hi,the wing is the culprit?

[leo]

my tango doesn't bite my hand, but it bite anythin he can find...
he don't really follow command anymore...command like come here...

he will open his beak big, pin, and make abit of sound when mu finger got near his face....

he stop practicing talking...

i notice it happen when he succesfully flied around the whole house...
his wing was clippen, now has grown back...and not yet trimmed...

is it better if i trim it...coz i like it when he flies to me...hehe....thanks alot guys

[skibum]

yep clip. from advice of others to me many times (and thanks to them all) clipping makes them dependent on you. total freedom of flying means not as much need of you, and it coincides with a bit of bluffing as more familiar with surroundings - house is now Tango's territory!
Does Tango make a funny squeaking noise or growl? That's what Ziggy does so wants to be left alone so I don't push him - not all the time anyway..

[Lene]

That's right, Stu...

Clipping the wings takes them down a peg or two... The only bird I have clipped is my IRN... The others don't have 'attitudes' anymore BUT - if they get one, their wings get clipped.

[Donna]

That's right, Stu...

Clipping the wings takes them down a peg or two... The only bird I have clipped is my IRN... The others don't have 'attitudes' anymore BUT - if they get one, their wings get clipped.

Wing clipping should only be done for training purposes and safety reasons not because they have an attitude. All birds are going to have an attitude at some point in the day.

Donna

[Melika]

I think Lene is referring to how some get 'cocky' when flighted. They'll ignore you, brush you off, often bite more, and be altogether unmanagable. All the time. Not because they're hormonal, but simply because they can, and know they can just get away.

My 'tiel was like that, when flighted. But clipped, he would step-up and be a sweety again (couldn't touch him with my hands, but that never changed anyway).

Some birds never develop a problem, others do. Every bird is different.

Fortunately, Hane and Tsume are never bad when their wings grow out. But if they did develop issues, they wouldn't get that week or two of flight between clippings, that's for sure.

And I do think that qualifies as training purposes.

[leo]

hi...
ya, till now i havent have the chance to clip his wing..in any point, he is consedered okay, as he dont bite me, but his appitite in chewing is really great when he is out of the cage...
i mean like, i give him alot of chew toy, but he ignore it...but when outside, he just chew anything he find...
no biting comonad no longer work, he also cant be trained, as he always climb to my shoulder....and he don't do laing down anymore...its all happen since the morning he realise that he can fly high and far...

is it really because of the ability of flight ?

coz, im still hasitating to clip the wing, i pity him not to be able to fly...

any advises?
thanks

[Oliver and Justin]

clipping the wings really isnt that bad

and if you are afraid of him not flying

just clip them a little bit where he can fly but not realy well but it gets the job done :}


cause then he might know who the boss is while still able to fly

[skibum]

Really... clip the wings. They just take over as boss otherwise. And the worst thing is that they will fly away no matter how tame they are and how safe you believe them to be.

Speaking from experience here - my Max only had 2 flight feathers and buggered off when he got a fright.

believe me, they don't mind that much and the sooner you do it the better because Tango will hit the ground hard a few times when it is first done. The longer you leave it the longer it will take for Tango to learn and the more chance for injuries.

But believe me, you would not want to lose that bird!!!

[leo]

now, tango still can fly, but heavily...he can only fly in the horizontal way, i mean, he doesnt gain hight in the flight?

but there is no change in the behaviour, i mean i saw the change only afer this morning...its only a slight change.....very shight....

is the change supose to be gradual or instant ?

he is like hyper active, never be able to stay in one spot for a second...
he chew, jump and fly...thats make training reall hard...

any advise?

[celtic_aura]

When we went to get Gigi, his wings weren't clipped and he was a little menace. The rescuer clipped his wings and he was like a different bird. If your fella can still fly, you may need to clip them a bit more.

[skibum]

Might take a couple of days for Tango to realise that things aren't the way they used to be. The other thing is, when they can't fly properly they become dependent on you for a lot of transport around the house - so make the most of it, cart Tango around with you at every opportunity. This will help strengthen the bond.
Donna said in her post that it should only be done for training (taming) purposes and safety reasons, not for sorting out attitude problems. I agree - what you are trying to do is make your bird a little more dependent on you and that will build that bond. At some point an IRN is always going to have an attitude - that is part of their charm!
Plus, I can never emphasise the safety factor enough.
Aside from the possibility of them flying away, I recall someone some time ago pointed out that IRN's are very good flyers with the downside to this being that they could fly into a window at full noise (fright or something) and break their neck.
None of us would want that.
Some have them flying - and I know I used to (still, even) prefer that way - but you increase the various risks accordingly.