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Hi everyone,

I got an IRN about 4 days ago. The breeder told me that he/she is ~3 months old, and that I still need to hand-feed him/her.

That sounded a bit awkward to me, do they at age of 3 months need to be hand-fed? That didn't bother me, it'll create "bond" anyway. What's making me nervous is the fact that he/she sleeps a lot. Almost only awake to to have food, by screaming for it, or trying to eat seeds (unsuccessfully).

This IRN:
1. Always stays on the top perch, within a big cage. Never on bottom.
2. Comes to me when I open up the cage top (for food, of course)
3. Have no problem in staying outside on any of his/her stands
4. A little, just a little, playful
5. Has NO discharges (nose/eyes). Beak looks healthy, not sharp yet though.
5. Feathers not the cleanest or shiniest
6. Droppings look normal
7. Not much of noise, only when seems to be hungry.
8. Been with me for only 5 days now

PS: I had previously cockatiels and budgies.

Can you please advise if this is normal? Do babies nap quite a lot and are not that active? Can you give me a brief on their development cycle from activity point of view?

Thanks!
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At that age your bird should be fully weaned, and needs fresh fruit and vegetables, not just seed.
Yes, they are very quiet when you first have them, as they need time to adjust and settle in.
No, generally they Don't like going to the base of the cage, preferring to sit and perch high up.
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That was my impression, the age given to me is incorrect since it still cries for food and still want to be hand-fed.

Question: When it's weaned, how will I know? Will it just stop crying for food or refuse to be hand-fed?
How long does it usually take to be fully settled-in?

Given this and above assumptions, I should not be too worried that he/she's sick, correct? It's normal behaviour?

Thanks in advance for ANY feedback that you may have from your experience.

Sam
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I'm not a breeder, so I don't know the drill, look at the eyes, because if they are black, you definitely have a baby, if orange, you can assume eight Weeks or more, in which case start offering solid foods, it took Sanjay a few Weeks to relax, but he didn't like hands near him (he was aviary hatched and parent reared), you need Lots of patience with these little folk, another thing which points to illness is this, a sick bird doesn't perch on one leg, it sits huddled and on Both legs, because a sick bird cannot balance, due to weakness. Please check these boards, you may find answers from more experienced people.
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Thank you very much. Indeed he has full black eyes, still!
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A quick update here.

1. He still sleeps a lot, never on ground, always on top perch. On two legs, never on one leg. Tucking his head back.
2. When in cage, and wakes up, he keeps calling (me I assume), going up and down, looking at me, bobbing his head. When I open the cage top, he comes up and jump right into my finger. I put him on his stand outside, still he keeps calling and sometimes flies to me. All good. I try to feed him formula, he doesn't accept anymore, but I push him to because he doesn't eat on his own.
3. When in cage, doing what I mentioned in preceding point, he tries to eat, few seeds but that's it.
4. Once I feed him, he's back to sleep again. He's even half-sleeping while feeding him. He's only active when he's awake in cage, begging to get out, then sleep again after I feed him outside.
5. Droppings seem to be okay, normal ones. No discharges from eyes or nose.

Anyone can me any pointers or feedback? What do you think I should do? =((

Thanks
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You could ask a vet to give him a health check. I say this because you say he is reluctant to eat and you have to pressure him. If he eats seeds, try giving him fresh seeds from chilli peppers etc. I think it's quite endearing that he wants to be in close contact with you.
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Thanks. I took him to the vet yesterday. The doctor said he's definitely sick

Long story, short, I got home with the medicines to give him twice a day. The doctor was positive that his chances are great to survive, and that I should see improvement by today. If not, to bring it back to incubate it.

Today, I woke up, still he's sleeping quite a lot. Yesterday late afternoon, I thought he was getting better, as he was somehow a little bit more active. But this morning, he's sleeping still, ate few pallets, and then back to sleep tucking his head in his back. I continued on the medication, and on hand feeding. He just wakes up calling for food. Even though he resist it a little bit, but then back to sleep.

Doctor told me that I should see improvement today. Thus far, I didn't

Praying he gets better before the end of the day...
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BTW, the diagnoses is yeast infection.

Drugs given
Powder: ORNICURE to mix with water, and served instead of plain water
Two times a day: Mycostatin, 0.2 for each dose
One time a day: doesn't have label, it's the pain reliever, I believe, which is one drop
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Before I sleep, and because I'm too concerned, I had to find my parrot doctor on FB, and message him to get back to me with detailed explanation, which I'd like to share with you, and get back your own comments/feedback:

His response:
My dear friend, thank you for your message and for the feedback about your baby bird. To make the story short, as it is a bit late for a long chat, but I'll be happy to call you tomorrow. Your birdy suffers from acute multiple infection. because there was no time for diagnostics, as most probably the bird would not make it before we get the results. Like most of hand reared birds with weak immune system, he suffers from multiple infection (though we do not know the primary reason - food related, food poisoning, viral infection, and many others). The protocol for bird treatment is that if one uses antibiotics which kills apart from the "bad guys" also saprophytic (probiotic flora), it makes place for pathogenic fungi - mostly candida or aspergillus. For that reason alternatively to antibiotics anty-fungal treatment must be applied. Your parrot gets a broad spectrum antibiotic - doxycyline (broad spectrum including mycoplasma), nystatine - any-fungal antibiotic and as antyinflammatory - meloxicam (NSAID - reducing symptoms of an inflammation). I presume that intestinal flora will be replaced with the liquid food you are feeding , which should include also strains of probiotic bacteria. Please keep you baby warm (electric bulb, place the bottom of the cage on a heating pad or pillow but be careful and keep the electric cords away from you parrot beak.) Do not use AC and feed it few times a day 5-6 times with lesser amount of food but more often. Always use the antibiotic water solution as a food diulent!!! In case if you are not sure if it gets enough food or enough amount of recommended medicines, pleas bring it over and I will teach you how to feed it with a crop catheter directly to it's crop (stomach) as a force feeding. And stay in touch. Wishing you good luck and good night. Peter
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That explains a lot, and whoever sold him to you should be shot!, poor little mite.
I think it's unrealistic to expect such a quick recovery, the medications need time to work, and sleep is good for recovery.
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Day 3 passed with medications with no improvement :(

Sleeping all day long, only wakes up to eat (by me feeding him), and of course giving him the medicine.

Hoping for a better tomorrow.
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The most common illness in pet birds is caused by a yeast infection which develops in the crop, from a dirty environment, so it sounds to me he was already sick when you got him, and the breeder is responsible. Here in the UK there is currently an outbreak of Avian Influenza, which is affecting poultry, and could infect outdoor aviary birds.
Your vet suggests a probiotic, so have you considered natural live yogurt? Or it's liquid form, found in Actimel or Yoplait?, natural yogurt is quite effective against Candida (yeast) infections. I am bound to wonder if your vet is a parrot specialist, there aren't many Avian vets around, if he isn't, perhaps he can refer you to one. Antibiotics usually act very quickly, I'm surprised you haven't seen an improvement yet.
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I found some useful information on the internet, half a teaspoon of organic apple cider vinegar in his drinking water, and feed him pureed organic baby food in orange colours,
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Thanks Sanjays!!

So I just got back from the doctor. The doctor disagreed with me and said he's getting better, even though I don't see it? Said not losing weight, and I'm doing great with feeding him and the instructions given. He also gave me a new medicine for the liver (liver tonic called Versele-Laga Avi-Chol) as a supplement.

I tried to go to some other avian that HE recommended in case I want to get a second opinion. Unfortunately, by the time I reached, they were closed. And where I live, Dubai, is a weekend on Friday/Saturday followed by Christmas holiday.. So good luck to me and my little one.

Anyway, maybe I'm going crazy here a little bit, but I do see him a little better now. Seems like the car ride refreshed him somehow?!

Will share more info tomorrow. Thanks guys, I feel someone understands me here while I share all this, 'cuz my family thinks I'm nuts taking a bird to a doctor :)
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You're his flock,he hasn't got anyone else to nurse him better, I'm glad he appears better, he has had such a rotten start, I hope you contacted his breeder to let them know, because his siblings are probably infected too. ^#(^
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Hello everyone,

Today his condition is stable, I wouldn't say he got worse, nor better. Just stable, maybe 1% better. If he stays like this until tomorrow morning, with no significant improvement, I might take him to some avian hospital I found about lately. The issue is that they have ridiculous emergency fees since it's Christmas time...

Another prayer for him tonight that he wakes up better.
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Stable is Good, and I will light a candle and ask St Francis of Assisi to help him. Hopefully you will receive better treatment from a qualified Avian vet.
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My story today

I took my little baby to some other vet. I had to drive so far to get there. They took it as emergency case, and I had to pay double. Anyway, I don't mind as long as he gets better, and actually diagnosed right!

The vet immediately said it's obvious that he has respiratory infection. Meaning my previous vet diagnoses were completely rubbish. And I've been treating him for 5 days for irrelevant illness. My little bird seems to be hanging there, and still fighting for his life.

The vet gave him 4 injections: Lincospectin, Catosal, Meloxicam and B-Complex.

Said he should get better by tomorrow, but NO promises (for survival). And that I should bring him in again tomorrow for another set of injections (basically for 3 days). No medicine to be given at home, just feeding him, and keeping him warn, at ~27c temperature.

I hope the diagnoses was correct this time, enough time wasted already. I really don't want to believe that is is monopoly in this city to "guess" what might be wrong, and "try". Just for the sake of "making quick cash" out of those poor little angels.

I feel proud of my little baby, because he's still hanging in there and fighting for his life. I'm gonna be there until he makes it and becomes as healthy as any other birds out there!

Hope you're having a good weekend, and Merry Christmas!
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Y'know, when we bred dogs we actually sued a vet for negligence because his misdiagnosis cost the lives of Five puppies out of a litter of seven.
I am pleased you now have a correct diagnosis, no wonder he wasn't responding to treatment!, just keep him hydrated and fed, it was worth going the extra distance. Your seasonal greetings are much reciprocated. :-bd
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Today's update:

Woke up with a hope that my little buddy would be/look better, but that wasn't the case. At least, not from the first look. I was getting ready, to take him to his follow up with the vet today, my cat (yes, I have a cat, called Brownie), came close to his cage as he would always would. Usually, the little guy wouldn't do anything, but this morning, he did open his peak as in defence mode. Reminded me of my old Cockatiel, when he used to hiss. The exception with this new little guy is that he didn't hiss.

Meaning, he's actually more alert and instinctual, rather than the way he used to be very weak, and non-fighting. Also, I've noticed that he act more cautious when my hand, and when I hold him. Something he wasn't doing. Yes, I was happy that he is acting like what a new bird would act when you try to catch him! Also, last night, he was trying to get back to his cage, by climbing on my curtains, unsuccessfully,y but at least trying like a bird would!

Still, he's sleeping all day long, but again, feels more alert than before to sounds and movement.

At the vet, today, the vet asked me "do you see improvement?". I said, no not really. He said, "he's alive, that's a great improvement". I was like, "but he has been for the past two weeks also, but the same way". He tested him physically, and he did seem more defensive, and active. At least more than he's always been since I got him. Then the vet cleaned his nose nares. They were filled with some "stuff". He gave him his injections for the day, same like yesterday. He gave me other 3 injections, but to be given orally for the course of the next 3 days, and scheduled a follow up on Thursday.

I asked him "why don't you do x-ray or blood test". He said, his symptoms are obvious, and he's responding. Doing those would be waste of money. Which kind of relieved me.

The hospital is equipped with state of art laboratory, according to some news agency, the top in the middle-east. So, if needed, I guess the vet would have done the tests. Plus, he seems experienced. He's from Russia, just FYI.

I fed him, keeping him warm. He's always on the highest preach. Let's see how tomorrow he's going to be like.

Other than that, hope you are having a lovely christmas day with your beloved ones.

Issam
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Hi Issam, My husband died 4 years ago, and my daughter does not live nearby, so there is just myself and Sanjay, which is absolutely fine, my daughter (Shoshana) phones me every day.
I am very pleased that your little one is responding to external stimuli now, that Is a great improvement, your pussycat had better watch out!.
Many years ago we took a stray cat in, a big ginger tom, and could see he was unwell, so I took him to the vet, who diagnosed bladder infection, he took the cat into another room and catheterised him, gave me anti biotics and told me to put the cat on a diet of white meat and fish, I had an appointment for two Weeks later, anyway, when I took "Macduff" back, the vet decided to catheterise him again, this time he was away a long time, when he reappeared, he was wearing gauntlets, his hair was untidy and he was covered in cat pee, he said "I think the cat is feeling Much better!", and he was, as evidenced by the struggle he'd put up at the hands of the vet.
I'm confident your little chickster is definitely getting better.
Bette \:D/
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sanjays mummi wrote:Hi Issam, My husband died 4 years ago, and my daughter does not live nearby, so there is just myself and Sanjay, which is absolutely fine, my daughter (Shoshana) phones me every day.
I am very pleased that your little one is responding to external stimuli now, that Is a great improvement, your pussycat had better watch out!.
Many years ago we took a stray cat in, a big ginger tom, and could see he was unwell, so I took him to the vet, who diagnosed bladder infection, he took the cat into another room and catheterised him, gave me anti biotics and told me to put the cat on a diet of white meat and fish, I had an appointment for two Weeks later, anyway, when I took "Macduff" back, the vet decided to catheterise him again, this time he was away a long time, when he reappeared, he was wearing gauntlets, his hair was untidy and he was covered in cat pee, he said "I think the cat is feeling Much better!", and he was, as evidenced by the struggle he'd put up at the hands of the vet.
I'm confident your little chickster is definitely getting better.
Bette \:D/
Bette, thank you for sharing this. I'm so sorry for your loss. It's most difficult in such times of year. But life goes on...

Yes, I'm confident that my little one will get better, and be stronger than ever. The way he's fighting and clinging to life astonishes me!!

If you are even in Dubai, you have family. Just ping me :)

Issam
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Thank you,, that is a very sweet invitation, (*)
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I read your thread right now and couldn't look away without saying how sorry I feel for your little bird struggling so much at so young age and how great he/she is at the same time for fighting for his life so strongly! I wish him all the best and fastest possible recovery and long healthy life :)
and for those who sold and raised bird that poorly I can wish all the worst and may the same return to them along with loss of money for that as it seems that's only thing they care about! I can't believe how people can neglect those poor little things and sell them under aged and clearly sick. I was wondering too as I didn't see that part did you offer your birdie millet bars? They are tiny seeds and all birds like them, if he doesn't eat much seeds he might still like those and get used to them. At least he would eat slightly more maybe. How is his appetite now then? Any improvements in that? Do you offer him fresh veggies and fruits too? And to add about top perch that's where they feel safest to sleep at so that's a completely normal thing :) mine doesn't even sleep on perch, he's hanging on cage bars at highest part of the cage...he has a perch on the other side of cage at around same height but he stills prefers to sleep in his little corner so that's a nice spot for them. I'm hoping there's been progress since your last post too :)
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Lady-E, thanks for your post and support here.

My little bud is still sick. His condition is stable, but no improvement. Sleeping all day, lack of appetite and not active. I sill hand-feed him, because he won't eat anything, event millets...

Tomorrow I have an appointment with an avian specialist who has a good reputation. I'm having all my hopes on her to give me a correct diagnoses, and heal the little guy for good.

Will keep you posted, but till then, keep us in your thoughts!

Issam
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I am looking forward to an update from the avian specialist, and I am really hoping for good news.
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hoping you get better news today and your birdie starts to get better asap! maybe it won't be a bad idea to take a blood test of your bird still and maybe check droppings for parasites if that's possible to check for them? If no given medication show improvement yet then diagnose isn't very precise...just my thoughts on that. I never had an experience with sick bird and I had so many of them ever since I was a child
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Thanks guys. His condition is still the same, sick, but stable. Tomorrow I got the appointment with the avian specialist, hoping everything will be sorted and he'll start having a life...

Your prayers and positive thoughts <3
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Another candle, consider it done.
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Friends, thank you for your posts and support, means a lot to me, really!


I just got back from the avian specialist. First, the hospital required Avian Influenza H5 test, before he gets into the facility, which he passed and the result came negative. Now the vet, she's a very nice vet, and sounded/looked like she knows what she's doing. She went through previous vets diagnoses, which she said "was correct", but afraid of the dosage given. Anyway, she was reluctant to x-ray or blood test due to my poor boy condition, but I told her he's a warrior and will handle it. It was first time I see a bird getting anaesthetized, poor baby.


She's done blood test and x-ray, and below are the findings.


Current weight: 114g (slightly below what's healthy)



1) Air Sacculitis, which could be:
- Bacterial
- Fungal of type Aspergillosis <= most probably, 90% confident
And that’s causing
> Respiratory tract infection
> Pneumonia


Now to be firm, or 100% sure, it'll need endoscopy, which she refused to do due to his condition + size. Mostly due to his condition.



2) Anemia of chronic disease

3) Liver seems to be “bigger”, but couldn’t do any more test due to current condition + due to the fact that it’s quite common with such illness and medications being given.

X-Ray

According to her, and the images she showed (two sides), the white areas represent the “air flow” areas, and she explained that most of which should be white is black, and the while is very little, meaning that a small pocket is only used for his air breathing.

Blood Test

Test Reading Low High
Hb 44.0 0.0 0.0 *High
PVC 0.14 0.45 0.54 *Low
RBC 1.20 0.00 0.00 *High
WBC 19.40 8.00 14.00 *High


She told me this is good news and bad news: bad news the 0.14 PVC, and good nes the high 19.40 WBC (white blood cells), as in, he's truly fighting the disease and can handle other threats which he may encounter. Of course it has to go to it's normal level once he recovers.


Plus, those findings, from her experience, confirms that he does NOT has any of the deadly viruses/diseases.


Injections given on spot:

Fluids IV/SC/PO Bolus
Marbofloxacin– Marbocyl
Multivitamin

Medicine to give:

1. Enrofloxacin - Baytril: Orally, for 10 days
2. Zolcal D: Orally, for 5 days
3. Terbinafine – Lamisil


She was happy to see him pull through all the test, and said I was right that he's strong little bird. And was glad of the way I'm feeding and taking care of him.

According to her, I should see improvement in 3 days, and a recovery within 10. She explained that the medicines given are of strong effect, exact needed dosage and has no harm on the bird. I asked her what if he doesn't getting better? She said, "nothing else can be done", so there was no follow up appointment, except if I want to do other tests like DNA and special diseases, etc, but NOT for his current condition.

Again, will go through this with my little buddy, hoping he gets better.

Issam
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Aspergillosis is quite serious, and he may be affected by it on and off throughout his life.
I really do think his breeder should be informed, if it was me I would have had the RSPCA out, and had them check the breeders premises.
Well, let us hope and pray you Do see an improvement in five days, if not Before then
Sanjay had a narrow squeak today, he chewed through an electric flex down to the wire!, it didn't affect him at all, but I got quite a tingle from it, now I have had to order a new one, sigh, he just Loves to chew things. ^#(^
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When Billie had her prolapse at the beginning of the year she had to have Baytril and Zolcal orally l had to hold her head steady and squirt it down the back of her throat, one she liked the other she hated so l gave the horrible one first and the second she smacked her lips and would have had a second doze. But she had a follow up examination 10 days after the operation, and the vet said she was healing nicely and did not need any more medicine. The vet said l should have put sugar water on the prolapse as it reduced the swelling, a worth while tip to keep in mind for the future.

I hope your little buddy gets better soon.
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I'm really glad you got some more precised information about your bird and that new vet did x ray and blood test and ofc that your bird handled it so well :) I hope new medicines will help him get through that and that he becomes a healthy and happy bird in new year :)
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Here is a great read about my baby's case. There are some stories as well: https://mickaboo.org/confluence/down...sis_031311.pdf

According to that paper, this kind of infection/disease will take a very long time to be healed. Asper is very serious disease...

This is very depressing...
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Yes it is, indeed, But it can be controlled, and you never know, he might even grow out of it.
The breeder must have had him in close contact with infected birds. My old gardener rescues exotic birds, and Always quarantines them before integrating them with healthy ones. Even when I worked in Kennel management, isolation and quarantine was necessary for newcomers.
Let us Not give up hope just yet, there is still a very good chance of recovery
I clicked on your link and got "page not found" unfortunately.
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Oops, sorry for that. This one should be working now: https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... 031311.pdf

And yes, never give up. I'm already attached to that little guy.
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It really doesn't do to read the negative experiences of others, just as we humans react differently to various maladies, so do animals. I read a lot of disheartening experiences, no wonder you are depressed!. Your little friend has youth on his/her side, and is a different species to the ones on that site, IRN's are tough little cookies, which is why they adapt and colonise when they escape from captivity.
You are doing everything you can, and they sense that, :-bd
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Hello everyone, and happy new year.

My little guy is suffering. I don't see him getting better, but the opposite. He has very obvious breathing difficulty. A small amount of activity, such as climbing the cage up or down would get him out of breath. And now, I hear "clicking" in his breath, and his whole body is moving up an down...

:'(
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So, he isn't huddled on a perch, he is actually climbing?, to me, that's a good sign, and it isn't Five days yet, the fact he is still alive, still in there fighting is good. He is obviously taking those deep breaths to get his air sacs working well, hang on in there, keep giving him his medication it's all you can do, and keep his cage as immaculate as possible.
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Is climbing up/down only to reach perch/food or he does it for other reasons? Is he climbing more or less now compared to 7 days ago for example? If he's climbing more that's a good sign, he's fighting it and getting more active. His breathing is let's say normal for his condition since he really does have issues with breathing organs. Also I'd say he's exhausted from all the medications he received, imagine a human who receives a lot of medications in very short time, that would make them feel bad too surely. So lets hope his condition gets better after the given time for medication to take action as told. Maybe previous medications did some damage and it's just showing up now...who knows but only you can do now is hope his condition gets better now that you finally have accurate diagnose
P.S. I was just reading article you posted out of curiosity and now I'm worried about my bird too! So I found this in article: "Heavy breathing after flight or exercise." This has always been strange to me from my IRN but it was like that since he arrived and he has no other symptoms? Should I be worried about this? He makes one circle around rooms and he's already heavy breathing with his beak open :| I found it odd but thought it's a normal thing for indoor birds who don't fly very often. My budgies have other symptoms too but for very long time and they are in different homes btw. They are all extremely active and eating well everything so is there a reason to be alarmed really?
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sanjays mummi wrote:So, he isn't huddled on a perch, he is actually climbing?, to me, that's a good sign, and it isn't Five days yet, the fact he is still alive, still in there fighting is good. He is obviously taking those deep breaths to get his air sacs working well, hang on in there, keep giving him his medication it's all you can do, and keep his cage as immaculate as possible.
Not the way you'd imagine. I suddenly see him either on the lower preach or over the water/food containers. But thanks for being extra positive, I need that!
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Lady-E wrote:Is climbing up/down only to reach perch/food or he does it for other reasons? Is he climbing more or less now compared to 7 days ago for example? If he's climbing more that's a good sign, he's fighting it and getting more active. His breathing is let's say normal for his condition since he really does have issues with breathing organs. Also I'd say he's exhausted from all the medications he received, imagine a human who receives a lot of medications in very short time, that would make them feel bad too surely. So lets hope his condition gets better after the given time for medication to take action as told. Maybe previous medications did some damage and it's just showing up now...who knows but only you can do now is hope his condition gets better now that you finally have accurate diagnose
P.S. I was just reading article you posted out of curiosity and now I'm worried about my bird too! So I found this in article: "Heavy breathing after flight or exercise." This has always been strange to me from my IRN but it was like that since he arrived and he has no other symptoms? Should I be worried about this? He makes one circle around rooms and he's already heavy breathing with his beak open :| I found it odd but thought it's a normal thing for indoor birds who don't fly very often. My budgies have other symptoms too but for very long time and they are in different homes btw. They are all extremely active and eating well everything so is there a reason to be alarmed really?
Slightly more. But not like you'd imagine. Only once every 2 hours or so, changing place kind of thing...

As for your IRN, please be worried, yes. An x-ray would show if there is anything wrong with his sacs. Sometimes they may have symptom that last years, until a disease kicks in badly. If you can, please bring him to a vet, you don't want to be late or sorry, ever.

Issam
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Well that might still be inprovement,he wants to move more is a good sign eventhough he gets tired of it due to his problems he's still being more active meaning he might be getting slightly better at least. What I don't like is that he's going for lower perches,it's not goid when they go to sleep on the floor so I hope that's not the case.
About mine now I'll be monitoring him a bit more now since he doesn't have any other signs but I did find that strange as no parrot I had before had such heavy breathing after short flight. But like I said my 2 budgies (specially hen) have this issue plus aslo when resting sometimes too. Anyway, keep tracking your birdie's condition and activity, any improvement in activity is a good sign I guess. He's really a though little guy and fighting really hard for his life. Maybe he got that from the place where he was kept in, here is a very common to see breeders keeping birds in basements so it can easily be that there was mold in there what made birds sick. I saw pics where mine was and I can be very sure it was a basement. Btw I saw treatmen for it has a medication (anti inflamatory one) I recently got for my shoulder(not sure how it's related to it but...) lol
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Thank you, my friends.

This morning, an hour ago, my little friend passed away in my hands. I woke up to him spreading his wings on the preach, and hanging with his beak to with one of its toys. I immediately knew it was his last few minutes. I took him outside, kept him in my hand, and he started to take his breath slower and slower, and closing his eyes until he passed away.

RIP little Sam, I know you're in a better place now, and all the pain you went through has came to an end.

Issam
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I am very sad to hear this, but you know you did everything you could for him, and you were there for him at the end. What a sad start to the new year. I hope this experience does not put you off keeping birds in the future. ^#(^
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I am truly sorry to read this terrible news today :( it really made my tears come of when I read this, can't imagine how it was for you then...I was really hoping he gets well but guess his little heart couldn't take it any more :( it's such a sad ending but at least like you said he's in a better place now and no longer suffering. I really hope people who breed and sell birds like that will get punished and hope you can take some legal actions against them...Not only that they are scamming people for money but they are also raising those poor little creatures to suffer and live life like that. I must say I can feel your pain since I had a budgie once that died with us from terrible pain and who knows what else since I was a child back then and bought another species to keep them in one cage not knowing that shouldn't be done...and poor budgie got attacked and lost his beak in battle...he lived like that for few more days and when he was about to die since he wasn't in cage all that time but free in the apartment, he walked to me in the kitchen(didn't fly anymore) than went to my grandparents in the other room and then went back to living room and died...that was such a sad thing to see, it was like he just came to say goodbye to us :( but I had parrots ever since and that experience only made me want to have them more so I can say now I have a feathery companions for past 20 years or so and I hope that experience doesn't keep you away from having another one. It was a really bad luck with your little guy but at least you helped him have happier last days than he would ever have where he was
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I agree, the breeder should be made aware, and made to face the consequences, clearly he/she has no genuine affection for the birds in his/her care. What breeders should remember, is that they are the custodians of whatever animal they breed.
All newcomers should be kept isolated for a month, before integration, and, it is extremely important to have a clean healthy environment. I don't know if bird breeders require a licence as UK dog and cat breeders do, and are subject to regular inspection of their premises, but there Must be something of this nature in place, which can be acted upon.
Your distress, the out of pocket expenses incurred, are surely subject to legal compensation, and a proper breeder Should carry insurance to cover eventualities such as this.
It won't bring your little darling back, but it could put a stop to him/her breeding purely for profit, and prevent someone else going through such an ordeal, imagine a childs reaction?.
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I don't know how the law is about that situation in Dubai but here let's say everyone can breed and sell birds as they like, no one is checking that even they should...I got my IRN from neighbor country also without any checking or registering anywhere but at least this breeder seems responsible. She spoke to us for a while before we bought a bird, gave us some advises about cage selection too etc. All the birds from them are hand reared and sold fully weaned (if I used this term correctly lol) and our little guy traveled alone for 6-7h to us (we just saw him on photos) and got here safe and sound. My thoughts are those breeders couldn't possibly not know that bird is sick if they breed birds for longer time they are able to notice when a bird is sick right?Meaning they sold a sick bird on purpose and didn't let buyer know about it, they definitely deserve a punishment for that, And even more to stop that situation because who knows how many birds they have and if this one is sick there's a good chance many others are as they're all probably sharing same space.It's though to care about that at this moment I know, but should definitely do something about it, to spare other people of going through same agony, to spare other birds for being born in poor conditions and ofc to try and get your money back as a lot has been spent on this probably...I don't know how many did a bird cost there and those other expenses but it's a lot I'm sure and no one should go through all that :roll: And like you said imagine if it was a child who got a bird...how much disappointment and sadness would there be!
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I did file a complain to the authorities. At least the place will get inspected, that's for sure.

This is not my first bird, I owner budgies and coackatiels before. I weaned and tamed them. I've seen two of them pass away. This is the 3rd. I'm a long-life bird lover, and that won't stop :)
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