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allair
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Need help to Id Chicks

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Cock Grey green
Hen possible Dark Green but have some black nails as well

Chicks ? Possible Mauve Violet and Cobalt Viiolet ? Kindly help
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
willowisp71
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

Post by willowisp71 »

Where would the mauve violet and cobalt violet be coming from? Are the cock and hen split to something else maybe?

When I entered a grey green cock and (possibly) dark green hen into GenCalc this is what it said:

1.0 grey(sf) green
x 0.1 D green
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green
25.0% 1.0 green
25.0% 1.0 D grey(sf) green
25.0% 1.0 D green
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green
25.0% 0.1 green
25.0% 0.1 D grey(sf) green
25.0% 0.1 D green

Not sure if I've entered correctly for a dark green hen though.....could have got that part wrong...???
Regards Deb
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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I am trying to upload the foto but it seems there is a problem , I can forward photo to your e-mail
Think it have someting to do with the dark factor and that that factor carry blue but I am not sure at all
Get message saying the board attachment quata has been reached
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
Ring0Neck
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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allair wrote:Cock Grey green
Hen possible Dark Green but have some black nails as well

Chicks ? Possible Mauve Violet and Cobalt Viiolet ? Kindly help

Firstly you can not get Violet out of this pair.
& You can not get Mauves from this pair.
Secondly, why do you say possible? because the way they look? or because of it's parents were dark green or cobalts/mauves?

Looking at a bird does not guarantee you'll identify the bird correctly .

Even if your hen is dark green if any of the 2 birds are not split for blue, you can not get any blue based birds ie (blue cobalts mauve)
So the most probable outcome is grey greens & greens that look like their parents when fully fledged.
If you birds look a lot different then you can PM me and send me the pics and i will upload them 4 you.

Ben
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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I am a new user and it seems that is the reason the site dont alow me yet to upload photo`s or photobucket links but If you give me your e-mail ben i will snd you a photo of the chick and then you can help me if possible
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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the chicks look totally difrent and I am not able to found photo`s / images close to this on the net or on site , Once I am able to get a imange on site I am sure that you will be also totally suprised how the youngsters look . Have not really seen images like this yet so kindly help .
I have read the forum on the DEEP color in blue , just maybe it have someting to do about it . I really dont know that is the reason i said possible because once you are able to see the image , I think you will also think that it may be a possibility
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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the description of chicks
1 Cobalt SF type of blue with green on head and green with cobalt on wings .Green is lighter than Normal green
2 The second chick is even more intresting , Wings are a mauve color and very dark with olive type of green in it and the back are a very dark blue
Tail , very dark blue with olive green in it and the head close to the beak is olive green turning into a mauve dark blue / grey
So the mutation calculator did not do its work here at all , the chicks seems a lot more blue based that green and ther is no greys , dark green , grey or similar colors here at all . I dont have the history of the parents , bought them about 3 years ago and the hen seems to be a bit darker than Normal green
The cock look the same as other grey greens i have.
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
Ring0Neck
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

Post by Ring0Neck »

Allair's Pics:

Parents:
Image

Offspring:

Image


Pics are not clear so i can only guess the one on the left looks like a TurquoiseBlue
The other is not clear what it is, rather dark, Intresting...
You need clearer pics of the dark one and if you can an open wing and rump area.

One of the parents is split turquoise
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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Ben thank you for your help , the one on the left is much lighter in color than normal terqoise blue ,I went to look again and notice that you may be right that there is some terqoise in one of the parents , seems the hen have some blue in the wings , rain today so once i get a change i will take better pictures of the dark one , His flight feathers are very close to black and his color is much darker than Grey , red uper and lower beak and black nails , the lighter chick have white nails , Know the color are going to change a lot but i must say it was n bit of a suprise
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

Post by allair »

Can this be then a double factor grey . single factor green terquiose ?
that is if the Hen carry dark factor as well ?
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
willowisp71
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

Post by willowisp71 »

Allair,

Wow! I see what you mean about the chicks being totally different to parents!! Very interesting!

A double factor grey bird will be visually dark grey......grey is dominant. No bird, male or female, can be split to grey either. It either IS grey, or it isn't.

Either way, your 2 parent birds make for an interesting genetic calculation! I must go and have a play, to see what comes up. And I agree, some better pictures would be fabulous :)
Regards Deb
willowisp71
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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Ring0neck - is it possible the darker coloured chick is a grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue?......making the cock split to turquoise and hen split to blue (or vice versa)...and the other chick a turquoise(parblue)Blue?

Hard to tell based on the pic quality, I know, and whether a flash was used on the chicks or not.......
Regards Deb
Ring0Neck
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

Post by Ring0Neck »

Turq. Grey is the obvious one, however it is not clear, and it looks dark blueish, a clearer pic would confirm if it is perhaps something else.
Let's see a clearer pic then we should be able to tell.
allair
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Re: Need help to Id Chicks

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No flash was used , i will send new pictures soon . thanks for now
2015
Df turquoise violet / pied * violet AMD pied
YHYT olive * DF Indigo
Dark blue pied * Violet opaline
Violet blue AMD pied * Cobalt df Violet
DF Indigo * Blue opaline
Green pied * green opaline /pied
whwt Cobalt * blue whwt
Olive Pied * violet blue pied
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