Help me to identify the mutation of my IRN

[Tenshi]

Hi Everyone, i got 3 baby IRN from a friend 2 greengrey and 1 green grey lime, or at least that was what my friend said. I gave the green ones to friends as gifts and kept the lime with me.

Could anyone please help me to identify its mutation, and if you can give me a clue on its gender.

the parents were a Grey male (suposed to be split Dark or lime) and lutino female.

he/she is 6 months old now.








what do you think? male? female? what is his mutation?
i want to buy him a partner but i need help with his gender mutation to choose the right one, i dont want to have only green birds

[dog_glenn123]

Hi there i will go with grey pallid which makes it a hen,

It could be grey pallidino which would make it a male but it looks to dark for that!

Which means the father of the bird is greygreen split pallid(lacewing)

Thanks Glenn

[Blueberrybird]

They sure are cute!

[kamerynn]

Dog_glenn, did you mean grey-green pallid?

[dog_glenn123]

Dog_glenn, did you mean grey-green pallid?

What i wrote i meant, If i put grey blue pallid it would look mainly grey and not green.
So grey with out the blue gene is grey pallid.

1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 0.1 green /blue
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue (This would be the baby)
25.0% 0.1 pallid /blue


I did make one mistake i said the father was greygreen split pallid when i meant to say
greyblue split pallid.

Thanks Glenn

[kamerynn]

Ah, gotcha. A terminology issue, clearly.

I understand the logic, but ye gods it's confusing - calling a greyish-green coloured bird grey, and calling a grey-coloured bird a greyblue. Makes my head spin.

[Tenshi]

I understand the logic, but ye gods it's confusing -

I have the same issue with Genetics, i need to look for a basic table to start understanding this.

I was used to Cockatiel genetics which is far simplier than this one.

Thanks Glenn for your help, so you said my baby is a female grey(sf) pallid /blue,

A friend of mine is selling this two babies


i think the blue one is a male and the lutino is a female, do you think i should buy the blue for my irn? what color should be the babies?
he is asking about 250 us dollars for each one, it is kind of expensive but its hard to get IRN here at Mexico.

Thank you Glenn again, if you have a site with an easy way to learn genetics i will be thankful to get it.

[dog_glenn123]

Yep IRN's are expensive in the US.

Here are the results if everything we have discussed is coorect and the blue is a male.

1.0 blue
x 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue pallid
25.0% 1.0 green /blue pallid
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue
25.0% 0.1 blue
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 0.1 green /blue

My guess is that if it is a male its most likley split ino so this would be the new results.

1.0 blue /ino
x 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue
% from all 1.0
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue pallidIno
12.5% 1.0 blue pallidIno
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) pallidIno /blue
12.5% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid
12.5% 1.0 blue /pallid
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue pallid
12.5% 1.0 green /blue pallid
% from all 0.1
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) blue ino
12.5% 0.1 blue ino
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) blue
12.5% 0.1 blue
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
12.5% 0.1 green /blue
Now regarding the chart i wrote something up that basic colours and how they work i will try and find it.

Thanks Glenn

[dog_glenn123]

Found it.

Depending on where you are from depends on what the mutation will be called.

I will put what they are called and then what they are known as and how the mutation works.
Green = Green (Wild type) and is also dominent and if you enter nothing in gencalc you will pair green to green. Mixed with either Grey will be a grey green or with violet will be violet green with the ino gene you get lutino's.

Grey = Grey and is a dominent so if it where to breed then depending on what its paired with some of the babies will show the grey gene. (Genetically = Grey Blue)

Violet = Violet and is a dominent so if it where to breed then depending on what its paired with some of the babies will show the Violet gene. (Genetically = Violet Blue)

Blue = Blue Chromosone and again depending on what other mutation the bird has depends on what colours you get, with ino you get albino.

Dark factor = Cobalt and the effect this has in a basic way is to darken the bird on the blue series mutation.

Pastel = Turquiose(Parblue) and can be attached to most coloured birds, on its own on a green bird makes the bird appear turquiose on the body, in blue series the are odd colours on the wings and front body(its hard to explain).

Ino = Ino now this mutation depending on which colour is mixed with has varying effects, it will mask both the violet and grey gene so the bird will look white and it makes a green bird look yellow, its caused by the removal/ lack of melinen. sex linked

Lacewing = Pallid and again depending the the colour mixed with has different effects because it is linked to ino gene it will lighten a bird and give it light coloured flight feather and head.
Sex linked.

Cinnimon = Cinnimon and if on the blue bird makes it look light blue and on grey it looks silver, Violet look lavender.it has a lightening effect on the bird. Sex Linked.

Opaline = Opaline and the effect it has is to darken the head of the bird in the same colour the bird is. Sex Linked.

They are the basics and should give you enough of an idea to start with.

The calculator.
1.0 = Male
0.1 = Female
split means the bird has the mutation gene but doesnt display it and can pass it to its young as visual on them. Males can be split to any none dominent gene.
Females can be split blue, turquiose or any recessive gene (not sex linked)
Dominent means if the bird has it you will see it.
At the bottom of the calculator you can choose to only show visual results.

[madas]

Hi there i will go with grey pallid which makes it a hen,

It could be grey pallidino which would make it a male but it looks to dark for that!

Which means the father of the bird is greygreen split pallid(lacewing)

Thanks Glenn

Hi glenn,

the bird in question does truly show a green color so the term grey pallid is wrong.

[madas]

Dog_glenn, did you mean grey-green pallid?

What i wrote i meant, If i put grey blue pallid it would look mainly grey and not green.
So grey with out the blue gene is grey pallid.

1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 0.1 green /blue
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue (This would be the baby)
25.0% 0.1 pallid /blue


I did make one mistake i said the father was greygreen split pallid when i meant to say
greyblue split pallid.

Thanks Glenn

Hi glenn,

a bird which is carrying the grey factor and is split for blue is never called grey. the correct term is greygreen /blue. Perhaps this mistake is caused by a little inaccuracy of the gencalc.
So the bird in question could be a pallid greygreen /blue. But there are some other opportunities. As said in the first post the father could carry the dark factor. So the bird in question could be a pallid dark greygreen /blue or pallid darkgreen /blue too. And i don't think it's a pallid ino. As you said the bird is too dark.

greetings.

[Tenshi]

Hi Guys,

I lost my password and was not able to log in here. I know it is about 6 months I started the post.

I DNA tested my bird and now I am sure it is a Female. So we all agree she is a Greengrey Pallid / blue right?

Well i just got a Grey blue male which is 2 - 3 years old (the guy in the store didnt know his age exactly, but he said it had ringed in the store a year ago), I put him in the Females cage, but she started to chase/attack him so i decided to take the female out, yesterday I put her back with the male, i hope they get along well this time.

I have a pic from the Parents of my Female, i will try to post it later, and also i will take some pics of the new male.

Thanks guys for all your help, Ill keep you posted

[mikeb]

always introduce the female into the males cage without a nest box females are usually the most aggressive of the sexes also it's best to have them in separate cages side by side at first and wait till you see them starting to bond to one another they will start trying to get and sleep as close as possible to each other then put the male into the breeding cage first and let him become familiar with the cage then introduce the female

[Recio]

Hi everybody,

To me the hen seems to be a Grey Cinnamon-Pallid/Blue. The cinnamon features are easily identified on wing feathers.

The father: he can not be split dark because dark is a dominant mutation. He is split cinnamon and pallid, both mutations in the same cromosome (type 1 linkage). He is Blue Grey / Cin-Pallid. He could be SF or DF grey (I will consider SF grey for calculations).

The mother seems to be just SL-ino

Here is the expected offspring of this pair :

Males
0.75% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon ino bl+/bl;G+/G;Xcin/Xino;
0.75% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon ino bl+/bl;Xcin/Xino;
24.25% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue ino bl+/bl;G+/G;X/Xino;
24.25% 1.0 green /blue ino bl+/bl;X/Xino;
0.75% 1.0 grey(sf) green pallidIno /blue bl+/bl;G+/G;Xinopd/Xino;
0.75% 1.0 green pallidIno /blue bl+/bl;Xinopd/Xino;
24.25% 1.0 grey(sf) green pallidIno /blue cinnamon bl+/bl;G+/G;Xinopd-cin/Xino;
24.25% 1.0 green pallidIno /blue cinnamon bl+/bl;Xinopd-cin/Xino;

Females:
0.75% 0.1 grey(sf) green pallid /blue bl+/bl;G+/G;Xinopd/Y;
0.75% 0.1 green pallid /blue bl+/bl;Xinopd/Y;
0.75% 0.1 grey(sf) green cinnamon /blue bl+/bl;G+/G;Xcin/Y;
0.75% 0.1 green cinnamon /blue bl+/bl;Xcin/Y;
24.25% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue bl+/bl;G+/G;
24.25% 0.1 green /blue bl+/bl;
24.25% 0.1 grey(sf) green pallid cinnamon /blue bl+/bl;G+/G;Xinopd-cin/Y;
24.25% 0.1 green pallid cinnamon /blue bl+/bl;Xinopd-cin/Y;

Regards

Recio

[Tenshi]

I think I will never understand completely this, it is not as easy as Cockatiels genetics lol.

I have been trying to post pics but the forum does not allow me to do it, it says "Your post looks too spamy for a new user, please remove off-site URLs. "

Do you know what can I do about this??

The male i got for my female (Guera) is Grey blue (if i am not mistaken) he's name is Bruno, He is the same color as the dad of my Guera is.

BTW I think my Guera is in love with me, each time i got closer to her, she start opening her heads feathers, then their eyes become almost completely white, then she bends her body, open a little bit her wings and start doing a little noise, i dont know how to explain it in english (sorry i am mexican and my english is bad).

I put her back with the male yesterday and looks they are getting along better, or at least she is no chansing him any more.

Thanks all for your help

[Recio]

Hola Tenshi,

If you pair your female to a Grey Blue cock, assuming he is SF Grey and that he is not split for other mutations, you will get :

1.0 grey(sf) blue x 0.1 grey(sf) pallid cinnamon /blue G+/G;bl/bl;
G+/G;cin/Y;bl+/bl;inopd/Y;

Males:
12.5% 1.0 grey(df) blue /pallid-cinnamon G/G;bl/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid-cinnamon G+/G;bl/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;
12.5% 1.0 blue /pallid-cinnamon bl/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;
12.5% 1.0 grey(df) green /blue pallid-cinnamon G/G;bl+/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue pallid-cinnamon G+/G;bl+/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;
12.5% 1.0 green /blue pallid-cinnamon bl+/bl;X/Xinopd-cin;

Females:
12.5% 0.1 grey(df) blue G/G;bl/bl;
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue G+/G;bl/bl;
12.5% 0.1 blue bl/bl;
12.5% 0.1 grey(df) green /blue G/G;bl+/bl;
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue G+/G;bl+/bl;
12.5% 0.1 green /blue bl+/bl;

All this means that you will get visuals green, grey-green, grey and blue...

... pero solo si el macho gris la enamora mejor que tu.

Un saludo

Recio

[Tenshi]

Thanks Recio,

I had already checked the gencalc and realized I will get 50% green and some grey and some blue, I am wasting the Pallid but I could not get any better option, I was looking for a Lutino or Albino male, but it is hard to find Ringnecks in Mexico, anyway I will be still looking for a better male for my Guera.

I hope Bruno can show to Guera that he is much better than me LOL and get babies from them.

Does anyone knows if theres any way to post pics here? do I need to meet a number of post in order to be able to add pics??

[Tenshi]

Hi all,

I just got a new pair of IRN.

Female is Albino, and male is "Blue Pallid" ??? ( not sure of his mutation)

I am trying to get the best combination with my birds, I see i need at least 10 posts to be able to post pics, so i hope i can post them soon.