IRN MUTATION TERMS & CALCULATOR

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HI ~

I have a book coming and I've bounced through many sites and this forum, and still can't find a page defining terms. Is there something available? ie. Lacewing, Pallid, Ino, Split -

What link are you using for the Genetics Calculator?

And I may as well ask -
A Blue Lacewing Cock with a Silver Hen will produce what offspring?

THANKS IN ADVANCE! Much Love- Jackie
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Hi Jackie below are your results.

1.0 blue pallid
x 0.1 grey(sf) blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 blue /pallid cinnamon
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue pallid
50.0% 0.1 blue pallid

google gencalc for calculator or on madas replies he has his own called silverlite..

Depending on where you are from depends on what the mutation will be called.

I will put what they are called and then what they are known as and how the mutation works.
Green = Green (Wild type) and is also dominent and if you enter nothing in gencalc you will pair green to green. Mixed with either Grey will be a grey green or with violet will be violet green with the ino gene you get lutino's.

Grey = Grey and is a dominent so if it where to breed then depending on what its paired with some of the babies will show the grey gene. (Genetically = Grey Blue)

Violet = Violet and is a dominent so if it where to breed then depending on what its paired with some of the babies will show the Violet gene. (Genetically = Violet Blue)

Blue = Blue Chromosone and again depending on what other mutation the bird has depends on what colours you get, with ino you get albino.

Dark factor = Cobalt and the effect this has in a basic way is to darken the bird on the blue series mutation.

Pastel = Turquiose(Parblue) and can be attached to most coloured birds, on its own on a green bird makes the bird appear turquiose on the body, in blue series the are odd colours on the wings and front body(its hard to explain).

Ino = Ino now this mutation depending on which colour is mixed with has varying effects, it will mask both the violet and grey gene so the bird will look white and it makes a green bird look yellow, its caused by the removal/ lack of melinen. sex linked

Lacewing = Pallid and again depending the the colour mixed with has different effects because it is linked to ino gene it will lighten a bird and give it light coloured flight feather and head.
Sex linked.

Cinnimon = Cinnimon and if on the blue bird makes it look light blue and on grey it looks silver, Violet look lavender.it has a lightening effect on the bird. Sex Linked.

Opaline = Opaline and the effect it has is to darken the head of the bird in the same colour the bird is. Sex Linked.

They are the basics and should give you enough of an idea to start with.

The calculator.
1.0 = Male
0.1 = Female
split means the bird has the mutation gene but doesnt display it and can pass it to its young as visual on them. Males can be split to any none dominent gene.
Females can be split blue, turquiose or any recessive gene (not sex linked)
Dominent means if the bird has it you will see it.
At the bottom of the calculator you can choose to only show visual results.

You olive will be grey green in the calculator a true olive is a green bird that has the dark factor gene. To enter this in the calculator click on the right handside grey only and you will see that when you choose calculate it will give grey green.

Ta Glenn


And i will put below the basic terms for basic mutations.
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Dear Glenn,
Thanks so much for the wealth of information.
You have so many facets of this breed engrained in you!
I will be reading your response several times over.

I am quite fascinated by these birds and adore their personalities.

I need more coffee... and I shall return... Thnaks again Glenn, Jackie
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additional info:

The parents to the Blue Lacewing male are both Blue Lacewing.

The parents to the Silver Female are: father GreyGreen, mother Silver.
The silver is one of four in the clutch - blue, greygreen, yellow and herself (silver).

Does this affect the outcome?

Is this the calculator you use:
http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PsitIR

Thanks! Jackie
ps- I am still reading & re-reading your info Glenn
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Hi Jackie,

It may effect the outcome as your bird could be either a single factor or double fatcor grey bird.

The father of your hen must as well as being grey green also carried the blue, ino and cinnimon gene based on the results of the nest.
% wise there is more chance the bird is single factor.
Here is the outcome for you,
1.0 blue pallid
x 0.1 grey(df) blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
100.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid cinnamon
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue pallid
As you can see you will never get blue babies if she is double factor.

Ta Glenn.

PS thanks for the thoughts and yes there is never enough coffee.
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LUCY & RICKY (I couldn't leave them out) - thanks for your patience ~
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YOU ARE SUCH A GEM GLENN!!! Thank You!
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I thought Id just add this question here.
IS IT TYPICALLY TO HAVE SPLOTCHES of COLOR ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE TAIL?
IS THERE A TERM FOR IT, DOES IT AFFECT THE MUTATION TERM?
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Do they appear in the same spot on the same feathers after every mult?

Ta Glenn
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HI GLENN!
This is only day 10 with them,
so I haven't known IRN's very long.
It's a wonderful world thus far.
Could you tell me what it'd mean either way?

Many Thanks-
Jackie
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It could mean alot of things really,

What is the diet you have him on and what was he on before.
Sorry if you have already said.

It may just be part of his genetic make up, it could be a dificiancy in diet,
After you have him on a steady diet and he goes through a mult wait and see if they appear again.

Ta Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
Over the last 10 days they've had cockatiel mix, apple (no seeds), watermelon, broccoli, pasta, scrambled eggs (plain), carrots, green grapes, graham crackers, peanuts in the shell, coconut, bread, cheerios and browned ground ostrich. And, to be honest, he snuck in a few sips of my Diet Cream Soda (poured decaf). They eat the apple and grapes the best. I don't know what they ate before me. Any thoughts? I am a bit worried now as I hadn't even considered this being a problem or sign of illness.

I'll be sure post after a molt too.

Many Thanks!
Jackie
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Im not a vet but it doesnt look like it will hurt him!
It just might have been a lack of something, you have him on a good diet so dont worry to much.

Mine seem to love corn on the cob they go nuts over it, problem is it stinks really bad once it hits the ground and get wet at all.
They love pair as well (its only something i intoduces recently) kiwi fruit,
They will eat apples but they dont love it, grapes they eat but they put them in the water bowl and the water goes off.

Anyway wait and see for a while.

Ta Glenn
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Hi Glenn! You are super knowledgeable! I enjoyed this post! May I ask you advice too? :-bd
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