Emerald inheritance
Moderator: Mods
Re: Emerald inheritance
Hi Ben, Split pied or WHWT ?
Re: Emerald inheritance
Hi Peter,
Hen never bred anything other then green n grey green birds.
I doubt it is split CT; & pied we don't really have reccessive pieds in Oz.
I wish though
Hen never bred anything other then green n grey green birds.
I doubt it is split CT; & pied we don't really have reccessive pieds in Oz.
I wish though
Re: Emerald inheritance
Very light nails then, very interesting
-
- Posts: 339
- Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:39 am
- Location: Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Re: Emerald inheritance
Sorry to butt in, but with regards to the nails, I have noticed that with some of my older birds the nails seem to lighten marginally.
Re: Emerald inheritance
I find interesting the fact that Chris's Turquoise Emerald has light nails.
unless the pic was edited which would defeat the purpouse.
unless the pic was edited which would defeat the purpouse.
Re: Emerald inheritance
I all, I'm back and dropped a bird off at Peter yesterday. Now I read here that I was supposed to have a look at a bird. Is this the bird in question?prodigy wrote:
Re: Emerald inheritance
I have a mature Wildtype Green hen - yours does not look like mine- I just can't quite put my finger on it...Ring0Neck wrote:Pics taken with Cannon, last one with flash.
Eyes seem normal to me.
Peter you can download the pics and zoom in for closer look
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/grnha.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/grbk.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/grhflsh.jpg
Re: Emerald inheritance
That's the one Johan
Re: Emerald inheritance
Looking closly at the head of this emerald grey CT is telling me this:
Emerald is not a parblue mutation. why?
indigo & turquoise Ct birds have a yellowish head
This Emerald has a color throughout his body the same as the head color.
Thoughts?
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =156004239
Emerald is not a parblue mutation. why?
indigo & turquoise Ct birds have a yellowish head
This Emerald has a color throughout his body the same as the head color.
Thoughts?
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =156004239
Re: Emerald inheritance
Good point Willy.
Here's a bunch of young turq. Ct - does not specify the gender though.
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =148754618
unless all cockbirds we can see eveyone of them showing yellow in the head which will increase as they age.
Here's a bunch of young turq. Ct - does not specify the gender though.
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =148754618
unless all cockbirds we can see eveyone of them showing yellow in the head which will increase as they age.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Here is a young EmeraldBlue CHCT of Chris' which doiesn't have a body coloured head
Re: Emerald inheritance
Look at the nails on this DF Emerald (love that blue sheen on the bird as well)
Re: Emerald inheritance
yeah, that'd be right..get bitten enough here without adding another one to it!molossus wrote:Shady hi,
Dont put your finger on it..she may bite it if she isnt tame.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Very interesting that the df Emerald looks to have reduced psitticin and is bluer than a 'sf Emerald' or EmeraldBlue. The other Parblues are greener in df form than the ParblueBlues.
Re: Emerald inheritance
2 df turquoise hens :trabots wrote:Very interesting that the df Emerald looks to have reduced psitticin and is bluer than a 'sf Emerald' or EmeraldBlue. The other Parblues are greener in df form than the ParblueBlues.
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/dfturquoise.jpg
father of above hens in Sf SL Edged Turquoise df
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/edge/edge_dfTurq1.jpg
Re: Emerald inheritance
anyone else find it interesting that a Wildtype Green shows "emerald" coloured patches when put under the filters?
Last edited by sheyd on Sun May 05, 2013 4:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Emerald inheritance
That is normal.
Filters show a particular color into a different dimension (diff color) that can help us to identify different shades of blue/cobalt/violet and even that changes color at times due to amount of light - turquoise also can give certain parts looking like emerald.
You'll need to distinguish these differences and understand where they come from & conclude for yourself the result.
Hence filters are not 100% accurate but it can help if used wisely.
Cheers
Ben
Filters show a particular color into a different dimension (diff color) that can help us to identify different shades of blue/cobalt/violet and even that changes color at times due to amount of light - turquoise also can give certain parts looking like emerald.
You'll need to distinguish these differences and understand where they come from & conclude for yourself the result.
Hence filters are not 100% accurate but it can help if used wisely.
Cheers
Ben
Re: Emerald inheritance
yeah, no- wasn't thinking of anything special- just find it interesting is all
Re: Emerald inheritance
Hmmm, this pic of the same bird from the front, shows a deep green more so then blueprodigy wrote:Look at the nails on this DF Emerald (love that blue sheen on the bird as well)
Re: Emerald inheritance
Thought I was going mad after looking at the pics for 3 weeks, Ben also notice the very RED tail feather under the filter in the first Pic (not that we can see the whole tail) with its back to us. Also something I noticed on the Deeps.
Willy how much have you experimented with the deep greens and emerald if you don't mind me asking?
Willy how much have you experimented with the deep greens and emerald if you don't mind me asking?
Re: Emerald inheritance
I have bred a couple of Deep Blue 'Emeralds'. I have mentioned this before with no comment received, the Deep Blue Emerald' has a consistent colour like the 'Emerald'. The Violet Blue 'Emerald' on the other hand leaves the flights and tail basically violet in colour with the top of the bird only affected by the 'Emerald'. I understand the Dark Blue 'Emerald' is like the Deep Blue in this regard. Anyone have a pic?
Re: Emerald inheritance
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =172255562trabots wrote: I understand the Dark Blue 'Emerald' is like the Deep Blue in this regard. Anyone have a pic?
Re: Emerald inheritance
I think it is a parblue muation- look at what it does to this mature Cleartail cock:
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =174401041
more pics of it on her FB page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Our-Ringn ... 6343586027
Willy- note this bird has the same 'wash' as your Emerald Violetblue hen or should that be VioletEmeraldBlue hen?!
http://www.ourringnecks.com/apps/photos ... =174401041
more pics of it on her FB page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Our-Ringn ... 6343586027
Willy- note this bird has the same 'wash' as your Emerald Violetblue hen or should that be VioletEmeraldBlue hen?!
Re: Emerald inheritance
What a ripper of a bird. I was wondering if it was an IndigoBlue Violet CHCT but couldn't see any other psitticin. Now that I know it all makes sense when I look at my Violet Blue 'Emerald'. I am still betting on Emerald being Parblue.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Thanks Willy, thanks Shey, very insightful
Re: Emerald inheritance
trabots wrote:... I am still betting on Emerald being Parblue.
When i look at this bird makes me think otherwise, nothing but unique splendour
Re: Emerald inheritance
You and me bothtrabots wrote:I am still betting on Emerald being Parblue.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Ben, I'm not even close at believing that bird's colour is real. (also, it looks like it's a Pied of some description)
Re: Emerald inheritance
I had a play with the image and got it to how I believe the bird would look in real life- and I believe the bird is an Emerald (Blue) Pied which is pretty...don't know why the image had to be doctored?
Re: Emerald inheritance
The above images from my earlier post were moved in Photobucket. All my images (not all mine) are available at www.photobucket.com, enter 'Tarbots images' in search. I don't know why it lists 43 images but when I log in there are 51???
Re: Emerald inheritance
don't know why the image had to be doctored?
Shey
This bird is on Chris's website called Clear Flight and bred by Babu - i doubt the bird in the pic would be edited
Re: Emerald inheritance
noticed that (Babu's name) when I saved the file- doesn't make the bird's colour in that pic, anymore real imo.Ring0Neck wrote:don't know why the image had to be doctored?
Shey
This bird is on Chris's website called Clear Flight and bred by Babu - i doubt the bird in the pic would be edited
Re: Emerald inheritance
Its not you can see that the color has been messed withsheyd wrote:Ben, I'm not even close at believing that bird's colour is real. (also, it looks like it's a Pied of some description)
Re: Emerald inheritance
The 1st pic is an 'infamous' 'patched Emerald' alongside an 'Emerald' Blue. It did not flouresce at fledging but was the same colour as an 'Emerald'Blue. The 2nd pic is the 2 'patched Emeralds' at 9mo. The 3rd pic is their 21mo old sibling, a Violet ParblueBlue of some kind. The parents are an 'Emerald' Blue x Deep Violet Blue. The parent cock had no Turquoise or Indigo in its parents. The parent hen had a Deep Violet TurquoiseBlue mother. The 2 younger birds are colouring like my df Turquoise birds do?? The older Violet Blue bird had a lot more patching at 1st moult but now looks like an light IndigoBlue Violet?? It had no patching at fledging however it was darker than a Violet Blue but not as dark as its Deep Violet Blue mother, I did not know what it was at the time. It also did not flouresce. The last pic is of the parents and the previous years' family with the 'patched' Violet Blue bird at the top along with its Deep Blue and Deep 'Emerald' Blue siblings. What the ???
So we have 3 unexpected young. Some on this forum thought that the father must have been Green series and split for Turquoise or Indigo. If the 'Emerald' father is a Green series then it could be so split, but then why were several Blues bred also? It couldn't be split for Parblue as well as being split for Blue.
I have put the 'patched' Violet Blue to a Blue for this year and plan to breed the other 2 together next year just to see what happens. What happens if a normal 'Emerald' Blue is bred? In any event I am totally baffled. What do you reckon?
So we have 3 unexpected young. Some on this forum thought that the father must have been Green series and split for Turquoise or Indigo. If the 'Emerald' father is a Green series then it could be so split, but then why were several Blues bred also? It couldn't be split for Parblue as well as being split for Blue.
I have put the 'patched' Violet Blue to a Blue for this year and plan to breed the other 2 together next year just to see what happens. What happens if a normal 'Emerald' Blue is bred? In any event I am totally baffled. What do you reckon?
Re: Emerald inheritance
The same patched Violet during the last moult 16mo. She is losing the psitticin!
Re: Emerald inheritance
I suppose, but then Deep and Dark, both structural mutations affect the whole bird in a consistent way, like in a normal Emerald. Certainly interesting. I have mentioned this before that Deep may be involved somehow. I would be in a rare group which has bred Deep to Emerald so far.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Willy,
It seems to be the only logical lead (with a logical dead end).
The parent hen had a Deep Violet TurquoiseBlue mother.
It seems to be the only logical lead (with a logical dead end).
Re: Emerald inheritance
I'm stumped. Will have to give this some thought, but the results are confusing. Just to clarify, there was zero chance of eggs being moved to foster and an accidental slip up occurred? I'm sure it's not the case, otherwise you wouldn't have raised this, but let's get it out of the way in any case.trabots wrote:I have put the 'patched' Violet Blue to a Blue for this year and plan to breed the other 2 together next year just to see what happens. What happens if a normal 'Emerald' Blue is bred? In any event I am totally baffled. What do you reckon?
Otherwise, maybe the emerald of the cock is masking the parblue and perhaps it is an emerald parblue, say emerald TurquoiseBlue? I'm just throwing ideas around. I figured that parblue would mostly mask emerald, not the other way around.
Re: Emerald inheritance
[quote="trabots"] The 3rd pic is their 21mo old sibling, a Violet ParblueBlue of some kind.
Interesting bird this bird 3 as the as it shows up as a violet but the Parblue is showing up as green under the filters and not parblue.
thoughts anyone ?
Interesting bird this bird 3 as the as it shows up as a violet but the Parblue is showing up as green under the filters and not parblue.
thoughts anyone ?
Re: Emerald inheritance
Johan, my initial thoughts exactly. I do foster out eggs however this was the second clutch for the season and these eggs stayed in the box without question. The previous year they had one clutch which stayed in the box being the 1st year for the hen, and a darker Violet with patches resulted.
Re: Emerald inheritance
I had a look and it didn't show up as wildtype Green on mine- but a light purple colour which indicates a lighter green phenotype than what we currently see in the Wildtype Green birds...Interesting bird this bird 3 as the as it shows up as a violet but the Parblue is showing up as green under the filters and not parblue.
thoughts anyone ?
Anyone know anything about Leaky Mutations/genes? That is the only thing I can come up with.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Does anybody have a picture of specifically an IndigoBlue misty or an IndigoBlue deep misty? Or any other indigo (my meaning here being either hetero-/homozygous indigo) combined with misty and possibly a structural mutation?
Re: Emerald inheritance
We don't have Misty in OZ, might be some around but i'm not aware of any, so maybe SA boys can help !?
--------------------
I had a long (10sec) look at this pic & it struck me
This photo might just be the indicator telling us...
Emerald is a Parblue mutation.. hmmm
--------------------
I had a long (10sec) look at this pic & it struck me
This photo might just be the indicator telling us...
Emerald is a Parblue mutation.. hmmm
Re: Emerald inheritance
ExactlyRing0Neck wrote: --------------------
I had a long (10sec) look at this pic & it struck me
This photo might just be the indicator telling us...
Emerald is a Parblue mutation.. hmmm
[/color]
Re: Emerald inheritance
Shey
Nothing is "Exactly"
Untill a mutation has been proven it is only assumed/believed.
I believe 80% as Emerald being a parblue mutation but i want 100% and just because some say.. won't cut it for me. ;)
I guess i like going against the trend - I'm a contrarian person ! should see the way i trade the stocks
As they say... question everything !
Nothing is "Exactly"
Untill a mutation has been proven it is only assumed/believed.
I believe 80% as Emerald being a parblue mutation but i want 100% and just because some say.. won't cut it for me. ;)
I guess i like going against the trend - I'm a contrarian person ! should see the way i trade the stocks
As they say... question everything !
Re: Emerald inheritance
no, not until 'proven' but let's look- Albino (Blue Ino), Lutino (Green Ino), Creamino (Turquoiseblue Ino) and......'Aqua-Ino' ("emeraldblue Ino") it is reasonable to think that it could be a parblue and especially so after seeing Raelene's Violetblue Cleartail Emerald cock.
Re: Emerald inheritance
Hey Ben, that's my job mate.I'm a contrarian person !
Re: Emerald inheritance
Indeed you are !trabots wrote:Hey Ben, that's my job mate.I'm a contrarian person !
We have more contrarians on this forum than we think .
Anyone else identifies himself as a contrarian? i can think of 1 more at least.