Outcome possible breeding

[ring4114]

I am looking at pairing Greengrey hen with a grey split pallid cock
Cock parents grey cock & skyblue lacewing hen
Hen Greengrey parents unknown
would like to know what to possible out come ?
is there a differents between greygreen & greengrey?
do I need to know hens parents ?

[Jay]

Grey/Pallid male x GreyGreen hen

=Grey(SF) Green/Blue Pallid males
=Grey(DF) Green/Blue Pallid males
=Green/Blue Pallid males
=Green/Blue males and hens
=Grey(SF) Green/Blue males and hens
=Grey(DF) Green/Blue males and hens
=Grey(SF) Green Pallid/Blue hens
=Grey(DF) Green Pallid/Blue hens
=Green Pallid/Blue hens

GreyGreen is the same as GreenGrey. Sequence of color does not matter. You need to know the hen's parents to determine if she is split to any relevant color-altering mutation such as Blue or Turquoise. For example, if the hen is split Blue, then you get 12 more possible offspring combinations.

[Chriskoi]

Hi i think the offspring must be this:

cocks:
grey(df) green /blue cinnamon
grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon
green /blue cinnamon
grey(df) green /blue pallid-cinnamon
grey(sf) green /blue pallid-cinnamon
green /blue pallid-cinnamon
grey(df) green /blue
grey(sf) green /blue
green /blue
grey(df) green /blue pallid
grey(sf) green /blue pallid
green /blue pallid

hens:
grey(df) green pallid /blue
grey(sf) green pallid /blue
green pallid /blue
grey(df) green cinnamon /blue
grey(sf) green cinnamon /blue
green cinnamon /blue
grey(df) green /blue
grey(sf) green /blue
green /blue
grey(df) green pallid cinnamon /blue
grey(sf) green pallid cinnamon /blue
green pallid cinnamon /blue

because the cock can't be a grey / pallid. He must be a grey(sf) blue /pallid-cinnamon, because the parent hen is skyblue pallid (skyblue = cinnamon blue).

Right Jay?

[Jay]

Chriskoi,

I sort of considered the possibility that the father is split Cinnamon as well but it is highly unlikely that the male's mother is a genuine Blue Cinnamon-Pallid for the following reasons:

1. Crossover rate for Cinnamon and Pallid is 3%. Meaning if you breed even a Blue/Cinnamon/Pallid male with a Blue hen, the probability of ever producing a Blue Cinnamon-Pallid (Skyblue Lacewing) is 0.75 from 100 offsprings.. or 1.5 birds from 200 offsprings. So you can breed this pair for 25 years, double-clutching every year with 4 babies/clutch,... you're lucky if you even get one.

2. This crossover specimen occurs so rare that I doubt the most casual breeder can even visually identify a genuine Blue Cinnamon-Pallid. I know I cannot as I don't know what to look for due to possible gene interaction.

3. In Australia and the United States, Blue Pallids are oftentimes referred to as Skyblue Lacewings because they are lighter than the regular Blue bird.

[ring4114]

Hi all
Thank you very much for all that imformation I have a lot learn
It will be interesting to see the out come
God bless you all have a nice day
Bruce