I have pics of both of them on the link below.Genetic Outcomes
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rick_s0910
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Genetic Outcomes
Well here I am, once again with my never ending questions. I have a feeling that my Albino Ringneck is a male instead of a fem. When I bought "it" she was sexed by checking the pelvic bones, which I know is a guess. Well I bought a Grey-green/blue "hen", an Albino "hen", and a Cinnamon Turquoise "cock" wich ended up laying 4 eggs lol. I put the Albino with the Cinn. Turq. and they feed each other. The Cinn Turq. laid eggs which I thought were because there is a male on the cage on top of them. I already took the eggs away, but she is always inside the nestbox! The Albino goes in every now and then (very rarely). I was planning on pairing the Albino with a Creamino cock, but should I even try it? If not what will I get if I breed a Creamino cock with a Blue hen? How about with a Cinnamon Turquoise Hen? I am confused I have pics of both of them on the link below.
I have pics of both of them on the link below.1. Like you said, pelvic bone sex testing is unreliable. nowadays DNA testing and surgical testing are the other options but relatively costly when you consider the price of the bird.
2. Your Albino is most likely male. Hens are usually hostile to each other especially during breeding season (which is NOW).
3. Why did you pull the Cinnamon Turquoise's eggs? They could be viable if the Albino is in fact a cockbird.
4. Pairing a Creaminoblue cock and Albino hen is a waste if you're into color breeding. They will only have Creaminoblue and Albino offsprings.
5. To clarify things, there are two kinds of visual Creaminos.
a. Creaminoblue - contains 1 Turquoise allele and 1 Blue allele combined to the Ino factor.
b. Creamino - contains 2 Turquoise alleles combined to the Ino factor.
The Creamino version is generally yellower in color compared to the Creaminoblues. When this bird is mated to an Albino, they will only have Creaminoblue offsprings.
6. Creaminoblue cock mated to a Blue hen is a much better combination. The offsprings are as follows:
50% Blue/Ino cocks
50% Turquoiseblue/Ino cocks
50% Albino hens
50% Creamino hens
So four possible colors from this mating alone.
However if the cockbird is a genuine Creamino, then the offsprings will only be Turquoiseblue/Ino cocks and Creaminoblue hens.
7. Creaminoblue cock mated to a Turquoiseblue Cinnamon hen would give you:
Cocks
25% Blue/Ino/Cinnamon
50% Turquoiseblue/Ino/Cinnamon
25% Turquoise/Ino/Cinnamon
Hens
25% Albino
50% Creaminoblues
25% Creamino
Hope that helps.
2. Your Albino is most likely male. Hens are usually hostile to each other especially during breeding season (which is NOW).
3. Why did you pull the Cinnamon Turquoise's eggs? They could be viable if the Albino is in fact a cockbird.
4. Pairing a Creaminoblue cock and Albino hen is a waste if you're into color breeding. They will only have Creaminoblue and Albino offsprings.
5. To clarify things, there are two kinds of visual Creaminos.
a. Creaminoblue - contains 1 Turquoise allele and 1 Blue allele combined to the Ino factor.
b. Creamino - contains 2 Turquoise alleles combined to the Ino factor.
The Creamino version is generally yellower in color compared to the Creaminoblues. When this bird is mated to an Albino, they will only have Creaminoblue offsprings.
6. Creaminoblue cock mated to a Blue hen is a much better combination. The offsprings are as follows:
50% Blue/Ino cocks
50% Turquoiseblue/Ino cocks
50% Albino hens
50% Creamino hens
So four possible colors from this mating alone.
However if the cockbird is a genuine Creamino, then the offsprings will only be Turquoiseblue/Ino cocks and Creaminoblue hens.
7. Creaminoblue cock mated to a Turquoiseblue Cinnamon hen would give you:
Cocks
25% Blue/Ino/Cinnamon
50% Turquoiseblue/Ino/Cinnamon
25% Turquoise/Ino/Cinnamon
Hens
25% Albino
50% Creaminoblues
25% Creamino
Hope that helps.
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rick_s0910
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Well, I pulled the eggs because they were clear. I left them with her for about 4 1/2 weeks. As for the Creamino, here's something interesting, his mom is Albino and his dad is Double Factor Creamino, but his mom's parents were both Normal Pallids. I didnt see them but I suppose the father was either split to ino or Pallid-ino. Does this make him split to pallid?? Here are 2 pics of him...
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It is genetically improbable for a Creamino to be split to Pallid. Let me explain...
IRNs can only carry either an Ino gene or a Pallid gene on any given chromosome. This is because both Ino and Pallid are alleles (gene mutations) of the Ino-locus and any living creature can only have a single mutation within a locus. A locus is a subdivision of a chromosome.
Since a Creamino cock already has two Ino genes (one on each of its X chromosomes), it can no longer carry the Pallid gene in split. There's just no space for it within the Ino-locus. For the same reason, your hen’s father cannot be a Pallid and be split Ino. It can however carry the Pallid allele in one X chromosome and the Ino allele on the other. That will make him a PallidIno. A PallidIno can have Lutino hen offsprings such as your hen.
PallidInos look very similar to Pallids, with a coloration somewhat midway between a Pallid and a Lutino. So visually, PallidInos can be mistakened for a Pallid. Only cocks can be PallidInos. Hens can only either be a Pallid or a Lutino.
Seems like you've acquired one of Terry Bazemore's Creaminos. I've helped her in identifying her Creamino with Double-Factored Turquoise. Terry is a topnotch breeder and great person to boot.
IRNs can only carry either an Ino gene or a Pallid gene on any given chromosome. This is because both Ino and Pallid are alleles (gene mutations) of the Ino-locus and any living creature can only have a single mutation within a locus. A locus is a subdivision of a chromosome.
Since a Creamino cock already has two Ino genes (one on each of its X chromosomes), it can no longer carry the Pallid gene in split. There's just no space for it within the Ino-locus. For the same reason, your hen’s father cannot be a Pallid and be split Ino. It can however carry the Pallid allele in one X chromosome and the Ino allele on the other. That will make him a PallidIno. A PallidIno can have Lutino hen offsprings such as your hen.
PallidInos look very similar to Pallids, with a coloration somewhat midway between a Pallid and a Lutino. So visually, PallidInos can be mistakened for a Pallid. Only cocks can be PallidInos. Hens can only either be a Pallid or a Lutino.
Seems like you've acquired one of Terry Bazemore's Creaminos. I've helped her in identifying her Creamino with Double-Factored Turquoise. Terry is a topnotch breeder and great person to boot.
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