Hi Baut;
To get visual violets you just need blue genes in both parents (since blue mutation is recessif) and one violet gen from one of the parents (since violet is dominant). There are some mutations which will "hide" the violet colour if expressed at the same time that blue or violet: lutino, grey, ... Other added mutations will produce an "altered" violet: cinnamon, pallid, ...
baut1957 wrote:If there is one goal here is to produce Violet mutations, hence acquiring the Violet Turquoise Palladino male and Turquoise Lacewing hen hoping to produce Violet (that's what the breeder explained to me).
A violet turquoise pallidino male is a very advanced combination of mutations, far more expensive that normal blue-violets, so it seems strange to me that someone sells a so precious bird just to get visual violets. Could you post a pic of your male? Anyway if the genetics are correct, from this pair you will get:
Males
6.25% blue pallidIno bl/bl;inopd/ino;
6.25% blue violet(sf) pallidIno V+/V;bl/bl;inopd/ino;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue pallidIno bltq/bl;inopd/ino;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallidIno V+/V;bltq/bl;inopd/ino;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) pallidIno bltq/bltq;inopd/ino;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallidIno V+/V;bltq/bltq;inopd/ino;
6.25% blue pallid bl/bl;inopd/inopd;
6.25% blue violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bl/bl;inopd/inopd;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid bltq/bl;inopd/inopd;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bltq/bl;inopd/inopd;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) pallid bltq/bltq;inopd/inopd;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bltq/bltq;inopd/inopd;
Females
6.25% blue ino bl/bl;ino/Y;
6.25% blue violet(sf) ino V+/V;bl/bl;ino/Y;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue ino bltq/bl;ino/Y;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) ino V+/V;bltq/bl;ino/Y;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) ino bltq/bltq;ino/Y;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) ino V+/V;bltq/bltq;ino/Y;
6.25% blue pallid bl/bl;inopd/Y;
6.25% blue violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bl/bl;inopd/Y;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid bltq/bl;inopd/Y;
12.5% turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bltq/bl;inopd/Y;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) pallid bltq/bltq;inopd/Y;
6.25% turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid V+/V;bltq/bltq;inopd/Y;
As you can see from this pair is not possible to get pure blue-violets (visual violets) since the genes of the ino-pallid alleles are always present.
What about a Violet Turquoise Palladino male paired with a Violet Green female?
Here are the results expected:
Males
6.25% green /turquoise(parblue) ino bl+/bltq;ino+/ino;
6.25% green violet(df) /turquoise(parblue) ino V/V;bl+/bltq;ino+/ino;
12.5% green violet(sf) /turquoise(parblue) ino V+/V;bl+/bltq;ino+/ino;
6.25% green /blue ino bl+/bl;ino+/ino;
6.25% green violet(df) /blue ino V/V;bl+/bl;ino+/ino;
12.5% green violet(sf) /blue ino V+/V;bl+/bl;ino+/ino;
6.25% green /turquoise(parblue) pallid bl+/bltq;ino+/inopd;
6.25% green violet(df) /turquoise(parblue) pallid V/V;bl+/bltq;ino+/inopd;
12.5% green violet(sf) /turquoise(parblue) pallid V+/V;bl+/bltq;ino+/inopd;
6.25% green /blue pallid bl+/bl;ino+/inopd;
6.25% green violet(df) /blue pallid V/V;bl+/bl;ino+/inopd;
12.5% green violet(sf) /blue pallid V+/V;bl+/bl;ino+/inopd;
Females
6.25% ino /turquoise(parblue) bl+/bltq;ino/Y;
6.25% violet(df) ino /turquoise(parblue) V/V;bl+/bltq;ino/Y;
12.5% violet(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue) V+/V;bl+/bltq;ino/Y;
6.25% ino /blue bl+/bl;ino/Y;
6.25% violet(df) ino /blue V/V;bl+/bl;ino/Y;
12.5% violet(sf) ino /blue V+/V;bl+/bl;ino/Y;
6.25% pallid /turquoise(parblue) bl+/bltq;inopd/Y;
6.25% violet(df) pallid /turquoise(parblue) V/V;bl+/bltq;inopd/Y;
12.5% violet(sf) pallid /turquoise(parblue) V+/V;bl+/bltq;inopd/Y;
6.25% pallid /blue bl+/bl;inopd/Y;
6.25% violet(df) pallid /blue V/V;bl+/bl;inopd/Y;
12.5% violet(sf) pallid /blue V+/V;bl+/bl;inopd/Y;
Again, as you can see, you will not get visual violets, since there are not blue genes carried by the female. If the violet green females was split blue then you will have an oportunity to get visual violets.
Fallow Turquoise male paired with Grey Green Cinn female will they produce the Golden Olive mutation? These are primarily the 2 mutations I'am interested with at the moment, Violet and Golden Olive.
What do you call golden olive mutation? As far as I know this mutation does not exist in IRN. Olive mutation is called to the expression of double dark factor in the green series. To get the olive mutation you need both parents carrying the dark factor.
Hope this is not to much for you.
Just really want to know the right and interesting way of enjoying this hobby of ours. I will try to get some pictures this weekend (weather permitting) - heard it will rain this weekend in California, and I will send them to you so you have a visual reference to what am talking.
I was always thinking that it never rains in California
Cheers