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Hi guys I was just wondering what I might get out of a fallow turquoise blue(df) (c) and a Turquoise blue pallid (lacewing) (h) she has a very dark yellow head does that mean that she is a (df)? Thanks for any help. not sure on the parents of these two.

Hi when you say fallow, do you mean dominent edge?

Thanks
Lushen

Actualy I am thinking that he is a normal turquoise I will post a pic after I get home tonight I aquired this pair from a woman who was diagnosed with cancer and could no longer take care of them they are in ok shape but could be better and she said he was fallow but the more I look at him he looks like a normal turquoise cock and a tuquoise pallid hen

Hi if the male is a normal turquoise blue then the results are

  1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 blue /pallid
50.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 blue
50.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)

Thanks
Lushen

Hi thanks for the response lushen I was wondering if you can tell me the (visual) difference from a
tuquoise( parablue )blue and a turquoise (parablue)? All cocks will be split to lacewing correct also does it matter that the hens head is more yellow than my other turquoise lacwngs head does this mean anything or? Thanks in advance

here are some pictures if it will help
Turquoise


Turquoise Lacewing(Pallid)

So any Ideas is he a cinnamon or just a normal I don't see a lot of browns in his flight feathers but any Ideas from the experts on these two?

Hi the cock looks to me to be turquoise blue
The hen looks to be a turquoise blue pallid, but seems to have lots of green on the wings and a very yellow head when compared to mine, but come think about it, the parents of my bird are also not so green and yellow, so will have to wait for others to comment

Thanks
Lushen

Yes I also have another tuqioise pallid lacewing that is not as dark colored as this one is I wonder also what the difference is?Anybody?

I think that their is no difference in the two, except for shade of colour, to explain simply, if you were to take for example 50 Lutino ringnecks and look at them together, you would find all different shades of yellow showing a pallette of yellow from light to dark, but genetically they are all lutinos, so its the same with your bird, its a turquoise blue pallid which is darker and more brighter than others

Wait for others to comment, I could be wrong

Thanks
Lushen

Yes I think you may be right lushen about that maybe it also has to do with how much green compaired to blue? Is in the tuquoise as far as what the parents were? I could be way off though just a beginer and have a lot to learn

Hi Molossus, I thought as much the cock looks to be an edge turq by the look of the flights, but was second guessing myself, so I decided not to comment on that, but thanks for confirmation, improves my knowledge and next time I shouldn't second guess myself.

So would you also say that the edge turq has visual cinnamon on it as well by looking at the brownish wash on the flights and the brownish tail shaft? Also looking at the birds feet, they look lightly coloured and not grey in the pic

Thanks
Lushen

Molossus thanks for the compliment also can you or even Lushen or anyone who can explain to me how to tell a edged bird from a normal? I am so new with mutations and edge is just one more fun thing to lean about lol Thanks in advance also with this pair would it give the same results as before if it is edged or?

1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 blue /pallid
50.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 blue
50.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)

Hi, as far as I understand it the noticeble differences are in the flight feathers, in a blue series bird the section of each flight feather closer to the shaft will be diluted or close to white and the outer edges of the feather will be the colour of the bird, same applies to a green series bird, where the centre of the feather will be dilute or close to yellow and the outer edges will be the colour of the bird.

With cinnamon added to it you will notice that the centre of each feather closest to the shaft will be dilute, the section of the feather which is facing away from the bird or lateral will be the colour of the bird and the section of feather facing towards the bird or medial has a brownish grey wash to it.

Read this post to get more info, I have a pic of my bird with the wings spread out so you can see
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=15415

Thanks
Lushen

Ok so I got some new info today on the Turquoise cock bird. His father was a fallow green split turquoise and his mother was a "double fallow" blue (whatever that means ) does this help? also can some one confirm that fallow means cinnamon right? so what would a double cinnamon look like? this is just the words that came from the breeder and I am trying to figure them out lol any help is appreciated also Lushen thanks for the post showing the edged birds it helped me figure that out at least one step at a time for me lol

Hi, a lot of breeders I know, when they speak about fallow, they actually are speaking about dominant edge. Double fallow, would actually refer to double factored dominant edge, so from the parents genetics here are the possible offspring

1.0 green edge_dilution(sf) /turquoise(parblue)
x 0.1 blue edge_dilution(df)
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 green edge_dilution(sf) /blue
25.0% 1.0 green edge_dilution(df) /blue
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue edge_dilution(df)
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 green edge_dilution(sf) /blue
25.0% 0.1 green edge_dilution(df) /blue
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue edge_dilution(df)

As you can see above your dominant edge blue turq could either be single or double factor, you will have to test mate him to see if he is single or double factor

Thanks
Lushen

I did not think so but thanks for clearing that up for me molossus i will remember that fallow means red eyed . And i did not think that mine had cinnamon but since i am still learnig lol i second guess myself always lol thanks for your help everyone

Alll fallows will have red eyes.
But not all birds that have red eyes are fallows.

Just the way that was said "fallow means red eyes" can lead other to believe that all birds with red eyes must be fallows, which is not true.

Am i correct Mollossus?