yes, I agree!Skyes_crew wrote:My reg blues actually turn purple lol. Maybe water isn't the most reliable test
What is the mutation where body is blue tail is violet?
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Sky,
Willy's reply I can't say that will apply to my case.
Probably true when water drips down the feathers, but when soaked (from rain) blue feathers look dirty grey, as if they played in the mud.
My pic you have seen the turquoiseblue that turned dirty grey next to the bird that turned green (siblings), at first it was a light green then after an hour or so once feathers soaked well, it turned darker green & stayed that way till it dried.
I've had seen hundreds of wet ringnecks after heavy rain and non other looked pretty.
Willy's reply I can't say that will apply to my case.
Probably true when water drips down the feathers, but when soaked (from rain) blue feathers look dirty grey, as if they played in the mud.
My pic you have seen the turquoiseblue that turned dirty grey next to the bird that turned green (siblings), at first it was a light green then after an hour or so once feathers soaked well, it turned darker green & stayed that way till it dried.
I've had seen hundreds of wet ringnecks after heavy rain and non other looked pretty.
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actually Ben, you have a point- it can't be argued that water isn't reliable between nest siblings of the same nature- ie your chicks and ranechild's- why is it that they show different charateristics?. Your chick showing that 'green' was the first I'd ever seen (bar rane's as I thought was flash)
What does it mean? that is the question.
What does it mean? that is the question.
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What does it mean? that is the question.
Yep, that's the Q ! & we're going to find out soon, i just wish it would rain... so i could have many samples.
At this point if i had to Guess i'd say these birds carry as Molossus said; Deep or perhaps the PR modifier
this is just the best explanation i have ATM.
More work needed but this is solvable reasonably quick IMO
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Re: What is the mutation where body is blue tail is violet?
I'm thinking willy was referring to violet blue in that instance, vs a dark or double factor bird. Either way, even though mine had the green effect in the sun, it was immediate and didn't escalate with time. My bird also has some unknown factors we're dealing with so probably not the best example to begin with. I jumped to the conclusion that all violets will turn green based on Ranechild's and my bird. I do still question the validity of the test on mikes bird though, because we are unsure if its the violet reacting or the emerald. At this point, I still believe its the violet that is reacting in his bird, not the emerald.Ring0Neck wrote:Sky,
Willy's reply I can't say that will apply to my case.
Probably true when water drips down the feathers, but when soaked (from rain) blue feathers look dirty grey, as if they played in the mud.
My pic you have seen the turquoiseblue that turned dirty grey next to the bird that turned green (siblings), at first it was a light green then after an hour or so once feathers soaked well, it turned darker green & stayed that way till it dried.
I've had seen hundreds of wet ringnecks after heavy rain and non other looked pretty.
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At this point, I still believe its the violet that is reacting in his bird, not the emerald.
Sky,
I was thinking any or specific parblue + violet ? dark? or combo?
I expect rain soon i'll take some pics then.
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Ill see if I can borrow one of my partners turq violets to experiment with. It'll have to be next week though.
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I got 15 min rain today, i got the same bird + his brother turned green again pic below.
I did not notice others turning green only dirty brown and some did not get wet
more rain is forcast...
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157AL.jpg (same pic only Auto correcting the lighting )
check out how the pied looked after the rain...
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106139.JPG
I did not notice others turning green only dirty brown and some did not get wet
more rain is forcast...
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157AL.jpg (same pic only Auto correcting the lighting )
check out how the pied looked after the rain...
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106139.JPG
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Lee, that kind of reminds me of the hen I had-
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=17758
that kind of marking (link above) according to Rob Web, (on the fb Australian mutations page)- as I found through someone else, who posted the same question- is some kind of stress barring that involves pigment-
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=17758
that kind of marking (link above) according to Rob Web, (on the fb Australian mutations page)- as I found through someone else, who posted the same question- is some kind of stress barring that involves pigment-
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And another, in this case the bird was a Violet Mauve
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Found another showing green when wet.
Could guess what it is if bored (Hint: young )
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/DSC_0174.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/DSC_0169.jpg
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I'll play sfViolet Blue?
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+ ...
1st Hint + another hint: the dry feathers ;)
3rd hint: which mutation does not show its pattern when young?, 4th: i know you know
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I can't make out much detail on my phone, but my thinking is that because you were surprised that two other non parblue members bird's showed green while wet, that yours is also Turquoise ???
Haha- you edited your post! I see it's Indigo, not Turquoise
Ps--- I think I know what one of my Violets is now that they're going through their molts
Haha- you edited your post! I see it's Indigo, not Turquoise
Ps--- I think I know what one of my Violets is now that they're going through their molts
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No Parblue; no molt
he is 5 or so weeks old
reread 4th hint
he is 5 or so weeks old
reread 4th hint
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Lol!!!
It's not edged is it...?
It's not edged is it...?
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Bingo Yahtzee Yeeeee
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Haha you threw me when you hadn't seen one shine green that wasn't a parblue!
Honestly, though I wouldn't have guessed edged unless for that last clue.. How bout a pic of the rest of them!?
Honestly, though I wouldn't have guessed edged unless for that last clue.. How bout a pic of the rest of them!?
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He is the only 1
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Ring0Neck wrote:He is the only 1
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My pic of za week
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/wng.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/wng.jpg
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Nice one Ben. What are we looking at? Dark, violet, deep?
For interest sake, could you photograph that one for me in full sunlight? Pretty please.
For interest sake, could you photograph that one for me in full sunlight? Pretty please.
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Johan,
I'd like to know what you were thinking when you said to take pics in the sun?
I think i know what you thinking and curious if i'm right and it has nothing to do with deep dark or violet, right?
(irrelevant for now to what the bird is or isn't)
I'd like to know what you were thinking when you said to take pics in the sun?
I think i know what you thinking and curious if i'm right and it has nothing to do with deep dark or violet, right?
(irrelevant for now to what the bird is or isn't)
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You want me to go stick my head in another potential hornets nest so soon ??? Take the pic so long while I 'compose my thoughts'. But yes, between you and Madas you have both been very successful in the past in reading my thoughts prior to me posting them on publicly. Of course, it could have helped that my thoughts were composed in a very neatly written email.Ring0Neck wrote:Johan,
I'd like to know what you were thinking when you said to take pics in the sun?
I think i know what you thinking and curious if i'm right and it has nothing to do with deep dark or violet, right?
(irrelevant for now to what the bird is or isn't)
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no hornets i promise or should i say: i promise no hornets
I can not reveal publicly what this bird is yet
partial pic you asked for since you've partially answered my Q
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My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.
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I think you may have an obsession with tail feathers...and stirring hornets nestsJohan S wrote:My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.
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Johan,
pic in full sun
Here it is:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_0233.jpg
pic in full sun
Here it is:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_0233.jpg
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ME ???? How dare you!Skyes_crew wrote:I think you may have an obsession with tail feathers...and stirring hornets nestsJohan S wrote:My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.
Ben, that bird reminds me a lot of the NT violet birds this side of the Indian Ocean. I'll see if I can arrange a pic for you. Is the bird out of violet, deep, dark, etc. parents? I would put it to a mauve first, or a cobalt as second choice. The nice thing about any structural mutation combined with cobalt is that it gives you a very good idea what you are dealing with, cobalt violet will have a distinct phenotype from DF dark, and if I understand correctly, from cobalt deep, i.e a dark violet, a mauve and a deeper dark blue phenotype. From there you can focus your initial allelic interaction investigation more accurately. And of course, a famous quote, "DF or nothing". But you know this stuff.Ring0Neck wrote:Johan,
pic in full sun
Here it is:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_0233.jpg
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Yes ! to all
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post here- pretty pleaseJohan S wrote: Ben, that bird reminds me a lot of the NT violet birds this side of the Indian Ocean. I'll see if I can arrange a pic for you.
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Sorry, we had an overcast day yesterday.
Soft shade
Semi-shade
This one does appear a shade or two darker than Ben's, though. I'll wait for full sun and try again, but one second investigation I suspect the result will remain the same.
Ben, is that bone white toe nail consistent in all the nails?
Soft shade
Semi-shade
This one does appear a shade or two darker than Ben's, though. I'll wait for full sun and try again, but one second investigation I suspect the result will remain the same.
Ben, is that bone white toe nail consistent in all the nails?
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Johan,
Nails are darker, pic was taken in full sunlight.
too early for mine to judge by nails, in a couple of months nail's true color will emerge.
I too think your young bird is lightly darker than mine.
Nails are darker, pic was taken in full sunlight.
too early for mine to judge by nails, in a couple of months nail's true color will emerge.
I too think your young bird is lightly darker than mine.
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Quiz:
What is the bird that is cut out ?
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/greenz.jpg
don't say green
What is the bird that is cut out ?
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/greenz.jpg
don't say green
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You Got it !!
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I think that mostly the colour change is a trick of the light- at certain angles it appears 'maroon' others- 'eggplant purple'- and then others just darker 'wet'
light from behind:
overhead:
Do you find it's the same with your Blues Melissa?
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Ben, the colours of light reflecting off of your chick is just amazing
light from behind:
overhead:
Do you find it's the same with your Blues Melissa?
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Ben, the colours of light reflecting off of your chick is just amazing
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Shey...yes. Also how soaked the feather is makes a difference. It's overcast today, but tomorrow when I turn on the misters for the birds ill take pics of what they look like at different angles.
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Sorry for the delay shey. We've been under horrible heavy rains for two days. I managed to get pics during a break in the weather.
Blue/cinnamon-pallid Male
Blue Hen
Turquoise Male
TurquoiseBlue Male
They only managed to drag their tails through the rain water lol. Ill try for body shots when the weather clears more. Not sure when that will be, its rainy season. I cant complain though. Good rain brings good breeding results here. The blues turn full on purple. It's a sight to see
Blue/cinnamon-pallid Male
Blue Hen
Turquoise Male
TurquoiseBlue Male
They only managed to drag their tails through the rain water lol. Ill try for body shots when the weather clears more. Not sure when that will be, its rainy season. I cant complain though. Good rain brings good breeding results here. The blues turn full on purple. It's a sight to see
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sounds like you're having our weather (which is typical for this time of year) I love the rain- storms, dark days makes it so much cooler when you're living in a such a hot tropical environment. Birds seem to enjoy it too.
Thanks for the pics- looks very much like my results
Thanks for the pics- looks very much like my results
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Our turquoise blue's tail goes that weird purple colour and our violet edged goes an electric turquoise colour.
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Claire...I think One of bens birds has that reaction too. My violet turns a deep turquoise color.
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Opps, I didn't look through the whole thread throughly. It was his violet edged, right?
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So i would like your thoughts on the following two birds.
The photo's do not do these bird's justice, the bodies appear "blue" and the tails "emerald"
The photo's do not do these bird's justice, the bodies appear "blue" and the tails "emerald"
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Peter,
Could you post an updated pic of your turq.blue opaline young?
My first thought: your birds are SF NT Deeps/ NT Violets.
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Looks that way to me too.Ring0Neck wrote:My first thought: your birds are SF NT Deeps/ NT Violets.
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If you suspect emerald always check under wing; you can find in this thread enough reference photos to compare.
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=18322
I am yet to see a proven emerald without the cream underwing.
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