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Welcome Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants!

Post by MissK » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:05 am

It took a long time, and I gave up and resumed several times, but now the search for the second Psittacula is over!

Please welcome my "new" bird, Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants! I'll get his photo up eventually.......

Sinbad is 16 years old, light blue, not tame. He's been living on mainly Sunflower, Safflower, and Peanuts for the last year. I had a good look at his diet and, frankly, it scared me! There was some recent trauma, in his prior home, involving a dog and a tiny cage. Before that he lived, we hear, 15 years with one owner who had him and a female from baby times, but never took them out and only gave them food and water. Somehow, sometime, the female was killed by a large dog in that home. From this history I tend to suspect Sinbad may be an experienced Daddy. All anecdotal evidence suggests he has never had a name.

I've had him for one week and am currently evaluating if he will really fit in here. I think he will make it, unless he turns out to have a great deal of trouble with Rocky. He already has my heart and his very own 5 foot HQ double flight cage. :D For those of you who already know the Budgies have been living in that cage, don't worry about them. They have a pair of new cages on order. Again, photos eventually.

Sinbad looks just a mess right now. He's thin and his feathers are dirty, dingy, dull, and tattered. However, the vet thinks he's really not that bad off and a new diet and fresh molt should do wonders.
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:12 pm

Is Sinbad a rescue? What prompted you to give him the name Sinbad Silly Pants?

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Post by MissK » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:28 pm

Sinbad is rehomed from someone who answered my ad looking for an older male Ringneck.

I was considering various names, and had been calling him Silly Pants when he was obviously silly. I sent Skye'sCrew a partial list of names I was considering and she put together Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants. Independently of that, I had been just calling him the exact same thing. Obviously, it was meant to be!
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:34 pm

Well congrats on the good name.

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Post by Donovan » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:48 pm

I would enjoy trying my hand at a troubled irn, mainly to know if I've been giving good advice

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Post by MissK » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:11 pm

Well, it might be nice if he were tame and ate what I wanted and said "Good morning, Gorgeous" every day, but this is the bird who met the criteria. Tame was not in the criteria; not freaking out panicked scared of humans WAS. :lol:
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Post by Little Buttercup » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:40 pm

Oh Missk, finally you found what you wanted! Wellcome Sinbad and hope you love your new mama.

You make me feel jealous about you having 2 lovely birds!

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Post by MissK » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:54 pm

Ash, he quite clearly does not love me. :cry: But he does love Rocky, like a long lost pal! So, we'll have a slow go at getting comfortable with each other. Today he showed me the great honour of looking in the cup within five minutes of me dropping a treat inside. He actually picked up this treat, but he was not impressed. He has mostly stopped yelling at me for existing in the same room, so long as I keep my back turned most of the time. It's not *exactly* what I was hoping for, me being so lazy and all, but he did meet criteria, so here he is. He's pretty silly, but I'm already quite fond of him, and feeling protective, too, wanting to fight everybody who might have not treated him so well in the past.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:06 pm

I'm so happy for you and Mr Sinbad Silly Pants. He will gradually learn to trust you just like Rocky did. And I'm surd they'll both be glad to have each other. Well done and congratulations MissK!

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Post by MissK » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:17 am

Thank you all. It's true I am really quite happy and the birds already are thrilled to have each other. :D
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Post by ellieelectrons » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:00 am

Will you have them cohabitate?

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Post by MissK » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:54 am

Well, that was not in the original plan, but certainly seems desirable. If they do very well over the next year I might modify the cages to merge. I think if I'm crafty I might be able to arrange them with a little connector housing, like they have between train cars. As constructed there is a gap between the cages of about 4 inches due to the frames and wheels. I can't get the cages closer than that without using a saw, which I know I won't do because I like to retain as many options as possible. If I join the cages by pulling the end pieces and fabricating a connector, I can always put it back if things go South. How wonderful it would be to have a pair of IRNs in a ten foot long cage in the living room!! I only wish I had had the extra multiples of cash to buy the double tall cages!
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:03 pm

Really MissK you should not say "If things go South" That is almost as bad as my saying

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Post by MissK » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:39 am

YAY, we got one in the "win" column. Sinbad likes baby carrots!
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Post by Donovan » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:57 am

I don't think you should wait a whole year, theyre not getting any younger :P

I haven't read everything here, but if they're ok with each other out of the cage then they'll be fine sharing. Sure they'll have the occasional scuffle but it'll be little stuff

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Post by MissK » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:18 am

Well, you know, Sinbad and I have certain work to do between us. He's already over the moon with Rocky, so I don't want to work any harder to compete for his affection than I have to. On top of that - MissK moves sooooooo slowly! :lol:
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Post by MissK » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:46 am

Today Sinbad initiated a conversation with me. No, he didn't open up his beak and say "Well, Good Morning MissK; what do you think of the price of beans in China?"

No, it was a different kind of conversation, but every bit as clear. I am including it here mostly to brag on him and also to give some example of the kind subtle thing we can look for and take encouragement from when we are trying to make some kind of contact with that wild IRN we've brought into the home.

How it happened:

After tinkering around with my houseplants, I left the room and returned with some cookies, and sat down to watch the Budgies enjoying their new cages. Glossing over why I might be eating cookies at noon, I noticed Sinbad looking at me with interest. Quite deliberately, he moved along his perch to the designated treat cup AND LOOKED INSIDE. Immediately I got up and broke off two tiny bits of cookie, dropped one in Sinbad's treat cup and handed the other to Rocky. I sat down again and Sinbad soon advanced on the treat cup. He inspected the cookie, bit didn't take it. I got up and quickly chopped baby carrots for both birds, dropped some in Sinbad's cup. He yelled at me from the nearby perch but did not retreat. After I sat down again he ate some carrot.

This is how I imagine our conversation went:

Me: Mmm, cookies are delicious, Budgies are so happy, Housework can wait..!
Sinbad: I've noticed you have better food than me.
Me: La, la, la, la, la...
Sinbad: Did you give me any? Aren't you supposed to give me some?
Me: Ohh! Sinbad, you want a cookie? I'll share! Here you go!
Sinbad: Thanks for the treat.......... Actually, not so sure I like cookies.
Me: I'll get you something better! Here you go.
Sinbad: HEY!! WhaddyadoingthereIdon'tthinkyoushouldbesoclosehow..come.....you......are............Hmmmmm.......
Me: Rocky, some for you, too!
Sinbad: Oh hey, you brought me those little carrots I like. They're OK.
Me: *sigh* Budgies are happy, Ringnecks have carrots, La, la, la, la, la.....
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Post by GeveZe » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:08 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: this conversation makes me smile all night long =)

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Post by Donovan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:23 am

Hah! That was an awesome read.
Reminded me of Diary of an Indian Ringneck I wrote a while back. Pretty much outlined me bell's day from his perspective. From me getting up in the morning, putting him outside then coming home later and playing fetch.

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Post by MissK » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:40 am

I had missed that!
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:47 am

Do you think our birds use telepathy? I often get a hunch as to what Billie wants and it turns out to be a winner!

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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:19 pm

MissK, have you seen Felix on Facebook?
https://www.facebook.com/FelixLaFollett

If you had unlimited hours in your day, you could soooo do something like Felix's site. You'd do a great job. :)

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Post by MissK » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:35 pm

Ellie, thanks for the vote of confidence! :D Felix will never see any competition from my guys, but I did peek in on his site and I thought it was great. Yellow Pellet Ratio Emergency, indeed. That's just hysterical!
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Post by MissK » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:55 am

I don't want to be premature or anything, make a big deal like no Ringneck has ever done this or anything, but...............

SINBAD ATE HIS VEGETABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AGAIN, why is there no happy dancing smilie face??

Sinbad ate his veggie chop, and Rocky ate his, too. Of course Sinbad only ate a little, and Rocky immediately recycled his into feeding the cage grate, but focus on positive-- They ate it! It went in the beak and disappeared! YAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!

Lynnie, however, is still focussed on biting the bowl that holds the veggie chop....... He's so "special". Oh,no, now he's off to chew on his plant some more. *sigh*.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:20 am

Way to go Sinbad! :)

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Post by Donovan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:44 am

so the lynnie i supposed to eat pretty much the same stuff as the irns?

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Post by MissK » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:31 pm

That's my hope, but try as I might I cannot figure out what he actually eats, other than the plant, the spray millet and some apple. He only gets the spray from my hand, so I know it's not that.
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Post by MissK » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:01 am

Sinbad is SO silly!

I'm pleased to report that Sinbad is getting accustomed to activities here at my house. He yells at me much less, though he still does yell. Today he yelled at me quite a lot as he got close to me and tried to brave up and take a sunflower seed from me. He was not quite brave enough today, but maybe tomorrow. :P

This occurred as I grabbed a jar of sunflower seeds (now eliminated from his food bowl) and started handing them to Rocky. Always a trooper, Rocky downed sunflower seeds one by one as Sinbad took note. I was standing in front of Rocky's cage and Sinbad came right to the corner where the two cages meet. And he yelled. I offered him a seed and he retreated. Eventually we got to the place where I held the seed above the treat dish (outside the cage) and Sinbad sneaked towards me on the long perch. OOOOH, he wanted that seed! But he was not quite brave enough.

Eventually all that yelling got to Rocky and he got out of the mood for treats and started regurgitating for the lock on the door closest to Sinbad. Sinbad started dancing for Rocky and I could tell my time was over. I sat down. Now Sinbad's raked through his treat cup a few times and Rocky's settled into eating pellets. There is now quiet in the living room, except for the sound of Lynnie rooting through his dish in a way that can only be called Just Like A Pig....
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Post by MissK » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:46 am

Coming out? ~

Today I offered Sinbad the first opportunity to leave his cage. All in all, he soundly declined. I did hold Rocky on the outside, feeding him treats, but it did not entice my little Silly Pants out.

For Rocky's part, he both tried to feed Sinbad through the roof and also tried to bite his toes on the wall. Sinbad put his beak towards Rocky's but I couldn't really tell what sort of activity he was after. I placed a perch on the outside of Sinbad's cage to match up to one of his perches inside, hoping to encourage the boys to sit together. Success was marginal at best.

Eventually, if Sinbad doesn't come out the door, I'll remove the face of the cage so there will be a very big opening. Not today. The rest of today belongs to the mammals in the house.
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Post by Donovan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:34 am

That might scare him having such a big opening.

Can you leave the room with the cage door open? Take yourself out of the equation and it may have a different result

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:35 pm

Rocky must be the happiest little ringneck now he has someone to feed and bicker with!
Has Sinbad got a perch in his doorway that he can get to without putting himself in a vulnerable position as he climbs to it? He may not have the confidence to fly out the door yet or climb on certain angles in that situation.

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Post by MissK » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:26 pm

He does, in fact, have a long perch that goes diagonally from the hiding zone to the doorway. It's level with the sill of the doorway, though, not the side. There is a similar perch that goes to the topline of the door.

Upon consideration, I can't really say I expected him to come out. He doesn't follow a lure and he doesn't really make much sign of wanting to come out. Too, I was in the room and we know how he isn't so comfy with me yet. It will come in time.

I don't think it would scare him to lose a wall - it is still only half the front of the cage, since the other half still is protected with cardboard. He would still have his safe retreat.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:12 pm

Patience, little tree! He will come out in his own sweet time and that time will be the right time for him. He could be habituated to the cage and the world outside it may be a scarey place for quite some time.

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Post by MissK » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:28 pm

Sure, I agree. :D I want him to come out, uh, for ROCKY'S sake. Yeah, that's it. For Rocky. He wants to feed his new friend. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Does anybody buy that?
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Post by Donovan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:14 pm

Remember, irns are sneaky. They like to think they're getting away with something. That's why I think you should leave the room for like 20-30 minutes.

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Post by MissK » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:21 pm

OHmagod, there are way too many little toes in this room for him to come out unsupervised. Best I can do is go back under the sheet. I don't think I am that motivated for him to come out!
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:05 pm

Missk Silly-Pants!

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Post by Donovan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:42 pm

missk, arrange something.. set something up.. ... at least if he really never comes out.... otherwise do your thing.. but if he just never comes out.. then do something to protect the toes...

are toes really a problem?.. are there confirmed toe injuries?.. i see my birds biting toes, and i pay attention.. but my observation so far is that it's been harmless.

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Post by MissK » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:15 pm

Hey Donovan,

The thing you have to know about me here is that I am a MITE on the protective side and I take it very seriously that these animals are in my care, under my supervision. If I let a Ringneck out and he removes the toe of a Budgie, that's my fault but it's the Budgie who pays for it. I really can't let a thing like that happen, and since I don't have a crystal ball or a real-time rewind button, certain prevention is all I've got. I can't help it. It's who I am.

It's not that I think Sinbad (or Rocky) definitely will bite toes, just that there is a fair chance of it and the potential consequences are more than I can accept. Lots of birds nip or bite toes (and fingers, remember) on the other side of the wire. It's the same reason Rocky never gets to come out with Budgies. He loves Riff Raff but he has shown some definite unlove for her Budgie boyfriend. He could certainly rip the beak right off that little Budgie. He will never get the chance to show what he actually would do because the potential consequences are not acceptable.

I'm also way too lazy to be covering the cages. Every one of my cages is taller than I am. If Sinbad's not comfortable yet, then it's up to him. If it went to extremes I don't think I would allow him to *never* come out of the cage, but I also think he will come out when the situation is right for him. It was just the first try today.
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Post by crazybirdowner » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:18 am

Wow looks like Mr. Sinbad silly pants being through a lot poor little bugger but at lease his got a good home now he can enjoy and relax.
Looks like you are improving with him especially what he been through.. just doing what you are doing as he needs to gain trust from you which you do not want to push him even more so he would get there; just need time.

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Post by MissK » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:09 am

Wheeee, guess who went for a ride today on his hanging coconut shell?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
He stuffed his whole body in there!
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Post by Donovan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:19 am

I like putting bird seed in mine

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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:43 pm

<<presses like button>>

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:lol:

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Post by MissK » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:38 pm

Um, sorry no pictures, but this just in: I'm pleased to report No Big Issues between Rocky and Sinbad. :D

Today when Sinbad declined to leave his cage I let Rocky go in. I think they did quite well together, though there were times that Rocky followed Sinbad a little more than I thought Sinbad probably liked. I shot video for about half an hour, but there's no telling if I can get it onto the computer. :oops: It won't be edited, that's for sure. I removed Sinbad's cardboard wall just in case, so I would be able to access the right half of the cage if things got ugly. Turns out I didn't have to worry. :D

Rocky did enter and exit Sinbad's cage a number of times, and I think Sinbad needed to see this. By the end of their time together Sinbad did approach the cage door and stick his head out. There was a little bit of slow motion chase, a little bit of boy dance posturing, some snacking, and some self preening and some ignoring each other as well. Rocky checked out Sinbad's toys. Once or twice I feel I saw Sinbad exhibiting some discomfort on his perch alone, getting into "fly away" posture and moving his wings. There was a good bit of noise from Sinbad at times, and I did hear Rocky soliciting "Pretty Bird!" once or twice. :lol:

If I were to rate today's bird play date, I would give it a 9 out of 10.
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That's great!

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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:29 pm

Excellent! :)

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Post by GeveZe » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:41 am

Owww =)

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Post by MissK » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:26 pm

Since I've taken the cardboard off Sinbad's cage, today I had opportunity to install some more natural perches. (..... Couldn't resist buying him stuff :oops: ) He did take a few turns around the living room, and I did have to "shoo" him back into his cage when I was done. He flew right in the door like a champ, though I'm sure it must have been a total coincidence.

The development, though, is that he has not dropped a single feather since he got here. Rocky just tossed out a tail feather and it gave me pause. I guess Sinbad's not going to moult this year. I know it's pretty drastic if they don't moult. I'm thinking it's from the stress of moving here, but if anybody has any other theories, please bring 'em on.

In other news, he totally did not sit on the tree branch. :( He preferred the top of the Budgie cage.
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Post by Donovan » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:21 pm

maybe he molts different

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Post by MissK » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:09 pm

I dunno, it's the middle of August; we should have seen something by now.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:15 pm

No account for taste, but it is not the moult that is stressful for our birds but the stress we have in clearing up their feathers. Here in Birmingham UK it has cooled down and now the worry is nesting sites. When Sinbad starts moulting you will be wishing it would stop.

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Post by MissK » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:50 pm

I really want him to do it. Rocky has about finished already. I really want Sinbad to change his sad, frayed tailfeathers, and I am betting he will be shinier, too, from his better diet.

Recently we had a visit from family, and while he yelled at them a lot, I was secretly so pleased that he treated them differently than he treats me. Means I'm no longer a stranger. :P
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Post by MissK » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:30 pm

Very proud of Sinbad today - he came out of the cage by himself. I notice Rocky did try to nibble his eyes......
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:59 am

Yay for Sinbad!
Awwww rocky is a little sweety.

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Post by Donovan » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:03 am

sounds like they're getting along pretty well..they'll be taking toys away from each other in no time.

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Post by MissK » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:12 am

The did kind of share a toy. Whats the eye thing about?
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Post by Donovan » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:00 am

You see the big IRN at the top of this page? Everytime I come to this site Mr Bell hops up on top of my monitor and starts pecking at that bird's eye. Not aggressively though. He'll just touch then open his wings.. displaying to it.

Other birds on youtube or pictures of birds he'll do the same.

I think it's just nothing more than a touch or a handshake.. a nod, a wave...

on a side note, you talked about regurgitation stuff. You told me something along the lines of letting you know more about my birds doing it.

Well the other day I actually witness neko asking for regurgitated food. They have one spot they always do it from (through the bars). There's a perch inside and one outside the cage right there and they like to sit together there. I was watching them and Neko started kinda touching the bars with his head tilted, sort of reaching his beak through... then mr bell leaned down, opened his beak then started head bobbing.. i watched long enough to see food actually be shared.. if they only knew how gross that was.

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Post by Donovan » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:01 am

MissK wrote:The did kind of share a toy. Whats the eye thing about?
your birds are obviously more mature than mine :lol:

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Post by MissK » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:18 pm

I'm thinking they should be about 36 and 48 in human years!!!

They have made some beak contact but not sure I see any food passing back or forth. I'm keeping my fingers SO CROSSED that next regurgitation season brings them sharing food with each other and not messing up the cage bars.
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Post by Donovan » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:25 pm

well even if they're going through the motions.. passing food or not.. means they like each other.

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Post by MissK » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:17 pm

I would like to think I have a fair command of the English language, but I can't *truly* express what's going on between these guys. Honestly, they behaved as if they already knew each other and had been apart for some time, eager to be rejoined. Sinbad might be a little, just a little, less demonstratively enthusiastic, but I believe he is as eager as Rocky is to pursue time together. In cages, even just four inches apart seems to be too far apart for them. I have seen Rocky pursuing Sinbad, which is to say, Sinbad was moving away, and this is the big reason I cannot yet consider housing them together. Everybody needs an out - persons who have ever had a clingy "friend" will recognize this. Honestly, there was not a hitch in letting this pair together. It has just been a beautiful, beautiful, and very lucky thing. I'd like to think my gut might be able to take some small, insignificant bit of credit for waiting until it felt like we found the right partner for Rocky, but what does my gut really, *really* know about how Ringnecks make friends with each other?
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Post by Donovan » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:30 am

well that personal space concept might not apply to birds.... like how other things turned out not to apply to birds.. like punishment and things like that...
maybe they can't care too much about personal space.
My own birds are in the process of consolidating into one cage. As far as I can tell the only space they need is about 8-12 inches.

If one of your birds didn't like what the other was doing.. he'd squawk, flap one time, and the other one would back up. I think your birds would be fine together... you need to give them more together time.

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Post by MissK » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:03 am

Well yes, they definitely are having time together. I'm just not wanting to force them to be together.
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:18 pm

Nila use to do the clingy thing (constantly trying touch him, groom him etc) to Charlie when he visited and poor little Charles would just keep moving away, never telling Nila to go away. I think you are right to let them have personal space for now.
That's great that they get on so well!

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Post by SkyeBerry » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:19 am

Soooooo....now I see you were holding back some important information...uh huh...I knew there was a reason I could not leave the forum...now I know why certain other inhabitants of your household have not fared so well...uh huh...and I know exactly who I will be reporting this to! Yes indeed I do. There has obviously been some wrong thinking. Cereally! Cereally wrong thinking! :lol:
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Post by MissK » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:58 pm

Please don't rat me out to the Plant Police. Please. Think of the innocent Birdies. Who will look after them? Don't turn me in; I'll give you a nice nut!
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Post by SkyeBerry » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:55 pm

What type of nut?
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Post by MissK » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:46 pm

a nice nut!
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:27 pm

Presumably from a nice tree?

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Post by SkyeBerry » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:48 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by MissK » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:14 pm

The boys spent an unsupervised afternoon together in Sinbad's cage. When I got back after dark, they were sleeping on the same perch. AWWWWWWW!!!!!!! Time to start thinking about joining the cages. It may take some time to make that happen.
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:46 pm

Yay! Are you going to remove the sides to join the cages?

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Post by MissK » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:18 pm

I have a bit of thinking to do about it, and some more sleepovers to get underway. The easiest for me would be to join the cages end to end, although the prospect of making it double high is also attractive. I'm not sure if they would more appreciate height or width. If it goes double high, then we lose the play tree on top.

If it goes double wide then it would have to accommodate moving it every day to change the paper from both sides. Width has always been unsatisfactory for me. I do think there are enough panels to work with for that. I actually pm'd Donovan, since he has that aviary building experience. I rather suspect that I would have to get out the lumber to do anything more than joining the cages end to end.

So, I still don't want to rush them, but I think if they will support living together it would be preferable, since they are so thrilled with each other. It is also possible the day would come to build a custom cage and sell the double flights.

This is a very exciting time.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:08 am

So happy for you all MissK. Well done!

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Post by MissK » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:29 am

Thank you Ellie! I feel so lucky.
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:28 pm

If I were you but thank god l am not l would have a semidetached cage that way if they fall out they could reteat to their own pad but while things are going well they would put up with the cramped conditions each cage offers.

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Post by MissK » Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:16 pm

Fortunately, neither could be said to be living in a cramped cage now. I just get a little moon-eyed when I think of having a ten foot bird cage in the living room. :mrgreen:
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Post by MissK » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:24 am

Well, I found the hitch in the plan. Today I put them together in Sinbad's cage for a few hours and all seemed uneventful until I went by to offer Rocky some treats. He was glad to have them but Sinbad yelled at me for being so close for so long.

It *appears* that his yelling puts Rocky on edge. Rocky went over to Sinbad as he was yelling and I was watching for their interaction. Rocky tried three times to nibble Sinbad's toe, and his posture was odd. This was enough for me to put the idea of living together back on the shelf.

I can't rush caging them together and risk trapping them in any uncomfortable situation just because I got carried away with ideas about parrot fulfilment. Better to err on the side of safety. They will continue to enjoy time out together and little visits. Focussing on the positive, they are still thrilled with each other and that's absolutely fantastic even if they never share a cage.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:14 pm

They say marriage spoils a relationship, but you should not worry because my bird treats our living room as her own and throws food all over my carpet. "Do you do that at home?" I ask her.
"You are kidding surely, this is my home!"

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Post by Donovan » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:49 pm

AJPeter wrote:They say marriage spoils a relationship, but you should not worry because my bird treats our living room as her own and throws food all over my carpet. "Do you do that at home?" I ask her.
"You are kidding surely, this is my home!"
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Post by Melika » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:09 pm

Oh wow, I missed this. Grats on the new bird!
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I've been called 'birdbrained' before, but somehow I don't think this is what they meant. say:hah-nay

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Post by MissK » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:59 pm

Thanks Melika! He makes a bit more noise than, strictly speaking, I would prefer, but the situation is overall fantastic. I knew I wanted Rocky to have a pal, but I had not realized how very much he would appreciate it. I'm quite pleased, too, that Sinbad gets the same fulfilment, though when I brought him in he was just a stranger and his happiness meant less to me than Rocky's did.

BTW, Rocky's head is looking much more normal now.
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Post by Donovan » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:30 pm

How are things with your bird MissK?

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Post by MissK » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:02 pm

Cheap thrills today -

Rocky and Sinbad are spending the afternoon in the "jungle" on top their cages. I have the doorway curtain drawn to keep them in the living room, and I peek in on them now and then. As I did just now, they're on the branch, facing my general direction. I poked my head through the curtain and gave them a cheery "hi guys!" and they BOTH did the shruggy wing gesture of greeting. That's right, I got a friendly greeting in stereo! It was so cute, and I didn't expect it from Sinbad.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:14 pm

Count your lucky stars they could have turned their back to you.

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Post by MissK » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:38 pm

They could have, but they didn't. :D

While I'm here, I'd like to make note of the great progress Sinbad has made in the 8 months that he's been here. When he first came, he was so scared I had to hide under a sheet and spy on him just to be in the same room. And the NOISE. Good Lord, the noise! On this day he calmly accepted my hand just about 18 inches from him while I was passing treats to Rocky, and he twice displayed interest in flying towards me. And then there's that greeting on top of it. And he makes a lot less noise.

Now, that might not be thrilling to anybody else, but I'm over the moon. What did I do to gain this rather commonplace and dull situation? Mostly nothing. I was nice to him. I tried to avoid doing things that upset him. I put him in the house, with a great cage and a great neighbor. I dished out good food and treats. I let him have some time loose in the room. Most times I talked to him and a lot of the times I ignored him and went about my business. I let him watch me interact with Rocky, and the various other creatures of the house.

Maybe if I were not such a lazy animal keeper, maybe if I had a regular training time, or even some goals, Sinbad (and Rocky, too) would have made more exciting and faster achievements by now. Maybe not. I'm very pleased with what we have, and the progress we have made. I see my second hand, middle aged, modestly accomplished birds as survivors and I *COULD NOT BE* more proud of them.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:45 pm

That is what is so nice about them they always have something up their sleeves to please us, somewhere the year before last Billie lost the ability to sing and merely chirped well l have done a lot or whistliong to her and gradually she sings back but more so when some one rings my front door chimes that really sets her off.

Her egg laying is slowing down too, 10 last year in January, 5 in the Autimn and two this year. Her weight shot up to 395 grams becasue l was giving her poridge with full cream milk but cut that back to half fat milk because she was not the only one to go one a diet.
At the last weigh in she was down to 375 grams l hate to say what my weight is....

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Post by SkyeBerry » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:22 am

MissK - continue to bask in the bliss of acceptance. I am tickled pink Skye learned to circle when I cue him! :lol:
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Post by MissK » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:42 pm

What a fine accomplishment for Skye!

Mary, I tell you, standing in the living room, gazing upwards at a pair of Ringnecks on a branch amongst a bunch of greenery with bird noises of four species mixing around me, THAT is a wonderous time. I cannot imagine how it will be a year or two hence, as I am sure to keep developing this situation. Maybe a fishtank simulating rainfall or a stream? Maybe a mister? Stuffed animal monkeys? Entire wall jungle mural? Ropes crossing the ceiling? A hammock on a frame in the middle of the room??? Only time will tell. I hope there won't be any bugs.
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Post by SkyeBerry » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:52 am

You forgot about the beach! Oh right, sand gets into all those hard to reach places you don't want it. :lol:

I must admit I really enjoy my lovebirds. I walk into their room and I have one pair on my left arm, another on my right shoulder, one female preens the base of my neck, and another is usually climbing across my back looking for his/her spot to perch. The most I have had is five in a row on one arm. I will never underestimate or downplay the feeling of acceptance without judgement. It truly is a wonderful thing.

As far as decorating goes I fear where I am going to be next year. A lot of what I have read about parrots and enrichment, behavioural problems etc has discussed the mistakes we have made with how 'we' raise them - removing from parents/handfeeding - and the need to not only let parrots forage but the importance of supplying them places to go. So I have the cage and three playstations in one room and now I am working on the second room.

I don't have a jungle mural but I do have bamboo on the property and a bamboo mural that I debate about using. Unfortunately, no pandas. :( I do have stuffed monkeys! :mrgreen:
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Post by MissK » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:19 am

Sinbad had an overnight guest! Rocky and Sinbad were out and about, and when they both were in Sinbad's cage together I shut the door. I felt OK about it since I was on hand all day, and I left my bedroom door open overnight to hear any trouble. I did hear a bell ringing and got up to put their light on a little while, but put it off when things settled. When I spied on them they were side by side to sleep. Breakfast went well. I expect to send Rocky home before I leave the house,
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:08 pm

How sweet! I reckon Billie would get on with another bird as does not attack her soft toy which is a blue dragon called Oodles

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Post by SkyeBerry » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:08 am

Excellent! so glad things are working out well!
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Post by MissK » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:54 am

Well, Rocky spent two days with Sinbad, but now he says he wants out. It was fun but I guess it's just not the right time for this.
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Post by SkyeBerry » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:06 pm

Familiarity breeds contempt! No reason they can't just have the occasional sleep over and lots of play dates. How many of your friends would you want to live with? :o
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Post by MissK » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:00 am

I think there will be a lot of sleep overs. Once home, Rocky started feeding stuff. What a weirdo. They are together since yesterday again. It's OK with me if they travel a lot.
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Post by SkyeBerry » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:27 am

Has Rocky fed Sinbad yet?
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Post by MissK » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:39 am

Rocky has not, repeat, NOT, read the memo. He did stop asking to come out, though.

He's in Sinbad's cage, feeding the toys. Sinbad might be feeding the same toys, or he might be eating the stuff off them. They've been sleeping on different perches. Oh, I lied. Just now it looks like Rocky's at least trying to feed Sinbad. Hard to say what Sinbad's doing, cuz it's kind of overcast today and I can't see so well into that room from the next. Their faces are touching briefly, but I can't see any receptive action from Sinbad. Darn, it's too dark inside that cage and my binoculars won't focus from such a short distance away.

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:59 pm

Turn the binoculars round!

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Post by MissK » Tue May 05, 2015 9:01 am

THEY'RE DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rocky and Sinbad have given up separate perches and now sleep together always. :D
They frequently eat from the same cup at the same time, though there are two cups of everything. Looks like a pair of little see-saws! :lol:
And today I see Rocky feeding Sinbad and Sinbad now taking food willingly. Brings a tear to the eye! :(
He even takes some of the food Rocky still bestows on the cage bars.
They took advantage of a poorly latched door a few weeks ago, and spent part of a day and all night loose in the living room - at least I *think* they stayed in the living room. (Last time Riff Raff was out all day I found her sleeping on her cage but there was Budgie poop in the kitchen window sill.......... ) Next morning found Rocky and Sinbad side by side in the play gym tree.

I'm so thrilled my Ringnecks seem to have made that next to last step in their friendship. Still waiting to see Sinbad feed Rocky back. Now if only I can figure out how to join those cages. They're both living in Sinbad's cage right now.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue May 05, 2015 12:37 pm

Congratultions!

Are they male and female? or both males? If both males the dominant one will feed the other best not to disturb that arrangement.

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Post by MissK » Tue May 05, 2015 11:53 pm

They're both boys, and have doing the boy wings thing for each other much of the year.
I don't think I could change what they're doing if I wanted to! Them being pals enough to feed - that's a dream come true! I do have two boy Budgies, though, who take turns feeding each-other. I'd like that for the Ringnecks as well. Maybe next year.

Sinbad's doing so much better about me reaching in the cage, too, since Rocky moved in and showed him how to chill out. I think I've caught him pausing to take note lately when I mimic his special dog whimper noise.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed May 06, 2015 11:50 am

It is funny how they react to sounds, l can get Billie to stand on tip toe calling louder and louder when l make dog whimpering sounds. I recorded from the TV the dawn chorus and played it to her this morning, she reponds to the Robins and Bluetits but ignores the pigeons

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Post by MissK » Thu May 28, 2015 5:33 am

Let's talk about moulting. (CLAWNZ, I'm looking at you......)

As we know, Sinbad's been here just a week or so short of a year. Upon arrival his feathers were a mess and I waited and waited for the moult which finally began, I guess, in April? March? Should have written that down......

He started, as far as I'm concerned, backwards, with the big tail feathers. Then for a while he dropped middle size wing feathers more or less in pairs. I then got some largeish soft feathers, and what seemed like an insufficient amount of little down. It looks like he's doing it much differently than Rocky does.

Speaking of Rocky, he just this week dropped his first feather, a small wing type one.

I understand that, while they were offered the same foods for the past year, they have probably chosen to eat different items from their options. I also understand that their social/emotional/environmental stress situations have been different, as we all learned to live with each other. Their schedules, lighting, heating - environmental variables - have been identical.

So I have questions and, being me, I'm not satisfied to just say "Well, they're unique individuals".

Now, Rocky is on schedule in accordance with his past moulting performance. However, I am baffled with Sinbad. Why did he start early? Why did he start backwards? Why is his moult so light? Time will tell if he does any more.

Anybody have feathers for their area of special interest want to weigh in here?
-MissK

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Re: Welcome Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants!

Post by MissK » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:34 pm

Well, all that moulting is done and I can say Sinbad had a full moult. Boy, did he look like the moths had been at him. I actually worried! He's beautiful now. Rock's finishing up his moult now, as well. Dying to know why they didn't go at the same time.
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Re: Welcome Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants!

Post by MissK » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:40 pm

I've got something else to report, and I'm pleased as punch about it.

Sinbad came for treats today. He travelled about two feet to take nuts from me. It was a snatch and run situation, but he did it four times, and he got a HUGE reward for his effort. For some reason now, we're out of nuts! :lol: Rocky's going to turn INTO a nut after demonstrating all this behaviour.

PLEASE, let's have some applause for Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants - he's come a long way! :D
-MissK

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Re: Welcome Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants!

Post by InTheAir » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:11 am

That's fantastic! Congratulations on your understanding and patience with him, it really pays off! You are a great example to us all :)

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Re: Welcome Mr. Sinbad Silly Pants!

Post by MissK » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:05 pm

Thanks! The boys are the ones doing all the work.

Tonight as I went by the cage for last check of the night, Sinbad readily started coming towards me along the bars. We're still out of nuts, but I thought I'd better have *something* for him, so I ran for the peanut butter I've been using to convince the dog to eat her medicine.

Sinbad came in just once and licked the world's runniest peanut butter right off my finger through the bars! What a brave one. Rocky was pleased with the peanut butter, too, but he didn't think much of the towel that followed to clean up the mess.
-MissK

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