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hi...this is the baby

Post by leo »

this is the baby, iname him tango again...i guess i realy love that name

from the 1st picture, in clock wise direction
from 17, 19, 21, 25 and 26 july when he start to wear harness

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Post by leo »

hi..thise are tango in the harness

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the size can be adjust, since he is small, i smallen the harness

thisis the pic of him a few minute before i post it

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i put him in the cage in the late morning and afternoon...
i will put him back in to the box as the underwing part is still bald
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Awwww.....he is very cute.
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Post by leo »

ihi,i have a little problem here...
my baby did not want to eat in the afternoon and eat only a little inthe morning and night...he is now on 3 feeding...
in the morning, he just eat about 6 ml and start to want to wonder around, climb on to my leg, or just wander away...his bobing head also lesser...
this happen already a few days, about 3 days...but
from the begining he is not the type that cry alot and go for food...

he hardly make any noise...
he seems to be enjoying his pellet, but i really dont know weather he eats...this baby is just different from the previous babies i have.,..
he is the type that is food is not his priority
i m thinking to skip his afternoon feeding(im feeding him 3 times a day) to encaurage his apetite...

he is 5 weeks +, hatch on 20 june...
is he still in 3 feeding or already can be feed 2 twice? i remeber, the last time i got baby irn baby about 5 week,(i think was younger 5 weeks),i think he is younger then the current baby i have rightnow...he is on 2 feeding...

so, should i try to skip the mid day feeding?
or should i force feed him?
thansk...(i love to see my ringneck grow big in size, hehe)
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Post by Fah »

Unfortunately the track record for you and birds in my opinion isnt crash hot, and it really angers me thinking people can hand raise their own young without guidance in a person to person form or by not reading COMPLETELY and understanding COMPLETELY all these issues that might pop up BEFORE you actually encounter them... as the hand rearer, its your job to know EVERYTHING that might go wrong, and how to solve it.. BEFORE you even get to it... and what your describing shows you obviously have not.

You dont 'skip' meals to encourage appetite, its a very silly idea, very. You merely change the mixture to a slightly thinner mix so its digested quicker etc after feeding so its hungrier at feeding allocation time.

You never force feed an animal unless circumstances like emergency rescues etc. You inflict so much stress on them doing that.

Seriously, I really dislike this when people dont actually know what they are doing and place so much risk on a living creature.

There are many things that dissapoint me in regards to the trials and tribulations that you have going on around you regarding your animals leo, maybe you are asking too much from them and rushing your experience far too hastily.
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1st, i did not want to hand rise this baby, but do i have choice?
i have sain in the other thread, this baby is rejected by the parents when he was 25 days old

the owner could not look after as he has no expiriance at all
not having anyone that can help here, what should i do other then taking the baby and hand feed him?

i was just thinking, skipping a meal or making the mixture thinner might help, because it was the advise given by a breeder to me a few years ago...other advise is to keep the mixture warm, which i tried and fail

fah, lets say, you have a baby bird, and no one can help you,?
are you going to wait till the bird died? no right?
of course you sill try to think and ask around dont you?
You dont 'skip' meals to encourage appetite, its a very silly idea, very. You merely change the mixture to a slightly thinner mix so its digested quicker etc after feeding so its hungrier at feeding allocation time.

You never force feed an animal unless circumstances like emergency rescues etc. You inflict so much stress on them doing that.
okay,...
what will you do then?
the baby is refusing to eat...you let him not eating? i really hope you can suggest me of what to do in this situation...

what i did was, i feed the bird earlier then usuals. 8 pm instead of 10 or 11
then in the morning, the bird appetite is back to normal...

o, another thing, i brough him to vet, the vet say he is healthy
and ask me to skip 1 or two meals...to encourage hie behaviour....

i hope you understand my situation, if i do not take over this baby, i think he could have died...as there was no brooder given and here is a rainy and cold season

now he is fledging
sometime, i really hope you guys breeder can answer and suggest ways and methods, i think that is the main purpose of this forum,

your personal feling to me, i would leave it to you...but what ever it is, what ever i do, i tried my best to safe and help animals and bird in my part...of course im learning, im not as expiriance as you guys here....but i tried my best...

i think if you can, you would want to help me asnwer my question 1st, may be i encounter this situation in future and your advise might determine the life of the baby...
thanks
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Post by Fah »

Sometimes your problems can be answered by doing some very simple research and not waiting for the more 'experienced' people to give you the answer when really its right under your nose. Some quick searching, especially when you need vital information very fast is better than waiting for one of us to respond... that time can have strong influences on your bird.

I am sure you try to do the best thing, but sometimes you need the right equipment in order to DO the right thing.. without the right equipment you are actually doing a mediocre job of it... its like taking in a baby from the cold, and then trying to feed it adult food... you did the right thing taking it in, but were not set up to do what you wanted.

A brooder is a must and could be why its feeding routine is going downhill... which can lead to stunted growth etc... if not health issues as it ages.

There is a wonderful guide, on this site none the less, in regards to hand raising IRN's.

http://indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=799

In regards to your problem.. a fledging baby will start rejecting food, but it still needs the formula, patience is key, they will eat it, maybe not all of it... I also blatantly said how you can help encourage its eating if it really doesnt seem hungry at all, read the post again.

If you are following the guide, have the bird in a warm situation (not having a brooder is a mistake) and have a constant supply of soaked seed / sprouted seed / soft peas and other veg around for it to eat (which you need to replace each day) your bird should be on a good path.

I am sure you try to do the right thing leo, but sadly so much seems to go on with you and your birds its a little bit hard to decide what to believe and what not to believe.

The purpose of this forum is to help, but unfortunately, its not ethical to take in sick and young birds if you dont have the equipment to do so, and end up doing a half baked job of it, you end up risking more permanent and lasting physical issues for the bird. It is easy and cheap to make a very BASIC brooder, a light globe, a fitting and a bucket with a thermometre I have seen being used as a last resort emergency brooder... it all depends on what effort you want to put in.

Good luck for the birds sake.
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Post by leo »

yes fah, thanks...i actually make the brooder with plastic fishtank, i make it 2 layer, the lower part, is the light bulb and the top part, is the bird and thermometer and all the things, drink and pellet...that moment, i did not dare to give freshie yet

now i have him in the cage with piano toy that he will keep pressing and creaming when he want to eat or when somebody coming

also some other toys and bells

i feed him with fruit, veg pellet and seeds, he seems to enjoy veg more then the rest

i tried to google it, but the result i get rather contridicting, some even say,leave them alone and they will cry when they are hungry...
i was not convince by the gogle result often
as to search in forums, it is very very difficult to open the forum page, thats why i seldom reply other thread...i usually only open the forum through the reply notification email....
The purpose of this forum is to help, but unfortunately, its not ethical to take in sick and young birds if you dont have the equipment to do so, and end up doing a half baked job of it, you end up risking more permanent and lasting physical issues for the bird. It is easy and cheap to make a very BASIC brooder, a light globe, a fitting and a bucket with a thermometre I have seen being used as a last resort emergency brooder... it all depends on what effort you want to put in.
i actually call some of breeder to ask weather they want to help, they said
"no, i m afraid your baby have illness and pass it to the rest of my flock"
i ask the shop, they say
no, he is way too young...you see, we only take baby that do not need brooder

if i leave witht he ex owner, he defenately die
i had no choice...as much as i would love the expiriance, i know my knowladge and the isk...i would not dare to take sucha young bird, but, it is emergency and i had to do that...when the baby come to me, he is very very thin as he keep refusing to eat....but now he is fat, but geting thin again due to starting of flight

thansk fah... for the info, i know you are acting for the best interest of the bird
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Post by Recio »

Hi Leo;

You are doing your best, you are learning as all of us we do, so ... what else to ask you for? Questions should be made, this is the only way for learning. No one was born with the knowledge/experience inside. Ethical questions are more difficult to consider since no one knows the context of the others.
Here there are very good "teachers" as Fah, Jay, Madas, Cristkoy, Pinkdevil, Coastal Birds and many others. We should take advantage of their knowledge, even if sometimes they are upset of our questions :lol: .

By the way, beautiful chick.

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Post by ringzap »

hi, i to find myself with have same problem too...
my bird dont want to have eat suddenly...
i very worried now
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Post by leo »

hi guys...my baby have grown big, yesterday he was excactly 2 months old...he fly really well, doing all the stunt in the midair(i think he learn it by seeing my tiel)

i will post some picture later on
he is still on 2 hand feeding...morning and late night...he can eat by himself, but he still want to be hand feed...

the tiel, after seeing my ringie, become hand feed baby too
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Post by U.S Marine »

Hi Leo, are you sure Tango is a he?
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Heya leo, you may want to cut down on the hand feeding, two months is well over 50 days, should really be on one feed a day, this helps trigger changes mentally in the bird, as well as physically and hormonally, so try not to drag out the hand rearing for too long.

Other than that sounds good.
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Post by leo »

im not sure tango is a he
i heard some local say eldest baby tend to be the stongest, healtiest and the male?
is it true fah?

yea, i will try to cut down on the feeding...but he cries and cries and cries...
its a bit funny, last time i was trying to confince him to eat, not im convincing him to stop...hahaha...

thos morning i feed him a little bit, half then usual, just to make him calm a little, but result is, he scream even louder...

i ignore him and put vegs, fruits, seeds, whole meal bread and pellet...
i just ignore him...he gave up and start to nibble on the fruits

i remeber last time my irn baby weaned before 8 weeks old...
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Post by julie »

try thickening up the formula a little bit.
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Like julie said, try thickening the mixture, and set a time of the day (early to mid afternoons preferable) to do the feed, and let the little tiger sort him/herself out for the rest of the day... screaming is natural, why would you want an easy thing to stop? heh, just force the issue... if its eating on its own, it will just start doing so more.

You can ignore any rubbish anyone tells you about myths and hypes about bird sex tendencies in IRN's.

Ignorance breeds ignorance, and this is why I stopped posting in all of the 'what sex is my bird' threads on the forum, cos I got tired of saying the same thing over and over to people who dont look up some simple answers or read the rest of the forum titles briefly first lol

There are three ways to sex your bird, and im affraid those who say otherwise are going on their good guessing chances or their ability to talk to animals lol.

1) DNA
2) Surgical
3) Wait till it either gets a ring... or doesnt... and this is around 2yrs you should see something happening (but you cant set a date with it...)

I can tell you why people still try to bulls**t others about sex etc its because the majority of people want a male for the ring... and most people are too cheap to bother getting the bird sexed...
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Fah wrote:Like julie said, try thickening the mixture, and set a time of the day (early to mid afternoons preferable) to do the feed, and let the little tiger sort him/herself out for the rest of the day... screaming is natural, why would you want an easy thing to stop? heh, just force the issue... if its eating on its own, it will just start doing so more.

You can ignore any rubbish anyone tells you about myths and hypes about bird sex tendencies in IRN's.

Ignorance breeds ignorance, and this is why I stopped posting in all of the 'what sex is my bird' threads on the forum, cos I got tired of saying the same thing over and over to people who dont look up some simple answers or read the rest of the forum titles briefly first lol

There are three ways to sex your bird, and im affraid those who say otherwise are going on their good guessing chances or their ability to talk to animals lol.

1) DNA
2) Surgical
3) Wait till it either gets a ring... or doesnt... and this is around 2yrs you should see something happening (but you cant set a date with it...)

I can tell you why people still try to bulls**t others about sex etc its because the majority of people want a male for the ring... and most people are too cheap to bother getting the bird sexed...
Getting the bird sexed is disturbing.
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Post by ian1 »

I know the "what sex is my bird" questions get boring for the long termers - I apologise because I'm as guilty as the rest....

....I just want to make sure the names of my birds are correct!!!!!!!

I think it sort of affects the way we interpret their behaviour too.

Those harnesses really bother me...both my birds could go through that (presumably) composite nylon cord faster than I would like to think (Alexs are fitted with a cable cutter and IRNs specialise in delicate snipping) I love the idea of taking them for a walk....can anyone vouch for them?
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Post by Fah »

We do more disturbing things to human babies when they are born, by injecting them with things that often spur a little bout of discomfort for them... 4-5 times before they are even a year old... :P

Despite what some believe, plucking two 1inch long feathers from the right spot is only a momentary tinge for a bird (back, underwing, shoulder). Its only the owners fear of doing it that tends to make the process bad for the bird (excessive handling, too rough, not doing a single firm pull on both feathers at once etc).

I guess its like anything though, you can believe what you want to believe in regards to the feelings of the animal and noone can put you down for that, but having done is time after time to birds and never once seeing a reaction of anger, distrust, or grude... and we all know birds do this when they are hurt/upset... its obvious to me they dont really care.

The 'pricking' option is possibly even less traumatic, the needle (if using a professional tiny needle you purchased) to simply prick the toe as a baby, is only as traumatic as pricking your own finger tip (to the average person, its not that big of an ordeal but I am sure others are not of this opinion).

But yah, knowing sex for naming is more than a good reason to sex the bird, but other than waiting 1.5-2yrs, DNA/Surgical sexing the bird is the only way.

I guess like anything in the end though, its disturbing to some, not at all to others, and it all depends on your own belief system and experiences with such matters, after all, I have seen people damage relationships with their birds by not doing it carefully...

getting far off topic though... so back to the bird, let us know how it goes Leo, things seem to be going fine so far :D
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Post by leo »

hi all...thanks alot fah

my baby is flying really well these days, he start to manuveour
he start to become naughty, instead of landing on my hand, he purposely land on my head, or he will break a while as if he is landing and just fly by me....

he start to reject the feeding, especially in the morning...this morning he did not eat almost at all...

he will act as if he is crying for food, when i come near, he just fly and cry again, expecting me to play chase with him....
he act excectly like the 1st tango when she was weaning
for the sex, honestly, i prefer male, i like the dance and the ring, but i really do not mind with female though....i really dont, its the bird that matter

for the harness, i find those sole is very thick and rough for irn, i made 1 myself, the bird is quiet confortable with it...he has been wearing it since very young...if the bird can cooperate with the harness, it can be great to take the bird out to meet more object, especially if they are rise to be pets or performers...
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anyway, i wont do the sexing, i cant affort it, too expensive here...
i rather wait for 2 years... :lol:
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he is officially down to 1 feeding day....
now, he is a very very naughy fellow...just would not come to me...
he only come to me when i am doing something else, if i call, he will fly to my hand , and just before landing, he will fly off and make a victorious squack....

i just let him develop his mind for the time being, after he know the meaning of reward, then i will teach him some manners...hehe

i notice his eyes already lighten up, i can see the pinning when he is handfed and when my tiel come close to him, he is just 2 months 5 days old, but the eyes change that early???
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Post by leo »

hi...
i have some question to ask
this morning, tango still bobing his head like a baby
just only i open the cage and let them fly
tango display a much improve manouvouring and once both of them land on my hands, tango do themale dance and start regurating to the tiel

he no longer bob his head...

isnt it too early for that?
he is just 2 months 1 week old
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last night, tango even display more prominent male dance with tilted head and everything...isnt he too young for all those adult stuff?
but he bob his head once he see the syringe

here is the recent picture of tango
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Post by pinkdevil »

Awwww....Tango the 2nd is very sweet. :)

Has taken to the harness quite well by the looks of it.

I wouldn't take too much notice of the male/female behaviour at this stage. Still a young bird and going through the motions.
All my babies go through the "ohh female....no male" behaviour for some time.

Mine kept up with the head bobbing thing for a few weeks after they were weaned. Guess it is just their transition of going from baby to teenager onto to adulthood. :)
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Post by leo »

thanks pink...
he already stop doing the head bobing and the male dance thiny
but he still regurating to my tiel, haha...he still on 1 feeding everynite

anyway, want to ask about the harness

may be anyone can you help me?
hi i got a harness for my ringneck, the bird accept it as he is wearing it since baby.

however,now he is flying very well even in the harness and i want to bring him out

he refuse to have the leash. infact he do not mind i put the leash, but he soon learn that he cant fly freely with the leash on. now he refuse to have the leash. when i put it on he will fly and get angry as he cant fly freely.


how can i train him not to fly or other esential behaviour while the leash is on .



thansk alot
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Post by julie »

the harness question above would most likely get a better response if you started a new thread in training.
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thansk
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