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hi guys....
it along time since i post update about tango.
he is doing great. he already wear his harness and we often go out for a short walk outside.
he is just start molting and i dont think its a good idea to put on his harness this time...
i have some question
but
anyway, this might sound silly, i found a few red feather on his head. i mean head, not neck
there are 4 red feather on the head
i could not take pic as i only have my phone. it shows nothing if i take it with a lousy cam.
but really, red feather on the head.
is there anybody expiriance this before?
he will be 4 month old this 21 oct

thanks
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you said he is moulting, it could be blood feathers coming through. we really would need to see pics of it.
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Certainly need pics.

Suffice to say, you have had this red feathering problem before in lutino's, so I am gathering there is a link somewhere (diet, whatever).
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ya, defenately...
i tried to take it with my phone cam. but it just do not show.
it really require u to look close at it. but im sure there is

my previous tango, yup,have red colouration along the tail feather and some on the base of neck feather. i did some research on it and said that it might me hybrid as fah mentioned. i did not know any history of the previous tango

now tango come from a yellow pair. have breed alot of time with its previous owner and tango is the 1st chick when the pair is bought from my friends. tango was abbandoned by the parents remember?

i ask my friend, he said the pair usually produce yellow irn with very pale middle tail feahter(the 2 longest) and very pale flight feather. but tango have a very yellow flight feather and tail.

its not blood feather, it a full feather already. no pin feather yet as he just start molting

i have tried taking picture, but it doesnt show, so i think there is no point posting it
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put the pics on, someone may be able to see what you are talking about.
Alexandrians dont have red tail feathers and as far as I know should already have red markings on the wings.
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While I cant guarantee there is no alexandrine in the mix, I can guarantee you no hybrids have ever shown red where otherwise it never appeared on an Alexandrine so we can almost certainly rule that out.

I chased this option up with two Australian breeders specialising with Hybrid Alexandrines (who are working on birds whose lowest purity is 15/16 and have been breeding between hybrids since first putting pure Alex's with Pure IRN's.

These are some issues relating to red in lutinos to my knowledge.

Liver problems.
Dietary issues.
Stress disorders (quite uncommon effect however) and not always related to mental but physical stress.

A red feather should stand out quite well against yellow... but yah, without a pic, I cant/wont offer anymore advice/opinion.

All in all, something is amis, and it just doesnt sound right, but we have been here before no? :P
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thanks fah thanks julie
here's the pics.
Image

u see the 2 red dot on the head...
no, i hope not liver problem or any health issue
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pointed by the arrow
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Is this also coupled with some rather patch pale areas? I mean is there a distinct mix of shades of yellow in various parts of the body/wings other than the tail and flight feathers?

The red in them is really quite minimal (i mean, the image is showing that it is capturing the pink in your hands, and able to show the colour, however those 'red' feathers are so minutely red in these shots I would hesitate to guess that its either stress of diet from those shots.

What exactly are you feeding it, so we can rule that out :D
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he has no pale patch. he is actually very yellow compared to the previous tango i had. his flight feahters are also relatively yellow. no pale patch. he only look very messy as he srop wuiet alot of feather...lol

he is on pellet. there are 3 container int he cage
1. is for main food, kaytee pellet. free flow
2. for fresh food, either veg or/and fruits. served in daily basis
3. small bowl of seeds mix. given about 2-4 time a week
sunflower seed is kept away for reward

yup, its quiet minimal. its even hard to see. but infact, there are a few red dot on the head. the pic show half of the head and have 2 red dots.
the other side have another 1 or 2 too.

thanks fah
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Diet is fine then.

Next step is sunlight. I am pretty sure you take your bird out now and then no? (hence harness).

Are there any smokers in your house? (have heard from another situation a long time ago their bird had degenerative issues with their feathers from smokers). Again... doubtful though.

Even things like heavy cooking etc can put things in the air that, depending on the choice of material used, can have various effects on the bird.

Ideally... if you can, try to get a blood sample taken for analysis... this one quick thing can probably answer all of anything I could probably ask you above and anything later down the line... not to mention give you positive results towards finding out the issue.

Its tiny for now, its certainly not meant to be happening, and you could nab it at the source of the problem before it becomes serious.

Appart from a hormonal/physical condition (possibly from the parents of the birds considering this is the second of their young you have owned with this problem) I am kind of lost for ideas after this post.
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Next step is sunlight. I am pretty sure you take your bird out now and then no? (hence harness).

Are there any smokers in your house? (have heard from another situation a long time ago their bird had degenerative issues with their feathers from smokers). Again... doubtful though.

Even things like heavy cooking etc can put things in the air that, depending on the choice of material used, can have various effects on the bird.
the bird cage is partially exposed to outside via window. so he get sunlight and rain, but can hide if it gets too hot or cold.

no smoking or cooking. i stop cooking because i have read that cooking fumes is bad for birds...

i have just called the vet. it is very expensive (almost another ringneck) to have a blood test and it take month to reveal he result. they will need to sent to blood sample overseas, same as dna testing, because they dont have the lab here

no, the 1st tango is not form the same parent as this.
i have no info on the 1st tango parental history, but this tango, is known to produce lutino with some pale feather.
i just hope things turn out well. i cant affort the blood test anyway
seriously, thanks alot fah
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What do you eat if you stopped cooking? I'm sorry but you are always worried it seems. Just relax, chill and watch your bird.
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u know why i always worried?
because, when you overlook something, you could just find your fid dead...
they are hardy, but also very fergile in some ways.

i treasure every single 1 of them. if anything were to happen to them, i would just feel they pain they felt. anywhere, i read somewhere, as far say, rare red colour on lutino could mean liver problem. and most of the time, they will just die...isnt that serious. may be not for you, but it is for me.

errr, there is somewhere call restaurant, or hawker center or street food seller. so ya, i would eat there.
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There is such a thing as being overly paranoid. It can do just as much damage is not caring enough.

I am not saying you MUST blood test your bird, what I am trying to say is you should, if you do not for whatever reason, keep an eye on it for it getting worse, but keep in mind quite a few people might not agree with that action and sometimes its best to keep things you wont deal with, to yourself, for letting us know for the sake of doing so and not doing anything about it... can piss people off :P

You dont want to get the test done cos its the cost of the bird... but regardless of my mental opinion... you run the risk of not knowing and letting things get worse. Running the risk of a dead bird.. and hey presto, more mental anguish, and whoops.. another pet bird on order...
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and hey presto, more mental anguish, and whoops.. another pet bird on order...
err, i dont really get this
i have gone to the vet. vet say he is okay. look like the vet dont know what is going on too...
pay the bucks for him to say "your bird is doing fine and the colour issue is common aka normal"

honestly, am i overly paranoid? over the red colour feather on the head..?
am i over paranoid after fah say the posible cause of the red feather?

i dont know you guys, but i will be paranoid, especially after i knew abot the possible cause to it
I'm sorry but you are always worried it seems. Just relax, chill and watch your bird.
What do you eat if you stopped cooking? I'm sorry but you are always worried it seems. Just relax, chill and watch your bird.
may be you have alot of expiriance and you could 100% tell the bird is okay, but unfortunately, i dont. im not that knowladgible as you...

what if, what if...i say

"tango sudenly died, actually i have noticed red feather growing on the head...
but i did not do anything"

i dont know, but i i think i would be able to guess what you guys gona say....
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fah:
you do not for whatever reason, keep an eye on it for it getting worse, but keep in mind quite a few people might not agree with that action and sometimes its best to keep things you wont deal with, to yourself, for letting us know for the sake of doing so and not doing anything about it... can piss people off
but i have read that most of the time, thing do not let us see the health detoriation. most cases, you just find your bird dead on the cage.

i remeber unussuality in the bird colour is caused by certain things. i remeber that there is somebody saying white colout feather on lutino and the other reply the cause of it.

i just could not find the post.
im not letting u guys know for the sake for it. what for?
im asking you guys expiriance on it. i dont think it is a wrong thing to do. and ya, you guys seem pissed by that.

to us mairine
its not that i always worry. because i only post thing that worry me. things that might be a problem. hoping to find solutions, or easy solutions may be....and might be a solution to future reader
its not that i always seem worry
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Leo, you have done as much as you can I believe in regards to figuring out / canceling out this problem, and dragging it on seems relatively pointless since you yourself said your not getting any tests done... so what else is there to add to this cept more posts about it?

Sorry if I came off blunt, red feathers are a problem, they shouldnt be there. But appart from testing hormone levels and liver function... you probably wont know.

This... this is over paranoia imo, worrying about something you cant/wont delve further into.

If you are truely that worried about it, save up, do something to get that extra cash and do something about it... you say your worried yet you also say the vet will probably tell you its nothing... not much I can say to that.

White feather problems through a lutino could be 100% unrelated to this problem... so I would not use antoher persons feather problems (of which the signs are completely different) as a basis for answers, but it might open some holes.

I am not pissed lol, but all im saying is I can see only one of two paths this story is going to take.

1) it goes away, everyone happy
2) gets worse, you freak out

Those are the only two things that can really happen without testing.

Red feathers through lutino's in places they shouldnt be... never a great sign... but then again, those feathers are so freaking little in red, it could just be stress (and if you show half as much stress in your body language / actions with your birds as you do on the forums I can possibly see why).

EDIT: I really dont understand your posts... your like 'i cant afford to do anything about it' but at the same time 'omg omg omg'... what is to be accomplished?
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leo wrote:
and hey presto, more mental anguish, and whoops.. another pet bird on order...
err, i dont really get this
i have gone to the vet. vet say he is okay. look like the vet dont know what is going on too...
pay the bucks for him to say "your bird is doing fine and the colour issue is common aka normal"

honestly, am i overly paranoid? over the red colour feather on the head..?
am i over paranoid after fah say the posible cause of the red feather?

i dont know you guys, but i will be paranoid, especially after i knew abot the possible cause to it
I'm sorry but you are always worried it seems. Just relax, chill and watch your bird.
What do you eat if you stopped cooking? I'm sorry but you are always worried it seems. Just relax, chill and watch your bird.
may be you have alot of expiriance and you could 100% tell the bird is okay, but unfortunately, i dont. im not that knowladgible as you...

what if, what if...i say

"tango sudenly died, actually i have noticed red feather growing on the head...
but i did not do anything"

i dont know, but i i think i would be able to guess what you guys gona say....
I dont get it either, first its vet will say your bird is ok and you dont want to pay for tests.
then its you have read stuff that suggests otherwise and then you say tango#1 who "died" had the same thing.

All I can suggest is Leo read what you have written and you will see that even you know you should get it looked into further. Cant wait to see pics of tango #3
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This... this is over paranoia imo, worrying about something you cant/wont delve further into.
thats why im asking you what is the solution. if i know i wont ask. if i could do something, i would.how do i know weather the solution is within my mean when i dont even know the solution
If you are truely that worried about it, save up, do something to get that extra cash and do something about it... you say your worried yet you also say the vet will probably tell you its nothing... not much I can say to that.
i am really worried and i brough it to vet. i brought it down already, the vet say its normal
White feather problems through a lutino could be 100% unrelated to this problem... so I would not use antoher persons feather problems (of which the signs are completely different) as a basis for answers, but it might open some holes.


both are on colour issue, that the best i can relate as i have shallow knowladge on it
EDIT: I really dont understand your posts... your like 'i cant afford to do anything about it' but at the same time 'omg omg omg'... what is to be accomplished?
yea, i cant afford it, how much do you think i have as a student'?
omg is jus the way i write to express something that excite me. thats the way im writing
omg = oh my god
nothing to be accomplish with that beside showing my excitement and enxiety
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I dont get it either, first its vet will say your bird is ok and you dont want to pay for tests.
then its you have read stuff that suggests otherwise and then you say tango#1 who "died" had the same thing.

All I can suggest is Leo read what you have written and you will see that even you know you should get it looked into further. Cant wait to see pics of tango #3

julie, you sure have issue with me, dont you?

i never say vet will say, i say vet said !!!
not that i dont want, i cant afford.

tango 1 do not have the same thing. it has the red colour on the tail, not the head.

i dont know if its just me, jullie, you sure have want to find problem with me.
all i can suggest you julie, read carefully before you comment.

in the pm, you cant even answer every of your own blatant insult to me. all you can do is to shot at me, blindly
you really have to read carefully, fastest example
i never write the vet will say, i say the vet say
i have gone to the vet. vet say he is okay. look like the vet dont know what is going on too...
pay the bucks for him to say "your bird is doing fine and the colour issue is common aka normal"
see, you miss read it...what you gona say about this?
if you got nothing to say, get a mirror, a 2 meter tall mirror. look at your self 1st before you post.

you are moderator? you are the worst i ever see. ever !!!!!!
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Leo, you have been in the center of controversy about your ability to keep birds before man, you seem to be a magnet for problems, hence why people can tend to be short with you (like myself in the past).

Infact, I generally mull over your problems a few days before I even post, and often regret getting involved in your problems, thinking it best to just ignor you all together heh.

I find it funny how mixed your posts often are, and hence why in the past I have often beleived you to be a fake person, only here to cause problems and controversy... this was just my opinion, and what I believe or dont believe isnt important in the long run, so long as I can try to lend a hand.

You yourself often contradict yourself, you say your worried like anything, as this isnt normal (as it isnt) yet you have put down your vets before for not knowing enough about birds, and even this vet say its normal.... which I find hilariously incorrect (proving they dont know anything about birds)...

Now you say even though you are really really worried, that its not actually worth being worried about because a vet who doesnt know whats going on at all (not encouraging) says all seems well... even though they also say they have no idea... lol does NOT make sense.

Being a student imo is NOT an excuse for not being able to afford the medical costs of pets. Pets are a serious commitment, and if you cant budget problem costs (like accidents or vet bills) into the cost of owning a pet then you need to 1) sit back and think about how much you actually care for the animal (since you cant afford to help it when it needs it) and 2) think more about the birds requirements through life than your own?

I think Julie and I get worked up the most about your problems because we have actually helped to try and solve or been around ALL of your problems, and each time something new comes up (not speaking for Julie) all that goes through my head is 'ah well... looks like another leo issue...'
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Leo, i am a regular member and i can see Fah + Julie have nothing against you. I can also see you have issues. Its normal if you got issues, you can change yourself for the better if something is bothering you in life. Please don't bring nonsense onto these forums.
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well, i just come here and and post what problem i have...
and it seem to be disturbing people here. what is the purpose of the forum if not trying to help others?

i dont comehere when i dont have a problems.
so, when i need you guys advises, i will then come.

its okay...then.
i dont understand why am i contridicting my self?
i post a problem that i face and worried about, then discussed about it...and you guys say im contricicting myself.
is it a problem with my english that you misunderstand my post?

my initial isue is.
i found a red feahter on my bird head...and asking anybody expiriance on it.
so, why is it a problem now?

i tried my best to get a vet to check it up (borrow from my friend), and as what i mentioned...
the vet here are mostly for cat and dog, the vet for bird is a general vet which i think have knowladge on birds not more then fah does.

what i do is, i got a problem, come here to discuss it, update on it and thats it. i dont see why im contridicting my self.

us marine, what kind of nonsense do i bring here? may u list it for me?
guys, what kind of nonsesne i bring here?
i m not really like those who going ot post every single thing my bird do, i just come here to post problem that i face?
is thet wrong? is that a nonsense?

i see its simply you guys misunderstood my post. like i said
i bring him to vet and the vet says,
you guys interprete it as "leo assumed that the vet is going to say..."
so what is the problem with that?

i dont get fah abiout mixing my post...
what u mean by i mixed my post?
are you get mixed up with tango 1 (flew away)and tango 2(recent 1), and bingo, the baby which died?

again, i just come here and post my problem.
then discuss it and get a solution. if the solution is within my mean, of course i will do it.
and follow up with update on the bird

since you guys say i mix up, i bring nonsense, and contridicting my self, you guys must have something that make you say that...

so what is it?
can share with me?

us marine, u say i have to be a better person, please tell me my nonsense 1st, or else it will be a nonsense that is come from you here
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I said IF. Not you do have problems. Leo, you just talk in circles. Good luck with your bird! Remember Leo, just watch your bird and things will be alright. :wink:
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in my place, there are no avian vet, thats why the 1st place i come when i have problem with the bird health is this forum.

and i dont see the reason why i want to contridict myy self unless its a misunderstanding due to my poor english
like all members here. i just want the best for my birds.

what do you mean i m talking in circle?
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They say one suggestion then you keep going if and what should you do. If you want to do something just do it for the bird, if not then don't. Leo, just relax your bird is fine.
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hi there
because i think its good to have more than 1 asnwer and alternatives...

okay, if that cause the problem, i will see...

buts sometime, i dont understand, it seems like you guys hate my post so much and delibrately miss interperate it...

i just find it very direct from julie, in the post, or pm...
u just dont know what she reply me when i pmher to ask how much generally baby ringneck of age 5 week old will eat....

its rather urgent regards to the baby, and she was there talking about plant and fighting fish that happen years back
honestly, i just find my self being hated and missinterprete all the time here
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You are worse then girlfriends Leo! lol.
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Here are some heads up for new readers wanting a quick adjustment as to whats going on.

1) Leo had a problem

2) We went through all the possibles, no luck

3) Blood test wont be done

4) Nothing more on these forums can be achieved for Leo

5) End of story and best luck to Leo in his endeavours. US, myself and Julie should refrain from taking part in these posts again, we know in ourselves its a bit of a fluff story, but lets just leave it at what we believe and let leo deal with his problems how he seems to feel is best.

I find it awefully stressful trying to help Leo, and I hope someone is willing to take up the flame, because I will not be interacting with this user again for my own peace of mind.

I could highly suggest to some admin here to lock this thread, unless they seem to believe by some micarulous turn of events... something positive can come from it.

Best of luck leo. Hope you sort your problem out.
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err, so its not okay to discuss problem here in deeper.
when you guys give solution, im thankful and i just wana discuss about it

us marine say im bringing nonsense
i beg you to tell me what nonsense

julie say i abuse my animals, and plant and i should be reported to authority
i beg julie to show me the prove of im abusing my animals

fah, im thanksful to you for giving me your solutions. but when i cant afford your solution, naturally i will ask for alternative.

you guys seems to hate me because i like to ask questions

in the past, i also ask for the behalf of my friend. may be too much problem asked from me...
but i dont understand why asking too much question bring julie to say i abuse my pets
and us marine to say its a nonsense

i think its best for me to leave,
but before i leave,
can u guys justify with me on where the nonsense come from, and things like why u guys hate me so much??

thanks...i really hope to hear form you guys...hear from you guys the reason of hating me

thansk alot
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Leo, I havnt wanted to post on your topics because you never take our advice.
When the first Tango escaped we all told you that you needed to put a lock on the cage before you considered getting another bird.
When you were going to get Bingo we said you should what because Tango hadnt been missing for very long, we also said that s/he didnt sound healthy.
We have told you that Tango needs a blood test but you wont listen to us so we dont know what eles to do but ignore you.
You are abusing your pets. Pets like humans need medical care and if you cant provide that its classified as abuse.
Dont post questions on here if your not going to listen to our anwsers!
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Hi Leo

I can tell you there is nothing wrong with the red feathers in your birds head in most cases they will molt out or fade as the bird gets older. It's nature it happens! Don't worry your bird is probably healthier then most of them.


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xx_sheena_xx wrote:Leo, I havnt wanted to post on your topics because you never take our advice.
When the first Tango escaped we all told you that you needed to put a lock on the cage before you considered getting another bird.
When you were going to get Bingo we said you should what because Tango hadnt been missing for very long, we also said that s/he didnt sound healthy.
We have told you that Tango needs a blood test but you wont listen to us so we dont know what eles to do but ignore you.
You are abusing your pets. Pets like humans need medical care and if you cant provide that its classified as abuse.
Dont post questions on here if your not going to listen to our anwsers!
1st, installing pad lock, you i did get a padlock and install it...
2nd, i know, i was too impulsive about bingo. i brought him to vet, only found it was too late.i can only find a vet that specialised on dog or general. no vet on avian. indian ringneck baby is really hard to find here. beside, im planing to get 1 more yellow. so if tango 1 return, i will be more than happy to keep both. if tango 1 never return, as the case, i would not have to wait for unknown time of period. i waited 4 years before i get tango 1. bingo was the 2nd yellow baby i saw, 1.5 years after i see yellow ringneck baby. and this tango come from a breeder friend that i happen to know. baby ringneck is very very rare here. they carry bad rap. really bad rap

i did brought tango 2 to vet. at least that is what i could do. the vet does not look even comfortablein handling bird. i ask the vet about the blood test. he seems very reluctant to answer it, and say the cost is 400 buck++. and the result is out after 1-2 months. so no point of me doing it. the facility is just not likein europe or US. so, i could say, there is not really any usefull medical care from vet here.

i tried to listen. but i have limitations. vet is not a very good choise as they are "guessing" on what happen to your bird as well.

i have admit in the other tread that i did not take what julie said well. about the nose being black.
but what can i do? i ask the breeder and he said its the chinese herbs and it makes the bird healthy. that time there was an outbreak and there was no vet (medical care) i could really trust. so,when you are in my situation, what will you do?
Hi Leo

I can tell you there is nothing wrong with the red feathers in your birds head in most cases they will molt out or fade as the bird gets older. It's nature it happens! Don't worry your bird is probably healthier then most of them.


take care
Donna
Hi Leo

I can tell you there is nothing wrong with the red feathers in your birds head in most cases they will molt out or fade as the bird gets older. It's nature it happens! Don't worry your bird is probably healthier then most of them.


take care
Donna :D
thanks alot donna. it was because i read that unusual colour in bird might b indication of health problem, thats why im paranoid. and this forum is the only source of expiriance based info i can really get.

in here, pet bird is not as precious as dogs. if the bird are sick, they do not bother much. just get another bird. thats why, there is very little story of sick bird recover here.there is little info about bird medication here. i am just living in the oposite situation as most you guys where bird are treated in much better way.
i bet you wont see cockroch in the bird drink in the pet store. !!!

thanks alot donna.
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