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Post by leo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:13 am

im making it very fast

tango is gone...

no body know,i just went back home, and couldent find tango in the cage...

he escape from the door of the food dish, i did not put in one of the food container today as i was sunning it, usually it was okay, but i don't know how he open door...

the window was open as usual, i was hoping he did not fly out, but he cant be found anywhere in the house...
guys, if i offend you in any way, please let me know....don't keep it to yourself....okay.tango is FE-male.............

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Post by Oliver and Justin » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:37 am

tango im so sorry for your loss.

Youll be in my thoughts.
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Post by Bella » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:55 am

have you search around locally for her?
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Post by leo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:00 pm

no. it was late at 11.20 pm when i found her gone....

i was planing to find him tomorow morning and absent for school...

but for that, i have to finish all the work to make up for tommorow absence
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Post by Aces Wild » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:03 pm

Oh no! I hope you are able to find her!!! Poor Tango! You are in my thoughts!
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Post by Amazonite » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:49 pm

oh noe that is sad Tango i hope you find her soon
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Post by leo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:02 pm

guys, im in a deep **** of trouble...

i was not really in the right mind since last night, and being grumpy fro not able to catch a sleep...

in the moning, i set out at 6, usually tango start to make morning call at 6.20

so i went around trying to find him in the middle of the brances...

it was already 7.45, i did not see tango at all...

then i went to the nearest birdmart(also the bigest bird mart in sinapore) thinking tango might be atracted to the morning call from the bird there

i saw one old man playing with 4-5 month blue irn baby and i aware enought that actually those baby are trying to attack his finger...

cruelly, he pinch the birds toe when he is grabing the cage bar until the baby scream and hung for few seconds (the toe was pinched, so, got hanged as the bird try to run away from pain) and he loughed...

i tell him not to do that, and he still do that. i did not know what im thinking, i punched him that he fainted...after a bout 20 minute, he woke up, and tell me that he will see me in the court

then i went back to my search of tango, i saw a bunch of crow cirling around, look like targeting on prey...and those was normal here...usually they pray on wild IRN

but the horror is, they are aiming for tango. i did not notice that untill i see 1 of them slaming in to the tree and saw tango fly off from thet tree and followed by the crows. he fly so fast and i cant follow them...

tango wing is semiclipped, surely he cant be faster than those crow and guys, im 99.99999999% sure tango was already eaten.

anybody, can tell me what to do....i don't know what to do too
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Post by Oliver and Justin » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:27 pm

i wuold go back and see if you could see where tango was when your saw her fly off.

Then search around there. If its close to your house she has to be around there somewhere.

Good luck.
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Post by Briony » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:15 pm

i hope u fnd her leo *hugs

and i wouldnve punched him as well, cruelty to animals is something i wont tolerate

good luck :)

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Post by pinkdevil » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:39 pm

Oh that is terrible news :(

I hope Tango is safe and well and will be coming back home for her dinner.

Even though it probably not the right thing to do....on the quiet I am glad you hit that cruel man.

Try not to give up hope on Tango just yet.

Keep looking and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and Tango.

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Post by leo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:48 pm

i ask the help of the bird mart personel to negociate with the man,
he said he will see what he can do

anyway, there was no news on tango yet, may be she has been in the stomach of the crows :cry:
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Post by leo » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:11 am

i asked the the shop owner to sue the man as he pinch the bird leg, so in this case, he will have to drop my case if he want the shop owner to drop his case...

over here the pinching bird legs is as heavy as shop lifting, i hope it will work, if not i will be sent back and my student pass in singapore will be terminated... :cry:
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Post by countrygal_cc » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:42 am

Leo, I was shocked to get your e-mail about losing tango. I hope you will find tango I would go out and keep searching for her if she knows that one area a lot maybe she will stay in that area and I hope the crows did not get her. I sure don't blame you for punching that guy you are under a lot of stress without tango and then to see someone being mean to an irn would throw me over the edge too. I always use bread ties or trash bag ties to close the cages you are supposed to never leave all cage doors without a tie on them one time I had buttercup outside and I didn't have a tie on her cage well I looked outside in just the right time and she was sitting on top of the cage from then on I have never went without a tie if you can't find tango and get another irn please remember to do this it is sad when you lose your birds and I hope in my heart you will find tango. I wouldn't want to lose cupcake. Cupcake still can't fly good. Tangos wings must have been pretty growed out to take off and fly... Let me know if you find tango. Misty
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Post by Lauren » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:35 pm

:cry: Oh LEO! I am sooo sorry!! I'm shocked!! Cant imagine how your feeling right now. *BIGGEST HUGS!* Stay strong sweetheart! I'm wishing Tango will return and the crows left him alone. :( Keep looking. He wont be far away.

Oh Leo, I'd punch that guy too! Animal cruelty is disgusting and I hope that guy gets a heavy sentence. Can you argue that you were not in the right mind because of the loss of your beloved pet?

My thoughts are with you. :(
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Post by greeny » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:19 am

This is a story so sad I almost cannot read it. I am so sorry Leo, so, so sorry.

You never know, maybe there will be luck and Tango will get away or something will happen good.

As for the man, well, he was being cruel to a baby bird. You can say you just pushed him to try and stop him, something like that. I would be totally angry at sucha man too and it was wrong what he was doing. No wonder some birds become so distrustful of people.

I am so shocked and sad about what is going on with Tango. We all support you here and hope for the best.

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Post by leo » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 am

i was just out from the jail, he put the case on pending
tommorow we wil negociate with him again

tango has never been seen again, but the cage was still at the window
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Post by Fah » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:29 pm

Heya. Unfortunately the law in most countires, regardless of their stance against animal cruelty, will not lean "lightly" against a person who throws a punch.

I loath animal cruelty, however in Australia, one of the countries with great animal cruelty regulations, a person who hits another person in a dispute such as this will face assault charges.

Your heightened emotions might be a valid good behaviour pass, however if you want to act the part, act regretful and not like a vigilanty doing justice for the animals....

I am sorry for your loss.

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Post by alana8819 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:09 pm

leo am so sorry to hear tango got away i know exactly how you feel i was distraught when cookie flew away and it is horrible to see other birds swoop them and try to attack them exactly what happened to cookie many hugs

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Post by Darlene » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:17 am

Leo, IRNs are tough and they are little survivors. So mabey it isn't too late and there is still hope. I really feel your pain and sadness. If your baby doesn't make it back, mabey it would help you to at least rescue one of the blue IRNs that was being torchured. In Leos memory. But I will still hope that Tango will be found. :cry:

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Post by leo » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:57 am

hi, thanks for everybody's support and concern...

the punching case was settled, actually, h was a parrot lover and wanted to keep parrot, but failed for afew times as the shopkeeper he bought the parrot and supplies from give him wrong teaching ( keep buying toys and medication )...his parrots were become agrasive, teritorial and screamers... so he gave up, frustation bring him to hate parrot as he already spent thousand for the lies and think parrots suck, but

he wanted to try to keep 1 more parrot and wanted me to guide him,
so we are friend now, even though im 19 and he is 49(he look like 55 to me, hehe)

anyway, about tango,hmmmmmmmmmm
cant find him, i miss her so much....... :cry:
still searching though
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Post by laine » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:18 am

Soooo sorry to hear about Tango. Keep looking out for her as you never know what may happen. Hugs and thoughts to you xxx
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Post by leo » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:06 am

thanks alot guys...

alana, justasking,how you feel when you lost cookie?
reallysory to dig back the old memories, but
i felt some how tango will return to me, just a very strong feeling and it make me felt unconfortable...

very unconvertable...
you felt that way before? any ways to deal with it?

anyway, i know i shouldnot hung too much hope there...
guys, if i offend you in any way, please let me know....don't keep it to yourself....okay.tango is FE-male.............

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Post by leo » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:38 pm

the man whom i punched agreed to purchased all the 4 baby blue IRN and 3 big cages.
he ask me to help him tame the bird. by coming to his house everyday and help him interect with the bird till they are okay. 1 section S$20, he insisted.
and he will give me 1 of them...
guys, if i offend you in any way, please let me know....don't keep it to yourself....okay.tango is FE-male.............

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Post by kyria » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:53 am

:( What a terrible ordeal you have been through .. I am so sorry. Prayers for you and for tango .. Hugs !
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Post by leo » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:19 am

i saw tango today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he did not die.......i dont know how he escaped, but i saw her with a bunch of IRN, the greens...but, his wing is beeding and i called him, but he ignores me :cry: ...

but he look depress there,like all the other IRN don't want him, i asked the shop keeper, he said, the rest don't want him because 1st, he is clipped, he can't fly seen to them as sick bird, and she is yellow,they wil become a target of predator...

but i don't understand, why she ignore me? i keep searching where she flies...she is strugling to follow the bunch, but loook like there is 1 old male attracted to her...

anyway, im not too sure she is tango...
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You should be making plans to get your bird back.

Post by Ed Loschi » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:03 am

Hey--

It is probably your bird and you should immediately expend every effort to recapture her.

If you do not capture her she will most surely be taken by a predator.

If you are clever enough to get her back then you need to carefully assess your cage set-up and fix what allowed her to escape.

Don't post, don't go to school, don't go out, don't do anything else until you succeed in retrieving your bird.

--Hurry up.

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Post by leo » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:14 am

i tried to catch up with where they are going, they flew to the tree across the big semen fench of an old fectory, i tried to figure how to go there, but no body know how to...

some told me it is illegal to enter the land, but the flock get out of sight really fast, once the leader flew, all flew, including the yellow 1. and what worse, i cant go near them. tango choose to follow the flock, not me...

so, when i come nearer abit, all the bird get ready to fly, a little more nearer, they fly, so do tango...

it make me think it she is not tano, may be some other escape lut...

but i hope she is tango and i can catch her again
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Post by leo » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:41 am

just now i went back home at 5 ++
i heard tango form outside...

i look around outside...hoping that it was tango voice...
i went down and look around, till it about 7, and dark, i think i cant find her int eh darkness..

i lost track of it again, but tommorow, imgoing to go home late...
so, im thinking of an idea, i print a picture of me, from neck to head, in A3 size paper, then hung it besie tango cage...

i know it is supper lame idea...but, i really cant think anything better than that...

ifeel tango coming nearer...
thanks for all your support
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Post by Raja's_mom » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:25 pm

Thats great news that you saw her you have to keep trying she will be back in your loving hands if you don't give up anything is worth a try if she can find her way back to your house the n she will come to her old cage mabie she followed you home after she saw you and she was with that other flock of birds there is a very good chance that happened because you are her flock member and if those other birds don't want her she might have decided she is better off with her old flock and followed you. Pat
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Post by leo » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:17 am

YEAH BABY...
TNAHKS FOR EVERYONE SUPPPORTS...

I GOT GOOD NEWS,


TANGO COME BACK...

I DONT KNOW HOW, BUT I FOUND HER NAPPING IN THE CAGE WHEN I CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL. I OPEN THE DOOR AT 3.56, SAWHER IN THE CAGE...

THE WING BLEED ALOT, NUMBERS OF CUT INTHE LEGSAND ALOT OF BROKEN TAIL FEATHER...

DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPEN, BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE...

JSUT COME HOME FROM CELEBRATION FOR HER RETURN... :lol:
ONCE AGAIN...THANKS ALOT
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VERY GOOD LUCK. And really good news.

Post by Ed Loschi » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:55 am

Hey,

You and Tango are very lucky. The cuts and scrapes she has are from the wild IRN's she tried to get with, she'll heal.

You absolutely must bird proof your home; especially the room you keep Tangos cage in.
You must figure out how she escaped from her cage and then from the room you had her in--and you must fix both those causes...mechanical or behavioral or whatever.

She might be a good candidate for flight feather clipping and intensive rounds of step-up commands.

You and Tango dodged a real tragedy. A good lesson.

Good news she is back.

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Post by pinkdevil » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:03 pm

WOW leo I am soooooo happy for you.

Tango is home!!!!!! YAY

See she DOES love you, never underestimate the power of love from animals.

Like Ed mentioned, definately Tango Proof your home and her cage. Don't want to have to go through that ordeal again.

Hey, the pic must of worked hey, :wink:


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Post by Darlene » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:00 am

:D Leo, I am so happy that Tango is alive and chose to come back home to you. I told you IRNs are tough and they are smart. They are little survivors. You are very lucky you got her back and she came back to where she knew she was safe. You will need to treat her wounds and feed her a good diet and watch her for any health problems after her ordeal. I am so happy for you. Good luck
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Post by leo » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:22 am

yeah, thanks...
i went for medicaltest today...the vet said she is okay, but the vet is annormal vet, not avianvet...

she is so stressed and become so clingy...
she scream as soon as i got off her sight...

guys, i think the photo think work really wel...
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Post by leo » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:27 pm

here are some picture of tango feather condition after heshe return

the wing feather is where alot of blood found...
but i let her bath as soon as i saw her...

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i dont know how she can survive in this kind of wing condition...
trimmed and injured...
also i got no idea how she escape the crows...i really cant think of any posible answer...darlene,you are totally right,they are survivor...

here also someinjury of the tail
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Post by Karla010507 » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:49 pm

Leo, :) :) :)

:D I am so happy :D that Tango came back to you. You are so lucky to have her back because when birds escape and fly away it is hard for owners to get them back again. Your love, prayers. and hard work looking for her brought her back to you. I know that with lots of love, care, and attention that you give her she will recover from her wing, tail, and leg and be back to her normal Tango again. Pepe my IRN sends friendly kisses to Tango. :) :) :)
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Post by leo » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:41 am

thanks karla...
when you become an owner of certain animal, i think you will grow the instinc and gut feling for your pets. i lost hope when saw tango being chased by crows, but my feeling was so strong that keep me waiting. i hung on the 0.000001 % of chances that she will return...

for all members, pals, please don't throw away your pets when they bite and say, s/he got no hope to be tame again...

there is always hope, as long as you don't give up...

once again, thanks every body here...

your prayer bring her back to me :lol:
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Post by ryelle » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:05 pm

Congratz Leo on findin you baby :) its good that you never gave up hope.

hope Tango heal's well and get's back to her normal self. She's probably just anxious of you leaving her cus of what the poor birds just been through.

a few weeks ago i left one of spit's food dishes out to disinfect it and he crawled out of the tiny hole o.O luckily we were in the same room when he got out. accidents are so easy to make

very lucky outcome ^^

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Post by Amazonite » Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:13 pm

Thats awsome Leo that Tango came back to you, those are nasty breaks she got , but im sure with love and care from you she will be better in no time.

Well done for not giving up :)
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Post by Darlene » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:53 pm

Hi Leo :)
If you can get some ( Alo Vera ) to use the juice on Tangos wounds, it will sooth and help her heal and keep her clean. The alo vera is good to put on sore spots, it helps to take the pain away and speeds up healing. And Tango may get a gray color to her feathers. It means she was under stress when she got out and was being attacked. But it's like Pat said, Tango probably saw you and heard you and followed you home. And Indian Ringnecks are smart. They are strong for the size bird they are. And with all of these things going for her, she was able to find her way back home. And with your love and careing to not give up looking for her, it helped her. And she is a parrot, but may have a natural homeing instinct. If her feathers get barring or turn gray from stress. Don't worry, when she molts and she is healed up, her feathers will return to her normal beautiful bright yellow color when new feathers grow in. So try to keep her from getting stressed any more and she will get back to normal.
Good luck, and please stay in touch.
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Post by leo » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:56 am

thanks alot, today has not been any better...

but the feather does not turn gray...stil yellow...
she refuse to bath, because she sit onthe floor, the feather very dirty...

she bites too...like really defensive and bite out of fear...

i got the whole alovera...what should i do with it//

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Post by Darlene » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:45 pm

:) Leo, Tango has been through a bad ordeal, with confusion of finding herself in the wild, being swooped on by crows and haveing to fight for her life, and being chased away by her own wild species and probably attacked by them too. Her wanting to stay on the floor is from two things. 1) her feathers are damaged, so she feels safer grounded. 2) She was probably attacked while she was in the trees or trying to fly. So she has a fear that she is dealing with right now. The biteing is, becouse she has been traumatised and had to fight. She isn't biteing becouse she hates you, not at all. She is sore and don't want to be handled, and she doesn't trust anything right now. It is for Tangoes best interest to bath her even if it upsets her, to help reduce the chance of infection from her wounds. She needs to be kept clean to heal. Also it would make her feel less afraid to use a towel to pick her up and cover her with when you need to handle her. After she has time to settle down and get better, you need to begin to interact and handle her again, to build her trust in you. ... to use the aloe vera, you cut off a piece of the leaf. Inside the leaf is the liquid. take a Q Tip, and wet it in the liquid of the cut leaf, until the Q Tip is wet. Then apply the liquid to each sore spot and wound that you see. Do this at least two times a day. It helps reduce the pain and helps to heal. In a few days you should see that she isn't as sore and is healing. Tango has been stressed from her ordeal. If you do see some graying or barring happening, don't worry, it will go away when she molts after she is better. But mabey her feathers won't bar or gray.
I believe Tango survived, becouse of her intellegance, and she is a female Indian Ringneck. They can be very aggressive sometimes. It may be what saved her. Also, Tango may have bad dreams at night for a while. It is a good thing to lower her night time perch and don't have other perches under it. So if she falls off her perch at night from haveing a bad dream, she might not get hurt from hitting perches under her.
I hope this will be helpful. Tango will know you are helping her and she will grow more bonded to you, even if she does bite, have patients and be gentle and she will get better. Sorry this was so long. A lot to say
Be Happy :)
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Post by Lauren » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:18 am

:D :D :D LEO IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU AND TANGO!! When I first read this thread I felt a lump in my thoat and was teary eyed.. What an ordeal you have both been through. Best wishes for Tangos recovery. This has made my day! Darlenes got some great advice there. :wink:
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Post by leo » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:07 pm

hi, thnaks darlene, tango ound on the leg getting worse, she always sit on the floor, and i think she start got infection...

i think fi i did not clean it with aloe it will be much worse by now...
but this morning i saw the wound getting awful...

i but 1 piece of wood block on tyhe cage base, but she dont wana pearch, she eating well, still bite a bit, but the cut always get contact with the droppings and it make it worse....

this morning i chnage the paper and i put hamstrer bedding( the woody pieces thingy) hoping that the dropping will be absorb and cover by the bedding.

i can start seeing a few feather paling...she fuffle her featehr alot, i think she is bearing with the pain on her leg...

from what i think, i have to stop the contact with the droppings...

any idea or sugestion...\
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Post by Darlene » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:59 pm

Hi Leo, from what you say about the wound on Tangos leg looking worse, I wouldn't wait, it sounds like a vet needs to see and treat the wound with antibiotic before it gets any worse. The Aloe will help the healing, but Tango has been in contact with wild birds and the stress of being lost and attacked can lower her immunes, so she can't fight off any infection. She just might need a jump start of antibiotic to get the wound started healing. Then the Aloe will help. You don't know what Tango was exposed to from other birds, so it will take some careful watching of her health or any complications from the wounds.
About keeping her away from her droppings. If Tango is not perching, becouse of the injured leg and is staying on the bottom of her cage, I have the same thing with our Luna. Becouse she is disabled and not able to perch yet. I don't use hamster bedding becouse it can have wood chips that are toxic from the kind of wood it is made from. I have a lot of clean towels that I use in the bottom of Luna's cage. I change the towels as they become soiled. I also clean her feet if needed with a wet paper towel. I think useing clean towels instead of hamster bedding is better, while she is not perching. And you will need to handle Tango to clean her feet when needed. This should be temporary until she is perching again. I change the towels often and empty any loose material from the towels then I put them in the washer and dryer and they are ready to use as needed. I find this works good and Luna is never allowed to live with her droppings. We just got used to this routine and Luna is healthy and has a clean envirnment. But with Tango this should be temporary, until she starts healing. Make sure to watch her to see that she isn't chewing at the wound. And keep useing the Aloe. It can only help her heal and relieve pain. But have a vet look at her leg as soon as possable.
To handle Tango to care for her while she is injured, will help the bonding and trust. Luna likes to be wrapped in a towel and cuddled. It is so sweet and cute :)

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Post by leo » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:38 pm

yup, i brough her to vet, but the vet sux, he kept saying tango is fine and does not need any medication...

i will try using the towel...

i will buyy the anti infection for children...
hope it will work
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Post by Darlene » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:29 pm

Leo, I hope the vet is right about Tango, if he says she is fine. But if you don't trust that vet to know what he is talking about, then you will need to draw on your own resorces to do everything you can to help Tango heal. If she is eating good and eliminating normal, that is one good thing. Keep useing the Aloe vera. I have read on other sites where vets sent the bird home to die, becouse there was nothing more they could do. So the breeder used aloe vera to feed to the sick parrot, and it recovered. Aloe can be fed as internal treatment as much as external. They call it the miracle plant. The other day, I burned my arm on the hot oven door and it was really painful and getting worse, so I used aloe on it and in 15 minutes the pain was going away and it isn't even blistering. The towels I use are the cotton bar mop towels in Lunas cage. I keep a basket full of them. They are just the right size and they are soft and comfortable for Tango. and easy to change.

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Post by leo » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:21 am

thanks darlene, the vet is not avian vet
i dont trust them, tango eating well, he can walk as per normal,but she refuse to pearch for a week and so already,and she is getting worse...

i skip my class, hehe...i scared the hamster bedding toxicate the wound, so i changed the paper, aply the anty infection med and use the towel...

but she freak out and run away like mad...

so i make the floor bar higher and decided to chage the paper twice a day...
usually i change it 2-3 days once...

hm, darlene, did you recieve my pm about the magnetic thraphy for internal injury?

what do you think?
can give me your few?

want to write a report for the organisation i work in...

thnaks alot
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Post by kyria » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:43 am

That is the BEST NEWS !!! such a releaf .. very happy for you and tango :D cherrish every moment !
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Post by leo » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:27 am

sorry, i was busy in school and home internet has been down...

tango already start pearching again...his wound healing well,..

the cage setup goes back to normal...

but he still have behaviour problem, biting, screaming, scared and have night fright sometimes.
alot of time, he relexed on my room, shouldr, or table, then suddenly just jump and got freak out...

still give him alovera, it really work...thanks alot darlene...

he start talking again, he can say tango, what you doing, yeeeees? come ooooooon, don be noughty please...., and listen to me....

but all he said only when i was prscticing my piano (only)and she said it like someone talking without tongue...very mumbly, but understanable to me

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Post by Raja's_mom » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:00 am

I'm ao hAPPY THAT TANGO found her way back to you the last time I was here and you saw her but she left with the flock of wild Irn's I just had such a feeling that she new you where there for her and when you left she fallowed you. You are her true flock so why would she stay with the other flock if you weren't going too. I'm so glad that she is healing you are a very good Parront to you bird Give her some time to get over all that has kappened to her and she will be your loving pet again in no time. This is a wonderful story for others to read when they lose there birds. It gives everybody a little help to never give up There is always a way as long as you don't quit Iám so very happy that this story has a happy ending and don't give up on her because I feel certain that she will be back to her normal loving self very soon I hope My IRN is as smart as Tango she out smarted those crows and got away from the wild flock that attacked her and even found a way to come home to you wow thats a very very smart little bird you have there.
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Post by Darlene » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:48 am

:D Hi Leo, It is good to hear from you about Tango and that she is doing better. About the night frights, she will sleep better and stop haveing the night frights, but it will take time, becouse she has a good memory and it will take time for her to feel safe about going to sleep. But just keep doing what you are doing, be there for her and give her lots of attention and love and little treats.
About the talking. When Luna started talking again, it sounded like it did when she first started talking, just a lot of garbel at first. Then she figured it all out again. But she didn't want us to hear her talk until she got better . So the talking will take some time to get back like it was. But she is working on it. :lol:
So glad that Tango is getting better. Mabey Tango picked up on the screaming from the wild IRNs, I think they do that for contact calls.
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Post by leo » Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:16 am

thanks alot guys...
i need your help now, urgent......

hi...tango just pick up a anew hobby...

chewing her feather... :cry:

the new grown feather that last time injured and regrow was destroyed again...i saw the new feather on the base of the cage with a bit of blood at the tip of it( im sure she forced pluged it)
she is now proceeding to the trimmed wing feather as the new fether is plucked off...the trimmed featehr almost just left with the feather bone...

she also develope into screamer.....
from 5.30 in the mornign to 8 at night(if the light is off) non-stop.....
no more cahtering...the whole day just ear piercing squaking...

sometime my land lord cant take it and put her into the toilet and off the light, she will scream even louder.......

last time when he do something bad, i will said stop it and she will, now, she will look at me into the eyes and give me the worse 1...
she also bite everybody she sees, incuding me...anybody wolk pass the cage, she will lounge and make the "arrrrrrrrrrrrr" sound...

i should say the legs has almost perfecly recover....

she sound taally evil rigth?
is is what she is becoming within few days...

my most concern anyway, is the feather plucking(no mites)
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Post by leo » Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:40 pm

guys, you gotta help me soon...
or
last nite my land lord want me to throw tango away or changer bird, they say"she is too noisy,i cant take the it,...got to wake up at 5.30 everyday" this time, i really cant blame them, but i will make sure she stay....

in the morning, 6 am. 1 neighbour come and knock the door for complain and said will call the authority to handle this issue, the, short while later 2 more from downstair do the same...

all i said is i will dosomething about it...but i don't know what to do now...

guys, please help......................................................thanks alot
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Post by Darlene » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:45 am

I am sorry to hear about the problem with Tango screaming. and plucking her feathers. Usually the rescue places that takes in parrots that have behavior problems, finds that it is diet or a health problem that is makeing them feel bad. And the parrots that come into the rescue places with behavior problems have been victims of abuse. And are traumatized. It takes a lot of patients and care and giveing them time to recover from there bad treatment or neglect.
In Tangos case she was in the wild and was attacked and went through a bad experience the whole time she was gone. Birds get emotional problems very easy when they have been traumatized. Tango was beaten and battered when she got back and even if her leg is healing, her emotional problems are there.
Also Tango was in the wild and it might have brought out an instinct to go wild. So her screams could be contact calls. Mabey if she had anouther bird in a cage next to her for a companion, but not to put them togather, it might settle her down so she is more content.
I wish If it were possable, I would offer to give Tango a good home, if you aren't able any longer to keep her. She is a beautiful IRN and is smart. I hope things works out for you.

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Post by leo » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:21 am

thanks alot darlene, the rescue place i worked in suggested collar, we all along used collar as the plucker we had so far is big species...

i dont think collar for tango is best solution, may be im going to try the anty feather pluging spray... i can get from the place im working in...but it so far dont work at all...

after i read your post, i try give tango a mirror, just a min ago...
she jump and thrash around...so i took the mirror away

now, she is quiet, but standing high in the position of defence...

i dono what to do with him now...
really giving me a headache

darlene, about the magnecitc theraphy, i will chek the price for you and send the picture after my exam passed...
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Post by Darlene » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:12 am

Hi Leo,
After reading your post about Tango plucking and screaming behavior, I wouldn't go with the collar either. It really isn't the answer to what is wrong. You have to find out what is wrong and make adjustments and treat the problem. It seems that the plucking and screaming came up after Tango returned from being in the wild. It always helps to understand your bird and try to think and feel like she does.
I have learned from research on Indian Ringnecks species, and from haveing Luna who has taught us a lot about instincts and behavior traits, that the IRN will go wild easily. They are independant by nature and don't need large flocks as do some other species of parrots. But they will suffer from lonelyness if they are an only bird. Becouse they still do have a need for a flock to belong to. Tango was raised as a domestic human raised parrot. She knew nothing about the wild until she excaped. Then her experience was not good. You are her human flock. But Tango may feel displaced in her human environment now that she has had a taste of the wild which she has instincts for. Now you need to heal her and treat her for her emotional needs. I know what the rescue santuaries do to rehabilitate parrots for adoption. Most of the time, they start by retameing the parrot again to human touch and voice and reduceing there stress level. Keeping there environment clean and comfortable and low noise and activities around them to start. You can get Tango used to your touch and voice again. If she is your only bird, you will need to spend extra time with her just being near her to comfort her. Then retrain her to allow being handled and held useing a day time routine with her so she knows what time of day to expect this interaction and will look foreward to the attention.
Give her things to shred and chew. Females like to make nesting materials. If this time of year is the breeding season where you are, Tango may settle down more after breeding season passes. There are some bird medications to help calm them, or natural herbal treatments that are calming to your parrot.
So I think Tango can and may return to normal again, but you may have to start over with tameing and training. Putting her in a dark room only upsets her more and is doing more harm.
Also, Move her cage away from the window so she can't see outside.
It may be helpful to consider getting another companion bird to be in a cage next to her when you are away, so she won't have to be alone for hours at a time.
I hope you don't think I am being too helpful. I just want to help you work out the problem so Tango and you can be happy again.
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Post by leo » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:36 pm

thanks alot darlene...

i try to atay neah her, she just lounge and scream even harder when i was near...
really really loud...
i tried give her the sunflower seeds, she refuse to do the old easy trick she had mastered before(she is did it 1st 2 days she arive back here)

neither me want to put him into the toilet, but thats beyond my control, having neigbour complain, strenthen my landlord decision to put him in to the toilet

now, she is the type that like she know what the human don lke and she will surely and purposely do it...

still chewing ......the moment i hear no noice, mean she is chewing...
about the chewing, the anti feather spray does not work at all.........
i will try to spray it with aloe solution
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Post by leo » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:41 pm

hmm, or is it that she feel itchy or soehow irritated on the new grown feather that she pluck, then as it is irritate her, make her moody which lead to biting and creaming?
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Post by Darlene » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:43 am

Yes, it is very possable that Tango is feeling uncomfortable with pulling damaged feathers and new feathers growing in can be sore. Luna gets cranky when she molts and looses old feathers. She will find them and help pull the old feather. Then she growels when we touch her where the new feather is comming through, becouse it is sore. And I use the aloe to treat the sore spots. It helps to sooth the sore or uncomfortable spot.
You will need to try anything you can to find out what her problem is that is makeing her aggressive and grumpy.
I think it would'nt hurt her if you put a small towel over her to pick her up with and just pick her up and hold her until she stops protesting and lets you hold her for a while. Luna has learned to enjoy the cuddling time. She likes us to hold her while she goes to sleep and has a little nap. Even if Tango freaks for a while, she will stop and settle down if you just stroke her on her head. You will start to see her getting sleepy and relaxing. And just talk softly to her.
Tango may still be in ( fight mode ) and the cuddling time will help retrain her to be handled and learn to trust you again. And that time of cuddling will help to sooth her nerves. And she will learn to trust you again and feel safe when you are holding her and stroking her on her head and back of her neck. Parrots like that.
I have learned from breeders and rescue places and other soarces, that it is a common problem with parrots to suffer from toxic reactions to things they were exposed to. You don't know what Tango has been exposed to or in contact with. But after some parrots with a severe plucking and screaming problem has been detoxed, they immediatly feel and act better and in general just improve. It is recommended to give your pet parrot a detoxifying formula about two times a year. And there is an aloe vera detox formula that removes toxins from the liver and blood. I mix aloe juice in Lunas water. And some breeders give the aloe leaf to there parrots. Luna wouldn't eat it, so I put the aloe in a hand feeding formula and hand feed to her. And she never has a health problem.
There are differant things to consider to find the problem and treat it. But one thing that will help is to spend time retameing her to be handled and be near her every minute that you can. I believe Tango will get better. It will just take some extra attention and trying differant things until you find what she responds to.
Think possitive :wink:

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Post by leo » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:14 am

she still going mad, even she had consumed the alovera juice and i bath her with alovera....

like getting worse everyday...
become super evil bird............
i want my old tango :( :cry:
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Post by leo » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:25 pm

this morning i was thinking...
if you want to forget fomething, you have to keep yourself busy...
tango migh not be able to forget her trauma for 1 sec, thats why she is making a fuss from the sec she wake up...

she also ignore all the toys, she only busy screaming whole day...

i came across with this idea..
i took a tooth brush cap, then put a big sun flower seed inside(so it won't come out from the hole...

then i give it to him...

she spent the whole morning till now plaing and cracking her brain to open it...
today is peacefull quiet morning...

then i took her out and she play the cap on my table while i m studying now...
hope after this, she will remeber more of her happy time here...instead of the tregedy
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Post by Darlene » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:25 am

Hello Leo,
It is good news that Tango is beginning to play and try to solve problem games. This entertains her and makes her tired enough to rest instead of screaming.
Here is a recent upgrade information on parrots. Parrots have been moved into the top listing for intelegance of animal species. Parrots are now listed with apes, elephants and dolfins in intelegance.
So it means that your parrot needs mental stimulation as much as you can give her, or she can suffer from boredom and depression. So to keep her challenged for active toys, foreaging toys, climbing toys and problem solveing toys. You may have found one answer to Tangos problem in makeing her a foreging toy. Female IRNs like to shred paper and other safe materials. IRNs are little chewers and need clean non toxic wood to chew.
Also, if Tango comes out of her cage and is free to run around the house and play and be active, she will learn to be content again.
Parrots are sensitive and it takes them longer to learn to trust again and to get back to normal after they have been traumatized. They can have bad dreams and live in fear during there wakeing hours. It isn't a physical wound, but still an emotional wound that takes longer to heal.
When the tragic accident happened to Luna with the drawer falling on her, it is now 18 monthes ago, if we carry a box into the room that looks like the drawer, Luna freaks. She is afraid of anything that looks like that drawer. So we make sure she does not see us carry things into the room where she is. And we give Luna a lot of love and fun things to do.
So it is a good sign that Tango is turning her attention to playing with toys you make for her.
How old is Tango? Does she step up on your finger after she got back home? Or will you need to teach that to her again?
Good luck and stay patient and keep working with her. She will get back to Tango again. :)

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Post by pinkdevil » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:00 am

Another thing I was just thinking that maybe Tango is screaming, maybe she can hear the other IRNs calls and is answering them as she has spent time with them and has formed a slight bond. Just a thought. :)


It is great news that Tango has been quiet for you today. :) Good on you for trying to help her and solve her screaming problem and not just give up on her. Sounds like she really took a liking to the hiding seed treat.
Very ingenious of you Leo to think of something as simple as that! :)

Well done!!! :D

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Post by Aldeleen » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:00 am

OH Leo-- i read this post and i cried-- sat here at my desk and i cried!

I felt your pain and distress when you came home and Tango was gone-- My Pi-ko did the same thing and escaped through a open window whilst i was at work! IT WAS TERRIBLE! But i found him-- or rather someone found him-- I MADE POSTERS AND PUT UP A REWARD!!

But my second birdy -Lily- flew away about 2months ago and its still haunts me to this day... she was not tame though and there was not much i could do-- i made posters and searched for her but i never found her back.. SHAME MY POOR LILY BABY!

Im delited that tango returned home
, you are very lucky!


I want to say that i praise your determination with Tango, with thinking and figuring out ways to get her get over her trauma! GOOD FOR YOU! you are taking good care of her!!! WELL DONE!!

I am 100% sure that Tango will return to her calm and loving self soon!! Keep working with her and play all the time-- make fun things for her!!!

Keep us posted LEO!!!

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Post by leo » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:29 am

thanks guys, today tango went through her day well and tired...
she took hours figuring out to open the cap, but she is smart enough to eat the s.flower seed without opening the thing...she just use the tip of the beak to reach the seed and slowly crushed it, so it can come out from the hole...

then after that, i gave her again, she took less than 2 min to eat the treat..
that was about almost 6pm...

after that, she just sit on the side of my study table and preen her self quietly and yawn...
so i put her in early...

she did not bite or being agrasive, was much like the old tango today...hope tommorow will be better...



How old is Tango? Does she step up on your finger after she got back home? Or will you need to teach that to her again?


she is about 11-12 month...she step up and still did all the trick she knew, but become crazy after about 3 days of return, ithink because of the infection on the leg

maybe she can hear the other IRNs calls and is answering them

may be,but i think not, coz her screaming was like relly terrorizing, really to the top and the she was so agresive...


Im delited that tango returned home
, you are very lucky!



yup, im supper lucky, i was almost almost give up, tell myself, hanging my big face on the wall was like totally emberessing and make me look like an self obsesed freak, but that was the last card i can play, and i won...hehe...

thanks for all the suport...
i hope tango will be better tommorow and the feather chew thing, hopefully got better too
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Post by Melika » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:03 pm

Wow, I've missed a lot. I'm so happy you got Tango back! What a ride. :shock: How scary and frustrating. I'm glad you and Tango are working through this together. And that she's returning a little bit to her normal self, you willing to help her. :D
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Post by leo » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:50 am

the update for today:

yesterday is btter than yesterday...
but today she is doing pretty well too...

she do scream abit, but she dont find the tooth brush cap game interesting animore as she know the trick...

but she is much calmer than previous day...
sometime she is so calm and in the next second, she become crazy and lounch at me...

got bitten nastily abit today...

the feather chewing, yes, she still doing it...
im lost of what to do...
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Post by Darlene » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:34 pm

Hi Leo
about the feather pulling. Is Tango makeing bare spots on her from the feather biteing? Or is she trying to pull the damaged feathers she had when she came home? I'm thinking if she has no bare spots from plucking herself, then she may just be trying to remove damaged feathers that are bothering her. Some may be blood feathers and some mature feathers that were damaged. Mabey she knows instinctively what she is doing, but if it doesn't stop after she has replaced the damaged feathers, then there has to be anouther reason she has started that behavior.
It sounds like Tango is being more like a typical little female IRN. They can be aggressive and bite sometimes. And concidering her age she may be getting closer to adult age and may have some typical female behaviors. It can be about dominance. There are good ways to train your parrot not to bite.
You can research the biteing behavior and what is the most typical cause and how to train your parrot out of the biteing, screaming and plucking problems. Now is when you may have some training to do becouse she is in a pre adult or adolecent stage.
Hope this helps.
The parrot training says they will bite to show dominance or to get attention. If you react when she bites and yell OWW! Or say Stop IT! You are giveing her reinforcement for her biteing and she will do it again becouse she likes the attention and reaction she is getting from you. So no matter how it hurts or how angry you get, you shouldn't show it on your face or voice. Just go away and come back later and try again. until Tango learns that biteing will only make you go away and she won't get what she wants. :lol: LOL! I know it is hard to keep from reacting to a painful bratty little bite. You have to go against your natural reaction to it.
When Luna was about Tangos age, we never knew when she was going to lunge & bite. But she did grow out of it with some training.

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Post by leo » Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:59 pm

darlene, you promised want to post luna pic...hehe...we are waiting...

hmm, tango bite is followed by histeryc fright, she can preen her self and sudenly jump off of fright, if you are near her, he will get frighten out of no reason and attack out of fear...

tango quieq sensitive toward the word"no biting"...she was trained to stop biting(most cases is chewing) when i said that...
that word som how shooting her feeling...
at times(before the escape) she got too excited with the play and pinned and got crazy, when i said "hey, no biting, okay" (i did it in very friendly tone) she will be relex...

after the the escape, this did not work except for the 1st 3 day of return and these last 2 day before i post this...

unless, she got frighten and bite, which is too fast for me to see, she still manageble...

for the screaming, i really cant help, my land lord use to shout at her when she creams, so, kind of serve them right...but the screaming is much lesser since the last 2 days...

feather chewing, she already pluged the newly grown feather, but she is chewing the trimmed wing feather...
not sure why, kind of worried that she will continue to the upper wing and then body...

i was thinking to trimmes away the chewed trimmed feahter...
i mean like the trimmed feather actually quiet long(thats why she can fly back) and maybe i should shorten it at least shoten it to the damage level...

any suggesstion?

thanks alot
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Post by Oliver and Justin » Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:37 pm

Leo,

When tango settles down i would trim her wings anyway. So that way she cant fly, so she doesnt escape again. That would be the smartest thing to do.
-Justin

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Post by Darlene » Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:10 pm

Leo,
I have uploaded Lunas pics to photobucket, but when I try to send pics to this forum they don't show. Now Lunas pics are flying around out there in cyber space. I feel so stupid :? I must be trying to make it harder then it is. They say we humans only use 10% of our brain capacity. In my case it must be like einstein. he couldn't do simple math. :lol: I will have to get someone here with me who can tell me what I am doing wrong. I have tried two times and nothing is happening. So while I am trying to find a web site that sells brains, I can order more and see if it will help me figure this out. :P Here I am telling you to have patients with Tango, and I am looseing patients with posting a pic of Luna. :lol: :twisted:

Tango might get over whatever she is going through that is makeing her pull her feathers and scream or bite. But there are differant conditions that cause parrots to have this behavior. I will try to find web sites for you to get expert information and help.

Mabey Tango just needs more time to recover from the trauma. But you will need to try to be sure she is not haveing a physical problem of some kind like a deficientcy or diet problem. Is Tango on a mostly seed diet? or is she eating a good quality pellet food?

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Post by leo » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:23 am

for postingthe pic, i thin just upload it to photobucket.com and paste the image code here...

hmm
tango eat pellet, 80% is pellet, 19% is fruit and vegie and human food, 1% seed(the pellet that crushed into almost powder is not eaten, so i mixk it with seed to make her eat it, don want to waste it, ex, hehe)

i just rung to the pet store...to ask about the chewing problem, he say some bird will chew the wing feaher as they are going in to moulting cos they feel unconfortable and want to plug the feather in order to let the new 1 grow, so, as he is unable to plug it, he end up destroyiung it...the bone of the big wing feathers especially trimmed 1 in being crushed...

he said it is normal when the bird is about 1 year old,tango is abt there too...

he said some of the bird there is also like that, but will be okay when the new featehr come out...

tango haven lose any of her wing feather yet, not even 1 so far i remeber...

i was initially considering of shorten the clipped feahter, but since the shop keeper said that, i get back to here to ask...

does any of the 1 year old went through the same as tango?

thanks alot and shoud i clipped the wing shorter?

(the shop keeper is the place where i bougth tango, he was nice and make sure i can feed the baby, and teach me everything before i went with tango, he also leave his number for 24/7 assistance...)
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Post by pinkdevil » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:39 pm

Hey Leo :)

It would depend on how short Tangos' wings are clipped.

Here is a site that shows the right way to clip wings.

Hope it helps :)

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Post by Darlene » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:45 pm

:D Hi Leo,
From what you say of Tangos diet, I don't think it could be her diet that is makeing her pull feathers. And if there are no bare spots on her breast or elsewhere, then it does not sound like what is described as a cronic feather plucking habit or problem. If we consider that Tango was attacked and had feather damage when she made it back home and also going through a obsticle coarse trying to fly, her wings were probably bruised. So besides haveing broken feathers, the bruiseing could have caused some damage to the new feathers forming. If I were Tango I would be cranky too. I hope she is just pulling out the bad feathers.
When luna has old feathers ready to molt, she will groom and even pull the old ones out. And she gets a little grumpy. So if Tango is only pulling the wing feathers it may be that she knows the ones that are not growing in right. They do have an instinct for knowing what they need to do.
Crows have straight pointed beaks. They peck instead of biteing like parrots. Tango was very lucky to make it back, with your help in looking and calling to her. But she was probably a lot more bruised then you could see.
If Tango was never a feather plucker before, then I feel that she won't continue this feather pulling after she gets all new feathers in on her wings. The screaming and the biteing may stop or get better after the feather problem gets better.
will keep working with posting pics. I might just do it by accident :lol:

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Post by leo » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:56 pm

pink,yup, it is how tango was trimmed last time, now the feather has grown long(same lengthe as the pripary feather) that he can fly back...

is it posible that the pointed end of the trimed feather actually irritated her(poking her body maybe)

so, whta should i do ?
let it be or trimmed it?

darlene, i think you are right, she mighthave lots more bruises that what i can see, and that miht cause her being sick after coming back...
till now, i don't know how she escape the crows...

i found IRN bone sand left over rather often here, thats what made me upset when i lost tango...

i hope what the shop keeper said is right....and the chewing feather problem just temporary and cause by molting
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Post by Darlene » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:05 pm

Leo,
I wander how many of those crows have bites and wounds from Tango?? :lol:

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Post by leo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:39 am

i gues it is about 20 over crows, the bite i found was the the wing and the legs...
not sure about other parts...but got alot of feahter got pluged i guess, when she returned, she regrow quiet alot of feahter
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Post by leo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:19 pm

last nite tango start biting again like the mad period...

this morning, 6 am, she scream like mad.....
i gave her the tooth brush cap with sunflower seed inside...whe solve it in les than a min and scream again...

i cant think of anything to give her...
i spent a little lesser time on her these few day, as i got to go school and study for my exam, exam on the run........
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Post by Darlene » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:45 pm

Hi Leo
this is a forageing toy I make for Luna....You take a favorite treat that Tango likes, Luna likes nuts. Let Tango see you drop the treat into a paper cup. Then roll the paper cup up with the nut inside. Then drop the paper cup into a paper bag and twist up the ends tight. Then put this inside a small box. and give it to Tango for her to work on. You can hang some forageing toys up so Tango has to climb and try to solve the problem of how to get to it and then open it if she gets to it. :)
If Tango likes to sit on your work desk while you are working, this means she likes to be near you and keep you company. You can use a peacock feather for a preening toy for Tango.
Just a few little suggestions that might help change her mind when she screams or is being bratty. :)

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Post by leo » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:23 pm

thanks for the idea darlene, i will try to make 1...

hmm, tango biting behaviour is worst when she is on top of his cage, is it territorial problem?
how do i deal with it...?

i got him another box like the tooth brush cup to play, but don have the hole, so the only way she can get the treat is to open it...

but she is really agrasive when she is on top of her cage...

what should i do?

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Post by Darlene » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:09 am

It sounds like it is a territorial thing. If Tango is not as aggressive in other places and more on top of her cage, then she is claiming the top of her cage as her space. Like you claim your favorite chair as your space. She is growing out of her baby ways and is claiming some of her envirnment as hers. In a way, it is a good sign that Tango is feeling more confident with her surroundings and I don't think it is a bad thing to let her have her space as long as she doen't try to take over too much. :lol: If she gets too bossy and wants to run you out of your space, then you will have to set limitations.
Luna saw me in the kitchen. So she wanted the kitchen as her space. So she used to do the lunge & bite thing to my toes to run me out of the kitchen. :lol: So when she did that, I put her up in her cage where she could watch me, but had to stay in her cage while I was in ( her ) kitchen. And she figured it out and was content to sit in her playstand and watch or supervise me and talk to me.

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Post by leo » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:00 am

darlene, luna can walk ?

tango is getting fiercer, even she is less noisy...
i still have the feeling she is male, the head is really flat and big...

she showing male dance too certain people,but clucking female behaviour to some people...

should i doubt the dna test result...
it is free 1, may be lousy and innacurate 1 or something like that?
haha...
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Post by Darlene » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:21 am

Hi Leo,
Luna isn't walking yet, but is standing up alone now. Just started doing it, but isn't takeing steps yet. Her feet have to get stronger. She is healed and healthy and happy, just not walking yet. But is still makeing progress.
When I said Luna was chaseing me out of the kitchen, I meant when she was Tangos age.
If Tango is female, you will see her put her head back and put her chest out and cluck, when she is getting her head stroked or when she is affectionate or content. It is the cute little female body language. And the females are more fiesty and fierce then the males. It takes more tameing and handling, but they do become just as good of a companion as the males. We have learned, the more you get her used to being touched and handled, the better pet she will be
We have to handle Luna a lot since she was injured. But it has made her into a sweet and trusting pet. No more biteing and bad behaviors are not there any more. She is just a pleasure and an awsome little pet. But I am sure it is from getting her used to being handled more. Luna used to bite like you say Tango does.
If you think Tango may be a male and don't trust the DNA test. It will take several more monthes to tell, or until the next molt, you would see a ring growing in. Luna is female, but definatly has a ring, it is a light color. Some females do show a ring, just not black like males.

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Post by leo » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:18 am

yup, i dont believe the dna at all...

in the bird mart, there is an ad finding a +-1 year old dna cert female irn, lutino and blue, ready to buy at price of 600 $...for breading purposes

i was like wow, that mroe than double the price of tango...

he offer me cash and instant deal...of coz i told him not for sale...

today tango did something cute...i was taking a nap when she was in my room, then i feel asleep too soundly that i forgot he was there.....
she sneaked in to my blanket and fall asleep there too...

i woke up finding a feathery stuff on my neck...she was slleping there, pearching on the coolar,,,

she woke up, streach and yawn...
i was like, what a funny felle
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Post by Darlene » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:57 am

:D OH! How cute! Tango understood that you were sleeping, so she wanted to take her nap too. But where she chose to take her nap was sweet and cute. Even when she has her bratty days, she is your baby. :D
You had an offer to sell Tango, but you don't just sell a family member or your best freind. Tango is a beautiful IRN, male or female. She proved her intellagance and that she wants to be with you, when she made it back home. That makes her very special. :)

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Post by leo » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:39 am

today she bite my ear... :cry:
she was okay and i was reading newspaper, so i let her on the shoulder, she bite my ear...so sad...

about the sexual behaviour, she cluck but instead of tilt the head up, she tilt the head down like when they are doing male dance, but the wing never open...then the claw lifted up to the face and screathing the face, and kuk kuk kuk...

when somebody with dark colour skin came, she will do the female till the body get so low...

there is an issue today...
i was reading the mail, then she was runnign about on the floor, i notice she was like asking me to play catching and wrestling we used to play
it rather a rough game, like a chase her untill i cought her, she can run anywhere, under the table, sofa or anywhere she can run...after i cougth her, i will grab her and wrestle her around...

so, today she like come to my leg(she is on the floor) the tab me leg with her beak then run, look at me, tab again, run again, for a few time...
yup

so i think she is asking to play her favourite game...then we play...there is a few half broken tail feather and i accidentally push it,(not pulled) puch in to the bone...so little bit only...
she scream like arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, then bite hard...
i trid to calm her by hugging her...it works...i speak to her softly, after she calm abit, i put her on a chair, and wen to get whole meal bread and eat it,,,she was chasing after me,(another game)...then she forget about the accident......

from this accident, it hink she has come to trust me again and about the bithing and screaming, i think it has become a bad behaviour or just bluffing....

i just mail the organisation to ask weather can do retest for me...
i told them she was escaped but found her way back...
then i ask her can reconfirm she is the same tango they tested before...

but im pretty sure, tango has 1 inborn bold spot on her head....
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Post by Darlene » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:21 pm

Leo,
If Tango is wanting to play the same games that she used to play with you, then she remembers the game. So I think she or he is the same Tango. Also if Tango made it back home to her cage, she had to be the same Tango, to remember her cage as a safe place to go. If she were not Tango, she wouldn't know about her cage. And she wouldn't have followed your voice when you were out calling and looking for her. And also remembering the favorite game. And even favorite foods.
I think it would be good to try to have her DNA done over or re checked just to be sure if she is male or female if possable. But it sounds like Tango is your same Tango and not anouther lutino.
Question: what did you mean when you said Tango has one inborn bold spot on her head??
And when she bit your ear, before Luna was injured and she would ride around on my shoulder, she would sometimes bite. I have read that to let your parrot ride or pearch on your shoulder gives them status of being the dominant one. Sometimes they may bite. Luna would bite my finger when I would try to get her to step up on my finger to take her off my shoulder. So I had to take her to her playstand where she would step off onto a pearch.
and yes, the biteing and screaming can become a bad habbit, but there are training information on the web about how to stop the screaming and biteing without harming your parrot. There is some training web sites like
www.birdtricks.com that are famouse for there success in training parrots out of bad behaviors. Tango is just going through a pre adult stage and testing out what will work and what won't. :)

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Post by leo » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:46 pm

tango has a bold patch on the head...since ever she was a baby...the bold was jus not growing any feather, like the cocatiel bold petch under their creast...but not that big and obvious,...it really obvious when she was molting..

i ve check with afew breader about the behaviour of chewwing off the trimmed wing, they said it is quiet normal for some individual to begun molting process...

some said these birds are believed to be smarter and fast in understanding stuff, as they know if they regrow the new feather, they will be able to fly...

then i told the breader, they are not smert enough to know that human will trim it again...hahaha....

but, no matter wat it is, i just hope that it is just molting and nothing to do with behaviour problem....

i let her sit on the shoulder becoz i never have problem bringing her down, so i tried again...but even she had bitten me, she still willing to go down.....
she is getting back to herself....
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Post by Darlene » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:27 am

Hi Leo,
From the pics of Tango that I have seen, the little bald spot on her head doesn't show. And mabey it will disapear all togather when she has anouther heavy molt. Is it molting season there where you live? The molting season here was the monthes from about April through June. Luna had a good molt this year and changed out most of her feathers. I still see a feather here or there even now. But they are the feathers that the vet trimmed the last visit, She grooms her feathers and seems to know the ones that are old and she will pull them becouse they are loose and she can probably feel the new one comming in. I think they loose some feathers year around, but just not like when they are molting.
:lol: yes, that was funny, you said Tango is trying to get her flight feathers to grow in faster, only to get them trimmed again. ha, ha. I have read a lot of sad stories about people letting there parrot fly around and not trimming the feathers. Only to have them fly out a door or window, or into a ceiling fan or landing on a hot stove and other bad things. So it is just keeping them safer and easier to catch to trim there feathers. For there safety. Tango is a beautiful lutino. That bright buttercup yellow with red beak is like a little jewel. :)

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Post by leo » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:05 am

ya, they are so precious...

im moving house soon...finding the new house to rent now...
i feel uneasy everytime seeing her in the toilet...
now, she don bother if she is in the toilet, she still make alot of noise if she want to...

this morning she said something like tangoooo, what you doing?
but really mumbly, really mumbly,..
she really lazy in practicing talking, how long will she take to clarify the speaking?
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Post by Darlene » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:27 pm

HEY ! Leo, That is great news, that you are moveing to a new house so little Tango won't have to be put in the toilet. She will be happier and you will have more control over Tango. If you don't want her to spend the day in the dark room, you will have more control over who comes in and does things in your house and to Tango.
Tango is just starting to talk and say something new. It will sound mumbly for a while untill she practices more. It sounds like she is trying to say a sentance and not just one word. So if you repeat what she is saying slowly and clearly when she says it, she will learn to say it more clear. And I put Luna in her basket and bring her with me to other rooms of the house and she sits up and talks to me. So I repeat things to her and she learns to say them more clear. Luna says, ( peek a boo ) and a lot of other sentances.
What is cute and funny sometimes is, Luna will go hide and when I miss her, I will say, " where's Luna??" and she gives herself away when I hear a little voice under the chair say " there you are ." :lol:
They will take there time to practice talking even when they are by thereself. And it is a sign your IRN is happy or content when you hear them talk.

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Post by leo » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:56 pm

luna is so cute...haha...
tango is still in the bratty mode...i really hope it if bluffing and nothing to do with the accident...

he got paranoid when something went above her cage and bite really hard...when in changeing the food, he bite me hard that it bleed...usually before i change the food and water, i will sroke her from the head to the tail for a few time, she does not let me do it and lounge when my hand go above her head.....

until i persued her with some treat if she dont lounge then she get calmer...

last nite(now i really have littel time with her as im starting a new project) she was in my room, complain so loudly and when i tell her to stop, she made it louder and louder, so i return him to the cage...

aboout the featehr chewing, she really chew alot of the wing feather...

darlene, can help me check at your pet store or vet weather tango case is posible of molting syndrome? but tanngo does not look like molting...no feather dropping around...she pratcically chew the feather bone away...

i ask some pet store, they say it is molting as she is about 1 year, some ask me to buy expensive spray solution that i never find usefull, some ask me to get her the collar whic i find it cruel...

i lost of what to do, i think your side there got more genuine people and experts than my place, they really give me the impression they are just pushing a sale...

hope you can help me...

thanks alot
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Post by Darlene » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:55 am

Hi Leo,
I am researching info on the feather chewing. So far, I am getting several reasons for the feather chewing, some are scarey to read about, but It doesn't sound like that is Tangos problem. So far I have learned, there are differant types of mites that can cause feather chewing and feather distruction. The mites are microscopic and even can get under the skin. So it takes a vet who has the equipment to rule out wheather Tangos problem is from a form of mite. They do a skin biopsey and look at it under a microscope.
To find the answer to the feather pulling and chewing, you will need to investigate several possable causes and rule them out until you have found what is probably the cause. One thing is stress. In Tangos case, she has had some stress. Then if there has been any changes in her routine or envirnment that is upsetting to her. And also it can be from harmonal changes around nesting season.
Does the bird store there have any sprays for treating mites,? just so you can try to rule that out as a possable cause. Tango was around wild birds and exposed to things she doesn't live with in your house.
Also giveing her bathes with a bath spray that helps skin and feather dryness and to ease itchyness.
Tangos screaming and complaining is a sign that she is not comfortable and something is bothering her. She is trying to tell you and get your attention. It could be anything from a skin and feather irritation, to stress caused from harmonal changes to something in her daily schedule or routine that she is haveing problems dealing with.
You will want to try to find the cause of the feather chewing, before it becomes a distructive habbit.
Is Tango causeing any bleeding from the feather chewing?
The biteing could be harmonal changes also. So researching and learning all you can and then ruling out every issue untill you find what works andit may take time and patients. But in the future you will know if it is a temporary thing she is going through or if she needs some medication or suppliments in her diet.
I will keep trying and try to find links you can go to for information and help.

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Post by leo » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:07 am

whe tango arive, i have disinsect her with mite solution for 3 times a week for 2 weeks...

all the feather are the old 1, for the previous molting, she did not lose any wing feather...

all the chewing is done on the midle of the feather, so, from outsie it look fine as the destroyed part cover by the covert...

when i look from inside, it is all chewed...

the local pet store and some breeder said it is cuased by the molting,...

i hope that way, but to be honest, that the 1st time i heard about it

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Post by Darlene » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:47 am

Leo,
about the feather chewing, some other causes of the feather pulling and chewing are, environment. like cigaret smoke, room sprays, scented candles, perfume or chemicals such as in household cleaners. If Tango is around any of these, it can cause skin and feather and resperatory problems. If she is in a chemical free envirnment, you can rule out that as a possable cause.
When Luna pulls old feathers that are ready to come out, she will often pull on them from close to the skin while she is preening. So mabey Tango is doing the same thing. And you said you have started a new project and have'nt spent as much time with her. She could be screaming or biteing becouse she is a little upset with you.
But she can get grumpy if she is molting and it will pass. :)

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Post by leo » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:16 pm

darlene, im moving house, i hate that **** hole that bully tango when im away home and even in the home...it make me feel so useless to unable to protect my own friend....

i read some article said that the 1 couse might be lack of fat in the food...that make the oil production low and the feather dry, so the bird will feel irritated...tango has very low fat in the diet food...
im increasing the seed in the diet and try to find aloevera...(out of stock fro sometimes already)

tango is in chem free environtment...
i make alot of toy to distract her as well like the like cartoon boxes with food inside...1 day 1 box with diffrent colours...
and also sun flower seed that is wraped in a paper and ash her to chew the paper till she get the food in it...
i really hope it will work well...

thanks alot darlene......
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Post by Darlene » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:03 pm

Hi Leo,
I am so glad you are moveing to a place of your own, for baby Tango. From what you are saying, it sounds like her biggest problem is, she is an unhappy little one. And her screaming is from being so mad and upset. ...Hey Leo ! is there any chance that you could lock that person in the toilet to let them see how it feels?? :twisted:
I am giveing you this web site, for information on feather chewing and plucking. They have very good information on problems and nutrition defitiencies. The web site is; www.allbirdproducts.com They have natural organic suppliments for parrots. You can order the products from them. They said one common reason for feather chewing is a calcium defitiency. I ordered three things from them for Luna. Luna is a picky eater, so I am sure she may need the calcium product. She won't chew on a cuddle bone or other calcium rich things. I also ordered the herb salad for Luna, becouse it is all natural green self medicating herbs that birds need for a strong immune system and good general health. If you go into this web site you can gather a lot of helpful information. I also ordered the product, feather-up. It helps promote healthy feathers.
When you move it can be a little upsetting for Tango in a new place, but she will adjust after a while and will like it better there, becouse I'm sure it will be more peaceful for her.

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Post by leo » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:13 am

thanks darlene...

this is tango condition...
whne she is bathing
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notice the featehr that is stilllook nice, actually they are about to fall to as the base part has also been chewed

i email breeders they said it is not true that molting bird will chew the feather...

im increasing the amount of fats in his diet too...thnaks alot darlene...

i willpost the pic at the pic section too...
guys, if i offend you in any way, please let me know....don't keep it to yourself....okay.tango is FE-male.............

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Post by Darlene » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:57 am

Hi Leo,
I can see what you are saying about Tangos feathers from the pics When I said Luna will pull on feathers that are ready to come out during a molt, they are old feathers and new ones come in right behind it. But Lunas feather don't look like Tangos, they are the whole feather, not chewed.
I have read a lot about the feather plucking and chewing and there are many causes. The web site I sent to you has more information on the feather chewing, that makes sense. And some products that are natural organic dietary suppliments for deficientcies. Such as calcium. They say when they have given birds with a feather chewing problem the calcium in there food, that the problem improves. But the pics looks like this feather chewing damage done by Tango is clearly not normal and that she does have a problem.
Mabey after you move where Tango can be happier, and you add some things to her diet, that have been known to correct a feather chewing problem, this will get better.
If the breeder and vet haven't been much help, then you will have to learn all you can about this problem and try differant things that may get this under control.
I ordered the calcium suppliment for Luna, becouse she will not chew on the mineral blocks or cuddle bone and I don't think it hurts to provide her with some extra nutrition some times. You want to try to get this stopped before it becomes a cronic habbit. But there is a reason Tango is doing this and you just have to find what helps correct it. :?

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Post by Raja's_mom » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:04 pm

I think that feather damage like that is caused from stress and the sooner you move the better it will be for Tango. I have a fiery shouldered conure that does that to her wings when she is stressed and also my african grey that used todo that before I got her because of stress she was locked in her cage all the time with a heavy blanket over her in a room all by herself she would chew her fethers she had no toy and a very small cage. I rescued her she doesn't chew her feathers anymore. I think your landlord is terrorizing her when you are not home and she is very stressed the sooner you move the sooner she will stop chewing her feathers.
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Post by leo » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:18 pm

seems like im not moving anytime soon...i cant find any place that accept pet...worse it is a bird, they are afraid of bird flu.......

thanks raja's mum and darlene...
i email a very kind and expiriance breader and they say it is not true that molting has cause the feahter problems...

she said it is most probably is that tantgo has overpreen herself and what cause her to do so is the eather is too dry...i gave her more seed in the diet but still maintain the pallet diet...i also give her preening toys

since she cant fly complately now, i will bring her outdoor to get acustom to outside and when the wing grows back, maybe take another few month till the big molt arive, then she should be more comfortable outside...

laely she always do the male dance...the truth will be out together with the new wing...hehe...
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Post by Raja's_mom » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:11 pm

Thats ridiculus I don't think that pet parrots have a problem with the bird flu. I think its mostly chickens and Turkeys that are carriers of the bird flu. You could go to a vet and get her checked for bird flu and ask the doctor for something in writing to say that Tango doesn't have or carry the bird flu virus that way you could show new landlords the document from the vet. at least that way they might except your bird as an ok pet to keep . I hope she calms down for you I'm worried about her and she is not even mine I think about her often trying to think of something that might help her. Mabie if she stops screaming your landlord won't come into your place when your not there. Thats what I think is stressing her out. A stranger coming in when your not there to protect her. mabie you should change your locks so he can't get in. and don't give him a key until Tango is back to her sweet self again. he might get angry but just keep telling him you will have to get another key cut for him and then say oh I forgot I'll get one tomorrow. as you know tomorrow never comes because tomorrow turns into today. LOL get it Haha
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Post by Darlene » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:13 am

I agree with Raja's_mom. Since you have had the feather chewing problem with Tango, I have researched a lot about the feather plucking and chewing, And like Raja's_mom, I am also concerned about Tango. She has been through a lot when she flew away and was so lucky to get back to you. You feed her good and take care of her good. So it isn't anything you are doing wrong. I believe it is the stress of what Tango is going through with your landlord. Mabey that's why she flew away. Just keep looking and have proof that Tango is clean and healthy. And she is not a chicken or turkey and is a domestic pet. The people there are afraid becouse they are not educated about these things. But if you keep trying and talking to people, you may find someone who knows the differance between farm animals and a domestic pet. And will help you connect with someone who will rent to you. We do care about you and Tango, and just want to see you both happy and doing good.
Leo, I did read in one of the web sites for special needs parrots and products that they have given parrots with feather chewing and plucking problems a calcium additive in there food about three times a week, and it has helped. I also read that aloe vera is a very good treatment for wounds and skin irritations, but not to use it on the feathers. I believe aloe helped to heal Tangos wound, but if applied directly to the feathers it may cause the parrot to chew the feathers.
There are so many causes of feather chewing and plucking, it is a complicated thing to work out. But in your case and from everything you have told us. I believe Tango is under stress and she is chewing her feathers from stress. As soon as she don't have to be around that evil landlord any more, I think he/ or she will get better.

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Post by Darlene » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:37 am

Oh, a question: How can your landlord just walk into your apartment and do anything they want while you are gone? This is illegal and while you are renting, you have rights and they can't enter your place without your permission.
anouther question: You wouldn't leave Tango outdoors alone while you are away would you? I would be worried very much about her safety, unless you were there to protect her and bring her in from bad weather. And if dogs or other animals knocks her cage over to get to her, or if someone came and let her out of her cage or even stole her. These are some of the things I would worry about.
I really hope everything gets worked out for you and Tango. :(

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Post by leo » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:23 am

sory for the late reply
im just renting a room of the apartment, so actually we are staying together...i realise that if i rent another room, the same old problem will rise again...so, i decided to rent the whole apartment...it is like 5 times more expensive,but fortunately my parent agree and support me as thy know tango play some part of me getting mygood result in school...

the problem is the property pricing is facing up and down, so, very little people want to rent their properties

on tango now...he is now have no more biting problem, screaming is only in the morning...everything is getting back to normal...the feather problem is still unsolve...but the feather geting less dry as i add seed in the diet...the destroyed feather will remind as what it is or worse...till they regrow...

the dna sexing org replied that they will not do the retest, but the result should be 99% accurate...

lately tango do alot of male dance...and look alot like male...
the truth will be up in 1 yaer time
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Post by Darlene » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:57 am

:) Hi Leo,
I'm glad to hear that you have support in renting the whole apartment instead of just one room. This way you have the whole apartment to yourself and have more control. Question: Does this mean whoever is liveing in the apartment will have to move out, if you are renting it by yourself? Tango would have more room for playtime when you are home and would not have to deal with other people who don't know or care about her. So this may work out better for you and Tango.
And it is good news that Tango is getting better.

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Post by leo » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:51 pm

no, i m the 1 who is moving out...rent an empty house...yup...
i start bringing tango out with me...so he get the chance to know the world outside the house...so, i will make use of the disaster(the feather chewing) make something useful out of it....

what do you think about the idea darlene?
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Post by Darlene » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:35 am

This is good news Leo, I think a lot of stress for you and Tango will get better after you move. And if you Take Tango outside while you are there with him, it can be a good thing. if he can see you there and he is not alone, then it won't be too scary for him. Will you have Tango in his cage while you are outside? So there won't be anouther fly away?
Luna has an outside cage that I bring outside on warm sunny days, so she can get her UVs and she watches the little squirrels that run around. One day Luna saw a hummingbird feeding at the feeder close to her cage and she said " Whatcha doing??" .... " get out of that!!" HA! :lol:

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Post by leo » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:15 am

haha...she was funny...

hmm, tango will be on my shoulder when she is out, she cant fly at all, she practically has no wings
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Post by Darlene » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:15 pm

Yes and I hope Tango has learned it is a lot safer staying close to you. He has learned to depend on you, so he may not want to fly off your shoulder. One time when I went outside with Luna on my shoulder, something spooked her and she jumped down onto the grass, but she couldn't get airborn to fly, so it was easy to catch her. Lunas wings were clipped just leaving enough to flutter to the floor if she jumped down, so she wouldn't hit the floor like a rock. I got Luna a flight suit and a harness so I could put one of them on her to take her outside. But she hates both of them and gets too upset when I try to put it on her. It is a nice way to enjoy your IRN when you can take them out to spend some time with them. I always watch for any cats when I take Luna outside. Sometimes they hide under the bushes to prey on the wild birds and squirrels.

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Post by leo » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:57 pm

this morning tango did the male dance to his toy, the toy was red colour, he attack it and do the dance then int he end put i leg on top of it, i was like thinking, this bird must be posses by a dog(putting 1 leg onthe toys is usually dog behaviour)hahaha...

he said tango, what u doing, good boy, arrrrrr, yes and all those...
all like really unclear, have to hear it properly before i catch it, but he try to learn so many before he even master 1` word...

does any body IRN like that?

thanks
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Post by greeny » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:36 pm

Yes Leo, I have had birds do that. When they get excited sometimes they say all the words fast in a row. I don't know why. Tango will improve the pronouciation with time. My birds got clearer as they got older.

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Post by leo » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:23 am

thanks greeny, hmm, if i was not wrong, you are taj owner arent you?
the you tube bird, the amazing talking IRN,?
sorry if i was wrong...hehe...

if let say tango has destroy all the wing feather, he is about a year now, how long deos he going to grow back the wing, i mean like how many molt...

i ask some breader via email, they said some baby parrot just overpreen the feather and it will be okay after the molt...i just hope that will be the case of tango, cos he is really look happy now adays...

he will chater away in the morning eventhough he is in the toilet...and he never bite again...'

thanks alot greeny
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Post by Raja's_mom » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:06 am

once Tango goes through her next molt all those chewed feathers will be replaced with brand new ones, Please keep an eye on those feathers because she will be able to fly with just a couple new ones. Make sure as soon as they are finished growing to clip them or she will fly off your shoulder and be gone again, make sure you check them all the time she will pull those wrecked feathers out so new ones come in quicker. she will do this even before she molt so check those wing feathers often.
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Post by leo » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:58 pm

sorry for my absence lately...

i brought tango to vet...he said tango has no medical isue, the chewing is cause by the trimmed feather irritating him, may be poking him...

most probably will be alright after molting
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