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All birds at least have one dark factor. :D Taken with flash.

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Nice clutch :shock:

This is an easy one :D
SF Dark Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Blue Opaline <= should be a real beaut, can't wait to see them fully feathered :D
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Until now only one is for sure opaline. Not the darker green on the right has grey downs (not opaline) and the one on the left has white. :)
The upper right can't carry two violet gens. Mother hasn't one. :D
Sure the upper left is only dark green???
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I had my doubts about the chick on the right being opaline being so dark but i thought both parents could have been opaline.
2 on the left show enough dilution for opaline
the 3 chicks are not from the same parents?
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:shock: How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? What would you look for in a chick so young to determine opaline? Are there tell-tale signs i.e. madas' comment regarding grey vs white down?
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willowisp71 wrote: How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? ...
lol
Using all my 6 senses; few hundred calculations :D & because Madas posted the question :) an Opaline enthusiast.
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lol :lol:

Fair 'nuf :D I can understand why Madas is an enthusiast - quite partial to the look of opalines myself :mrgreen:
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Ring0Neck wrote:
willowisp71 wrote: How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? ...
lol
Using all my 6 senses; few hundred calculations :D & because Madas posted the question :) an Opaline enthusiast.
thx for your kind words. :D

If i am not completely wrong there is only one mutation which is causing white downs in green series birds. Opaline. :)
That's why i am pretty sure the upper left bird is an opaline. For blue series you can't take this into account and have to wait until
the birds get some more feathers. ;)

@Ben: yeap the youngsters are out of two distinct nests. Two out of opaline (carrier of df dark) x opaline and two out of normal x opaline (carrier of df dark).

I already can anticipate your next question. :P

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I already can anticipate your next question. :P

But i already have 3 questions :D & probably not what you were thinking


where's the fourth bird? to start with :P can we see it?
what is that "normal" bird? trying to make sense of the 2nd pair.
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Ring0Neck wrote:
I already can anticipate your next question. :P

But i already have 3 questions :D & probably not what you were thinking


where's the fourth bird? to start with :P can we see it?
what is that "normal" bird? trying to make sense of the 2nd pair.
My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P

I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks.
So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can post some new pics. :)

The normal bird is a dark or deep violet turqBlue (is a lighter "violet cobalt"). So darkest offspring bird could be dark(df) violet(sf) or deep(ef) dark(ef) violet(ef) in blue or green series. If male split opaline.

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My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P

I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks.
So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can post some new pics
I should have said: but i can already anticipate your answer :D
the only other reason would have been to hold it back for the puzzle and show it later but not as likely. (that would be Johan's style ) :D
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Ring0Neck wrote:
My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P

I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks.
So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can post some new pics
I should have said: but i can already anticipate your answer :D
the only other reason would have been to hold it back for the puzzle and show it later but not as likely. (that would be Johan's style ) :D
I have a style? :lol:

Nice youngsters, Madas. :mrgreen: Top right seems dark violet green to me, but I'll wait for the tails. That's also "my style". :wink: :D
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Johan S wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote:
My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P

I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks.
So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can post some new pics
I should have said: but i can already anticipate your answer :D
the only other reason would have been to hold it back for the puzzle and show it later but not as likely. (that would be Johan's style ) :D
I have a style? :lol:

Nice youngsters, Madas. :mrgreen: Top right seems dark violet green to me, but I'll wait for the tails. That's also "my style". :wink: :D
thx. Next photo session is done outside. :) This time it was a rainy cold day. So had to do an indoor shoot. :D The ratio for dark(sf) violet(sf) green is only 12,5% if it's a non opaline bird (has to be non opaline :D ). For the other pair the ratio of dark(sf) violet(sf) blue or green is 25% each. So 50% for a dark violet combo. And i think the pair hit both. :) opaline dark(sf) violet(sf) green and opaline dark(sf) violet(sf) blue (if the blue series birds is indeed an opaline). So the bird in the upper right has to be something different.
But as you know a breeder always want the offspring to be "more valued" as it is. :) So lets wait for the tail feathers.

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Being patient is so hard! :lol:
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Second clutch of opaline:

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Nicely Done !

The green series bird has a whiter down.
Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down?
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Ring0Neck wrote:Nicely Done !

The green series bird has a whiter down.
Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down?
Yeap thx i will forward it to the parents. :)

Correct the green bird shows white downs. But both are opaline. ;)
And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
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And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. ...
If that would be the case with all opalines would be a great marker especially in combos where opaline is hard to ID
like edged opaline, H. pied opaline etc.
So the blue series did not have the triangle?

Yes, i noticed both were opaline and the pic is a good example of the white down in green series.
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Ring0Neck wrote: So the blue series did not have the triangle?
I didn't noticed one. :(

What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove.

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madas wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote: So the blue series did not have the triangle?
I didn't noticed one. :(

What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove.

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I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male
Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen
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Ring0Neck wrote: I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male
Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen
:D
Yeap regarding the sex this is my guess too. But don't tell you why (for now)? :P
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madas wrote:And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
Very interesting. Pity we don't have any green series opaline. :(
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Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
Very interesting. Pity we don't have any green series opaline. :(
So breed one. :P You know it is always a better choice to pair a green series to a blue series bird. ;)
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madas wrote:You know it is always a better choice to pair a green series to a blue series bird. ;)
Spoken like a true personatus and fischeri breeder! :lol: I took my sweet time learning that the best way forward is often started by one step backwards. Those early mauves could never compete with the feather quality of the olives. I have often wondered how far we could push ringnecks before we see feather structure degradation like in those agapornis. Interesting enough, the grey (blue) pallid seems to be the most susceptible combination for brittle flight feathers from what I have seen.
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Johan S wrote: Spoken like a true personatus and fischeri breeder!
I am breeding personatus and fischeris too. ;)

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Well, the topic is "What am I?"

I'm going with pastel fischeri! :D I stopped breeding agapornis in 2000. Had to sell my collection to pay for my studies. Every now and then I think to myself, maybe I should throw 2 or 3 pairs in my IRN communal aviary for youngsters. The fischeri do have the most interesting and very well developed a-locus. Not to mention probably the best cobalt violet phenotype of all species. Is that one in the back? :D
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Johan S wrote:Well, the topic is "What am I?"

I'm going with pastel fischeri! :D I stopped breeding agapornis in 2000. Had to sell my collection to pay for my studies. Every now and then I think to myself, maybe I should throw 2 or 3 pairs in my IRN communal aviary for youngsters. The fischeri do have the most interesting and very well developed a-locus. Not to mention probably the best cobalt violet phenotype of all species. Is that one in the back? :D
Hi Johan,

unfortunately the bird is a pastel personata. She was breed from to normal green parents and proved to be spilt blue as well. Unfortunately the parents had a touch of fischeri as they show a small ring of orange under their black head mask. :( But it ok for me. I am not breeding for show case. :) I keep them because it is nice to watch them acting in a swarm and furthermore they have very nice colors and an unmistakable voice. :D

The one in the background is a 1,0 dark(sf) violet(df) blue. If we can get this color in IRNs i would be happy. No grey ovelay pur dark purple. Very nice color.
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Yes, that cobalt violet colour is amazing. Ringnecks can not compare.
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update:

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Still unsure regarding the green bird. :(

Maybe this version is helping:

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Dark Green Opaline? color seems more like a rusty green, wings have plenty "blue" more like a dark!?

here's an sf green violet opaline cockbird slightly older
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255834.JPG
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255837.JPG
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Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)?
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Johan S wrote:Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)?
Nope. The bird on the right isn't a violet(sf) dark(sf) blue. She looks very greyish and the flights are nearly black (very dark violet blue). So for me it is a violet(df) dark(sf) blue in opaline. For the green one my guess is violet(sf) dark(sf). But not sure. There is a strange color change when the bird is going from outside into the shelter. Inside she looks like darkgreen and lighter then the mother which is opaline violet(sf) green. But outside she looks steps darker and is showing a cobalt violet like tail feathers. Can't explain it. :(

Try to open the pics with photoshop. This will give a nearly true color representation. Some Image Viewer use their own color profiles (some even use CMYK) and distort the true colors.

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