**** URGENT ALL South African Breeders ****

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:55 am

Our genius minister Edith Molewa of water and environmental affairs has published DRAFT Legislation (Notice 78 of 2014) wanting to declare Indian Ringnecks an invader species and BAN all imports, breeding and selling of Indian Ringnecks in South Africa.

We have until 12-03-2014 to comment and express our OUTRAGE or this DRAFT Legislation WILL BE PASSED INTO LAW.

Details below:

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:32 am

Guys this is serious.We need to unite and draw up a letter of objection .
I would hope the parrot and other assoations will start a petition to protect our beloved avian friends from falling victim of another uneducated decision the powers that be are fiddeling with

My Email is robert(at)telkomsa,net
Please forward any objection proposal so I can assist in forwarding to all my fellow breeders as soon as possable

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:39 pm

Count me in as well

Sanzaf1 · Post by **Sanzaf1** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:06 pm

Count me in

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:17 pm

I have not been able to find any environmental impact study conducted on the topic in SA. When visiting http://www.invasives.org.za, one will find that they base the inclusion of the ban on ringnecks (look at the bottom right for "Animal Pest Alerts") on the findings of (Western) Australian Department of Agriculture and Food. Can you believe, SA environmental affairs is too lazy to conduct this type of thing themselves, or even draft their own brochure. I'm not, but I'm used to the way things are done in SA.

Now, no offence to the general folks in Western Australia, but this is the same region where the legal killing (culling) of the internationally protected species, Carcharodon carcharias (great white sharks), has been legalised by Premier Colin Barnett after only seven attacks in a period of three years. Hawaii has double those numbers every year, to put things in perspective. They're not killing sharks. This is an internationally protected species on the IUCN red list, an apex predator with a critical environmental impact. And the knee jerk reaction was, let's kill it, as it will make us (politicians) feel better. There was quite a lot of outcry from the population for that decision. It will have zero impact on the attacks, too. Now this is not exactly a textbook example of excellence in conservation and environmental affairs, and by no means one other governing bodies should be following blindly. It just makes one wonder whether they didn't get some other things wrong too. And, if they got them right, do they still apply this side of the ocean? When considering the impact they will have on native parrots (mostly Poicephalus subspecies), I can not imagine it too big. Almost all these parrots currently reside in regions with very low numbers in humans. Their natural habitat has been destroyed so badly that they are mostly restricted to environmentally protected areas. And the IRN will, according to the studies, mostly populate cities. And me, living in one of the largest cities (top 3) in SA, can assure you there isn't hundreds of feral ringnecks flying around. In the 15 years I have stayed here, I have seen 2. And captured one that was redomesticated. The problem is not even a drop in the bucket compared to feral racing pigeons that are posing a much more severe risk to our indigenous kransduif (Speckled pigeon / Columba guinea), not to mention the hybridisation and transmutation.

I could go on and on, but at the end of the day, I would still not feel better about the situation.

madas · Post by **madas** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:32 pm

We have thousands of feral ringnecks here in Germany (which derived from some escapers) and it is proven by scientists that they haven't any effect on the native wildlife and nature until now.

Could be read here: http://halsbandsittiche.papageien.org/

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:58 pm

Peter, et al...

I can't believe what i'm reading...

If there is anything that we can do to help, just name it !

Someone to come up with a letter that we could all use to express our outrage on their proposal.
even one written by a proffesional, to have maximum effect.
Perhaps you should seek legal advice on how all of you should contest this draft would be a good idea.
Strong arguments and valid are needed to deter them from passing it.

I hope it's a bad dream or a mistake.

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:36 pm

Lee my father of 72 has been breeding birds for over 50 years and ringnecks make up the bulk of his collection, sadly with the global economy his birds have become his only source of income and basically his only reason for getting up every morning to cut up fruit and veg and care for his beloved friends.

Not only is he kept fit and healthy with the daily exercise, his mind is kept active with the genetics and planning and plotting pairings to create new and wonderful looking birds.

I am certain if this draft legislation is passed into law that will be the end of my father as he will have nothing to live for anymore, so this top priority for me at this point in time.

LETS GET MOVING PEOPLE !

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:41 pm

I encourage everyone on this forum to email the address above and say somthing about South African bred Ringnecks, that are exported and the quality of SA birds and the years worth of work that has gone into making South Africa one of the top countries in the world for ringneck mutations.

Or anything that you think would add weight to our arguments and cause.

McmillanBirds · Post by **McmillanBirds** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:03 pm

Count me in, please please please forward me any info, petitions, whatever needs to be done. I am shocked to see this.

cbhmcmillan(at)hotmail.com or cbhmcmillan(at)gmail.com

Carmen

Carr.birds · Post by **Carr.birds** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:38 pm

I am in.

I have registered my IRN and other species as a Bird Farming enterprise with a valid vat and tax number. I pay vat on all my sales and tax on all income. We import and pay import tax. I financially support my wife, my kids, one domestic worker and one farm worker from proceeds of this Bird
Farming. 80% of my bird income is generated through the sale of IRN's.

I realize that I am a small breeder but if this draft bill becomes law domestic and farm workers will lose their jobs and it will add pressure to the already huge % of unemployed middle and lower class in SA, not even to mention the loss in tax for the Government.

WE must put a stop to this idea

Tienie

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:34 am

Thanks to Wayne from birdtrader who will put out a notice today !

Recio · Post by **Recio** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:43 am

Hi,

This law has been applyed in Spain from 2-3 years ago and now breeders can not trade their birds and can not import new mutations. As a result most of them have moved to the breeding of other species and it has become almost impossible to find IRN in Spain.

Hope you will be able to stop this project of law in SA.

Recio

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:54 am

For those of you that aren't a member of the Parrot Breeder Association of Southern Africa (http://www.aviculturesa.co.za), I strongly urge you to reconsider whatever your reason was. Most people I speak to blame 'club politics', but club politics is nothing when compared to real politics. If you are serious about this, then you need to be part of a collective. I respect and appreciate the efforts to get people moving on this, but it will be through a united, recognised association that any type of impact will be made, the largest being the PVSA - PASA. Individuals has never been heard in this country (anyone remember that pesky thing called E-toll?). That will not change now. I've been on the phone most of the morning, and this is also not the first time that this proposal was voiced, and it was successfully fought in the past. But, by PVSA - PASA.

Further to this, if you are a member of any of the district clubs throughout the provinces, please bring this under the attention of your EXCO. My believe, once again, is that the greatest impact will be achieved if these clubs consolidate their lists of objections and signed by members, and pass it through to the PVSA - PASA, who can then consolidate once again and submit one hell of a complaint.

But don't let me deter you from sending individual letters as well. Flood and spam that email address. But, be respectful and factual, not emotional.

Also, let's work together on a list of the impact of this decision.

* Financial impact
- Bird farming enterprises
- Support laboratory facilities (Molecular Diagnostic Systems, Lumegen, Microbial Biochemical and Food Biotechnology at the University of FS, Onderstepoort, etc.)
- Aviculture specialist products (Avizandum, Goldwing, etc)
- Farming enterprises specialising in specialist aviculture product (millet types, buckweed, mana, etc.)
- Petshops
* Employment in above enterprises
* Social impact - who can imagine a country where it will be illegal to purchase a ringneck as a pet?
etc.

Finally, I have created an online petition opposing this proposal. You are welcome to sign it, and please also distribute this to members on your contact lists and clubs.
http://turnitaround.co.za/petition/peti ... wcNfXlRf1o

leon chetty · Post by **leon chetty** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:56 am

Can you send me a link to the legislation? I have not been able to find it (leon_zn@yahoo. com)

I personally feel that we as breeders need to be a lot more responsible in ensuring that our birds do not escape etc..
eg, there are large colonies of Ringneck in the Asherville, Pheonix, Chatsworth and Gateway area..

This is unexceptable..

These are invasive species and are breeding rapidly, sitting at the Palm Court at Gateway you can see all the fledgelings..

Don't get me wrong, I love my birds!!
but I think this wake up call is needed to control something that we are all passionate about <3

minnie · Post by **minnie** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:00 am

http://www.invasives.org.za/resources/d ... -2014.html.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:00 am

leon chetty wrote:...
I personally feel that we as breeders need to be a lot more responsible in ensuring that our birds do not escape etc..
eg, there are large colonies of Ringneck in the Asherville, Pheonix, Chatsworth and Gateway area..

This is unexceptable..

...

I would like to point out and perhaps could be included as part of reasons NOT to pass this as law the following:

Colonies that are already established as Leon mentioned is DUE to Failure of the Department of Environmental Affairs !

As Johan said; They are looking at WA AU studies done on Ringnecks but their ACTION IS WRONG, they should implement PREVENTION with minimal impact that being: Capturing Ringnecks that are in the wild just like Austraians have done, read below:
http://www.invasives.org.za/resources/d ... ralia.html

They are willing to take the shortcut option of prevention DUE to their failure to capture / control any escaped ringnecks in the wild.

People's passion/bird farming/ incomes/ need not be distroyed because they fail to do their job, & fail to take timely Preventative action .

If they take into account the WA AU research they should also follow our preventative path or similar as Australia is doing successfully !

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:10 am

PVSA is gathering information from members to respond to Government, I revived an email from PVSA this morning and have responded.

PVSA are also gather information from all the SA ringneck exporters to further strengthen our augment.

I have also emailed Environmental Affairs and asked for them to provide me with the environmental impact study that they have conducted specific to ringnecks in South Africa as the only thing i could find was the Australian study on one of their sites (so it would appear that they have not done one).

I urge all SA breeders to join as the PVSA is open to all ringneck breeders.

Its time to band together to save our hobby, livelihood and passion.

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:45 am

Lee, you can contact the PVSA directly (details at http://www.aviculturesa.co.za/index.php/contact-us) to enquire about their plan of action. They have been aware of this longer than me. And go sign the petition already. You, and your family. And your extended family. And friends. And neighbours.

Peter, PVSA has never been a "by invitation only" organisation, unless I'm missing something. The old Ringneck breeder association used to be that way, though.

I have compiled a chain mail (oh, how I hate those) notifying people of the situation as well. The mail has also been sent to EXCO members of PVSA and some other clubs whose EXCO details I have available. So hopefully the PVSA will be able to use the results in the petition. Other than that, the only thing I can still ask is that people sign the petition. Then get your family and friends involved too, and use the petition page's "sharing" functionality to get it into twitter, facebook, etc. as well. And finally to send the details to your contact lists.

http://turnitaround.co.za/petition/peti ... wdERHlRf1r

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:12 pm

leon chetty wrote:These are invasive species and are breeding rapidly, sitting at the Palm Court at Gateway you can see all the fledglings

How on earth can something that breeds once a year if you are lucky be breeding rapidly ???

lets get real !

madas · Post by **madas** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:31 am

Johan S wrote:Lee, you can contact the PVSA directly (details at http://www.aviculturesa.co.za/index.php/contact-us) to enquire about their plan of action. They have been aware of this longer than me. And go sign the petition already. You, and your family. And your extended family. And friends. And neighbours.

Peter, PVSA has never been a "by invitation only" organisation, unless I'm missing something. The old Ringneck breeder association used to be that way, though.

I have compiled a chain mail (oh, how I hate those) notifying people of the situation as well. The mail has also been sent to EXCO members of PVSA and some other clubs whose EXCO details I have available. So hopefully the PVSA will be able to use the results in the petition. Other than that, the only thing I can still ask is that people sign the petition. Then get your family and friends involved too, and use the petition page's "sharing" functionality to get it into twitter, facebook, etc. as well. And finally to send the details to your contact lists.

http://turnitaround.co.za/petition/peti ... wdERHlRf1r

Hi Johan,

the link to your petition isn't working any more. So what'S up with it?

thx madas

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:04 am

Looks like they didn't pay for their hosting. If it isn't resolved early next week, I'll have to start a new one.

Edit: The petition website seems to be up and running again.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:16 pm

Johan S wrote: Edit: The petition website seems to be up and running again.

signed

madas · Post by **madas** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:21 am

minnie wrote:http://www.invasives.org.za/resources/d ... -2014.html.

Can't dontload the PDF. Can someone provide me a copy please?

thx.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:42 am

Madas Here

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/nemba_i ... b_2014.pdf

Zip version to download if problem viewing online.

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/nemba_i ... b_2014.zip

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:01 am

Thanks to everyone who have already signed the petition. We have hit the 150+ signatures mark. Apologies for being forward (but hey, you know me like that!

), but I would like many more. Imagine the social impact of this: you will not be able to purchase a ringneck chick as a pet anymore. Imagine how many people you know who's lives are enriched with a ringneck as a pet. These people are also influenced by this legislation, not only breeders. And therefore, they should also feel free to sign the petition. So feel free to send it to everybody on your contact list, not just breeders of mutations.

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:50 pm

Update: I received an acknowledgement of receipt over one week ago WRT my request for the environmental impact study that the department should have done to enable them to put Ringneck's and Plumb Heads on this list. I yesterday queried why I have not received this impact study and that time is running out for me and my association to evaluate this impact study and respond accordingly.

Lets face the facts, NO impact study was done thus rending this whole Draft Bill invalid. Johan can any of your army draft something along these lines for submission to the department as I am completely swamped under at work at the moment ?

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:04 am

Response revived from Environmental Affairs 2013-03-04 (as I suspected no environmental impact study has been done):

From: Nomahlubi Sishuba [mailto:NSishuba@environment.gov.za]
Sent: 04 March 2014 10:26 AM
To: Peter Oeschger
Subject: Re: DRAFT Legislation (Notice 78 of 2014)

Good morning Peter

My apologies for the late response but we were busy consulting on this. Please find below feedback received from bird specialists. I hope this helps.

Briefly, the species is currently quite limited in range in SA - feral populations mainly in Gauteng and the greater Durban area, although there have been flocks as far north as Sodwana, and sightings of escapees from various other locations. Globally it is regarded as a pest species, with feral populations in the USA, much of Europe, middle East, Japan, Australia, etc. Populations in some regions are growing rapidly (currently 25% per year in the UK). There are several studies to assess impacts on native wildlife, with the main concerns being competition with hole-nesting species for nest sites, crop damage as well as disease vectors (avian influenza, Newcastle disease, avian chlamydiosis). There have been calls for attempts to control populations in the UK, and the British government is currently assessing impacts (see: http://randd.defra.gov.uk/Default.aspx? ... ctID=16369)
For more info, you can also check the invasive species compendium:
http://www.cabi.org/isc/?compid=5&dsid= ... 1&site=144
Rose-ringed Parakeet populations are growing in Johannesburg (W of Sandton) and between Durban and Umhlanga/Ballito. During the 2011 Feral Parrot Survey we noted additional sightings of feral parakeets in Muizenberg (Cape Town) and Beacon bay (East London). The species is very successful in the urban environment and beyond potential impacts on local wildlife can cause damage to homes and businesses when seeking nesting and roosting sites in roofs. In Surrey (England) they cause significant damage to window and roof insulation, causing significant public outcry and persecution. The danger with this species is that population growth becomes near impossible to control once the parrots have established sustainable food resources for 12 months of the year.

Regards

Nomahlubi

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:29 am

Hi All
Anybody know what the latest is on this issue ?

Robert

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:29 am

John and I attended the PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER MEETING - 6 March, 2014 at the South African National Biodiversity Institute (SANBI)

We all need to submit in writing to: NSishuba@environment.gov.za our objections.

* We need to request the Ringnnecks and Pulmheads be remover form the list or at the very minimum downgraded from 1b to a 2

This needs to happen before 12-03-2014

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:15 am

Guys

I have just sent a e-mail and it is real easy .

PLEASE make the effort

Robert

McmillanBirds · Post by **McmillanBirds** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:06 am

I have signed the petition and e-mailed Nomahlubi twice. I decided to google what else was on the invasive species proposal.

Here is the full comprehensive list:
www.gov.za/documents/download.php?f=209566

Just for a laugh, the Strelitzia is on that list- our national flower.
For all you fisherman, bass and rainbow trout is on that list.
Mussels, tiger prawns and a few other seafood items that 90% of the population love to eat are on that list.
Quite a few buck species for those hunters out there.
'indian mynas' are on that list, which is actually a myna and is not an invasive species to this country. They are much more a pest than IRN and plumheads.
Mosquitos are on that list(how the heck are they going to control that one???

)

Well, I really hope a lot of this gets chucked out the window. There are a lot of bored people out there who would just like to put the spanner in the works.

Farzz1 · Post by **Farzz1** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:51 am

Hi
Agreed that this is a joke with regard to the species that been put on the list and a lot of time and money can be spent on serious issues like rhino poaching as they are on the brink of EXTINCTRION but as a matter of urgency has anybody received any feedback for the minister ?

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:45 am

I have also sent my letter of objection. It turned into a bit of an essay. Hope they read it...

And I encourage everybody to write their own letter, esp. if you can add a personal story of how these birds influence your life and living situation.

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:05 pm

Good Morning All, Today is the last day for submissions, Please also address all emails to:

The Deputy Director-General
Environmental Affairs
Environmental Programmes
Attention: Dr Guy Preston

NSishuba@environment.gov.za

Lets remember this is government and they need to know where to route our requests to.

Also no derogatory remarks or foul language please.

McmillanBirds · Post by **McmillanBirds** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:59 pm

So after all is said and done, today is D-Day. Anyone know what time the verdict will be out?

Taliep · Post by **Taliep** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:16 am

Hi All

Some good news. the date was extend to the 8 April and this is subject to all meetings concluded in all Major Cities throughout RSA.

A request to all Breeders, hobbiest , importers and exporters. if you are invited to any of these meetings, please keep your cool and do not aggrevate the situation by threating the Dept in anyway,
comments such as ( we will release our birds into the wild, we wont to be refunded, we wont allow you to do this, you guys are st..p..d, you guys are this and that).

They are willing to listen to us, are open to suggestions and they most important need any and every supporting documentation that indicate and prove that the MUTATIONS bred are not as robust as the wild specimen.

I kindly request each and every breeder e-mail the minister with his/her comments and concerns and request a general meeting even if its a one on one to clear the uncertainty and the grey areas.

All the best to everyone and hope we have everyones loyal support in this regard

Taliep

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:37 am

Thanks Taliep

The feedback is welcome and refreshing .(At least they are willing to listen to us)

Do you know how they are going to arrange the meetings with breeders ?

Also is the goverment going to send a rep to all major citys or are the going to go to larger towns as well ?

Please anyone if you know when the are in the Eastrand area .Give me a shout

Regards
Robert

Taliep · Post by **Taliep** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:07 am

Robert

they are responding to all emails and telephonically contact some of the affected/concerned citizens throughout RSA. When doing this they, ask loads off questions and also ask for some more contact details of all and everyone that you know of. this is the way and means they can make contact to send out the invites for the various scheduled meetings.

Will keep everyone posted about the meeting scheduled for the WESTERN CAPE.

Taliep

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:12 am

Thanks taliep

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:31 am

A meeting is scheduled with the minister for next week with the Parrot Breeders Association of Southern Africa & The Asiatica Parakeet and Parrot Mutation Breeders Association. We are making positive progress, no feedback could be given as we had to meet today to discuss the way forward. I will keep all informed as progress is made.

Taliep · Post by **Taliep** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:35 am

Mr Oeschger.

When and where scheduled for?

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:40 am

Hey Bud, The Minister requested the meeting with the Parrot Breeders Association of Southern Africa & The Asiatica Parakeet and Parrot Mutation Breeders Association, it will be at her office in Cape Town.

Taliep · Post by **Taliep** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:45 am

Thanks Boet will be in contact with my source at the Dept on monday and get more info regarding dates and time

https://www.youtube.com/user/kingtutone · Post by **ringneck** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:27 am

I'm gong to share this via facebook with roughly 8000 IRN lovers. Give me any information, links, etc...I'll start reporting this information via IndainRingneck.com and throughout all my social media channels...does anyone have a google doc account? I'm going to draft a report..perhaps we can all come and edit the document before I make it live via facebook. Who's in?

Best Wishes,

IMRAN-C

Imma start doing some research..ok!?

Farzz1 · Post by **Farzz1** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:11 am

sorted

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:14 pm

Most certainly in

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:32 am

Hi All,

Some good news for a change, I looks like we have won the battle with Environmental Affairs but you know what they say "it ain't over till its over"

We have managed to get Plumb Heads removed from the list altogether.

Wild type ringnecks will remain 1b on the list and will need to be eradicated (so wild plain green ringnecks, keep in mind that green split blue qualifies as a mutation)

Mutated ringnecks (everything we own) will be moved to level 2 on the list and will require a permit to keep.

We won this war by pointing out that Green Wild Type ringnecks are the ones in the wild and that the mutations that we breed are weaker and would not survive in the wild.

So going forward we would need is to be a registered breeder get a permit to keep, breed and export and to ensure that all ALL birds are rung.

More details to follow !

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:55 am

"killing two birds with one stone so to speak"

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:30 pm

That's Great News !!

Well done to everyone.
I think that's a great result in the long run.

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:05 am

Hello all, does anyone know what's the latest news on this issue?

Thanks
Lushen

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:43 pm

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:56 pm

Hi Peter, thanks for the reply, also got that email, but my Afrikaans is not good, can you please translate for me and others that did Afrikaans as a second language at school

Thanks
Lushen

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:38 am

Lushen, are you saying that people that take a second language in an SA school can't read that language? What is our education system coming to?

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:23 am

No, but u know the saying, "What you don't use, you lose", and I done grade 12 in 1995, so that was a long time ago

Thanks
Lushen

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:40 am

"google translate boet"

Lushen1600 · Post by **Lushen1600** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:07 pm

Tried google translate, it doesn't do a good job

Thanks
Lushen

Farzz1 · Post by **Farzz1** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:47 am

From: Guy Preston [mailto:GPreston@environment.gov.za]
Sent: 02 June 2014 04:22 PM
To: CRAIG (GDARD) WHITTINGTON-JONES; Phoebe Barnard; Philip Ivey; Craig Symes,sherwin.maharaj@liblink.co.za
Cc: conservation@birdlife.org.za; Dave Richardson; Colleen Downs; Steve@wildbirdtrust.com
Subject: RE: Risk assessments of three potentially invasive bird species - peafowl and the two parakeets

Dear Craig, Phoebe and Colleagues

Please note that the rose-ring parakeet is now Category 2 - may only be kept with a Permit. Outside of the Permit, they must be destroyed. However, the hobbyists have been most co-operative, and I think we need to see whether the various measures they have agreed to (standards for caging, double doors, and a registry for all birds), as well as committing to have the feral populations killed by wing-shooters. We certainly need to look at this option, before taking any hard line on the species. It is apparently the green variety that is predominantly invasive. Pet-shops remain a challenge, and the pinioning of birds is not without controversy. They will have to have a Permit.

Sorry for the late response. I have had a couple of misinformed fly-fishers to sort out!

Regards

Guy

Dr Guy Preston
Deputy Director-General: Environmental Programmes
Department of Environmental Affairs
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>>> On 14 April 2014 at 12:41 PM, in message <0C6491600E6B9441891259ECC8CB06B8021161CA563B@CPTSVMEX04.sanbi.local>, Phoebe Barnard <P.Barnard@sanbi.org.za> wrote:

Farzz1 · Post by **Farzz1** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:05 pm

From: Guy Preston [mailto:GPreston@environment.gov.za]
Sent: 02 June 2014 04:22 PM
To: CRAIG (GDARD) WHITTINGTON-JONES; Phoebe Barnard; Philip Ivey; sherwin.maharaj@liblink.co.za
Cc: conservation@birdlife.org.za; Dave Richardson; Colleen Downs; Steve@wildbirdtrust.com
Subject: RE: Risk assessments of three potentially invasive bird species - peafowl and the two parakeets

Dear Craig, Phoebe and Colleagues

Please note that the rose-ring parakeet is now Category 2 - may only be kept with a Permit. Outside of the Permit, they must be destroyed. However, the hobbyists have been most co-operative, and I think we need to see whether the various measures they have agreed to (standards for caging, double doors, and a registry for all birds), as well as committing to have the feral populations killed by wing-shooters. We certainly need to look at this option, before taking any hard line on the species. It is apparently the green variety that is predominantly invasive. Pet-shops remain a challenge, and the pinioning of birds is not without controversy. They will have to have a Permit.

Sorry for the late response. I have had a couple of misinformed fly-fishers to sort out!

Regards

Guy

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Wessel Gordon · Post by **Wessel Gordon** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:28 am

Does the permit apply to pet IRN's as well and if so where can a permit be obtained?

Deon Smith · Post by **Deon Smith** » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:04 am

Wow but the typo in Louis Bothma's letter is beyond terrible!

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:42 pm

Regulations published, regulations available for down load below

https://www.facebook.com/groups/724798574234298/

Wessel Gordon · Post by **Wessel Gordon** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:46 am

I've read through that but I still don't understand if people interested in breeding IRN's need permits since I couldn't spot the words "parakeet" or "parrot" between all the legal jargon.

Could someone with a better understanding of what all that actually means for breeders please clarify it for me and others that I'm sure don't understand it either?

Kind regards,

Wessel

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:52 pm

Hi Wessel,

The long and short of it is as follows, you are going to need a permit to keep ringnecks, you are going to need a permit to transport ringnecks and a permit to export ringnecks.

Wessel Gordon · Post by **Wessel Gordon** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:03 am

Thanks Prodigy

At the moment I only have one pair separated from the rest of my flock to see if they are indeed interested in breeding (they are in an aviary with a nest but no mating or eggs I'm aware of yet) . My other IRN's, for various reasons such as health issues and age, are kept as pets at the moment. I do not intend to breed IRN's on a commercial scale but rather keep them as a hobby so if they raise a few chicks all is well and if they don't it's not going to financially ruin me.

That brings me to a couple of questions:

1. What is the requirements to obtain a permit?
2. Does pet owners who keeps IRN's purely as a hobby require a permit as well? (I'm thinking of owners who keep males and females and inevitably there is going to be eggs that hatch every now and then)
3. Is the permit issued based on the number of birds you have or breeding pairs?
4. What is the costs involved in getting a permit?
5. Assuming I do need a permit for the single "breeding pair" I have where can such a permit be obtained?

Kind regards,

Wessel Gordon

mickeyd · Post by **mickeyd** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:33 pm

Wessel Gordon wrote:Thanks Prodigy

At the moment I only have one pair separated from the rest of my flock to see if they are indeed interested in breeding (they are in an aviary with a nest but no mating or eggs I'm aware of yet) . My other IRN's, for various reasons such as health issues and age, are kept as pets at the moment. I do not intend to breed IRN's on a commercial scale but rather keep them as a hobby so if they raise a few chicks all is well and if they don't it's not going to financially ruin me.

That brings me to a couple of questions:

1. What is the requirements to obtain a permit?
2. Does pet owners who keeps IRN's purely as a hobby require a permit as well? (I'm thinking of owners who keep males and females and inevitably there is going to be eggs that hatch every now and then)
3. Is the permit issued based on the number of birds you have or breeding pairs?
4. What is the costs involved in getting a permit?
5. Assuming I do need a permit for the single "breeding pair" I have where can such a permit be obtained?

Kind regards,

Wessel Gordon

Wessel

The best U can do to get all your answers is to join a club (even if u only have a few IRN) as far as I know they are still busy with the detail a permit will have. It doesn't matter if u have 1 or 100 IRN U will still need to have a permit and if u do sell yours in time the person buying them will have to own a permit. I am sure as soon as there is more answers the Forum wil share asap.

Regards

Wessel Gordon · Post by **Wessel Gordon** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:38 am

Thanks Mickeyd

I'm in a small town that has more hadida birds than people so I guess I will have to find a club in Kimberley that's not too far from here and where I used to live.

Regards,

Wessel

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:30 am

Wessel, you can either join a regional club (like Diamantveld in the Kimberley region), or a national club like the Parrot Breeders Association of SA or the South African Asiatic Parakeet & Parrot Breeders Association (old Ringnektelersvereniging). I'm not sure yet how the Dept. of Environmental Affairs are going to manage the members of the national clubs, but preliminary talks suggested that the regional clubs will have the authority to do the inspection of aviaries and issue permits. Don't believe this as gospel, though. Nothing is set in stone yet.

Wessel Gordon · Post by **Wessel Gordon** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:32 am

Thanks Johan

I spoke to a member of the Diamantveld club earlier this morning and he promised to get back to me as soon as there is any new developments. Like you and others suggested I'm considering joining the club if for no other reason than enjoying it.

Wessel

BuksV · Post by **BuksV** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:56 am

Halo
I am from Sundra area next to springs and not far from Bennoni +_ 30km.
Where can I find or obtain information about IRN clubs in the area. I do belong to the
S.A Parrot association. I only started breeding with them last year mmm only had one baby.
This year very happy with results so far. With 39 chicks and stil over 30 eggs in the nests.
I would really be greatful if some one can tell me where do i find a club around this areas.

Thanks
Buks

Buddy4us · Post by **Buddy4us** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:11 am

Hi to everybody.

First time owner of a Ring neck. Its a blue one. I bought it from the pet shop. They didn't say anything about a license or even mentioning it. Do we need one if we are only brought this one into our home as a loving pet and not as a way to make money or breed at a later stage? I might also have to mention Buddy is only 29 days old. Sorry if the equation was answered in the thread, I had a look and didn't pick anything up.

Thank you in advance.