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Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it is

Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:19 am

Hi everyone

I recently bought a 3 month old chick with colouring I haven't seen before and was wondering if experienced breeders might help identify the mutation.

I do not have pics of him/her yet so any suggestions of which parts of the bird I should photograph for identification would be appreciated.

What I can tell so far is this: I bought it from a breeder that had to stop breeding IRN's for personal reasons and from what he told me the hen was lutino and the cock white (I did not get to see the parents). The chick, however, has red eyes which confuses me.

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Post by sheyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:34 am

Albino, Lutino, Pallid, Cinnamon ect all hatch with red eyes with then turn darker, then lighten up to blue.

What does your chick look like? from two Ino parents- it can only be Ino itself

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:40 am

Sheyd,

The chick has a white head and body, with silver on the wings and "cinnamon"/light brown on the flight feathers.

I'm not all that sure about all the right terminology for the various body-parts but I hope my explanation makes sense.

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:43 am

could you email me some pics? cannonboy@bigpond.com

Wing/s outstretched- whole side profile shot, and a back shot would be good

ah- nevermind- I see you can add pics yourself- :)

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:50 am

Cannonboy,

I can try but I'm not a prize-winning photographer.

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:15 am

lol.. they just need to be clear.. and with natural light

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:31 am

OK, did my best with a camera-shy/skittish bird. I'm just waiting for the software to download that I need to download the pic from my phone then I'll post it on this thread.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:36 am

I just tried to download the picture to this site but I keep getting the message that the file is too big.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:26 am

Shey

With all my unsuccessful picture taking today I did notice that the chick's eyes are starting to darken. I did get a nice shot showing his/her back (including tail-feathers) if you want me to email that to you as well. I already e-mailed you the best of the previous bunch I took.

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:27 pm

pic for wesselgordon:

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It could possibly be a Grey PallidIno +/- Cinnamon, which would make the sire a PallidIno too (if true)- what were the nest siblings?

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:48 pm

Shey

Thanks for the upload of the picture.

The siblings I saw had a similar body colour with the head the same colour as my bird's body. The only difference was that they had lutino (yellow) patches over the wings and back which is obviously lacking in this bird.

As mentioned in an earlier post I did manage to get a shot showing it's back and colour a bit more clearly.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:46 am

I forgot to ask in my previous post: if it is a grey pallidino +/- cinnamon will it develop a ring if it's male?

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Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:09 am


Yes to your Q. a brown/black faint neckring

Your bird being young could also be just a grey pallid (hard to tell from that pic) (some grey pallids are almost white when young) & the other sibling you described could be a turquoiseBlue ?grey? pallid

If INO is involved the other could be pallidino turquoise male.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:13 am

So it's possible that the chick will change into it's true colour over time?

I do have a shot showing the back, wings and tail but I keep on getting messages that the image is too big.

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:14 am

It could darken a tad

email them to shey, she will post them for you.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:18 am

Thanks.

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Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:30 am

have a look here at some pallid colors

http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutation ... Pallid.htm
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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:51 am

Thanks for the link but I have a novice question: what is a pallid?

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Post by madas » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:21 am

Wessel Gordon wrote:Thanks for the link but I have a novice question: what is a pallid?
Pallid is same like Lacewing. :)

http://www.mutavi.info/index.php?ref=newnames

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:10 am

Molossus,

It did have red eyes when it was younger but they are turning black.

Madas,

A lacewing being a bird that has a lighter coloured wing than the rest of the bird?

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:17 am

Got the pics- just waiting for them to all download- and then I'll post

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:27 am

Shey

Thanks a lot for all the trouble.

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:06 am

I'll go with Cinnamon Grey PallidIno until proven otherwise :lol: 8)

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:15 am

Thanks Shey

Until proven otherwise is that a sex-linked mutation?

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Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:57 am

Shey,

look at this thread
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8306&hilit=cinnamon+pallid


my take
for sure it is a grey pallid
possibly + INO

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:38 pm

shame there were no Cinnamon PallidIno's in that thread-- I wouldn't rule it out for Wessel's bird just yet?

if you're interested, have a look at this bird- (scroll down for the user SP) what do you think it is?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/115024208646353/

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:41 pm

Wessel Gordon wrote:Thanks Shey

Until proven otherwise is that a sex-linked mutation?

Wessel
three (potential) sex-linked mutations: Cinnamon, Ino and Pallid.
..........

Those feet look very, very pink for just Pallid?

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:56 pm

So to be sure about the sex either wait two years or have it checked by a vet?

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by sheyd » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:35 am

You could get it surgically sexed- I prefer the dna sexing (drop of blood from toe) as less evasive- though surgically sexing has its pros

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by Wessel Gordon » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:21 am

Thanks Shey

In a town about 50 miles from here there's a garden centre with birds that regularly gets an avian vet for consultations with breeders/owners. He sexes IRN's by putting them to sleep and then pushing an endoscope into a specific spot between the wings. Not sure if that's the procedure you refer to as "surgically sexing".

Will have to find out when his next visit is but he's usually fully booked in advance so you have to be on your toes about getting an appointment with him.

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Post by Wessel Gordon » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:04 pm

Just a quick update.

The above bird has been surgically sexed as male on the 24th of July.


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Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:04 am

Sheyd

Not yet. Unfortunately he looks a bit scruffy right now due to being caught by hand by me and the vet but if you are willing to overlook that I can see what I can come up with.

Is there any areas of the bird that I should concentrate on when trying to take pics?

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Re: Acquired a new chick and curious as to which mutation it

Post by Wessel Gordon » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:12 am

I found another bird on Facebook that looks incredibly like mine (the bird in front in this pic). The only difference is that mine does not have the blue on the upper part of the tail.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

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