what is this mutation?

[NelsonPL]

hello
what do you think about this mutation?




bird is about 5 months old

father is blue split to pallid/pallidino and mother is turquise cinnamon grey

[keeskk16]

looks like cinnamon but i don't know for sure

do you got a picture of her parents

[NelsonPL]

well, I thought about turquise grey

am i right??

[keeskk16]

yes there is turquoise grey

but there are more colours then that

i think there is also cinnamon

it is not pallid because pallid has a white head

[NelsonPL]

well ok
this pic was taken about 3 weeks ago and now bird has got more olive

In the weekend I will take a new pic

[willowisp71]

My guess would be a Pallid turquoise grey?? And a hen - if the parents mutations are correct?

I've entered the cock as a blue split to pallid, and the hen as a grey turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon, (i'm assuming the hen is a turquoiseblue (sf), and not a DF Turquoise);

1.0 blue /pallid
x 0.1 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 blue /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /pallid cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 blue /pallid cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid cinnamon
% from all 0.1
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) blue pallid
12.5% 0.1 blue pallid
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) blue
12.5% 0.1 blue
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue

All male offspring will be split to pallid or pallid cinnamon, but visually look grey, blue, turquoiseblue grey, or turquoiseblue. Female chicks will be grey pallids, blue pallids, turquoiseblue grey pallids, turquoiseblue pallids, or blue, grey, turquoiseblue grey and turquoiseblue.

Were there any other chicks from this pairing? And are their colours known?

Also, pallids only have white heads in blue series birds (blue, grey(blue series), violets, cobalts etc) - green series pallids have yellow heads, as do turquoiseblue birds, so this bird could definitely be a pallid.

If the dad was ALSO carrying cinnamon as a split, the chick pictured could also possibly be a cinnamon turquoise grey. Would love to see another photo of it if you could upload a more recent one? I'm intrigued about the 'Olive' you spoke about in your last post??

Either way, I'm pretty sure this bird is at least turquoise grey, and either a pallid or a cinnamon, depending on dad's true genetics

[Ring0Neck]

Nelson,

turquoise grey cinnamon-*ino hen
*ino not 100% sure as i never bred a cin-ino crossover bird.
for this to be so father has to be a Blue/cinnamon/ino
you can not have split ino & pallid

[willowisp71]

Hi Ring0,

Ahh, so you think the dad was a blue/cinnamon ino, rather than my guess of a blue/pallid?

I knew he couldn't have been split to pallidIno, as that's not possible - so I just assumed split pallid instead. But yes, I see how your calculation could work also, and account for the lack of grey coming through, with cinnamon washing out the colour and ino masking the grey further. Good call

[keeskk16]

I think it is just cinnamon because ino masks grey completely

And cinnamon-ino is born as an INO and get's darker wh
en they got older

[willowisp71]

For this bird to be cinnamon, the dad would have to be carrying the cinnamon mutation as well (hen's on their own can't produce visual cinnamons).

I also think this bird is way too light to be just a turquoise grey cinnamon - I think something else is at play here.

Another photo would be helpful, especially if she/he has changed colour since this pic was taken?

[blueindianringneck]

What ever you call it, that's one beautiful bird!