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Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:05 am

Hi there,
I am new to this forum and to breeding indian ringnecks. I have got this lovely pair, and I am curious what colour the babies might be from them. The female has started playing around in the nesting box, but no eggs yet. Kinda getting impatient, lol.

So please, if anyone knows what the babies might turn out, leave a post.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by SCB 22 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:14 am

So that you can get accurate results, which is your female? And how old is the pair? :-) good luck, ive only just got my first 3 eggs for the season, but i checked this weekend and YAY all 3 are fertile.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:20 am

The white is male the blue is female. I'm not even sure what the right colour names are for them. Lol. This is their first breeding season, so maybe 2 years old?

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by sheyd » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:13 am

Albino females and Blue males :)

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:15 am

Ah cool. Interesting how the colours work. :) can't wait for them to start laying.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:27 am

Do you have another pic of the male?
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:44 am

No, why? What do you need to know? :)

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:20 am


In that pic your male seems as if the head is pure white but the rest of the body a washed out color, greyish blue
in which case he would make a candidate for pallidino or light phase pallid.
Is the bird all white overall uniform white or more like what i described above?

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:29 am

He is all white. I can take another photo tomorrow, if he will keep still, lol.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:47 am

Must be your computer Ben lol. Looks white to me :)
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:22 am

Lol

I have 2 monitors ...

It's my eyes :shock:

know a good optom. ? :roll: i just need the "Doc" to remove Emerald out of my eyes :lol:
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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:53 am

:lol: sorry...that's a permanent condition
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Gratz » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:57 pm

Hello,
Just reading this post and I can see what Ben is on about, the head on the male does look white compared to the body (which does look like a washed out very light grey)

Ben , I do know a very good optometrist , last time I went to see him he sat me in the chair , opened the curtains and told me to look outside , then he asked me if I could see the sun , I said yes I can , so he said well how much further do you want to see ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:32 pm

I see it (I saw it) it's not the first (or the last).. I believe that Ino gives a clearhead- and you can see it under certain light or angles.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:25 pm

Gosh darn it, it's so hard to put up decent photos because of me being a new user, :P

Sorry for the poor photos.

I have taken some more photos today. I took another of the female as well.

The females photo was with flash because she was in her box, so her colours may be more vibrant. :)

Hope these photos are better than the first one.
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:16 pm

Thanks for the pics.
Albino it is.

best of luck with the breeding and let us know what you get from them, should be as Shey/Sky said: albino hens and blue males
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:22 pm

So the mutation of them is Albino and Blue?

I'm not entirely sure what the actual names are for the colours. :)

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:43 pm

Tabaneske wrote:So the mutation of them is Albino and Blue?

I'm not entirely sure what the actual names are for the colours. :)
that's right :)

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:07 am

Cool, I can't wait for them to start breeding. But at the moment all the female does (her name is Sapphire) is sit in her box and do nothing. I haven't actually caught them in the act, just the male (his name is Quartz) feeding the female. He is always bobbing his head for her, even when she isn't interested.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Sherjil » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:15 am

Small Query : a normal blue with camera flash appears sea green; but this female is showing intense blue with camera flash (interestingly the tail isnt the intense) , isnt she more than a normal blue (perhaps a Dark or Deep factor involved) ?

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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:55 am

I noticed that too- but put it down to her body angle as opposed to her tail angle. (She looks like a normal enough Blue in the first, but as you know pics can be deceiving)

With that said, I'd like to see another pic without flash next to another (normal) Blue just for comparisons sake.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:06 am

Maybe it's a reflection of the flash off of the breeding box. Looks to be a metal box.
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Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:33 am

It's a wooden box.

I will try to get a pic of her when she is out of her box. But she always hides when I go in the aviary. She is so sneaky.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by smick » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:33 am

Tabaneske the others forget to mention that the male offspring will be visual blue but split for ino (albino=blueino) and yes the hens will all be blueino . So if you wanted to breed albino(blueino) cocks just keep one blue/ino cock and pair up to enougher albino (blueino) hen.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:57 am

Ah, that is very helpful.

How would you breed one that has a different coloured head to its body?

I like those ones, they are pretty.

Is it true that if they are not brought up in a multi coloured flock, they won't pair up with a mate of a different colour to their own colour?

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Post by smick » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:14 am

No you can pair up different colours regardless off what colours the birds are used to, only need to pair ones up that breed desirable colours so that your not stuck with young that nobody wants eg try to avoid pairing a violet blue to albino as ino will mask the violet. Any of the pallids will have a different head colour to the body and are not to expensive or if you can afford it clear head and tails are enougher, thanks Smick

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:02 am

So do you think the pair I have is an alright pair to get desirable young out of?

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:17 am

By me in the states, pure blues are getting harder to get. Most of the males are all split to something. I'd say find yourself a pure blue cock bird and breed pure blues :D
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:56 pm

There are plenty of blues here. There were like 5 in the pet store. So I think there are plenty of them around. The pet store owner was interested that I had a white male though, so maybe she will buy the white bubs from me. The local community contributes to the birds in this store.

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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:21 pm

smick wrote:Tabaneske the others forget to mention that the male offspring will be visual blue but split ino
Did not forget, saw no need- the op asked what 'colours' they'd get- not what what splits they'd get ;)
Keep it simple- if they're interested then they'll ask more questions.

I wouldn't put a male chick back with its' mother- simply because Albinos and Lutinos are in abundance - why line breed when you don't/won't need to? :/

Taban: buy a Lutino(yellow) or Albino(white) hen- that way 100% of the offspring will be Lutinos or Albinos of both sexes when paired with your Albino cock.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:29 pm

What colours would people be after? Although I am new to breeding ringnecks, I plan on increasing my breeding pairs in the future.

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:39 pm

Tabaneske wrote:What colours would people be after? Although I am new to breeding ringnecks, I plan on increasing my breeding pairs in the future.
if you're breeding for the pet market- Albinos and Lutinos are popular :wink: if you're wanting to mutation breed, then stay away from anything with Ino or split to Ino. as Ino will mask structural mutations like Violet.

so, it really depends on what your're hoping to achieve :)

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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:44 pm

Okay. Well the whole reason I love breeding birds is to see the colour mutations that occur. So I guess I am interested in breeding them for the range of colour. :)

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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:11 pm

Tabaneske wrote:Okay. Well the whole reason I love breeding birds is to see the colour mutations that occur. So I guess I am interested in breeding them for the range of colour. :)
- yep, that's why the majority of us are here :D

The possibilities are endless- just stay away from Ino (Albino-Creamino & Lutino cocks and hens) as-well as any cocks split for Ino.

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Tabaneske wrote:There are plenty of blues here. There were like 5 in the pet store. So I think there are plenty of them around. The pet store owner was interested that I had a white male though, so maybe she will buy the white bubs from me. The local community contributes to the birds in this store.
You're lucky :D almost everything on this island is split to Ino lol. I'm breeding blues and turquoise blues this year just to be sure I don't have any males that are splits. I don't want any Ino lol.
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:39 pm

Ino are albino, lutino and creamino?

Edit: Also here are two more photos of my girl. She actually has a sorta purple/mauve colouring through her...
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She seems fairly exhausted after laying this egg. What can I do to help her energize up a bit?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:52 pm

Congrats :D but Awww poor baby :( what are you feeding? And she is a blue :D
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Post by Tabaneske » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:21 am

I am feeding mixed seed and corn on the cob. I have bought some cuttlefish today, but that's if she will munch on it.

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Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:18 am

I have 3 eggs now! So excited!

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Post by Sherjil » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:57 am

Tabaneske wrote:I have 3 eggs now! So excited!
Congrats please give the pair a chopped boiled eggs mixed with a white bread slice (make bred crumbs of the slice).
People call it egg food , there are different variations to this but this is the basic egg food. It is a good source of calcium and other nutrients which the pair needs during breeding as well as the chicks for development after hatching.
Dont forget to take away the remaining egg food once the pair has finished eating at the end of day as bacterias quickly develop and contaminate it.

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Post by SCB 22 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:48 pm

Tabaneske wrote:I have 3 eggs now! So excited!

I have 3 eggs myself, due to hatch in the next 7 days, so am just as excited as you!! All of mine are fertile, so now i must just be patient. Have you been able to candle your eggs? Is she finished laying?

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Post by Tabaneske » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:38 am

Thanks for the advice on the egg food. I will make up some so she can have a nibble.

SCB 22 wrote:Have you been able to candle your eggs? Is she finished laying?
I haven't been able to just yet, but I might wait another week before I give it a shot. I think she has finished laying, but I won't be sure until she gives me a proper look. :)

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Post by Liefie » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:25 pm

SCB 22 wrote:So that you can get accurate results, which is your female? And how old is the pair? :-) good luck, ive only just got my first 3 eggs for the season, but i checked this weekend and YAY all 3 are fertile.
does the age of the pair make any difference to the colour of the babies?

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No...the color of the babies is dictated by the color of the parents, not their ages.
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Post by SCB 22 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:56 pm

Sorry should have said, reason i asked age, is with younger birds, (in my experience) if it is their first clutch, you may not get many fertile eggs, with my young birds, their first season breeding ive had one clutch of completely infertile eggs from each female, then second clutch they seem to do their thing right, and ive got ALL fertile from then on....

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Post by Tabaneske » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:42 am

What does split mean exactly. I am seeing all these mutations with people saying split to green or split to blue or whatever, what does that even mean? :?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:41 am

It means that they are carrying the gene for the mutation without visual manifestation of the mutation. For example...if you pair a blue split to pallid male with a blue hen you can get a visual blue pallid hen in the nest even though neither of the parents visually were pallids. Now it doesn't always work exactly like that because there are different modes of inheritance such as recessive, dominant, and sex linked. But that gives you an idea. Hope that helps :D
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Re: Curious on what you think?

Post by Tabaneske » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:45 pm

I think I am getting it slowly. Can they be split more than one thing? And can they sometimes turn out with grandparent or great grandparents colouring?

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Yes...they can be split to more than one mutation. But it's not like in humans. The parent bird has to be either visual or split to that mutation to produce that mutation. :D
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Post by Tabaneske » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Okay, so why are there sex linked mutations? How do they work?

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Oh boy lol. We could be here all day :D get this book if you can. It will help you :D

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Post by Tabaneske » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:53 pm

Lol, I mostly know genetics in budgies, as they were my first birds that I bred, then came cockatiels and then finches. But now that I think about it, I still never really bred forcolour I just bred for the sake of breeding. Also I guess being oblivious to genetics, it makes seeing what colour the babbabies end up is always exciting. I want to learn to Pick the right parents for the right colour babies, but I like the surprise really. If I purposefully breed for a colour, I know what I am going to get, which then ruins the surprise. Does that make sense?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:44 pm

It does make sense...but when you start breeding some of the more complex mutations there is no guarantees to outcomes at all. So you still get those surprises in the nest :D
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Post by Tabaneske » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:48 pm

That is true. I will just have to learn the complex mutations and try to breed those.

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