What is the mutation where body is blue tail is violet?

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:54 am

Skyes_crew wrote:My reg blues actually turn purple lol. Maybe water isn't the most reliable test

yes, I agree!

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:02 am

Sky,

Willy's reply I can't say that will apply to my case.
Probably true when water drips down the feathers, but when soaked (from rain) blue feathers look dirty grey, as if they played in the mud.

My pic you have seen the turquoiseblue that turned dirty grey next to the bird that turned green (siblings), at first it was a light green then after an hour or so once feathers soaked well, it turned darker green & stayed that way till it dried.
I've had seen hundreds of wet ringnecks after heavy rain and non other looked pretty.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:30 am

actually Ben, you have a point- it can't be argued that water isn't reliable between nest siblings of the same nature- ie your chicks and ranechild's- why is it that they show different charateristics?. Your chick showing that 'green' was the first I'd ever seen (bar rane's as I thought was flash)

What does it mean? that is the question.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:47 am

What does it mean? that is the question.

Yep, that's the Q ! & we're going to find out soon, i just wish it would rain... so i could have many samples.
At this point if i had to Guess i'd say these birds carry as Molossus said; Deep or perhaps the PR modifier
this is just the best explanation i have ATM.
More work needed but this is solvable reasonably quick IMO

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:30 am

Ring0Neck wrote:Sky,

Willy's reply I can't say that will apply to my case.
Probably true when water drips down the feathers, but when soaked (from rain) blue feathers look dirty grey, as if they played in the mud.

My pic you have seen the turquoiseblue that turned dirty grey next to the bird that turned green (siblings), at first it was a light green then after an hour or so once feathers soaked well, it turned darker green & stayed that way till it dried.
I've had seen hundreds of wet ringnecks after heavy rain and non other looked pretty.

I'm thinking willy was referring to violet blue in that instance, vs a dark or double factor bird. Either way, even though mine had the green effect in the sun, it was immediate and didn't escalate with time. My bird also has some unknown factors we're dealing with so probably not the best example to begin with. I jumped to the conclusion that all violets will turn green based on Ranechild's and my bird. I do still question the validity of the test on mikes bird though, because we are unsure if its the violet reacting or the emerald. At this point, I still believe its the violet that is reacting in his bird, not the emerald.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:00 am

At this point, I still believe its the violet that is reacting in his bird, not the emerald.

Sky,

I was thinking any or specific parblue + violet ? dark? or combo?

I expect rain soon i'll take some pics then.

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:18 am

Ill see if I can borrow one of my partners turq violets to experiment with. It'll have to be next week though.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:03 am

I got 15 min rain today, i got the same bird + his brother turned green again pic below.
I did not notice others turning green only dirty brown and some did not get wet
more rain is forcast...

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157.jpg

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106157AL.jpg (same pic only Auto correcting the lighting )

check out how the pied looked after the rain...

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PB106139.JPG

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:03 pm

Lee, that kind of reminds me of the hen I had-

http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=17758

that kind of marking (link above) according to Rob Web, (on the fb Australian mutations page)- as I found through someone else, who posted the same question- is some kind of stress barring that involves pigment-

trabots · Post by **trabots** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:37 pm

And another, in this case the bird was a Violet Mauve

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:13 am

Found another showing green when wet.

Could guess what it is if bored (Hint: young )

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/DSC_0174.jpg
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/DSC_0169.jpg

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:24 am

I'll play

sfViolet Blue?

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:25 am

+ ...

1st Hint + another hint: the dry feathers ;)

3rd hint: which mutation does not show its pattern when young?, 4th: i know you know

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:45 am

I can't make out much detail on my phone, but my thinking is that because you were surprised that two other non parblue members bird's showed green while wet, that yours is also Turquoise

???

Haha- you edited your post! I see it's Indigo, not Turquoise

Ps--- I think I know what one of my Violets is now that they're going through their molts

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:48 am

No Parblue; no molt
he is 5 or so weeks old

reread 4th hint

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:50 am

Lol!!!

It's not edged is it...?

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:55 am

Bingo Yahtzee Yeeeee

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:57 am

Haha you threw me when you hadn't seen one shine green that wasn't a parblue!

Honestly, though I wouldn't have guessed edged unless for that last clue.. How bout a pic of the rest of them!?

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:15 am

He is the only 1

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:35 am

Ring0Neck wrote:He is the only 1

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:58 pm

My pic of za week

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/wng.jpg

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:23 am

Nice one Ben. What are we looking at? Dark, violet, deep?

For interest sake, could you photograph that one for me in full sunlight? Pretty please.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:37 am

Johan,

I'd like to know what you were thinking when you said to take pics in the sun?

I think i know what you thinking and curious if i'm right and it has nothing to do with deep dark or violet, right?

(irrelevant for now to what the bird is or isn't)

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:42 am

Ring0Neck wrote:Johan,

I'd like to know what you were thinking when you said to take pics in the sun?

I think i know what you thinking and curious if i'm right and it has nothing to do with deep dark or violet, right?
(irrelevant for now to what the bird is or isn't)

You want me to go stick my head in another potential hornets nest so soon ???

Take the pic so long while I 'compose my thoughts'. But yes, between you and Madas you have both been very successful in the past in reading my thoughts prior to me posting them on publicly. Of course, it could have helped that my thoughts were composed in a very neatly written email.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:43 am

no hornets i promise

or should i say: i promise no hornets

I can not reveal publicly what this bird is yet

partial pic you asked for since you've partially answered my Q

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:51 am

My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:06 am

Johan S wrote:My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.

I think you may have an obsession with tail feathers...and stirring hornets nests

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:20 pm

Johan,
pic in full sun
Here it is:

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_0233.jpg

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:10 am

Skyes_crew wrote:
Johan S wrote:My mistake, I could have sworn I asked for a pic of the tail.
I think you may have an obsession with tail feathers...and stirring hornets nests

ME ????

How dare you!

Ring0Neck wrote:Johan,
pic in full sun
Here it is:

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_0233.jpg

Ben, that bird reminds me a lot of the NT violet birds this side of the Indian Ocean. I'll see if I can arrange a pic for you. Is the bird out of violet, deep, dark, etc. parents? I would put it to a mauve first, or a cobalt as second choice. The nice thing about any structural mutation combined with cobalt is that it gives you a very good idea what you are dealing with, cobalt violet will have a distinct phenotype from DF dark, and if I understand correctly, from cobalt deep, i.e a dark violet, a mauve and a deeper dark blue phenotype. From there you can focus your initial allelic interaction investigation more accurately. And of course, a famous quote, "DF or nothing". But you know this stuff.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:46 am

Yes ! to all
I PMed you earlier

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:18 am

Johan S wrote: Ben, that bird reminds me a lot of the NT violet birds this side of the Indian Ocean. I'll see if I can arrange a pic for you.

post here- pretty please

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:10 am

Sorry, we had an overcast day yesterday.

Soft shade

Semi-shade

This one does appear a shade or two darker than Ben's, though. I'll wait for full sun and try again, but one second investigation I suspect the result will remain the same.

Ben, is that bone white toe nail consistent in all the nails?

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:40 am

Johan,

Nails are darker, pic was taken in full sunlight.
too early for mine to judge by nails, in a couple of months nail's true color will emerge.

I too think your young bird is lightly darker than mine.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:28 am

Quiz:
What is the bird that is cut out ?
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/greenz.jpg
don't say green

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:31 am

greenZ?

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:36 am

You Got it !!

... Next

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:43 pm

I think that mostly the colour change is a trick of the light- at certain angles it appears 'maroon' others- 'eggplant purple'- and then others just darker 'wet'

light from behind:

overhead:

Do you find it's the same with your Blues Melissa?
..........
Ben, the colours of light reflecting off of your chick is just amazing

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:18 pm

Shey...yes. Also how soaked the feather is makes a difference. It's overcast today, but tomorrow when I turn on the misters for the birds ill take pics of what they look like at different angles.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Cool- looking forward to your results

here's another:

no flash used on any, same light source (window), same session- but different angles.

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:25 pm

Sorry for the delay shey. We've been under horrible heavy rains for two days. I managed to get pics during a break in the weather.

Blue/cinnamon-pallid Male

Blue Hen

Turquoise Male

TurquoiseBlue Male

They only managed to drag their tails through the rain water lol. Ill try for body shots when the weather clears more. Not sure when that will be, its rainy season. I cant complain though. Good rain brings good breeding results here. The blues turn full on purple. It's a sight to see

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:27 pm

sounds like you're having our weather (which is typical for this time of year) I love the rain- storms, dark days makes it so much cooler when you're living in a such a hot tropical environment. Birds seem to enjoy it too.

Thanks for the pics- looks very much like my results

InTheAir · Post by **InTheAir** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:16 am

Our turquoise blue's tail goes that weird purple colour and our violet edged goes an electric turquoise colour.

Skyes_crew · Post by **Skyes_crew** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:42 am

Claire...I think One of bens birds has that reaction too. My violet turns a deep turquoise color.

InTheAir · Post by **InTheAir** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:55 am

Opps, I didn't look through the whole thread throughly. It was his violet edged, right?

prodigy · Post by **prodigy** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:11 pm

So i would like your thoughts on the following two birds.

The photo's do not do these bird's justice, the bodies appear "blue" and the tails "emerald"

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:17 pm

Peter,

Could you post an updated pic of your turq.blue opaline young?

My first thought: your birds are SF NT Deeps/ NT Violets.

Johan S · Post by **Johan S** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:04 am

Ring0Neck wrote:My first thought: your birds are SF NT Deeps/ NT Violets.

Looks that way to me too.

Ring0Neck · Post by **Ring0Neck** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:01 am

If you suspect emerald always check under wing; you can find in this thread enough reference photos to compare.

http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=18322

I am yet to see a proven emerald without the cream underwing.

sheyd · Post by **sheyd** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:32 pm

festive ringy- I have no idea how she did this- kinda looks like candy cane!