Hello,
I have been studying the genetics of IRN and will readily admit its VERY confusing, LOL
A breeder I know has a Lutino cock paired with a Parblue lime (DF rainbow) hen
Their first mating produced 2 lutino hens and a normal green male
Their second mating produced 2 lutino hens, a lutino cock and a lighter green (lime) cock
My first question is how to put this into the genetic calculator ? The lutino cock is easy but I am having a heck of a time getting the hen right. I was told the lime is a form of ino but not sure if its plain ino or pallid (this confuses me a lot yet)
Can the lutino hen offspring be split to something ? Thinking she would be split to parblue ...
am I right in thinking the lutino cock and the lime green cock are split to parblue ?
The other pair I have been studying is a Cinnamon blue hen paired with a normal green split to ino cock
Their first mating produced a female creamino and a green male.
Their second mating produced a creamino, a lutino and 2 cinnamon blue babies (sex not known).
Am I right in thinking the creamino and lutino are hens and the cinnamon blues are cocks ?
Sorry for asking so many questions all at once but what better way to learn right?
Thank you in advance for the help
Genetics questions
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Re: Genetics questions
Hi to reply to the first pairing, lime is the old name for lacewing which is now called pallid, to enter a DF turquoise pallid, you must select turquoise and pallid under visual for the hen
1.0 ino
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
% from all 1.0
100.0% 1.0 pallidIno /turquoise(parblue)
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
This will be the results for the first pairing
But with the breeding results from the first pair, there is more to the genetics of the parents, I would advice to post pics of both parents so that they can be correctly identified, I do have an idea of what they could be, but would like to see some pics to confirm what I think they are
For your second pairing here is the results
1.0 green /ino
x 0.1 blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 green /blue ino cinnamon
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 green /blue
50.0% 0.1 ino /blue
But looking at the results from breeding this pair, I would guess the parents genetics to be as follows for the second pair
1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) cinnamon-ino
x 0.1 blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
24.25% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon
24.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.75% 1.0 green /blue ino cinnamon
0.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /ino cinnamon
24.25% 1.0 green cinnamon /blue ino
24.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon /ino
0.75% 1.0 green cinnamon /blue
0.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
% from all 0.1
24.25% 0.1 ino cinnamon /blue
24.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino cinnamon
0.75% 0.1 green cinnamon /blue
0.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
24.25% 0.1 green /blue
24.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.75% 0.1 ino /blue
0.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino
Creamino and lutino will be hens, but the blue cinnamons could actually be turquoise blue cinnamons not showing and green as yet and could be either male or female
Thanks
Lushen
1.0 ino
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
% from all 1.0
100.0% 1.0 pallidIno /turquoise(parblue)
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
This will be the results for the first pairing
But with the breeding results from the first pair, there is more to the genetics of the parents, I would advice to post pics of both parents so that they can be correctly identified, I do have an idea of what they could be, but would like to see some pics to confirm what I think they are
For your second pairing here is the results
1.0 green /ino
x 0.1 blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 green /blue ino cinnamon
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 green /blue
50.0% 0.1 ino /blue
But looking at the results from breeding this pair, I would guess the parents genetics to be as follows for the second pair
1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) cinnamon-ino
x 0.1 blue cinnamon
% from all 1.0
24.25% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon
24.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.75% 1.0 green /blue ino cinnamon
0.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /ino cinnamon
24.25% 1.0 green cinnamon /blue ino
24.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon /ino
0.75% 1.0 green cinnamon /blue
0.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
% from all 0.1
24.25% 0.1 ino cinnamon /blue
24.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino cinnamon
0.75% 0.1 green cinnamon /blue
0.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
24.25% 0.1 green /blue
24.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.75% 0.1 ino /blue
0.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino
Creamino and lutino will be hens, but the blue cinnamons could actually be turquoise blue cinnamons not showing and green as yet and could be either male or female
Thanks
Lushen
Last edited by Lushen1600 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Re: Genetics questions
Thank you Lushen1600
From what you posted I am guessing the breeder is missing a split somewhere (my opinion) in the first pair, otherwise she wouldnt get the light green and darker green babies ... am I correct ?
As for the second pair, would the male then have to be split to cinnamon to produce the cinnamon blue offspring ?
I am (hopefully) adding a picture of the second pair as well as their offspring which I was told are cinnamon blue
From what you posted I am guessing the breeder is missing a split somewhere (my opinion) in the first pair, otherwise she wouldnt get the light green and darker green babies ... am I correct ?
As for the second pair, would the male then have to be split to cinnamon to produce the cinnamon blue offspring ?
I am (hopefully) adding a picture of the second pair as well as their offspring which I was told are cinnamon blue
Re: Genetics questions
Sorry it wont let me add the pictures ... says the board attachment quota has been reached
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Re: Genetics questions
Hi, yes for the first pair, more info is need and yes for the second pair, the father has to be split to cinnamon to produce cinnamon babies as cinnamon is a sex-linked mutation
I don't think you will be able to place pics at this time as you are still a new member, email them to me at lushenchetty1978 at gmail dot com, and I will place them here for you
Thanks
Lushen
I don't think you will be able to place pics at this time as you are still a new member, email them to me at lushenchetty1978 at gmail dot com, and I will place them here for you
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
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Re: Genetics questions
Hi all here are the pics of the parents and youngsters of the second pair sent to me by SMbabe
First is a pic of both youngsters
Next is a pic of one of the youngsters called "Buster"
This is a pic of the other youngster called "Rio"
And lastly is a pic of the parents of the above young birds
From the pics, I would say that both the mother and the babies look like normal blue, and not blue cinnamon
Thanks
Lushen
First is a pic of both youngsters
Next is a pic of one of the youngsters called "Buster"
This is a pic of the other youngster called "Rio"
And lastly is a pic of the parents of the above young birds
From the pics, I would say that both the mother and the babies look like normal blue, and not blue cinnamon
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Re: Genetics questions
Not sure if i need glasses
but the male looks Turquoise or Indigo and not green
Can someone confirm if i see right ?
if so one young is blue the other turquoiseblue or indigoblue.
Does it have any red in the ring? i can't see any red which would point to Indigoblue
but the male looks Turquoise or Indigo and not green
Can someone confirm if i see right ?
if so one young is blue the other turquoiseblue or indigoblue.
Does it have any red in the ring? i can't see any red which would point to Indigoblue
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Re: Genetics questions
Hi Ben, never notice that, now that you mentioned it and have had another look at the pic, the cock looks like a parblue
Thanks
Lushen
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue