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My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Sun May 26, 2013 9:46 pm

Hi all, as promised to Deb I would do a brief journal of my breeding for my 2013 season. Its still early but since I'm still busy setting up, I'm going to use as much time as available, where I can to note down what's happens this year.

Before I start, for the newbies here are the links to the breeding journals for my previous breeding season.

2011 Breeding Season (2 years ago)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13530

2012 Breeding Season (last year)
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=15281

Will do a run down of my pairings with new pics one pair at a time as I get a chance as its still some time till they start to lay

Thanks
Lushen
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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:31 am

Hi all, would like to give you all some idea to my pairings for this season, although they could change if I find pairs being incompatible. Will take out photos of each pairing and place them on at a later stage

So here goes, where you see UGH, it would mean that I don't have genetic history of these birds and don't know the parents, so will know with time and test mating

Pair 1
Blue male - (parents Green/blue ino male x Green/blue hen)
x Blue pallid hen - (UGH - parents unknown)
Last season these were paired to each other and produce 4 blue chicks from 1 round of 5 eggs(1 infertile egg). All 4 blue chicks were handreared and sold

Pair 2
Grey(sf)blue/ino male - (parents Grey(df)blue male x blue ino(albino) hen)
X Blue turquoise pallid hen - (parents Blue turquoise pallid male x Blue turquoise pallid hen)
The male was paired to a grey(sf)blue palllid hen last season and they hatched 3 chicks out of 4 eggs(1 egg was laid outside nestbox and cracked), but this hen didn't feed her chicks, in turn all 3 chicks died, so didn't get any genetic info from that pairing
The female was paired to a lutino cock and laid 4 eggs, of which one dissapeared and 3 were infertile, so once again no genetic info.

Pair 3
Dominant edge blue cinnamon/ino male - (UGH - parents unknown)
Cobalt hen - (parents - cobalt x blue haven't seen the parents so not sure whether the father or mother was cobalt, hen was from a fostered egg)
The male was paired to a lutino/blue hen last season and produced 3 chicks out of 4 eggs(1 egg was laid outside nestbox and cracked), 1 chick dissappeared and the remaining 2 parent reared chicks was an albino male and a lutino/blue hen, both chicks were sold.
The female was bought this year so will be her first breeding for me

Pair 4
?Green/turq or DF Turquoise male - (parents DF Turquoise male x Blue turquoise female)
X Grey(sf)blue pallid hen - (was original told by breeder that this hen came from a Blue pallid male x Grey(sf)blue pallid hen, but when I recently spoken to him, he said it could be possible that this hen could have come from his other pairing of Grey(sf)blue pallid male x Grey(sf)blue pallid hen, as he had all the chicks in a flight cage and they don't have leg rings)
The male was bought for this season to test breed, and as both these birds have come from the same breeder and I haven't seen his mother to confirm that she is infact a blue turq but only seen the father, I'm going with green/turq male with this one as that is what the male looks like unless he proves otherwise
The female was paired to the Grey/ino cock from pair 2 and will have to watch her closely this season to make sure she feeds her youngsters otherwise I may have to foster or handrear

Pair 5
Grey(sf)green male - (UGH - parents unknown, handreared male)
X Blue hen - (UGH - parents unknown, handreared hen)
The male was paired to a green hen last season and produced 3 infertile eggs, so giving him another chance this season to see if he fertilizes eggs
The female was paired to a green male last season and hatched 3 green babies from 5 eggs(1 dead in shell and 1 infertile), all 3 green babies were sold. If he doesn't fertilize eggs again this season, I will use the hen as a foster hen, by replacing any infertile eggs with fertile eggs from other pairs

Pair 6
Green male - (UGH - parents unknown - ring number 2010 DDA 10)
X Green hen - (UGH - parents unknown - ring number 2010 DDA 31)
The male was paired to the blue hen in Pair 5
The female was paired to the greygreen male in Pair 5
Both these birds was bought with rings on from a fellow breeder, managed to track down the original breeder of these youngsters, but he doesn't have records from which pairs these birds have come from, but did confirm that they cannot be from his green foster pairs as he throws those eggs away, so I paired these 2 together to see if they are carrying any recessive traits, as I saw that he had recessive pieds and cleartails in his collection, so hoping if they are carrying any recessive splits that they both have the same recessive splits so that they can produce a visual, if all green chicks, then I will keep this pair as a foster pair for future seasons

Pair 7
Darkgreen cock - (UGH - parents unknown, swopped my lutino male from the previous season for this male and and 2 suspended cages)
X Blue turquoise hen - (UGH - parents unknown - ring number 2002 TARZ 23, tried to get info on this bird but no records available as she is now 11 years old)
Both these bird have been bought for this breeding season, so it is going to be my first time breeding them, the male is a young male as he only got his neck ring after the moulting period at the beginning of ths year

Pair 8
Blue male - (UGH - parents unknown)
X Lutino/blue hen - (parents - Green/blue ino male x Green/blue hen)
The male was bought this year so will be my first time breeding him
The female was paired to the Dominant edge blue cinnamon male from pair 3

Pair 9
Grey(sf)green male - (UGH - parents unknown)
Grey(sf)blue/?pied hen - (UGH - parents unknown)
The male was bought this year so will be the first time breeding him
The female was also bought this year so will be the first time breeding her, she is said to be split pied, but will only call her that when I get to pair her to a pied or split pied male and she produces visual pied young, I had her paired to a grey(sf)green/?pied male but she was attacking him as she bonded with the current male when she was in a colony flight cage, so I let her have her way and gave her this male that she wanted and sold the other male

I do have other pairs I'm breeding which don't belong to me but I'm not going to put those pairings on this forum, as those birds were lent to me for this season and don't belong to me, so for now its 9 of my pairs that I can keep you guys informed on.

I have only kept 1 youngster from 2012 which is the Pallidino male that I got from Carmen, will try and look for a mate for him for next season.

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by SCB 22 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:53 pm

Hi Lushen, would lok to keep in touch as the season goes, and maybe see what colour chicks you get from Pair 3, and possibly get one from you. I lost my dom egde female earlier this year, but have kept one of her sons which is dom edge, so would love to get a female that's dom egde as well for him...

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by SCB 22 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:54 pm

Sorry I should have said my young male is a green dom edge / cinnamon, so was looking for a bird with cinnamon as well to pair with him

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:30 am

Hi SCB, unfortunately I won't be selling any babies from Pair 3, but will try and see if I can get you a dominant edge cinnamon hen from another breeder, depending what he breeds this season

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:33 am

Hi all just a quick update, when I got home yesterday after work and was feeding, I found that my handreared greygreen cock from pair 5 had been bitten on his head by the hen, I immediately remove her, but fortunately his injuries are not bad, I'm sure he will be ok.

It upsets my pairings for this season, but will get another hen for him by the weekend

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:53 pm

Lushen1600 wrote: Pair 3
Dominant edge blue cinnamon/ino male - (UGH - parents unknown)
Cobalt hen - (parents - cobalt x blue haven't seen the parents so not sure whether the father or mother was cobalt, hen was from a fostered egg)
The male was paired to a lutino/blue hen last season and produced 3 chicks out of 4 eggs(1 egg was laid outside nestbox and cracked), 1 chick dissappeared and the remaining 2 parent reared chicks was an albino male and a lutino/blue hen, both chicks were sold.
The female was bought this year so will be her first breeding for me
I know you said that you sold both chicks, but would it be possible to get a picture/s of the Lutino hen???

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:57 pm

SCB 22 wrote:Sorry I should have said my young male is a green dom edge / cinnamon, so was looking for a bird with cinnamon as well to pair with him
Could you post pics of him please?
(post them in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=17319)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by SCB 22 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:41 am

Hi Shey,

He really looks like a normal green bird, just lighter. You cannot see the colouring in his flights as they are clipped.
My indigo blue cinnamon male from Carmen decided it was fun to pull all his tail feathers out, so I have had to seperate them, once his tail grows back in i will try get some pics of him.

Thanks (also I would have to ask Carmen to post pics coz ive never taken the time to figure out how to post pics on here)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:10 pm

No worries- do you know what colour his claws and lower mandible (beak) are?

To upload pics in future, create a photobucket acc, and copy and paste the IMG link from the pic/s you wish to post :)

Sorry Lushen, back to you- love your detailed diaries (of which I have been following since last year) :)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by SCB 22 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:22 am

His beak is still changing colour, he is under a year old. Feet are the imbetween colour, not the dark of the normal green bird, and not the light of a cinnamon. His flights were beautiful before clipped though. Have a pic of his flights comparison to his sisters when he was very young, if you inbox me a email i will send to you - i have done the photobucket account thing before, and just dont wish to have to create accounts and link them. I did have a link to my facebook album of all the babies, and mother and father if you would like to go look, but there is only pics of before they all went to their homes :-) when it comes to putting pics on here i prefer to just ask Carmen :-)

Thanks!

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by SCB 22 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:12 am

Hi Sheyd, pics sent, let me know if they received, for some reason when i try send a message it just sits in my outbox, and does not move to sent items so i have no way of telling if it has gone through

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:17 pm

Hi Sheyd unfortunately I won't be able to get pics of the lutino hen as I never take contact details for the buyer and he is from out of town, will check if I still have pics of her after she was weaned and if I find 1 I will post it here

I decided to give the greygreen male from pair 5 a rest for this season and have now paired the blue hen to a blue male, hopefully they are compatible, will keep you updated, have most of my hens digging in their nestboxes, so let's see which one is the first to settledown and lay her first egg for this season

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:07 pm

Lushen1600 wrote:Hi Sheyd unfortunately I won't be able to get pics of the lutino hen as I never take contact details for the buyer and he is from out of town, will check if I still have pics of her after she was weaned and if I find 1 I will post it here
Lushen
That would be great if you could Lushen-have wondered what an SL Edged Lutino would look like :)

cheers.

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Hi Sheyd, I don't think one can visually see the difference between a SL Edge Ino and a plain Ino as I think Ino would mask the Edge mutation, and the young ino birds would have to be test mated to find out if they are carrying the Edge mutation, but I could be wrong

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Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:57 pm

she surely does (from what I have learnt on this site :mrgreen: ) IF indeed the parent cock was a SL Dom Edge. The question still remains of what she might look like- (have a feeling it may be completely or all but masked..?) but am hopeful as it (Edged) displays better in hens than it does in sf SL Dom Edged cocks (of which from that mating you would have received none).

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:00 am

Hi Sheyd, that's something that I need clarity on, as I thought that pairing a SL edge male to a normal female will give 50% male babies with edge mutation and 50% female babies with edge mutation with the other 50% of each gender not carrying the edge mutation

And when pairing a normal cock to an sl edge hen then you would get 50% males babies with edge mutation and 50% normal male babies and all normal hens, so no hens with edge mutation.

Can someone give clarity on this

Thanks
Lushen,
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Ring0Neck » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:53 am

pairing a SL edge male to a normal female will give 50% male babies with edge mutation and 50% female babies with edge mutation with the other 50% of each gender not carrying the edge mutation
Yes correct.
And when pairing a normal cock to an sl edge hen then you would get 50% males babies with edge mutation and 50% normal male babies and all normal hens, so no hens with edge mutation

You will get 100% of boys sl edged. no edged hens correct.

SL Edged Lutino would look like

I saw some pics of sl edged and a lutino amongst them that i thought was sl edged ino.
flights were white and central feathers white the rest of tail was yellow and it was a rather sharp yellow/ lemonish not as deep color lutino.
I think if you know the parents carry edged gene, you'd be able to identify a lutino to a lutino edged, an albino i guess it'd be pure white!?

Lol I always have more to say after i post my posts :lol:

PSSSSS :The Gen calc outcome is not accurate to dom edged mutation. to get the assumed correct calc. use Madas's gen. calc.
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:00 am

Hi Ben, thanks for the clarification

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:17 pm

Ah, thanks for clarifying Ben- I had wrongly thought that since Edged hens produce 100% Edged cocks that the opposite would also be true for sf Edged cocks- it is even better that they can produce both sexes in Edged- Good stuff :)

Would still love to see a pic anyway if you could find one Lushen :)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:35 pm

Hi sheyd will definitely look to see if I have any pics on my day off this friday and place them here

As promised here are pics of my breeding pairs

Pair 1 - Blue cock x Blue Pallid hen
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Pair 2 - Grey/ino cock x Blue turquoise pallid hen
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Pair 3 - Dominant Edge Blue Cinnamon/ino cock x DarkBlue(Cobalt) hen
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Pair 4 - Green/Turq or ?DF Turquoise cock x Grey Pallid hen
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As you can see from the pic that the male looks like a normal wildtype green male, so I have my suspicions that something doesn't add up, but I will know his genetic makeup if he breeds for me this season

Pair 5 - Blue cock x Blue hen
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Pair 6 - Green cock x Green hen
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Pair 7 - Darkgreen cock x Blue turquoise hen
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Pair 8 - Blue cock x Lutino/blue hen
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Pair 9 - Greygreen cock x Grey/?pied hen
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All hens are busy digging nestboxes, but no eggs yet, will update as soon as I have my first egg for this season

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:45 am

Hi, picked up my copy of Bastiaans Second Book, "Asiatic Parrots and their mutations" today. It was a gift from my wife for me qualifying as a professional nurse. Thanks to my wife for the best gift, love you lots, mwah and thanks to Leoni De La Port, who posted the book on friday and I picked up today, which was quick, only 3 working days. Got a lot of reading to keep me busy for a while until I can get Dion Smiths new book and well as Terry Martins new book.

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Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Sherjil » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:58 am

Hi can anyone pls tell me highlights of Terry's New book and whr it can b ordered ? Thanks

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Post by madas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:51 am

Can't see a new book of Terry. Or is it published under the same name???

madas

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:49 am

Hi Madas, here is the link to Terry Martins Book for the website given by Trabots

http://www.birdkeeper.com.au/bird-books ... hard-cover

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by madas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:42 am

Lushen1600 wrote:Hi Madas, here is the link to Terry Martins Book for the website given by Trabots

http://www.birdkeeper.com.au/bird-books ... hard-cover

Thanks
Lushen
Thx. But i already own this book. So is there a newer one or why did you talk about "Terrys new book"?

madas

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:48 am

Hi Madas, my error, should have read Terry Martins book, and not Terry Martins new book.

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:24 am

Hi all just a quick update on my birds

Firstly I have purchased a 2011 green hen for my handreared greygreen male to make up my 10th pair for this season
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Also purchased a 2012 lutino/blue female for the 2012 pallidino male that I got from carmen to make my 11th pair
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And for some good news, Pair 9 has started laying, on checking nestboxes today I found 2 eggs in their nestbox
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So will have to wait to see how many she lays and hope that her eggs are fertile, will do a check again next week and update you guys again

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Azballa7 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:46 pm

Awesome!!! Please do keep us updated!! Wish you lived out here in NY LOL

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:01 am

Hi all, as promised here is my update for this week

First of some sad news, on friday, I was feeding and found that my mature lutino/ blue hen from pair 8 wasn't coming out of her nestbox, so I decided to inspect and found her lying dead with 1 egg beside her, on inspection of her I noticed her vent was stained with a reddish brown colour, and palpated her pelvic area to find an egg stuck in her, she was obviously eggbound and died thereof. I had a similar problem with her last year whereby it took her 5 days from laying her 3rd egg to pass out her 4th egg which was much bigger than her other eggs and whilst carrying the 4th egg she was looking ill. I'm still sad with the loss of a good hen but have to learn from this and increase the calcuim in my birds diet closer to breeding season. I have fostered the 1 egg from the lutino hen under another pair

I was looking for a hen to replace her and on saturday Carmen offered to sell me her albino hen Snowy and have now paired my blue male from pair 8 to Carmens albino hen, I hope she settles down and takes a liking to him
Here is a pic of them
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On to some good news my blue turquoise pallid hen from Pair 2 has started laying and is now on 2 eggs
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Also my blue hen from Pair 5 is down on eggs, she has 3 of her own eggs and is fostering 1 egg from the lutino hen that died
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And my grey hen from Pair 9 that was the first to lay is still on 2 eggs, so I guess that's all she is laying
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That's all for now, next update will be next week when I check nestboxes again

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:49 am

Hi Molossus, thanks for informing me, reminds me to have them candled, I haven't been counting the days since they were first laid, will candle them next time I check and let you know if they are fertile

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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Gratz » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:16 pm

Hi Lushen

Firstly sorry to hear about your loss, I also had a hen that had trouble every breeding season when it was time to lay eggs, I increased the amount of calcium and even introduced pellets into the diet but on her 4th breeding season she died , then I started thinking , why was it that she was the only hen out of 6 pairs that had the problem when all the birds were being fed exactly the same food. ?
The second thing I want to point out is the last pic you posted of the pair of birds , if that is your new bird ( snowy ) she seems to be a blue pallid not an albino
One other thing, Don't discard the eggs as not being fertile , I believe you should wait at least 10 days Into incubation before you candle them to check if they are fertile

Regards Gratz

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:59 pm

Sorry to hear of your loss Lushen :( I agree with Gratz though- through everything I've read, some hens don't make good breeders.

Hoping your season goes well from here on in.

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:13 pm

So sorry for your loss Lushen. But your other hens seem to be doing great!! I also agree that snowy seems to be a pallid unless its the lighting somehow. Can't wait to hear of your candling results. :)
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by madas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:08 pm

Lushen1600 wrote:Hi all, as promised here is my update for this week

First of some sad news, on friday, I was feeding and found that my mature lutino/ blue hen from pair 8 wasn't coming out of her nestbox, so I decided to inspect and found her lying dead with 1 egg beside her, on inspection of her I noticed her vent was stained with a reddish brown colour, and palpated her pelvic area to find an egg stuck in her, she was obviously eggbound and died thereof. I had a similar problem with her last year whereby it took her 5 days from laying her 3rd egg to pass out her 4th egg which was much bigger than her other eggs and whilst carrying the 4th egg she was looking ill. I'm still sad with the loss of a good hen but have to learn from this and increase the calcuim in my birds diet closer to breeding season. I have fostered the 1 egg from the lutino hen under another pair

I was looking for a hen to replace her and on saturday Carmen offered to sell me her albino hen Snowy and have now paired my blue male from pair 8 to Carmens albino hen, I hope she settles down and takes a liking to him
Here is a pic of them
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On to some good news my blue turquoise pallid hen from Pair 2 has started laying and is now on 2 eggs
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Also my blue hen from Pair 5 is down on eggs, she has 3 of her own eggs and is fostering 1 egg from the lutino hen that died
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And my grey hen from Pair 9 that was the first to lay is still on 2 eggs, so I guess that's all she is laying
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That's all for now, next update will be next week when I check nestboxes again

Thanks
Lushen
Sad News but are you sure it is an Albino? On this pic she looks like a very light pallid. But could be the pic.

madas

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by McmillanBirds » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:55 am

Hi all

Just a note, I have even noticed the pallidino cock bird he got from me almost looks like a turq pallid in the image he posted. I have a feeling it has to do with lighting.

Here are a few pics of the albino hen from when I first got her up until now.

In 2009

With her df grey cock bird. With the lighting here it looks like there was separation in body colour but i assure you there was none
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Hope that clears the confusion.

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:45 pm

Hi all, thank you for the replies, but I must point out that the camera on my mobile phone is only 5mp and doesn't take out good pics

As Carmen has shared her photos of the albino hen, you can see how much difference there is in quality of pics, will take out better pics of the hen with my digital camera on thursday as I'm day off and will post them here

Hi Gratz, I will let you know as soon as I candle if the eggs are fertile, but even if there are any that are not fertile, I leave them and don't remove them unless tha entire clutch is infertile, then I let the hen sit the incubation period and once she stops incubating on her own, I remove the eggs.

Hi Sheyd, sorry I never replly sooner, but was unable to find any pics of the lutino chick I bred last season

Will only check my nestboxes next week and do an update.

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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Gratz » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Hi Lushen
Good work, just to share something with you , I made a big mistake one year , I had a 1yo hen lay 5 eggs , 1 chick died in the shell 1 hatched and the rest were infertile,when I put the ring on the chick I removed the other 4 eggs as suggested by a fellow breeder, to my disbelief the parents abandoned their baby . So that was a big lesson for me , now I leave all the eggs in the nest box until the babies have left the nest.
Hope sharing this stops someone making the mistake I made

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by sheyd » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:26 pm

Lushen1600 wrote: Hi Sheyd, sorry I never replly sooner, but was unable to find any pics of the lutino chick I bred last season
That's okay- thanks for looking back through anyway :)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by willowisp71 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:46 am

Hi Lushen,

Firstly - thanks so much for giving us another year's insight into your breeding pairs this year - looking forward to following this thread. And apologies for only discovering it just now - I have started full time work, and have had little time to get involved with the forum, as what time I have left after the working day, I devote to my 2 beautiful FIDs - oh, and of course my husband :lol: :lol: :lol:

Devastating news regarding your hen - how awful for you. Hopefully, the rest of your season goes smoothly. One of my biggest fears with my pair is having my sf violetblue hen become egg-bound. My two get a good balance of fresh veg & fruit, and pellets (currently breeding pellets) every day, occasionally supplemented with a seed mix or millet spray for a treat. But I wonder if maybe I should try adding some more calcium to their diet. I do also mix in shell grit with their pellets, which I think she nibbles at from time to time.

They have been courting like mad for the last 2 months or so, our cock has been regurgitating for her, she has been assuming the position, they've both been making all the right moves - except our boy just doesn't seem to know how to seal the deal :!: :?: :!: Our poor hen, Pepper, gets so frustrated with him, tries to nip his feet to encourage him to get up, but he just seems to want to nuzzle her neck, and snuggle up beside her. I'm staring to wonder if
a) He's too old (we have no knowledge of his age, history, parentage etc), or
b) he's been a domestic pet for so long he's lost the 'instinct', or perhaps even
c) he's aware that Pepper is only young and perhaps not ready yet??

There is of course the fact that they ARE living inside with us, and not in an aviary, so perhaps that has much to do with the lack of natural instinct. We have also been unable to get them to share a cage at night together. They are a weird pair - during the day and early evening they show all the signs of being a 'bonded pair', yet all attempts to get them to share a cage have so far failed. She will hound and harass him mercilessly if he dares to go in her cage, and he seems quite terrified if he's in his cage and she tries to come in - but on the other hand, if he puts himself to bed in his cage, she will cling to the OUTSIDE of his cage right next to where he is perched up, and they both seem quite happy with that arrangement! Strange little buggers :D

Anyway, enough of hijacking your thread, and my apologies! :oops:

Thanks for posting pics of your pairs also. It's great to have a visual of them, and I hope they all do well for you this season. Good luck, and looking forward to your next update :)
Regards Deb

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:13 am

Hi all here is my update for this week, unfortunately was not able to candle any eggs, as I took out my penlight torch from the box and found that the batteries were dead, so will buy some batteries during this week and candle on my next check

Pair 2 - Blue Turquiose Pallid hen is now sitting on 4 eggs
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Pair 4 - Grey Pallid hen has started laying and is on 1 egg
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Pair 5 - Blue hen is still incubating 4 eggs, 3 of her own eggs and 1 fostered egg
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Pair 6 - Green hen has started to lay and is on 1 egg
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Pair 7 - Blue Turquoise hen has started to lay and is on 1 egg
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Pair 9 - Grey hen is still incubating her 2 eggs
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That's all for this week, will check again next week and do another update

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:57 am

Hi Molossus, I also noticed that the egg on the extreme right looks empty, and the other 3 looks good, will confirm once I get batteries for my torch, what do you think about the 4 eggs for Pair 2

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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:55 am

Thanks Molossus, can't wait to get my first chicks

Thanks
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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:10 am

Hi all, I managed to get batteries for my torch yesterday and candled eggs for the following pairs

Pair 2 with 4 eggs, all 4 eggs look to be fertile, will confirm again next week, as in some eggs veins seem very faint

Pair 5 with 4 eggs, 3 are fertile and 1 is infertile, so not sure if the infertile egg is the fostered egg or her own egg, will have to wait and see

Pair 9 with 2 eggs, as Molossus said both eggs are fertile and due to hatch sometime next week, so I'm waiting to hear the noise of babies soon

I havent candled any of the other pairs eggs as yet, as its still too early to tell, will inform you guys once they are old enough to candle

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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by madas » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:03 am

Lushen1600 wrote: I managed to get batteries for my torch
Didn't know that batteries are such a shortage in S.A. :D

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Post by Johan S » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:36 am

madas wrote:
Lushen1600 wrote: I managed to get batteries for my torch
Didn't know that batteries are such a shortage in S.A. :D

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Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:43 am

Lol
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:08 am

Hi all here is an update for the week

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen has started laying and is on 3 eggs, candled them and all 3 are showing clear at the moment, will check them again next week
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Pair 2 - Blue Turquoise Pallid hen is still incubating her 4 eggs and after candling them a second time today, I can confirm that all 4 eggs are fertile
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Pair 4 - Grey Pallid hen is now sitting on 4 eggs, candled them and 2 is showing fertile and the other 2 are showing clear, will check them again in a week
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Pair 5 - Blue hen is still incubating 4 eggs, 3 fertile and 1 clear, I suspect that the fostered egg is the infertile one, but will wait and see when the babies hatch and colour up
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Pair 6 - Green hen is now sitting on 3 eggs and to my surprise after candling them all 3 are fertile, that surprising considering that she laid her first egg 7 days ago
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Pair 7 - Blue turquoise hen is now sitting on 3 eggs and after candling, all 3 are showing clear, will check them again in a week
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Pair 9 - This is the most exciting news as both eggs have hatched and hen is feeding both chicks, can't wait to see the colours, I first found this hen on 2 eggs on the 5th of August, and now 21 days later they both have hatched, not exactly sure when they were laid and when they hatched as I'm only doing weekly checks
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Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by thirdy » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Hi there. . .
You should be careful two years ago my chicks also just disappeared and I didn't knew why. I was very angry because I waited a whole year for my birds to breed and know the chicks are just gone. So I decided to hand raise the chicks because they are just disappearing. And about 4 week since I removed the chicks from the nest box I saw that it was a snake that eaten all my chicks. So I just want you to know that. Please be careful.
Sorry for the long story.
Thanks. . .

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Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:14 pm

Hi Thirdy, I haven't lost any chicks from snakes eating them, but thanks for the info

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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Post by thirdy » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:37 pm

Okay thanks then...

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Post by sheyd » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:46 pm

congrats on the chicks Lushen :D

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Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:48 am

Thanks Sheyd, can't wait for more to hatch

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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:12 am

Hi all the update for this week was supposed to be done on Monday, took out the pics on monday but didn't have a chance to upload them to post them here due to work. Sorry for the late update but her goes

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen is now on 4 eggs, 2 fertile and 2 clear, notice that one of the clear eggs looks rough and pitted compared to the other eggs which look smooth, is this a sign of low calcium in their diet
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Pair 2 - Blue Turquoise Paliid hen is still incubating 4 fertile eggs, can't wait for them to hatch
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Pair 4 - Grey pallid hen is now on 5 eggs, 3 fertile and 2 clear. I want to remove the 2 clear eggs from Pair 1 and Pair 4 and place the 3 fertile eggs from Pair 4 under the blue pallid hen in Pair 1 so that she will be incubating 5 fertile eggs and it will allow the hen from Pair 4 to lay a second clutch, what do you guys think, would this be a good idea
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Pair 5 - Blue hen is now sitting with 2 chicks, 1 fertile egg and 1 clear egg, waiting for the chick from the last fertile egg to hatch
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Pair 6 - Green hen is still incubating 3 fertile eggs, can't wait for them to hatch
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Pair 7 - Blue Turquoise hen is sitting on 3 eggs, all 3 showing clear, once again 1 egg is rough and pitted and the other 2 have hairline cracks on the pointed end of the eggs, is this a sign of low calcium in their diet, will be removing these 3 eggs so that this hen will have a chance to hopefully lay a second clutch, or should I place 3 fertile eggs under her to hatch, not sure what to do, any advice?
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Pair 9 - Grey hen is feeding her 2 chicks well, surprised at how quickly they are growing, was thinking of putting these 2 chicks under the blue hen in Pair 5 to raise with her chicks, so that this grey hen will lay a second clutch, but they are almost double the size of th blue hens chicks, so I decided to rather keep them as is and pull the 2 chicks for handrearing, and hope that the grey hen lays a second clutch
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Still waiting for my other 4 pairs to go down

Pair 3 - lots of mating, courting and feeding happening, hen is still digging nestbox, so waiting eagerly for this pair to lay, it would make my season to get just 1 clutch of chicks from this pair

Pair 8 - Blue cock is not showing any interest in the albino hen but is rather having a competition with the Green Cock from Pair 4 next to him, probably to see who can do a better courtship dance, albino hen also hasn't showed any interest in the nestbox

Pair 10 - Greygreen cock and Green hen also haven't showed any interest in each other or their nestbox

Pair 11 - Pallidino cock has taken to the lutino/blue hen and is now feeding her and doing the courtship dance for her, haven't witness any mating, but have noticed that the shaving in their nestbox have been disturbed.

Will being doing the next update on Sunday for next week as I'm working Monday and won't have a chance to take out pics, until next time

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:19 pm

Hi all, sorry once again for another late update, that was due for Monday 9 September 2013. Will try to be punctual on future updates. Pics were taken on Tuesday 10 September 2013 but didn't have time to upload them but here goes the update for this week

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen is now sitting on 5 fertile eggs, 2 of her own and 3 from Grey Pallid hen in Pair 4, found that she has accepted the 3 foster eggs and is incubating well but she seems to have what I would call a stroke, as she cannot fly and if she tries to fly its in circles on the floor, and her head twitches, so I'm hoping she feeds the chicks once they hatch
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Pair 2 - Blue Turquoise Pallid hen now has 4 chicks, very happy as all 4 have hatched and she is feeding well for a 2 year old hen, also there is 1 red eyed baby in the lot, so waiting to see how they turn out
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Pair 4 - Blue hen now has 3 chicks and is feeding well, she becomes very aggressive and threatens to peck when I do nest inspections. I have left the infertile egg as a size reference for this lot of chicks to compare there growth with
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Pair 5 - Green hen is still incubating her 3 eggs, waiting for them to hatch
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Pair 9 - Grey hen is feeding her chicks well, but 1 chick seems to be growing much faster than the other, but both always have food in their crop whenever I inspect the nestbox, I placed a closed band ring on the bigger chick yesterday will have to wait a while for the smaller one to grow a bit before I can place a ring on its leg
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Other updates
Pair 4 - still noticing mating, courting and feeding several times a day, but no eggs yet

Pair 8 - Blue cock is trying to make advances to the albino hen, but she doesn't seem interested, then he gets aggressive towards her rejection and chases her wanting to peck her, after a while of chasing he stops and tries again, so don't know if they will get along, only time will tell

Pair 10 - no action with this pair as yet

Pair 11 - only notice male feeding and courting, but no mating noticed

That's all for this week, my next update will be Monday 16 September 2013 in the evening and it will be punctual as I go on leave from tomorrow, unless something comes up then I will update during the week

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:06 pm

Hi all here is an update for this week.

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen now has 4 chicks and 1 more fertile egg left to hatch, and to my surprise although she has a stroke, she is feeding them well
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Pair 2 - Blue Turquoise Pallid hen is feeding her 4 chicks well and they are growing nicely
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Pair 5 - Blue hen is feeding her chicks well and they are growing quickly
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Pair 6 - Green hen now has 3 chicks, as all 3 eggs have hatched, and she is feeding well
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Pair 9 - The 2 babies from this pair have been taken out for handrearing, will have to wait and see if the pair goes down again
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Other Updates

Pair 4 - still no eggs but frequent mating noticed

Pair 8 - Albino hen has finally give up and is now accepting food from the blue male, also noticed her assume the position for him and enter the nestbox once, so I'm hopeful

Pair 10 - Still no action with this pair

Pair 11 - Same as last update, only feeding and courting noticed, no mating noticed

That's all for this week.

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Post by Johan S » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:30 pm

Lushen, do you ring the offspring from your birds? There are a couple of those chicks ready to get their 'number plates'. :)

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:05 am

Hi Johan, yes I do ring all my chicks, but they are currently to small to have leg rings put on according to their size, if I do put them on now, they will just fall off, so I'm waiting a while for them to grow a little more, the 2 that I have taken off for handrearing, I have already rung the bigger chick, waiting for the smaller one to grow a little more before trying on a ring.

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Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:06 am

Why do you put rings on the babies?

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:04 am

Tabaneske wrote:Why do you put rings on the babies?
Hi Tabaneske

I ring babies for identification purposes

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Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Tabaneske » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:17 am

Ah okay, how old do you think they would be big enough to ring them?

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:27 am

Tabaneske wrote:Ah okay, how old do you think they would be big enough to ring them?
From my experience, any where between 10 and 14 days old, if its your first time I would suggest to start ringing at 10 daysand check daily, and if the ring falls off, which most times it does then put it back on. I personally prefer to ring later as the ring then tends to stay on. I use petroleum jelly as a lubricant

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Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:03 am

Hello all, sorry for the late update for this week, been busy. Pics were taken today

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen now has a total of 5 chicks, 2 of her own and 3 that she is fostering for Pair 5, feeding well.Image

Pair 2 - Some sad news, when I inspected the nestbox on sunday I found 1 blackeyed chick dead with food in its crop, I decided to leave the 3 remainding chicks with the mum and found another blackeyed chick dead on tuesday also with food in its crop, so I decided to remove the last blackeyed chick and the red eyed chick for handrearing as I feared they may die also, when I brought them inside on tuesday I found that they were weak and couldn't stand on their 2 feet and dropped to one side, and I couldn't understand why cos both chick had food in their crop, I gave them some handrearing food, and they have improved drastically, and are now active, but not as active as my other babies that are indoors, still can't understand what happened, here is a pic of the 2 remainding chicks, the red eyed baby is actually a plum eyed baby as the eyes are darker red than that of the lutino chicks that I bought for handrearing to resale
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Pair 5 - the 3 chicks are now indoors being handreared, waiting to see what colour they are once the pins break open, but I'm expecting all 3 to be blue babies
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Pair 6 - Green hen is feeding her 3 chicks well, waiting to see what colours they will be, although I expect all 3 to be green, I haven't decided if I'm going to handrear these babies or let the parents rear them
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Pair 9 - The 2 chicks are indoors for handrearing. I can confirm that the bigger chick is definitely a greygreen baby, but can only say that the smaller is a green series baby as I'm waiting for more pins to break open
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Still waiting for Pair 3, Pair 8, Pair 10 and Pair 11 to lay their first round of eggs

Hoping that Pair 2, Pair 4, Pair 5, Pair 7 and Pair 9 lay a second clutch, but time will tell

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:42 am

Lushen, I am very sorry for the loss of your little ones. I hope the others make it through. Is there possibly something in the box or flight that the parents may have gotten in to and were inadvertently passing along to the babies? A bug or food that may have dropped into their area?
I am owned by my birds...and I wouldn't have it any other way :D

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:18 am

Hello Skye, that could be a possiblity, but on that note, all my pairs get the same type of food on a daily basis, and this is the only pair that has been affected, so not sure what it could be, the parents of the babies in pair 2 are fine, and found them mating several times after taking out the babies, and the 2 babies that I pulled out are now doing fine, so not really sure what the problem was as I haven't given any medication to the babies or parents after the death of the first 2 chicks and the problem seems to be resolved

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Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:41 pm

Curious situation. Maybe the hen just liked to sit a little too tight. At least it is resolved :D
I am owned by my birds...and I wouldn't have it any other way :D

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by willowisp71 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:46 pm

Hi Lushen,

Sorry to hear of the loss of 2 of your chicks - but nice to see the others all doing well. Here's hoping your remaining pairs get busy and lay eggs soon :) I do hope your hen in Pair 1 is ok - it's good that she is still able to feed her chicks and foster-chicks - I wonder what has happened to her?

Thanks for your weekly updates - it's been good to see how your season is faring :)
Regards Deb

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:24 am

Hi all here is an update for this week

Pair 1 - Blue Pallid hen still feeding all 5 chicks well, put closed band rings on the 3 bigger chicks, will have to wait for the 2 smaller ones to grow before I can put rings on them
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Pair 2 - The 2 babies that I brought inside are doing well, put closed band rings on both chicks, I can confirm for now that the blackeyed baby is a blue chick as the pin feathers are just starting to open, still have to wait for the red eye baby to get pin feathers
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Pair 4 - Grey Pallid hen has started what looks like her second clutch of eggs and now has 1 egg, will have to wait and see if she lays any more eggs
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Pair 5 - The 3 babies that I brought indoors for handrearing are all doing well, and I can confirm that all 3 babies are blue babies as expected, all 3 babies had closed band rings put on a while back
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Pair 6 - Green hen is feeding all 3 babies well, infact so well that I couldn't put a closed band ring on the biggest chick as it grew so quick, but was able to put a ring on the second chick, the smallest chick is too small to put a ring on so will have to wait a while. The biggest chick that I wasn't able to get a leg ring on has got a few pin feathers that have opened but am waiting for more feathers to open before I can confirm colour
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Pair 8 - Albino hen has finally started laying and has 2 eggs in her nestbox, waiting to see how many she lays
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Pair 9 - The chicks that I brought inside are doing well, both chicks turned out to be greygreen in colour, the bigger chick got sold last night so there won't be any future pics of it
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Other updates
Pair 4 - still hasn't laid any eggs as yet so I'm dissappointed with that

Pair 7 - Blue Turquoise hen laid 2 eggs,but both looked deformed in shape and has a rough pitted outer shell with crack at the pointed end of the eggs, so I think this hen has a calcium problem, going to have to supplement her with additional calcium and see if it makes a difference

Pair 10 - no action

Pair 11 - no action

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by McmillanBirds » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:21 am

Hi Lushen

Snowy will most likely lay no less than 4 eggs per clutch. For the 4 years she bred with me she would normally have 4-6 eggs, hardly ever an infertile egg at that too so best of luck with her :) I am thrilled she has gone down for you :) I see she is up to her old tricks of demolishing her nest box though! :lol:

Babies are looking good :)

Take Care

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Re: My Pairings for 2013 Breeding Season

Post by willowisp71 » Fri May 02, 2014 10:08 pm

Hi Lushen,

Have been pretty flat out with work these past 7 months, and sorry, have only just caught up with your last post on this thread. How did the rest of your chicks turn out? and did your other pairs end up going down at all? Interested to hear the final results on Pair 1 and Pair 2 - and how did the Albino hen get on when she started laying?
Regards Deb

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