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Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:35 am

Hi has the Spangle mutation been bred in an indian ringneck and if so does anyone have pics of such a mutation and what to look for to identify a spangle in the indian ringneck

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by prodigy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:17 am

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by madas » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:33 am

Probably the dom. pied aka harlequin mutation is the spangle mutation but it needs further investigation.
Harlequin shares a lot of features with the budgie spangle mutation.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Carr.birds » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:10 pm

Stefan

We share the same opinion, but what test is available to proof the point.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Recio » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:51 pm

Hi Lee,

There are other reasons : inheritance pattern and increased psittacin fluorescence in both species.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by madas » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:21 pm

And one more. Most (nearly all) Harlequin show a small edged Pattern in the flightfeathers. Sometimes very good marked and visible like in the birds of John Shannon and sometimes hard to find resp. see resp. indentify.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by trabots » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:10 pm

The flight feathers in the image were clearly damaged during growth so is it a mutation?

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:06 am

Hi all, thanks for the replies and thank you Peter for the pic, how old is the ringneck in the pic?

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Ring0Neck » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:42 am

Molossus,
IRNs in that the hen retains her full spangle whilst the cock loses this ...


I have personally seen grey spangle (patern was similar to the Alex spangle in the pic)at a breeder i visited some 4 years ago and it was understood at the time that the cock will lose its spangle at 2-3 years of age (something to do with the hormonal change..), as far as the hens i thought they never get the spangle.
I shall try to get in touch with him again to get some concrete info.
Price was same as a new car back then, so no i did not buy any spangle, i got the car instead... did i make the right choice? :lol:

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Johan S » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:23 pm

Ring0Neck wrote:Price was same as a new car back then, so no i did not buy any spangle, i got the car instead... did i make the right choice? :lol:
How many babies did the car have to date? Enough said! :lol:

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:31 pm

Hi Molossus, thanks for the pics, the spangle markings on the alexandrine looks similar to spangle markings of a budgerigar, is it possible to achieve similar feather markings on a ringneck and has anyone have pic of ringneck with spangle markings similar to the alexandrine


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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:22 am

Hi, a south african breeder ask me to post pics of a bird he bred, here are 2 pics of the bird in question

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So can this bird be considered a spangle, if not what mutation will one call this

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Johan S » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:06 pm

molossus wrote:No Lushen.
This is most likely a turq pallid. the red eye is the give away here. The beautiful barring is the orderly placement of psittacins on the wing of the bird.
I agree 100%. This seems like the normal juvenile barring for certain parblues. The only thing I'd add to Molossus' conclusion is possibly the grey factor as well. It could be the pictures, but the bird shows a greyish wash and not the typical blue for a turquoise(blue) pallid.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:20 pm

Thanks for the reply guys, will let the breeder know

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:37 am

Hi received more pics from the breeder, here are pic of the parents of the above youngster. Male is supposed to be a grey misty and hen is green. The breeder would like to know why the grey male has red eyes

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Here is another chick of the youngster together with a nest sibling

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And my question to you guys, if these youngsters are infact turquoise pallid, why does the turq only affect the wings and has no affect on the head that a normal turq pallid has. I would have expected to see yellow on the head as well. Can someone explain?

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Johan S » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:45 am

I find the most interesting thing about the parents the feet. The cock shows dark feet, rather inconsistent with fallows, and the hen shows very pink feet. I have no idea why the cock shows a red eye.

It is not uncommon for some types of parblues to have blue (resp. white) heads. The heads of the offspring are white because we are probably dealing with the indigo morphotype. That, and the fact that these birds were very young when the picture was taken. The yellow would have increased with time.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by angeldc77 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:30 pm

It almost sounds like this possible spangle mutation acts a lot like the pearl mutation in cockatiels the hen retains the pattern while most males loose most of the pattern.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by angeldc77 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:31 am

I try to keep quiet most of the time and read all the discussions, you guys make great teachers. I must admit at times I do get a little lost, but never intimidated. You guys are at a whole other level that I can appreciate. But it was easy for me to make that comparison as I dove into the wonderful world of genetics with cockatiels first.

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by keeskk16 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:54 am

this is a nice new colour

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Mad Max » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:56 am

Any newer pictures

Peter (The blue you are holding with wing open)
Lushen (The youngsters as they have progressed)

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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:04 pm

The spangle pattern is very similar to what occurs naturally in malabars, moustache, Derbyans, and the Philippine blue nape.
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Re: Spangle Mutation in Indian Ringnecks

Post by prodigy » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:25 pm

The cock is split Pallid

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