Need Mutation Help

[littlemiraclesaviary]

I have a few questions I am hoping to get help with.

I have the opportunity to purchase several birds and I am having a hard time choosing.

One breeder says they have a green CHCT baby and a violet dark green baby from a pair that the parents are CHCT Male (I am assuming that means green) and a Violet Hen Is it even possible to get a visual CHCT with just the male being CHCT?

Also I am contemplating changing some birds around and I am wondering what I would get out of a Pallidino male with a Violet Pallid hen? Right now I have the pallidino male paired with a plain violet hen and I am not 100% sure what that will give me.

I have a turquoise violet male split to cinamon that I am not sure what to pair it with (I am contemplating Violet, Turquoise, Violet Pallid, Blue Pallid) Can anyone tell me what the best thing would be amd what it would produce? I kind of like the ide of having males split to pallid but want to weigh all my options and also would like female cinamon blues/violets

Lastly I have the opportunity to purchase a pair blue male and violet turquoise hen can anyone tell me what this will produce?

Sorry for all of the questions in one post I just thought it would be easier.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[sheyd]

One breeder says they have a green CHCT baby and a violet dark green baby from a pair that the parents are CHCT Male (I am assuming that means green) and a Violet Hen Is it even possible to get a visual CHCT with just the male being CHCT?

No, you won't get a visual Cleartail (CT) from that pair -all offspring will be split to Cleartail.

[sheyd]

Also I am contemplating changing some birds around and I am wondering what I would get out of a Pallidino male with a Violet Pallid hen? Right now I have the pallidino male paired with a plain violet hen and I am not 100% sure what that will give me.

If the PallidIno is a green series bird;
% of males
25.0% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 violet(sf) pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 pallid /blue
25.0% 1.0 violet(sf) pallid /blue
% of females
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 violet(sf) ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 pallid /blue
25.0% 0.1 violet(sf) pallid /blue

If the PallidIno is a blue series bird;
% of males
25.0% 1.0 blue pallidIno
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) pallidIno
25.0% 1.0 blue pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) pallid
% of females
25.0% 0.1 blue ino
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) ino
25.0% 0.1 blue pallid
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid

[sheyd]

Right now I have the pallidino male paired with a plain violet hen and I am not 100% sure what that will give me.

If the PallidIno is a green series bird;
% of males
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 green violet(sf) /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue pallid
25.0% 1.0 green violet(sf) /blue pallid
% of females
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 violet(sf) ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 pallid /blue
25.0% 0.1 violet(sf) pallid /blue

If the PallidIno is a blue series bird;
% of males
25.0% 1.0 blue /ino
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /ino
25.0% 1.0 blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid
% of females
25.0% 0.1 blue ino
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) ino
25.0% 0.1 blue pallid
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid

[sheyd]

I have a turquoise violet male split to cinamon that I am not sure what to pair it with (I am contemplating Violet, Turquoise, Violet Pallid, Blue Pallid) Can anyone tell me what the best thing would be amd what it would produce? I kind of like the ide of having males split to pallid but want to weigh all my options and also would like female cinamon blues/violets

I would pair it with a plain Violetblue Hen - if you do that you'll get:
In the males
6.25% 1.0 blue /cinnamon
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(df) /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df) /cinnamon
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
6.25% 1.0 blue
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(df)
12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
in the females
6.25% 0.1 blue
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(df)
12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
6.25% 0.1 blue cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(df) cinnamon
12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df) cinnamon
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon

[sheyd]

Lastly I have the opportunity to purchase a pair blue male and violet turquoise hen can anyone tell me what this will produce?

% of males
25.0% 1.0 blue
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% of females
25.0% 0.1 blue
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)

[littlemiraclesaviary]

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to do all of that research for me. I spent a whole bunch of time trying to figure out the genetic calculator and I am horrible at it I end up with crazy outcomes.

Thanks on the info for the blue male with Turquoise Violet Hen pair I am for sure going to take them!

I like the Pallidino with Pallid Violet outcome I have to make a decision on that. I am pretty sure that pallidino is a blue series as his parents are violet dark green /ino with a pallid blue hen

Just out of curiosity what would the pallid violet hen produce with the violet turquoise male / cinnamon male?

I am also getting his brother who is a plain violet split to cinnamon male and I was planning to pair him with a pallid blue hen what would that give me?

[sheyd]

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to do all of that research for me. I spent a whole bunch of time trying to figure out the genetic calculator and I am horrible at it I end up with crazy outcomes.

No worries at all (:

Just out of curiosity what would the pallid violet hen produce with the violet turquoise male / cinnamon male?

in the males
6.25% 1.0 blue /cinnamon pallid
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(df) /cinnamon pallid
12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df) /cinnamon pallid
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon pallid
6.25% 1.0 blue /pallid
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(df) /pallid
12.5% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df) /pallid
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
in the females
6.25% 0.1 blue
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(df)
12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
6.25% 0.1 blue cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(df) cinnamon
12.5% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(df) cinnamon
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon

I am also getting his brother who is a plain violet split to cinnamon male and I was planning to pair him with a pallid blue hen what would that give me?

Cocks
25.0% 1.0 blue /cinnamon pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue /pallid
25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid
Hens
25.0% 0.1 blue
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
25.0% 0.1 blue cinnamon
25.0% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon

I'd personally aim to breed away from the mutations that dull out the colours (especially in the blue series)----Violet (df factor violet), VioletBlue, TurquoiseBlue and Blue look so much better without Cinnamon or Pallid imo

[littlemiraclesaviary]

Thanks again for all your help this was super helpful

[littlemiraclesaviary]

for my pallidino split blue with a violet hen can that not produce creaminos? I was told in the past it could.

[littlemiraclesaviary]

I see so if I paired him with a violet turquoise hen what would be the outcome of that pairing?

[sheyd]

1.0 pallidIno /blue
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)

% from all 1.0
6.25% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
6.25% 1.0 green violet(sf) /turquoise(parblue) ino
6.25% 1.0 blue /ino
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /ino
6.25% 1.0 green /blue ino
6.25% 1.0 green violet(sf) /blue ino
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /ino
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /ino
6.25% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) pallid
6.25% 1.0 green violet(sf) /turquoise(parblue) pallid
6.25% 1.0 blue /pallid
6.25% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid
6.25% 1.0 green /blue pallid
6.25% 1.0 green violet(sf) /blue pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
6.25% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
6.25% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
6.25% 0.1 violet(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue)
6.25% 0.1 blue ino
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(sf) ino
6.25% 0.1 ino /blue
6.25% 0.1 violet(sf) ino /blue
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino <---------------------- Creamino
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) ino
6.25% 0.1 pallid /turquoise(parblue)
6.25% 0.1 violet(sf) pallid /turquoise(parblue)
6.25% 0.1 blue pallid
6.25% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid
6.25% 0.1 pallid /blue
6.25% 0.1 violet(sf) pallid /blue
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
6.25% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid