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eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:04 am

Hi all just a simple question but it has me baffled according to Zahir Rana's website this is description of what a pallidino supposed to look like

Pallid-ino (Combination of Pallid and Ino)

Inheritance: Combination of sex-linked recessive Pallid and sex-linked recessive Ino.

Description

Body: As Lutino, but with green or blue tinge on the whole body except on the head.
Tail: As Lutino with green or blue tinge.
Head: Yellow or White, brighter around the beak; neck ring light grey with rose or white in cocks.
Beak/Feet: Red upper and lower mandible; pink feet, light coloured nails.
Eyes: Red with yellowish iris.

Notice under eyes he mentions that they are supposed to be "Red with a yellowish iris"

And here is his description for a pallid

Pallid

Inheritance: Sex-linked recessive.

Description

Body: Looks somewhat like cinnamon however without the brownish tinge; visible wing markings.
Tail: As Cinnamon without the brownish tinge.
Head: Yellow or White, brighter around the beak; neck ring grey with rose or white in cocks.
Beak/Feet: Red upper and lower mandible; light feet, light nails.
Eyes: Darkred with yellowish iris.

Once again notice under eyes he mentions for a pallid they are supposed to be "Darkred with yellowish iris"

So I have taken a baby from Carmen which we are still trying to figure out if the dad is a "pallid" or "clearhead fallow". You can read about this on the thread below

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=15501

For now that we are not sure I'm gonna say the dad is a pallid, and was mated to a lutino, so put those into the genetic calculator and this is what the results come to

1.0 pallid
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
100.0% 1.0 pallidIno
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 pallid

So all males from this pairing is pallidIno and all females are pallid. On having my chick that I got from Carmen surgically sexed, it was found to be a male, so according to the calculator it is genetically a "PallidIno" and according to Zahir Ranas website it should have "Red eyes with a yellowish iris", but mine doesn't.

Although being born with red eyes the chick that I have now has "Very Dark Red eyes with a bluish iris, so what am I missing, would like to hear from you guys

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Ring0Neck » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:26 am

Lushen,

Just on the cockbird: It is evident that he is a Pallid.
If he was a Clearheaded Fallow you would have bred only greens & perhaps blues phenotypes.
So to me there's no question that the father is a Pallid for you to get those colors in the nest.

I have a pic of a Turq.blue Pallid & Turq.blue CHF in same cage.
Pallid top - CHF Bottom.
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/pallidnchf.jpg

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:47 am

Hi Ringoneck, thanks for the reply.

The question is not about what the dad is as I will take the dad as a pallid unless he proves otherwise. The question is why my chick which is a male and is a pallidIno has "Very dark red eyes with a bluish iris" instead of "Red eyes with a yellowish iris"?

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by sheyd » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:35 pm

Lushen- I like that site for the different colour mutations photos- but I ignore the description of the eyes as I've never seen a IRN with a yellowish iris- they've all been blueish (even my VioletBlue Pallid of which I have macro photos in the sun to prove)

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:57 am

Hi Chocobo, I would expect a pallidino to have eyes similar to that of an albino or lutino and not like that of a pallid. Would like to hear comments from others that have pallidino mutation in green and other colours

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2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by willowisp71 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:57 pm

Hi Lushen.,

My interpretation of that site's description on eye colour is, when they state the colour of the 'iris', I believe they are actually meaning the ring of skin around the birds eye? Every mutation is described as having a yellowish 'iris' - except for CHF and Rec.Pied, having instead a 'translucent iris'.....I've not seen either of these birds in the flesh, so can't comment on the colour of the flesh around their eyes, but every IRN I've seen for real, and in nice close, clear pics, the ring of skin is a yellow. What are your thoughts?

For the record, both my blue and violet IRNs have black pupils, BLUE iris's, and yellow flesh rings around their eyes :D
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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by sheyd » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:50 am

You might be onto something there Willow :) - here are my two:

Blue:
Image
(orange ring of skin around the eye)

Palid VioletBlue:
Image
(pale orange ring of skin around the eye)

both have blue irises- but according to that site, my Pallid is supposed to have dark red eyes with a yellowish iris.

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Yatish M » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:50 am

Hi Lushen

I had a cinnamon blue palidino and the eye appeared black but up on closer inspection I found that it was actually a dark red and I compared it to a palid hen that I had and found that it was much darker and I have also spoken to other breeders who have told me that that is how you idenitfy a young palidino.Hope that this helps

Yatish

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:02 am

Thanks Yatish and Ringoneck for the replies, can't wait for this guy to mature, what would be the most suitable breeding partner for a pallidino cock? I do have a few combinations in mind but would like to hear what others would pair to such a bird.

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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:17 am

Hi all I know that this is going off the topic but here are some of the combinations I had in terms of breeding with the pallidIno male

First to pair him to a green hen

1.0 pallidIno
x 0.1 green
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green /ino
50.0% 1.0 green /pallid
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 ino
50.0% 0.1 pallid

All males will have to be test mated to see if they are carrying pallid or ino split, but no surgical sexing would be needed

Second option is to a blue hen

1.0 pallidIno
x 0.1 blue
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
50.0% 1.0 green /blue pallid
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 ino /blue
50.0% 0.1 pallid /blue

Once again all male chick will have to be test mated to see whether they are carrying the ino split or the pallid split which is not ideal, but no surgical sexing would be needed

Third option is to a lutino hen

1.0 pallidIno
x 0.1 ino
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 pallidIno
50.0% 1.0 ino
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 ino
50.0% 0.1 pallid

With this option no test mating of the young would be needed which is ideal, but all chicks will have to be surgically sexed which I think is better than having to test mate to check what splits a bird is carrying

Fourth option is to an albino hen

  1.0 pallidIno
x 0.1 blue ino
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
50.0% 1.0 ino /blue
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 ino /blue
50.0% 0.1 pallid /blue

Here as well no test mating needed, but surgical sexing needed

So what other option would you guys consider

Thanks
Lushen
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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Johan S » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:38 am

Ring0Neck wrote:
Left Pallidino right Pallid

http://parakeet.me/irn/f/pallid_pallidino2.jpg
I saw an incredible bird during my holiday travels. It is almost exactly the same as the pallidino phenotype, but it is a hen! This is similar to the platinum mutation in other species. The breeder is still experimenting, but it seems to be allelic to pallid and thus a SL ino locus mutation. Seems like there is still some exiting things happening there! :D

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:34 pm

Lushen
I'd go for turquoise(any color) pallid hen.

Johan, got any interesting pics to share?

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:26 pm

Hi RingONeck, thanks for the reply. If I were to mate him to say a turquiose blue pallid, these would be the results

1.0 pallidIno
x 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 pallidIno /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 1.0 pallidIno /blue
25.0% 1.0 pallid /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 1.0 pallid /blue
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 pallid /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 pallid /blue

As you can see that all pallid chicks will have to be surgically sexed and all the chicks will have to be test mated to check if they are carrying a blue split or a turquoise split, so for me I would prefer a pairing where I would not need to test mate the chicks to find out the genetics they have inherited from the parents. So far, I have only found that I would need to test mate the chicks if I pair the father to either a lutino or albino hen.

Thanks for your reply, its just a matter of preference with me as I don't want to go thru the waiting and testing process with the chicks he produces.

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:33 pm

Hi Lushen,

Indeed a matter of preference and what is important to oneself, sexing the young birds is down the list for me when i decide which birds to pair up. but i am aware of the additional cost associated with it.

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Johan S » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:34 pm

Ring0Neck wrote:Lushen
I'd go for turquoise(any color) pallid hen.

Johan, got any interesting pics to share?
Nope, unfortunately not. But it looks almost exactly like a pallidino.

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Ring0Neck » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:21 am


I'm thinking to put down a pair to breed Indigoblue PallidInos & Violet Indigoblue PallidInos

Does anyone have such bird? if so, can you upload a pic for us?

3eIV

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by spiderweb7 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:58 am

Hey Guys our family friend bought my Grey lacewing and creamino female. They breed by her and the babies mutation i dont know, yet the white one has red eyes is it an albino or a grey pallidino and the other baby is light grey but the colour looks splotchy. what other colours will she get from this pair? and the youngsters what colours should she pair them with? im sad i sold all my ringnecks, just got a yellow pair left. im mainly breeding now african greys, certain cockatoos etc. parekeet i still breed alexandrines and derbyans. please help

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Eshana » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:53 am

Hi Lushen

I have the third baby from this batch (from Carmen) and I noticed "him" trying to mate with a grey bird (also from Carmen). They are much too young to mate, but I have seen him trying to mate with the grey on at least 4 different occasions. I have not had my birds genetically sexed, but assume from their behaviour, that this bird is male. So I guess all 3 birds are male (Carmen's as well)....

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Re: eye colour of a pallidino

Post by Lushen1600 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:06 am

Hi Eshana, it looks like all 3 babies turned out to be males, I had mines surgically sexed and Carmen also had hers sexed and it was a male, I haven't decided yet what hen to get for him for next season. Will think about that once this years breeding season is over

Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue

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