please help explain
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please help explain
Hi all
I trust all is well
May i ask for some advice i have paired a blue turq cock bird with my turq cobolt violet hen
i have had 4 chicks produced
1- violet sf
2- cobolt
3- blue lacewing
3- cin violet lacwing hen
I have established that the cock is split cin and lacewing ,however my query is what happen to the turq none of the chicks have turq in them?
the genetic calculator produced this result chicks with all turq
1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 DD turquoise(parblue) violet(df)
% from all 1.0
1.5%1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
48.5% D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
48.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
I trust all is well
May i ask for some advice i have paired a blue turq cock bird with my turq cobolt violet hen
i have had 4 chicks produced
1- violet sf
2- cobolt
3- blue lacewing
3- cin violet lacwing hen
I have established that the cock is split cin and lacewing ,however my query is what happen to the turq none of the chicks have turq in them?
the genetic calculator produced this result chicks with all turq
1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 DD turquoise(parblue) violet(df)
% from all 1.0
1.5%1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
48.5% D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
48.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
Re: please help explain
You have the cock right but you have input Mauve DF Violet TurquoiseBlue for the hen. I think you mean't Dark Violet TurquoiseBlue. Some TurquoiseBlues take awhile before you see it. In any event you would breed 25% non-TurquoiseBlues. I would rid yourself of that cock unless you want to keep breeding those bleached faded birds that Cinnamon and Pallid do to Blue series birds. Also all your non Pallid non Cinnamon cocks will be possible splits for Pallid and/or Cinnamon and would be worthless really in Australia anyways.1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 DD turquoise(parblue) violet(df)
Re: please help explain
Hi Farzz,Farzz1 wrote:Hi all
I trust all is well
May i ask for some advice i have paired a blue turq cock bird with my turq cobolt violet hen
i have had 4 chicks produced
1- violet sf
2- cobolt
3- blue lacewing
3- cin violet lacwing hen
I have established that the cock is split cin and lacewing ,however my query is what happen to the turq none of the chicks have turq in them?
the genetic calculator produced this result chicks with all turq
1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 DD turquoise(parblue) violet(df)
% from all 1.0
1.5%1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
48.5% D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
48.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.5% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
1.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
48.5% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
Before going further I need some more information:
1. Are both the cock and the female parents showing the same (or similar) turquoise pattern or one of them is "greener" than the other?
2. Do you know who are the parents of your cock? You are accepting a type 1 linkage between cinnamon and pallid ... but it seems that your offspring show both possibilities (quite rare event). The Blue Lacewing (Blue Pallid) chick should be a female ... and probably she also is cinnamon like her sister if the cock is split Cin and Pallid in type 1 linkage.
3. Are you sure that your female is DF violet? ... and DF Dark? ... and homozygous turquoise?
Probably she is SF Dark TurquoiseBlue SF Violet. Try to check for her parents.
Regards
Recio
PS: A pic of the parents and chicks should help a lot.
Re: please help explain
I agree a rare event
the Cock was borrowed to pair the hen as her mate died unfortunatly the cock was split for cin and pallid i do not know any more of the cock as the breeder has now relocated however the hen is is mine bought initaly as a turq cobolt however she producet a violet 2 seasons ago and a cobolt violet , but the bigger picture is that both birds are turq i should have all the offspring turq which still baffils me . The hen i have it paired with the son the descriptionnof the hen would be a turq cobolt violet hen and the son is a cobolt violet .strangly 2 seasons ago she was paired with a blue split opaline and herself i also did not produce a turq just a violet sf cock and a cobolt violet cock. just a mind boggler
the Cock was borrowed to pair the hen as her mate died unfortunatly the cock was split for cin and pallid i do not know any more of the cock as the breeder has now relocated however the hen is is mine bought initaly as a turq cobolt however she producet a violet 2 seasons ago and a cobolt violet , but the bigger picture is that both birds are turq i should have all the offspring turq which still baffils me . The hen i have it paired with the son the descriptionnof the hen would be a turq cobolt violet hen and the son is a cobolt violet .strangly 2 seasons ago she was paired with a blue split opaline and herself i also did not produce a turq just a violet sf cock and a cobolt violet cock. just a mind boggler
Re: please help explain
Hi All
all the best for the new year i wish all a fab and eventful year
i will try to upload a pic of the mother and son when the weather holds a bright and sunny day
take care
all the best for the new year i wish all a fab and eventful year
i will try to upload a pic of the mother and son when the weather holds a bright and sunny day
take care
Re: please help explain
TurquoiseBlue x TurquoiseBlue =the bigger picture is that both birds are turq i should have all the offspring turq which still baffils me
25% Blue
50% TurquoiseBlue
25% df Turquoise
no mystery
Re: please help explain
Not according to the genetics calculator- I get 100% Turquoise Blue offspring from both parents being Turquoise Blue, and 100% Turquoise Blue offspring from one parent being a Turquoise Blue and the other being Blue...Not having a go, but is the calculator wrong?trabots wrote:TurquoiseBlue x TurquoiseBlue =the bigger picture is that both birds are turq i should have all the offspring turq which still baffils me
25% Blue
50% TurquoiseBlue
25% df Turquoise
no mystery
http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PsitIR
Re: please help explain
The problem with Gencalc is the unintuitive way they deal with Parblues. For a heterozygous Turquoise or TurquoiseBlue you have to tick the "visual" box for Turquoise as well as the "splits to" box for Blue. The logical way would be to tick the "splits to" box for both Turquoise and Blue as there is only a single gene for each involved however it doesn't let you do this. I believe you are just ticking the "visual" box for Turquoise which is in fact a homozygous or df Turquoise.Not according to the genetics calculator- I get 100% Turquoise Blue offspring from both parents being Turquoise Blue, and 100% Turquoise Blue offspring from one parent being a Turquoise Blue and the other being Blue...Not having a go, but is the calculator wrong?
There is no space between the names when they are alleles. TurquoiseBlue NOT Turquoise Blue. For the homozygous Turquoise the official name is just Turquoise which of course is used by most for the heterozygous. That is why I use "df Turquoise" to make myself clear.
Re: please help explain
many thanks- this clears things up a lot (: I was also not aware that you could have sf and df 'Turquoise'.The problem with Gencalc is the unintuitive way they deal with Parblues. For a heterozygous Turquoise or TurquoiseBlue you have to tick the "visual" box for Turquoise as well as the "splits to" box for Blue. The logical way would be to tick the "splits to" box for both Turquoise and Blue as there is only a single gene for each involved however it doesn't let you do this. I believe you are just ticking the "visual" box for Turquoise which is in fact a homozygous or df Turquoise.
There is no space between the names when they are alleles. TurquoiseBlue NOT Turquoise Blue. For the homozygous Turquoise the official name is just Turquoise which of course is used by most for the heterozygous. That is why I use "df Turquoise" to make myself clear.
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Re: please help explain
Hi all, nothing is wrong with the calculator, as pointed out by Trabots the initial calculation was entered wrong as the hen was entered as a mauve violet turquoise insteade of a cobalt violet turquoise.
Second mistake that was made was that both birds were entered as
turquoise(parblue)
instead of
turquoise(parblue)Blue
And that's why your results are showing all turquiose chicks.
So for the correct calculation here are the results
First with using T1
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
1.75% 1.0 D blue
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 blue
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
1.75% 0.1 D blue
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 blue
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Then with using T2
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
10.75% 1.0 D blue
10.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 blue
1.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
10.75% 0.1 D blue
10.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 blue
1.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Hope this helps
Thanks
Lushen
Second mistake that was made was that both birds were entered as
turquoise(parblue)
instead of
turquoise(parblue)Blue
And that's why your results are showing all turquiose chicks.
So for the correct calculation here are the results
First with using T1
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
1.75% 1.0 D blue
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 blue
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
1.75% 0.1 D blue
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 blue
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Then with using T2
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
10.75% 1.0 D blue
10.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 blue
1.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
10.75% 0.1 D blue
10.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 blue
1.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Hope this helps
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Re: please help explain
"like"Lushen1600 wrote:Hi all, nothing is wrong with the calculator, as pointed out by Trabots the initial calculation was entered wrong as the hen was entered as a mauve violet turquoise insteade of a cobalt violet turquoise.
Second mistake that was made was that both birds were entered as
turquoise(parblue)
instead of
turquoise(parblue)Blue
And that's why your results are showing all turquiose chicks.
So for the correct calculation here are the results
First with using T1
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
1.75% 1.0 D blue
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 blue
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
1.75% 0.1 D blue
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 blue
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Then with using T2
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
10.75% 1.0 D blue
10.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 1.0 blue
1.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
10.75% 0.1 D blue
10.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
10.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
1.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
1.75% 0.1 blue
1.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf)
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
12.5% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
Hope this helps
Thanks
Lushen
Re: please help explain
Hi all
I agree that there could have been an incorrect insertion in the calc but the results output majority is turq common what the odds of having 4 chicks that are not turq as also said the cock is nothing compaired to the pic displayed the cock is more blue and the hen is more cobolt violet both birds have less turq would that influence the result of the offspring been no turq? Lushen the calculations give a result with majority turq however read the result posted by myself explaining that none of the chicks have turq in them
I agree that there could have been an incorrect insertion in the calc but the results output majority is turq common what the odds of having 4 chicks that are not turq as also said the cock is nothing compaired to the pic displayed the cock is more blue and the hen is more cobolt violet both birds have less turq would that influence the result of the offspring been no turq? Lushen the calculations give a result with majority turq however read the result posted by myself explaining that none of the chicks have turq in them
Re: please help explain
1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
0.375%1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.375%1.0 trquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
0.375% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.375% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.375%1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
0.375% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.375%0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.375%0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.375%0.1 turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
NOTICE LUSHEN ALL OFFSPRING IS TURQ and not one of the offspring is turq that i have bred
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
0.375%1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.375%1.0 trquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
0.375% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.375% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.375% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.375%1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
0.375% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.375%0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.375%0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.375%0.1 turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.375% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
12.125% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
NOTICE LUSHEN ALL OFFSPRING IS TURQ and not one of the offspring is turq that i have bred
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Re: please help explain
Hi Farza the reason that you are getting all turquoise chicks in your calculations, is because once again you are entering the birds wrong in the calculator. When entered correctly it will show
Turquoise(parblue)Blue
And not
Turquoise(parblue)
So in order to enter blue turquoise correctly you will not merely tick turquoise(parblue) under visual as you are doing but also tick blue under split and this will give you the correct results. The calculator percentages are worked out per 100 chicks born and even if there is a 1.75% chance of breeding a particular mutation, you can have all 4 chicks be this mutation in a clutch, so its not impossible to breed all chicks that do not show turquoise in one clutch from 2 turquoise parents
Also to keep in mind that in some instance it takes the bird a while for the turquoise to start showing and the turquoise becomes more prominant with each moult. So what may look like a blue bird now may actually turn out to be a blue turquoise a couple months down the line
Hope this helps, if you are still confused, please let me know and I will show you with pics how to enter your birds into the genetic calculator
Thanks
Lushen
Turquoise(parblue)Blue
And not
Turquoise(parblue)
So in order to enter blue turquoise correctly you will not merely tick turquoise(parblue) under visual as you are doing but also tick blue under split and this will give you the correct results. The calculator percentages are worked out per 100 chicks born and even if there is a 1.75% chance of breeding a particular mutation, you can have all 4 chicks be this mutation in a clutch, so its not impossible to breed all chicks that do not show turquoise in one clutch from 2 turquoise parents
Also to keep in mind that in some instance it takes the bird a while for the turquoise to start showing and the turquoise becomes more prominant with each moult. So what may look like a blue bird now may actually turn out to be a blue turquoise a couple months down the line
Hope this helps, if you are still confused, please let me know and I will show you with pics how to enter your birds into the genetic calculator
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Re: please help explain
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
This is the insertion in the calc is it correctly done? if so the chicks i have do not resemble the calc output very confused
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
This is the insertion in the calc is it correctly done? if so the chicks i have do not resemble the calc output very confused
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Re: please help explain
Hi on my first calculation I forgot to add the cinnamon and pallid splits for the cock bird, so that would have caused all the confusion, your entry is now correct and here are the results
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
0.026% 1.0 D blue /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 blue /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon <---- possible violet sf chick
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D blue /pallid-cinnamon <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 blue /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon <---- possible violet sf chick
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D blue <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 blue
5.213% 1.0 blue violet(sf) <---- possible violet sf chick
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.026% 1.0 D blue /pallid <---- possible cobalt chick
0.026% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 blue /pallid
0.161% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid <---- possible violet sf chick
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
0.026% 0.1 D blue pallid
0.026% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 blue pallid <---- possible blue lacewing chick
0.161% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 D blue cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 blue cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D blue <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 blue
5.213% 0.1 blue violet(sf) <---- possible cobalt chick
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 D blue pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 blue pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon <---- cinnamon violet lacewing
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
Sorry about the confusion, but the calc is correct
Thanks
Lushen
1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon-pallid
x 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
% from all 1.0
0.026% 1.0 D blue /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 blue /cinnamon
0.161% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon <---- possible violet sf chick
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cinnamon
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D blue /pallid-cinnamon <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 blue /pallid-cinnamon
5.213% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon <---- possible violet sf chick
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid-cinnamon
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid-cinnamon
0.848% 1.0 D blue <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 1.0 D blue violet(sf)
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.848% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)
0.848% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)
5.213% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 1.0 blue
5.213% 1.0 blue violet(sf) <---- possible violet sf chick
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.062% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.026% 1.0 D blue /pallid <---- possible cobalt chick
0.026% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.026% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.026% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
0.161% 1.0 blue /pallid
0.161% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /pallid <---- possible violet sf chick
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /pallid
0.187% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
0.026% 0.1 D blue pallid
0.026% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
0.161% 0.1 blue pallid <---- possible blue lacewing chick
0.161% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid
0.026% 0.1 D blue cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.026% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 blue cinnamon
0.161% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon
0.187% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D blue <---- possible cobalt chick
0.848% 0.1 D blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
5.213% 0.1 blue
5.213% 0.1 blue violet(sf) <---- possible cobalt chick
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf)
0.848% 0.1 D blue pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
0.848% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 blue pallid cinnamon
5.213% 0.1 blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon <---- cinnamon violet lacewing
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue pallid cinnamon
6.062% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) pallid cinnamon
Sorry about the confusion, but the calc is correct
Thanks
Lushen
2014 Pairs
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue
Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
DE Blue/ino x DBlue
Grey/ino x Albino
Pallidino x Lutino
DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
Greygreen/cinn x DE Blue Cinn
DE DBlue Turq x Blue Turq CHWT
Blue x DBlue Turq
Blue x Blue Pallid
Lutino/blue x Blue