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I must say when I opened the envelope, that I was surprised to see the 'dark purple' one in there- thought- uh- they really are all similar then- until I saw the 'bright blue' looking one underneath... lol
I think I placed those feathers in the right order- your darkest was I 'think' denser in colouring- but very close to the one next to it on the right.
I do hope you receive the feathers- I sent you the better ones. I haven't had anything lost in the mail before- but there's always a first.
Your bird's a beauty.
I think I placed those feathers in the right order- your darkest was I 'think' denser in colouring- but very close to the one next to it on the right.
I do hope you receive the feathers- I sent you the better ones. I haven't had anything lost in the mail before- but there's always a first.
Your bird's a beauty.
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From that statement alone I can tell you have never mailed something to SA.sheyd wrote:I haven't had anything lost in the mail before- but there's always a first.
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I got them today.
I would not be surprised if both will end up being violet (sf or df) cobalt
as you said, there is a slight diff between the two
it'll be interesting to see if that's just a variation in color.
i will upload a pic soon
I would not be surprised if both will end up being violet (sf or df) cobalt
as you said, there is a slight diff between the two
it'll be interesting to see if that's just a variation in color.
i will upload a pic soon
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Great that you got them!
Looking forward to seeing how they compare against your dfViolets & sfDark sfViolets as well as any others.
Looking forward to seeing how they compare against your dfViolets & sfDark sfViolets as well as any others.
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you're rightJohan S wrote:sheyd wrote:
From that statement alone I can tell you have never mailed something to SA.
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Pic of the feathers
same as Shey did but instead of last being blue I added an SF Violet Green
2 in the middle are feathers of Shey's birds.my take: df violet (dark?), sf dark df/sf violet is my guess.
The diff. is very small could even be the same mutation if a slight variation of color is in play, time will tell.
same as Shey did but instead of last being blue I added an SF Violet Green
2 in the middle are feathers of Shey's birds.my take: df violet (dark?), sf dark df/sf violet is my guess.
The diff. is very small could even be the same mutation if a slight variation of color is in play, time will tell.
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thanks for posting them Ben It is interesting, that while they 'look' very much the same- they photograph differently.
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I have just sat and read through every response here and WOW, I am learning so much! Thank you, I'm not concerned with breeding at all but this is just facinating
Alicia,
Mum to Peppermint & Sprite
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Feathers from Ben
photographed in the shade and was overcast
From the bottom up- two written in Blue are known-
Blue(one of mine)
Deep?
Deep?
sf American Violet
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet?
dfViolet?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet, sfDark (one of mine)
dfViolet, sfDark + sfDeep?
How'd I go Ben....?
photographed in the shade and was overcast
From the bottom up- two written in Blue are known-
Blue(one of mine)
Deep?
Deep?
sf American Violet
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
Cobalt?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet?
dfViolet?
sfViolet, sfDeep?
dfViolet, sfDark (one of mine)
dfViolet, sfDark + sfDeep?
How'd I go Ben....?
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Shey,
I can tell you the 3 feathers with green on them are from Green SF Violet birds.
the light feather you did not post is from my "yellow" hen (although faded) , if you turn it sideways you'll notice the violet sheen.
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Shey,
I've had & seen many violet ino birds and all looked white no violet sheen on them at all.
There are a few that one can see the violet fluorescence but i bet that's caused by another mutation.
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Not doubting you... I just didn't consider that it might have been from your Pallid- that is all.
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Shey/Ben, SA breeders probably won't agree with that order. Here our American violets are quite a bit darker than cobalt and very much in line with the green SF (US) violet feathers. NT violet is just a shade lighter than cobalt and very easily confused with cobalt, but that isn't the case for US violet.sheyd wrote:From the bottom up- two written in Blue are known-
Blue(one of mine)
Deep?
Deep?
sf American Violet
Cobalt?
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Yea, Although it is a direct 4th gen bird from original, it's tail is rather light, even Shey was surprised how light it was.
I'll breed that male this year n see if he is carrying s-thing else.
We know that PR ran into a "Misty" modifier early in the game.
other than its tail, the head n body is rather dark. same modifier could be in play!?.
he is moulting and tail just starting to grow back, i'll take a photo of him in weeks to come.
I've been planning to go see the original imported hen into Oz, just did not get around to it.
PS: Johan it looks like i'm getting the vio green/ct hen sister of emerald from Aaron early next week if all goes well.
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I'm still curious to know what happened in PR's collection after that article that is now almost a decade old. How time flies!
PS: Great stuff, Ben. Hope that bird brings you lots of joy. I'll also upload some interesting comparative photos in a couple of weeks time when my birds are through their moult.
PS: Great stuff, Ben. Hope that bird brings you lots of joy. I'll also upload some interesting comparative photos in a couple of weeks time when my birds are through their moult.
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Shey,
I'll send you next week some more feathers.
I have just found a few more feathers and of the Violet SL Edged mature male, I thought you might want to have it.
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Sure would.. not sure how the bird would like to be stuffed in an envelope and sent through the mail though...Ring0Neck wrote:
I have just found a few more feathers and of the Violet SL Edged mature male, I thought you might want to have it.
Great stuff!Johan S wrote:I'll also upload some interesting comparative photos in a couple of weeks time when my birds are through their moult.
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Hi Shey
I have had a DF Violet hen paired to a Violet Cobalt/cinnamon cock for some years trying to get a DF Violet Cobalt and a range of Violet Cobalt cinnamons.
I think i got most of the cinnamons over time but I have found multiple structural gene combos in cinnamon impossible to separate visually. Strangely, I have never got a DF Violet Cobalt and I think that bird you posted a photo of earlier in the thread is probably the elusive DF Violet Cobalt. It looks mauver than any of the many i bred over the years, all of which were DF Violet or Violet cobalt.
Kind regards
Mike
I have had a DF Violet hen paired to a Violet Cobalt/cinnamon cock for some years trying to get a DF Violet Cobalt and a range of Violet Cobalt cinnamons.
I think i got most of the cinnamons over time but I have found multiple structural gene combos in cinnamon impossible to separate visually. Strangely, I have never got a DF Violet Cobalt and I think that bird you posted a photo of earlier in the thread is probably the elusive DF Violet Cobalt. It looks mauver than any of the many i bred over the years, all of which were DF Violet or Violet cobalt.
Kind regards
Mike
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Hi Mike - Judging from the feathers Ben sent me and the tail feather I added from one of your birds (in pic above)- I've concluded that they are dfViolet or sfViolet sfDark when looking at the sfViolet Green feather next to the one. Breeding will prove either way though. I now see how difficult it is to determine exactly what a double or triple structural mutation bird can be!
this is him not long after you sent him- he's almost finished his moult now- I find him most attractive- whatever he may be.
this is him not long after you sent him- he's almost finished his moult now- I find him most attractive- whatever he may be.
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This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts. That will be the last in the 'series' still outstanding, except for mauve violet, in which I have never had much interest.
Already looking forward to the next season, and it is still so looooong away. Hopefully our northern hemisphere friends will soon start reporting a good season, rather than the single chicks here and there we are hearing about at this stage (still early for them, though). And I hope it is better than last year for them.
Already looking forward to the next season, and it is still so looooong away. Hopefully our northern hemisphere friends will soon start reporting a good season, rather than the single chicks here and there we are hearing about at this stage (still early for them, though). And I hope it is better than last year for them.
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So far no eggs until now.Johan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts. That will be the last in the 'series' still outstanding, except for mauve violet, in which I have never had much interest.
Already looking forward to the next season, and it is still so looooong away. Hopefully our northern hemisphere friends will soon start reporting a good season, rather than the single chicks here and there we are hearing about at this stage (still early for them, though). And I hope it is better than last year for them.
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Holding thumbs for youJohan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts.
Madas- good luck with your season!
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Thx. Normally one month to go before laying eggs starts. But the females are very nest active.sheyd wrote:Holding thumbs for youJohan S wrote:This year we will try for the first time to breed a DF violet DF dark from two DF violet cobalts.
Madas- good luck with your season!
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Thanks Shey!
Madas, what's the weather like this winter? Is it as cold as last year?
Madas, what's the weather like this winter? Is it as cold as last year?
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Until last weekend we had temperatures aorung 5-10°C but now is getting colder down to -10°C. So same sh*t as last year.Johan S wrote:Thanks Shey!
Madas, what's the weather like this winter? Is it as cold as last year?
Lets see how it develops.
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Holding thumbs for you guys!
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Johan, Shey
This is the fourth generation violet, i must say it is a light bird
flash used
H/U looks like a violet head n cobalt body
This is the fourth generation violet, i must say it is a light bird
flash used
H/U looks like a violet head n cobalt body
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Feathers from 2 unrelated 2013 SF Grey
obviously the 2 are vastly different in color
funny thing is, no breeder ever seriously asks why the 2 colors are so diff. and will just pass both as sf grey.
1 more pic:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360.jpg
same pic as above just more lighting
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360L.jpg
obviously the 2 are vastly different in color
funny thing is, no breeder ever seriously asks why the 2 colors are so diff. and will just pass both as sf grey.
1 more pic:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360.jpg
same pic as above just more lighting
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360L.jpg
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could perhaps one be a df Grey (do you know)? otherwise, it's probably just the variance (related to unknown modifiers ) we see across the board with all mutations.
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No DF i bred it from a my avatar hen.sheyd wrote:could perhaps one be a df Grey (do you know)? otherwise, it's probably just the variance (related to unknown modifiers ) we see across the board with all mutations.
That's "generalising" and we all do it.
like a Doc. saying to a patient: "you have cancer coz of smoking" (patient never smoked)
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Perhaps the right one is a "deep" grey.Ring0Neck wrote:Feathers from 2 unrelated 2013 SF Grey
obviously the 2 are vastly different in color
funny thing is, no breeder ever seriously asks why the 2 colors are so diff. and will just pass both as sf grey.
1 more pic:
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360.jpg
same pic as above just more lighting
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1360L.jpg
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Also, maybe one aviary has more sun than the other? But you are right Ben, I often walk straight past grey birds, just looking long enough to establish if it is grey or mauve.
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Whatever caused that SF Grey feather to go so dark imagine if the bird would have been Violet bird ! ?
We would call it a "nice" violet or DF Violet being so dark, causing confusion...
I'd love to know why this happened without saying "minor modifiers at work".
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Molossus,
The young grey is young still changing its pheotype, now it has an outburst of parblue showing mainly on the saddle area.
that alone would darken the tail feather.
The young grey is young still changing its pheotype, now it has an outburst of parblue showing mainly on the saddle area.
that alone would darken the tail feather.
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Ring0Neck wrote:Molossus,
The young grey is young still changing its pheotype, now it has an outburst of parblue showing mainly on the saddle area.
that alone would darken the tail feather.
I think you've just answered your own question
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Shey
Pretty much
Turq. should darken the tail, i wonder if that's something we can use before turquoise is visible in some feathering chicks to tell if normal or turquoise!?
Pretty much
Turq. should darken the tail, i wonder if that's something we can use before turquoise is visible in some feathering chicks to tell if normal or turquoise!?
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Ringo- did you get any other Greys out of the same clutch?
ps.. the longest tail feather is from the dam of your dark Grey tail feather in my last pic
ps.. the longest tail feather is from the dam of your dark Grey tail feather in my last pic
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all parblues though
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Were they of varying shades?
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Don't recall, if i find some old pics when i had them all, i'll post them.
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weird but nice !
I title this pic "Alien Extraction"
I title this pic "Alien Extraction"
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