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Hey hey hey

I am still not 100% about my girls colouring, green recessive pied accoring to a breeder here, have a look at my new pics and add ur opinion please!
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Green pied
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If she is a green rec pied, you are going to get all green babies split for pied, if you pair her with a green male
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Green x Green
DGreen x DBlue
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DE Blue Turq x Grey
DE Grey Turq x Blue
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You know what i think and still havent chnaged my mind.
But if it is pied it would be recessive and the babies will be split for it.

I reckon you will get babies that look like her and then the real debate will start because she cant be rec.pied if the babies look like her.(as long as the cock is staright wild)

Ta Glenn
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:mrgreen:
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Hey there,
yer better of leaving them this close to the season.

If Madas doesnt answer he still thinks what he said before.

Recio has his head in how colours can differ even in the same colour bird (and on the same individual feather)
its in a different chat room and its pretty amazing some of the stuff the geneous's come up with. And also the differnet mutations that arent spoken about on this site in the indian ringneck species.

Thanks Glenn.

P.S. good luck this season. Mine have already started! 1 pair doesnt know if they love each other or hate each other, they will do the deed and 10mins later attack each other.
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Breeding season is still 2 months away here
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Thanks
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It looks heaps different fom the first lot of pictures you posted.

Cinnomon varies in price depending on the colour of bird its in.

In Aus cinnimon in blue or grey birds go for about $90.
Green about $50

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So Glenn you still think she is rec. pied ?

:cry:
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Hey its looks like its got the cinnimon gene showing through,
Unfortunaltly it works the same as rec.pied and none of the babies will visually show it.

It still doesnt look like a plain green cinnimon though.

You never know you may just have the start of a new mutation,

Question in one of the photos her head looks darker then the body! Is that the case or just the photo?

I have a thought on what it could be but i have only ever seen one before in a photo and it was grey not green. Answer first then i will say what i am thinking.

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Her head is the same darker limey green as on her body, its so hard to describe her and so hard to get photos that do her justice, as she shows such different colours when you actually look at her.

her head is fractionally darker than most of her, as one her wings etc she goes into the yellowey/ almost brownish colour.

What should i breed her too is my next question?
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this is giving me such a headache.
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SCB -SA wrote:Glenn, if i go onto

http://www.thomasriver.co.za/ringnecks/

and look at the pics of their cinnamon mutatioons there, my girl is NOTHING like any of those?

When i look at the grey green cinnamon, which i thought might be similar to her, it isnt, i mean, some of the feathers on my girl are that colour, but certainly not her whole body, and when i look at the image of the wing, my girls wings are no where near as dark as that, she is much lighter.

Her wings look more like the grey green lime, but then her head isnt that lighter colour...

this is giving me such a headache.
Go back to this site and look for Cinnamon Dom Dilute (= cinnamon dom. edged). The first picture is perfectly matching your bird.
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Thanks Madas I missed that, even then im not quite a 100% sure, but will call her that from now on,
ideally what should i pair her with then, and the out come of her babies with my green male, and potentially a lutino male?

Thanks
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and also, are they common or hard to find?

Ive never seen another one.

Price wise anyone know what she is worth, in South african rands, (i am useless at converting when you guys give the price in $ ! )
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Madas what about a cinnimon opaline cross over?

SCB-SA You will need Madas to anser the question regarding how common they are as i dont know, if its what i think then i know they are rare as its near impossible to breed.

Ta Glenn
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SCB -SA wrote:Thanks Madas I missed that, even then im not quite a 100% sure, but will call her that from now on,
ideally what should i pair her with then, and the out come of her babies with my green male, and potentially a lutino male?

Thanks
offspring with green male:
for both sexes half is normal green and half is dom. edged green. the hole male offspring is split for cinnamon.

offsring with lutino male:
males green and dom. edged green, all split for cinnamon and ino. females half lutino and half dom. edged lutino (dont know how it would look like, i have never seen one)

For the future i would try to get a dom. edged blue or green split cinnamon. but only if the hen is proving that she is carrying the dom. edged gen. means one of the male offspring should look like a dom. edged.

greetings.
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So glenn what would i have to do what the other guy is doing and breed her back to her young to get babies of her colour?

this is so confusing, wish you were all located closer to just be able to come over and view her in person, would be sooooooo much easier!!!
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SCB -SA wrote:So glenn what would i have to do what the other guy is doing and breed her back to her young to get babies of her colour?

this is so confusing, wish you were all located closer to just be able to come over and view her in person, would be sooooooo much easier!!!
It would be the easiest way becasue you will need to find another one weather it be what i think or what madas think.

The hardest part is you cant tell by looking at a bird what its split too!
Which makes it harder becasue you need to pair her back to a male son that is partially that mutation and split to the other mutation or split to both mutations and again there is still only a % that will produce offspring that look like her.
In other words the male you pair her to in madas case must be dom.edge and split to cinnimon or cinnimon split to dom.edge or split to both.

Another though is youtube, put her in a cage in natural light walk around her with a video recorder and it could help with the colouring and not to far away either.

I know its confusing it takes time to learn it. And its also hard as you said because we just cant pop in and look at it.

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ok so best thing for me to do is breed her with my green male for a clutch this season , and lutino male next season, keep a male from each and breed her with those two boys and see what I get?

im really not fond of the idea but i suppose if its the only way....

what would happen if i bred her with a blue male? Green babies split for cinnamon?
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"offspring with green male:
for both sexes half is normal green and half is dom. edged green. the hole male offspring is split for cinnamon."

i dont quite understand that?
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dog_glenn123 wrote: or cinnimon split to dom.edge or split to both.
There are no IRNs split for dom. edged because the inheritance of it is a dominant. ;)
Or what do you think is dom. standing for? :D
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SCB -SA wrote:"offspring with green male:
for both sexes half is normal green and half is dom. edged green. the hole male offspring is split for cinnamon."

i dont quite understand that?
1.0 green x 0.1 green edge_dilution(sf) cinnamon
% from all 1.0
50.0% 1.0 green edge_dilution(sf) /cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 green /cinnamon
% from all 0.1
50.0% 0.1 green edge_dilution(sf)
50.0% 0.1 green
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madas wrote:
dog_glenn123 wrote: or cinnimon split to dom.edge or split to both.
There are no IRNs split for dom. edged because the inheritance of it is a dominant. ;)
Or what do you think is dom. standing for? :D
good on ya, just got carried away with the example :mrgreen:
you know what i meant! :oops:

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dog_glenn123 wrote:Madas what about a cinnimon opaline cross over?

SCB-SA You will need Madas to anser the question regarding how common they are as i dont know, if its what i think then i know they are rare as its near impossible to breed.

Ta Glenn

Madas what do you think of that?

And so there is a chance both male and female babies would show as green dom edged? (what does that even look like!?!)

or am i getting lost here :? :?: :!: :?: :|
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i will try and find sme pictures for you tomorrow.
And im glad you asked madas because i was going to as well.

ta glenn
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SCB -SA wrote:
dog_glenn123 wrote:Madas what about a cinnimon opaline cross over?

SCB-SA You will need Madas to anser the question regarding how common they are as i dont know, if its what i think then i know they are rare as its near impossible to breed.

Ta Glenn

Madas what do you think of that?

And so there is a chance both male and female babies would show as green dom edged? (what does that even look like!?!)

or am i getting lost here :? :?: :!: :?: :|
I don't think its an opaline cinnamon bird. Your bird doesn't show any characteristic of an opaline bird.
No yellow stripe on the wings, no darker head and no dark tips at the end of the tail.
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dog_glenn123 wrote:if its what i think then i know they are rare as its near impossible to breed
Wrong. the crossover rate between cinnamon and opalin is 32%. So there is really a good chance to get such a bird.
But as i said the bird show nothing which could identify it as opaline.

Ckeckout this http://www.euronet.nl/users/hnl/sexchrom.htm
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ok good, so then we can all almost agree that she is a cinnamon dom edged female!

now.....

what to breed to get babies her colour...
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SCB -SA wrote: what to breed to get babies her colour
low level

dom. edged green /cinnamon for green series birds
dom. edged blue /cinnamon for green and blue series birds

next level

dom. edged violetgreen /cinnamon for green series birds with violet factor
dom. edged violetblue /cinnamon for green and blue series birds with violet factor

top level

dom. edged violet darkgreen /cinnamon for green series birds with violet and dark factor
dom. edged cobalt violet /cinnamon for green and blue series birds with violet and dark factor
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