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Post by InTheAir » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:02 am

Hey,

I thought it was time for an update on how Sapphire is adapting to being a house parrot.
She is really getting the hang of it!
We did a little bit of practise at going in and out of the travel cage, she was more than happy to climb in and hang out.
She had her first shower this week.
Because we live in a big, open plan house, with curtains on the doorways to keep her in the parrot rooms, she has been using the travel cage so I can transport her to the shower. Nila came along to show her the ropes.
Apart from freaking out when I showed her the big mirror, she took to the bathroom like a duck to water. She watched Nila for a minute, then she chased him off so she could try this
shower thing. Eventually I did convince her to share the water stream and they both got drenched!
After a nice long shower, they sat in the sun in their travel cages to dry out.

She has the sharpest nails, she has managed to take skin of my fingers when she has trouble balancing! I have started getting her accustomed to having her feet played with, but we are still a few weeks away from her sitting on a perch while I trim her nails...

Here's a video of what we are working on. I think it is essential for my birds to be comfortable with being restrained, just in case we ever need to grab them in an emergency.
http://youtu.be/bOGjb83bddE I even managed to cut the video down to about a minute!
We only started on this trick this evening, it wasn't very daunting for her. She is naturally quite pushy :mrgreen:

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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:18 am

Wow Claire. You've done really well! Good work.

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Post by AlphaWolf » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:20 am

Oh his nice is Sapphi :mrgreen: Makes me green with envy :D. Btw, I think this is the perfect time to introduce the Aviator harness. Maybe the training in the video could be used in aviator training. Wish me luck with Aero :D .
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Post by MissK » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:01 am

Adorable video.
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Post by Doodlebug » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:49 am

Wow am I ever jealous! :mrgreen:

You are such a natural with birds, the next Barbara Heidenreich :)
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Post by InTheAir » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:02 pm

Thanks for the support guys.
Alpha, you are right about that being good harness preparation, but I doubt she will be ready for a harness for a long time!
I was trying to keep the video a watchable length, so I cut out the bit where I forgot which bird I was working with and kissed her on the forehead. She was not impressed at all :lol: she got a huge fright and almost flew away.

I think we might have beginners luck in choosing birds, we have managed to get 2 really easy going birds!

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Post by Little Buttercup » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:06 pm

Wonderful, Claire

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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:50 pm

I still think you're the bird whisperer :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:42 am

Skyes_crew wrote:I still think you're the bird whisperer :mrgreen:
Have you ever heard a parrot whisper? Mine shout!

Anyway, I happen to know there's someone else on this forum with a violet aviary raised bird, she whispered in it's ear and it decided humans are great....

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:38 am

:mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:52 pm

Wow, I am so angry right now! I called a local vet, asked on the phone if they would be happy to do a nail clip the way I ask, just dull the point not shorten the nail as length was ok. They said they would.
We got there, explained again what I wanted and why. Vet starts clipping away to the quick. I reiterated that I only wanted the point trimmed, vet trims next nail even further, right into the quick so it bleeds. I swore a bit and explained again that I have several reasons why I only want the points taken off, if you trim too much bird falls off shower screen and slippery perches.
The nails weren't long anyway, just a bit pointy. On top of that, you can see where the vein is on her nails, even a simpleton should be able to do it. The nurse started telling me they would have trim them more often if they don't chop them short. I explained again that in a few weeks time the bird will be happy to hold out her nails to be clipped, so that is a moot point anyway. It is more important to me that my bird has long enough nails to get around properly on any surface.
After that the vet followed my instructions.
After I paid, I mentioned that I was very disappointed in the service, that I had asked them several times to trim them the way I had asked and had explained why I wanted it done that way.
Lucky I didn't let them take her into the room without me like they wanted me to, they probably would have chopped off her wings too or something barbaric like that.

It probably would have been less traumatic to do it myself! Sapphire sulked for about half an hour. She's got horribly uneven nails now!

On the way home, we visited Dave at work. Nila was in his harness the whole time, he hopped onto Daves shoulder and helped put a gear box in a van. After about 10 minutes Nila started looking very worried. I had forgotten to take him to the bathroom after seeing the vet! Poor Nila, as soon as he got off Daves shoulder he dropped the biggest bomb I've ever seen!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:17 am

Wow...I would have flipped out. I don't like the points on baby nails either, my hands look like I'm into playing with thorn bushes. But jeez...doesn't anybody listen anymore??? Why don't we take off a couple of the vets toes and see how great he walks.... :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:26 am

I did use some very strong language, including a word we don't want Nila to learn.... I also pointed out that I will not be using their services again nor recommending them and that I had asked over the phone if they were happy to follow my instructions!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:30 am

Speaking of words we don't want our parrots to learn...how often does Nila have to hear a word to repeat it???
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:57 am

I have no idea. Probably hundreds of times. Most words he says are ones that we use on a daily basis, quite a few not even things we have tried to teach to him.
He learns bird sounds really quickly!

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Post by MissK » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:15 am

That vet experience sounds like it was the actual opposite of what anybody wants. I would have had to remove my bird on the second nail and storm out. Did that person speak the same English you do?

I also never leave my pet in the hands of a vet or staff unless something extreme is going on. It's like taking that elderly relative to the "home" - you assume they will take good care of them, but bad experiences are a reality.

Too bad Dave had to take one for the team, but I bet he understood.
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Post by Doodlebug » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:49 am

InTheAir wrote:Vet starts clipping away to the quick. I reiterated that I only wanted the point trimmed, vet trims next nail even further, right into the quick so it bleeds.
I had this done to my first IRN, it makes you so mad doesn't it? They had to use a pen to stop the bleed and it didn't stop for ages. Makes you wonder how they passed their vetinary exams doesn't it.
InTheAir wrote:he dropped the biggest bomb I've ever seen!
Pity it wasn't on the vet. :twisted:
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:43 am

InTheAir wrote:I have no idea. Probably hundreds of times. Most words he says are ones that we use on a daily basis, quite a few not even things we have tried to teach to him.
He learns bird sounds really quickly!
Interesting...hamlet seems to have decided he's learned enough words lol. No new ones in forever. But Cyrano, he can learn a new word in a day or two and just keeps rotating them into his vocabulary. I wish there were more Alex owners I could ask about their birds vocabulary. It just seems unbelievable to me that he learns so quick. I had a cold last weekend. One of the days I couldn't stop sneezing...he now imitates my sneeze perfectly. Sounds are easier for him, but I really have to record a new session of him going through his words and sounds. To me it's amazing :D
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Post by electronegative » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:51 pm

That sounds terrible... sorry you and Sapphire had to experience that. I'm astonished they still made you pay for it. :x

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Post by ranechild » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:26 pm

Yeah, pointy baby bird nails are terrible for the skin...
My bfriend and I use the cuticle cutters that they use in the nail salon. We haven't found anything else that we like as much. They cut through finger nails and have an angled tip. they have thin blades so it allows me to just clip the very tip of the nail-that last shredding milimeter. Boyfriend hold Fats in a towel, I clip.

BUT, if Fats held his little birdie foot out for his clippings--that would be way better!!!

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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:49 pm

Poor Sapphire has one foot with no grip! She slides all over my hand with that foot. She is a bit unco at the best of times, with her huge chicken feet, so I'm feeling extra guilty.
I usually do nails myself, I just didn't want to be the one toweling her at this stage. I regret that decision now.
Nila holds his little tootsies up for us to trim them. It was really easy to teach! Every bird should learn it.

Missk, he waited until he was off Dave, poor boy must have been holding on for ages!

Loo, great suggestion! Next time I have to go to a vet I will ensure Nila is loaded and ready to go! I wish I had a lorikeet, you can aim them!

We have Janey and Charlie staying for a couple days, so Sapphire has had a few short, sharp lessons in etiquette!
She introduced herself by growling at them and trying to chase them. Really dumb idea, Saph. Janey was not interested in being intimated by a little upstart and told her firmly to lost. Even when Sapphire puts her aggressive face on at one of the boys within a metre of Janey, Janey starts getting her hackles up.
Charlie just ignores her until she is just about touching him, then he tells her where to go. She hasn't approached anyone nicely, but her demeanour when she is near Janey is a lot more pleasant already.
Nila took one look at Janeys expression when she arrived and decided it was wise to leave her alone. He has been following Charlie around like a puppy. He can't stop touching him and trying to preen his head. Charlie shuffles away when he gets fed up or sometimes opens his beak in a threat.
In the time it has taken me to write this, Sapphire has discovered she can go near j&c without being aggressive and they leave her alone! She is still trying to get Janey to back down and almost got bitten for her efforts.

Melissa: Nila greeted Charlie with all the noises he knows from charlie's vocabulary! It was quite impressive.
Cyrano must be a genius!

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Post by Redzone » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:31 pm

The silliest thing about that vet visit, is that the vet just down the road (who we didnt want to back to for other reasons) who trimmed nila's nails when he was a baby, did a MUCH better job of it, even showing how he tested with light pressure on the nail to see if it was the part that could be cut or the part that hurts & bleeds!

Here are some pics of the visit so far:

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Post by MissK » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:36 pm

I might be a little jealous........ :mrgreen:
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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:12 am

Awww...it's the ringneck crew :D

I see Nila is getting his new pretty boy tail feathers :D he also looks to be sporting a bit of the white part of his ring...or is it just the angle?
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:40 am

Missk: there's a spare beanbag in front of the home entertainment system :wink:

Mel: it's just the lighting, he's got slightly darker eyebrows after moulting. He's very handsome. I can't believe he dropped both tail feathers within days of each other. He looked like a little baby.

I had all 4 on my arm for a minute, then Sapphire tried to go for Janey really nastily and I pushed her off with the passion fruit they were eating! That scared Janey and Charlie, so Nila was left eating passion fruit. I think he wants Janey and Charlie to stay forever!

Nila and Charlie played basketball, but then Sapphire came over to throw her weight around.

I think my bird has socialisation issues....

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:48 am

She's testing the pecking order lol.
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:12 am

Yeah, that's it. She knows not to mess with me, cos I'm tough (Raaah!). And Dave, cos he's even tougher. :lol:
In hindsight, I think I should have asked the breeder to put her in with the other weaned birds for a few weeks before taking her home. The cock was acting very aggressive when she had left the nest and her brother left a week or two before her, so she didn't get as much social interaction as Nila, who was put with a younger clutch after his siblings were sold.
Watching bens young birds interacting really highlighted that flock dynamic that she missed out on. We had so much fun watching them. I might have to keep Janey and Charlie for a bit longer.... I'm sure Ellie and Mr Ellie need a holiday :mrgreen:

*edit*
Interestingly, Nila displayed baby behaviour to j&c when he first met them. Especially to j. He wasn't that young at the time either.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:32 am

Looks like J&C are having fun. Thanks for looking after them. It seems Charlie has abandoned Janey to hang out with Nila?

I find it interesting that J will stand up to Sapphy as at home Charlie is more likely to be aggressive to
Janey than the other way around.

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:57 am

Neither of your birds are going out of their way to tell Sapphire off, it's only when she approaches them the wrong way.
Janey is less comfortable at our house, so sticks to certain perches and won't give them up. Charlie has been exploring. I also think he can't get away from Nila to hang out with Janey! Nila thinks Charlie is great. Charlie did fly to the kitchen to play basketball with Nila and was the one who dropped the ball when Nila looked at it.
Nila has tried a couple cautious approaches to Janey and been rebuffed. He spent about 15 minutes trying to get closer to her, inching up and using his cutest body language. Sapphire tends to charge in, so Janey pushes her straight off the perch.

Btw, Nila found out the shopping trolley falls over when you climb on the handle. ... 3 times so far. ... he has been putting the balls and counters in it when we aren't paying attention to him, and climbing the handle when he wants to get them out :lol:

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:02 am

I think the pecking order is who ever feels grumpy at that moment. Charlie and Nila seldom do, Janey when someone wants to get in her space (besides Charlie) and Sapphire is trying to bully everyone.
She has been better with Nila, especially when Janey is looking at her.

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Post by electronegative » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:12 am

Do you all live close to each other? I wish I had friends with ringnecks. I have friends with birds, but they're all conure/quaker sized or even smaller, so I'm afraid my bird will attack them or something.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:46 pm

Claire and I met on this forum and found we live in the same suburb. We hadn't met before that. It is good to have someone who shares your passion for birds to talk to.

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:01 pm

We got lucky. Ellie also introduced us to the parrot clubs in the area. Are there any parrot societies in your area, electro? I have learnt so much from them.

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Post by electronegative » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:26 pm

Hmm, just did a quick google search, and apparently I do! I'll definitely look into them, thanks. It's crazy that you found out you live in the same suburb btw. Once while playing a video game (starcraft) I was randomly matched with someone who went to my high school, but was a few years younger than me... it was so weird!

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:48 pm

Yeah, it's always funny when that happens.
I hope your parrot club is a good one. We joined the bird club here. There are a lot of knowledgeable members, but if you are ever after unparalleled boredom most of the meetings are the place to be.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:01 pm

Yeah Claire...you're super tough :lol:

Sapphire will learn her lesson...eventually :wink:

It's a shame your bird club meetings are so boring Claire. There's so much drama at our former club, it should have been a daytime drama show :D
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Post by Little Buttercup » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:43 pm

Poor Sapphire, how could they do that to her nails! It makes me angry to hear that. And how could they expect you to pay them for hurting your bird? Afterall they didn't give you what you wanted so you are not entitled to pay them, imo.

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Post by electronegative » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:36 am

Many practices have you sign a consent form before they do anything, so their own screw-ups were probably already covered... but it's bad business practice regardless.

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Post by InTheAir » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:54 am

Mel, I think it's an age thing. Ellie and I are the youngest by about 50 years or so. :wink: It's a whole different culture. Dave refuses to attend the meetings, he prefers to watch grass grow.

If anyone is looking for a vet in the sunshine coast pm me and I will let you know who I don't recommend! :twisted:
Sapphire is resilient, she climbed into the travel cage when I was at work and waited there for Dave to take her and Nila for a shower. I was worried she would have some anxiety about the travel cage after the vet trip, but she's fine with it.

I am so astounded with how confident she is with Dave and I. I actually do very minimal handling and most of the day she is free to roam the play trees and the big rooms she had access to. I do ask her to step up and return to her cage any time I have to leave the room, but other than that it is her choice to hang out with me or not.
She also flew to Ellies hand to eat treats today! She was exhibiting very nervous posture and didn't stay there long. We are still very pleased with her.

We think she is almost ready to go to work with Nila and Dave on the days I'm working. I have taken her for a couple short trips to his work with Nila and she was cautious, but not freaking out. She just follows Nilas lead on everything, Nila can sleep through a rattle gun being used right next to him!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:05 am

Claire, believe it or not, it's the "older" crowd at the club causing all the drama. It's like they're regressing or something :mrgreen:

I think you have proven at this point that your methods of training work. With Nila we all declared that he was a genius. But I think we had it wrong...it's you who have the natural ability. You've proven that with proper handling, taming methods and respect for the wild creatures they are, that anything is possible. :D
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Post by AlphaWolf » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:15 am

And where does that put me, at 15 years old :D :roll: :P
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:39 am

Anyone can "own" a bird. But to truly live with one is an accomplishment. No matter what the age :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:30 pm

Mel, I just noticed the word "former". Did you club disband? I can imagine a lot of companion parrot folks could be a bit opinionated. .... I know I am :wink:
We went to the other parrot club meeting yesterday, we were late and had to sit at the back, so we couldn't hear what they were talking about. After the break I remembered I had a pa and mic in the back of my car, so we ran and got it as the guest speaker has a lovely, soft voice. I can't believe they didn't think of having one there already!

I still think Nila is a genius! He does seem quite a bit brighter than Sapphire. At her age, he would pause to inspect a new foraging toy then solve it immediately. Sapphire just gets frustrated and bites them. She looked so annoyed when I put her seed in the foraging wheel yesterday! :mrgreen:

Janey has really sorted Sapphs attitude out! Sapphire now tolerates other birds being quite close and has started approaching them nicely. She doesn't share food well. I find that strange because the other 3 do, they even take bits that are sticking out of other birds mouths with no repercussions or even warnings.

I am glad I proved my point, I did know it could be done because of that person with a violet bird called Hamlet though. Maybe we should write a book "How to get your wild parrot annoyingly tame"? Chapter one can be about how to get rid of most furniture from the rooms the birds have access to and to replace it with play trees... This reduces damage to human furniture and keeps destructobeak busy! It doesn't stop her eating the carpet though. ... :wink:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:22 pm

Yes...our former club disbanded. It was a messy ordeal. The former board members pushed me and another friend to start a new club. Most of the 140 members of the other club are now in my club. The old president is fuming lol. She was such a witch anyway. And she knows nothing about birds at all. Her poor grey and amazon. I personally would not let her own a cockroach.

Haha...a book. Maybe we can teach our annoyingly tame birds to write :mrgreen:

We had our winter carnival today in our housing development. They make snow for the event. Real snow!!! I thought it was a great opportunity to socialize Cyrano and Hamlet. I had a crowd around me with people wanting to pet them and take pictures with them. I figured they'd be climbing my neck to get away. They were really good though as long as the kids didn't grab at them. The two did their little wave trick and the kids thought it was great. Poor Santa had a short line :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:11 am

Wow, that sounds intense. I try to avoid the politics completely.

Great work with your boys! They sound very confident.

Any tips on conversion to pellets? Sapphire only likes the ones in Nilas cage and is fiending for seeds. She eats her pellet and veggie mash in the mornings, but only wants seed in the evenings. She didn't even eat her greens or carrot... Only her berries and fruit.

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Post by AlphaWolf » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:28 am

Claire,Melissa and MissK should make a book together.{I'am writing this whilst Aero is bathing :)} What pellets do you feed your birds Claire, you have a drama going there, Definatley going to follow this thread :D
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Post by MissK » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:10 am

I don't think I have anything to contribute to the tricky parrot club there.....


What will Sapphire do if you put the pellets in a bowl on the outside of the cage so she has to reach through to get one? Is there a grass is greener on the other side thing going on here?
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:51 am

Try adding a bit of apple juice to the pellets at first. Then just reduce the amount over time. Grape juice works too :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:24 pm

MissK wrote:I don't think I have anything to contribute to the tricky parrot club there.....


What will Sapphire do if you put the pellets in a bowl on the outside of the cage so she has to reach through to get one? Is there a grass is greener on the other side thing going on here?
Tip the bowl over :lol: it's her speciality! She does eat them best from Nilas cage (and then tips his bowl over). I usually have a bowl of pellets on the bench, but she tipped it into my handbag that was on the floor below it, so I haven't refilled that one. :lol:

I'll pick up some pure juice today and see if that helps the flavour!

In case anyone is curious, the Apple flavour in Roudybush doesn't come through at all. It just tastes mostly like maize. It's not actually very nice, but it is way nicer than coloured vetafarm pellets. They taste really weird!

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Re: Sapphires progress

Post by electronegative » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:36 am

Isn't apple juice, even organic, potentially dangerous to birds? I heard that juicers will just throw in the entire apple, and there's cyanide in the seeds...

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:05 pm

100% natural fruit juices are not bad in small quantities. It's the added sugar you want to avoid and apple cider which is fermented, not cooked, and contains pulp. Apple seeds do contain trace amounts of cyanide. A very very very small amount. While I wouldn't go and feed a handful of seeds to my birds, I also don't worry if I cut the apple too close to the core like some do. The riper the apple, the softer the seeds. So feed hard crisp apples and the seeds have no bearing on the fruit itself. A very wise person once told me..."nobody cores the apples for the birds in the wild, so why should I?"
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Post by electronegative » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:41 am

Skyes_crew wrote:A very wise person once told me..."nobody cores the apples for the birds in the wild, so why should I?"
No offense, but I'm not sure if I'm buying that. Nobody provides the birds in the wild with guaranteed food and shelter from the extreme cold/heat either, so why should I? Nobody takes the birds in the wild to the vet when they're acting weird, so why should I? We should try to duplicate as much of their natural environment as possible, but only when it's safe - I wouldn't feed my birds some roaches I found just because ringnecks in the wild might eat insects. I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to stuff like that, but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

Also, did you say apple cider is fermented so shouldn't be given to our birds? I didn't know that! Apple cider tastes more like fresh apples than apple juice does, so I always thought cider was more natural.

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Post by Doodlebug » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:25 am

InTheAir wrote:Mel, I think it's an age thing. Ellie and I are the youngest by about 50 years or so. :wink:
After reading the part in the thread about Parrot Clubs I went on Google to see if there are any in my area. And every one I have come across-which are few and far between, look populated by members who possibly may be as old as their elderly African Greys!! I scrolled through some of their photos of dinners that they've attended etc, and it looks as much fun as sticking your hand in a blender, which is a real pity because even though I'd get some fantastic knowledge from those guys, I'd want a bit of a grin at the same time to keep me interested in going.

I'm sure there must be other people around that have IRNs! All I know is that I've never met a person who has/had one, only Budgies/Tiels and the odd Grey.
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Post by MissK » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:57 am

Too bad you're not here. I really like my bird club. We have some elderly members and some young members, including one really, really young one. :) I guess most of them are within a decade of my own age either way. They're just people, a slice of the population, though perhaps the "men under 50" segment is a little underrepresented..... If there is drama, I'm not seeing it. --Of course, I really don't go looking for drama. :lol:
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Re: Sapphires progress

Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:09 pm

electronegative wrote:
Skyes_crew wrote:A very wise person once told me..."nobody cores the apples for the birds in the wild, so why should I?"
No offense, but I'm not sure if I'm buying that. Nobody provides the birds in the wild with guaranteed food and shelter from the extreme cold/heat either, so why should I? Nobody takes the birds in the wild to the vet when they're acting weird, so why should I? We should try to duplicate as much of their natural environment as possible, but only when it's safe - I wouldn't feed my birds some roaches I found just because ringnecks in the wild might eat insects. I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to stuff like that, but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

Also, did you say apple cider is fermented so shouldn't be given to our birds? I didn't know that! Apple cider tastes more like fresh apples than apple juice does, so I always thought cider was more natural.

In the wild it's called natural order of selection. Im not trying to recreate wilderness conditions! I was only making a point that apple seeds that are not broken open have no bearing on the fruit. As I said, I wouldn't give apple seeds to my birds. Apple juice is pasteurized. Heated to a high temp to kill bacteria. Apple cider is not. That is why it must be refrigerated right off the bat and has a short shelf life. It's usually only produced in the season the apples were picked.
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Re: Sapphires progress

Post by electronegative » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:59 pm

Sorry, I wasn't accusing you. I just felt like "wild birds don't have ___ so my pet shouldn't either" isn't necessarily the right argument for doing or not doing something.

So, is apple cider safe for them to have or no?

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Post by Little Buttercup » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:17 pm

Apple Cider in the drinking water of chickens and livestock is very good and they benefit alot from it. But for parrots! I really don't know. Maybe you should do a google search. Btw I just finish sip my cup of Apple cider drink. I love it with honey in. Most mornings I must have a cup.

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Post by electronegative » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:02 am

I'm not pulling anything up for apple cider, but maybe I'm just bad at searching! Lots of positive feedback on apple cider VINEGAR though.

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:59 pm

Post the question on Melikas thread about food, she will probably know.
I have heard of using Apple cider vinegar in water for parrots also, don't do it myself though.

In case anyone is interested, I started introducing Sapphire to the aviator harness. She slips her head through the loop. We do need to work on lifting wings before it will go on any further. I think Dave and Nila demonstrating helped.
I am also teaching her that if she stays on the perch while I am getting treats out of the container (instead of diving in head first) she will get more treats. It seems to be working, when Dave got some treats out for Nila, sapphire flew to the perch and stayed!
She also doesn't mind being grabbed and picked up, as long as she can grip something with her feet. She's so pushy that it is almost a natural response to grab her or push her, and she doesn't react to it at all, she just pushes back. :lol:

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Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:59 pm

InTheAir wrote:I think Dave and Nila demonstrating helped
I'm picturing Dave trying to get into the aviator harness to show Sapphire how it's done! :)

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Re: Sapphires progress

Post by Redzone » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:17 pm

Seeing as Claire is so good at making costumes etc, maybe she should make me a full sized one & some wings so I can model behaviour better?

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OMG!!! stop lol. I'm dying here :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:30 pm

:lol: I'll have to make a really big harness too! Dave has trouble getting his head through the loop in the extra small one!

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Post by MissK » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:54 pm

You may run into trouble when it comes time to model the take-off. Has Claire got any friends with a canon?
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:17 pm

I've got a friend with a flying trapeze rig. .. Would that be close enough?

We kidnapped Janey and Charlie again. Nila couldn't be happier! I did offer to swap Charlie for Sapphire, but Ellie declined on the grounds that one temperamental female bird is enough. Nila was very disappointed.
Dave is trying to teach him to say "my girlfriend is a b..ch".
When she saw Janey she decided to put her angel face on and keep her nose clean.

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Post by MissK » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:24 am

Guess those play dates will have to be a regular thing. If you put out some human treats and Ellie and Mr. Ellie bring a bottle of wine, could be even better. :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:28 pm

:lol:
Human treats are a bit problematic with so many birds, if you aren't watching them very carefully, at least 3 birds appear on the table. Probably would be 4 when the Ellies are here, as Janey has almost plucked up the courage to come near us without them. Sapphire is the funniest, she doesn't like any processed human food, she just wants to be involved and in the middle of the plate!
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Post by Little Buttercup » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:09 pm

electronegative wrote:I'm not pulling anything up for apple cider, but maybe I'm just bad at searching! Lots of positive feedback on apple cider VINEGAR though.
Electro, try googling 'Is apple cider vinegar safe for parrots'.

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Post by electronegative » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:51 pm

Little Buttercup wrote:
electronegative wrote:I'm not pulling anything up for apple cider, but maybe I'm just bad at searching! Lots of positive feedback on apple cider VINEGAR though.
Electro, try googling 'Is apple cider vinegar safe for parrots'.

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I'm not looking for whether ACV is safe, I'm looking for whether apple cider itself is safe. When I search for just "is apple cider safe for parrots" I get a bunch of stuff on the vinegar. I tried "is apple cider safe for parrots -vinegar" so it deliberately omits results with the word vinegar but even then I didn't find anything conclusive.

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:01 pm

Get your own thread guys! This is a thread about praising my awesome bird :mrgreen:
Any more post that aren't about how cool my birds are and I'll tell Nila and he'll disapprove at you :evil:
Btw alcohol is not considered safe for parrots.

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:56 pm

The little blue chicken gave me a bit of a fright today.
She was trying to do a swoop-dive manoeuvre between a play stand and a corner of the wall and made contact with the wall. I didn't see what happened exactly. She didn't stop flying, but looked a bit dazed and held her beak open when she landed.
I bundled her into her cage and she started to fall asleep straight away, on one foot with much beak grinding. Checked her eyes and she kept blinking sleepily! called the vet and was told that there's a good chance she's fine, but to call back soon if I am still concerned and they will squeeze her in.
She woke up (well really, she didn't get to sleep with Dave and I peering into her eyes and assessing her wing position), ate and is now preening.

I think she may be fine, should I take her in just to be sure?

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Post by MissK » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:35 pm

If she's not fine, what can they do for her, besides tell you she's not fine?
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:43 pm

Well. ... Good point. She's actually completely back to normal, bouncing around and all. I wonder if she had winded herself from her knock or maybe just given herself a fright.

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:36 pm

How nice, our birdies have made up a game together! They sit at opposite ends of the room, so they can't see the other and mimic each other's shrieks. Sapphire only seems to be able to master horrible screechy sounds, so doesn't answer when Nila uses human words.
Hopefully it is a step towards getting on. .. it better be worth the ear pain! :wink:

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Kind of like when I'm in the kitchen and Rocky's in the living room and we call back and forth? Sounds sweet! :twisted:
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:58 am

Sapphire is on her first family (or flockily) holiday. We look like a travelling pet shop, each of them have a travel cage for in the car and a bigger cage to stay in. Plus all the foraging toys, a smallish perch on a chair and a heap of other toys.

She did very well on the 4 hour car trip, we only let her out of her cage when we stopped for dinner. She flew around the car and was a general hazard so she spent the rest of the trip in her travel cage. Nila and I slept the rest of the way.

She seems fairly relaxed about being in a new house. She started exploring straight away. She really impressed us by going for a fly this morning and then doing a really slow lap of the house to choose an appropriate landing spot. Nila tends to race around trying to find landing spots, consequently does a few laps of a new space and a few aborted landings before finding one.

She has explored the high window ledges already and eaten some mosquitos. She tried to eat a moth, but it got away. Then she fell off the window ledge trying to get it :lol:

She also let my mum and her friend feed her grapes and sat next to mums friend at dinner.

Nila is having a great time, he quickly worked out where my mum keeps the fruit bowl! :mrgreen:

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Post by Redzone » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:03 am

Nila had so many grapes tonight I think he's gonna turn into one!

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Post by AlphaWolf » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:55 am

:lol: :lol: OMG, i can't stop laughing!
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Post by MissK » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:00 am

Sounds great!
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:16 pm

Redzone wrote:Nila had so many grapes tonight I think he's gonna turn into one!
He's already the right colour!

Well, Nila is just like me on a holiday- gets up way earlier than normal. I tried to ignore his little morning squeak that means "uncover my cage, I'm awake" and it turned into a loud morning squeak! He immediately started talking up a storm and woke up Sapphire too. They are going to be tired little monsters this afternoon!

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:29 pm

We are very proud of how well Sapphire coped with our little holiday! The drive home was fine, she spent most of it playing with a toy in her travel cage.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:34 pm

What did your birdies get for Christmas?
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Post by MissK » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:57 pm

My birdies got millet (canary), millet (canary), a bell and a ball (budgie x 4), and a rattle and a ball (Rocky). Puppy heads got kisses and extra snuggles. I got train stuff (Woooo!) and tea stuff, as well as the obligatory socks and amaryllis kit. Also some ornaments - can't have too many!
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:02 pm

Train stuff?
Our birds got Christmas presents a few weeks ago. They got a soccer set and a new pool table. I did get Nila a drum, but I forgot where I hid it so he hasn't been given it yet.
They just ate heaps of yummy food.
They do have a present from Ellie and Janey and Charlie that they will unwrap when they wake up this morning!
They gave j&c a play tree that looks abit like a pirate playground.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:44 pm

MissK loves her trains :D

I would love to see the pirate tree...I bet that looks awesome.

A drum...hmmmm...I think I would keep that hidden, there's enough noise in my house lol. I loved watching sapphire play with the soccer set. She's so cute :D
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:10 pm

As soon as Ellie gets a jolly Roger for the tree we should ask her to post some pics.

I have to get the pool table out again, she is pretty keen on it. I hid it because she tried to eat it.

Wow, we have just had a change in birdy dynamics. Nila launched himself at Sapphires back while she was playing! She flew off and he went after her eventually she settled on a curtain rail and he started approaching her with heart wings. They chased each other around for a while than Nila started regurgitating for her and she responded in kind! They interacted for about 20 minutes. They now seem to be at war, zooming around going for each other and growling, so they are having some quality time in their cages to cool down.

Maybe progress?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:33 pm

lol...sounds like juvenile hormones :D
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:54 pm

Yes, but they actually interacted without fighting! And sat next to each other without Sapphire going for Nila!

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You must be so proud! I wish I could have seen it.
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:47 pm

Unfortunately I didn't get a good video, but maybe they will get on again one day....

What kind of trains?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:28 pm

I'm sure you'll have many more times from now on that they get along. Sounds like they're finally getting used to each other :D
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We just need Nila to have more grumpy days :wink:

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Is he ever grumpy??? Seems like he's always so laid back and happy.
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Post by AlphaWolf » Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:49 pm

Lol, I really want Nila now, do you think we could swap. I could get you a camel for free. :D
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Ooooh...I want a camel :D
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:11 am

The Camel is tempting, but I'm not sure it would fit in Nilas cage. ...
Sapphire's favourite toy this week is a plush reindeer, maybe she'd like a camel as well.

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I have a stuffed camel from Chris's last deployment...wanna trade :wink:
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Post by AlphaWolf » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:19 am

I can try to get a bonsai camel :lol: If you trade with a stuffed wolf, I need to educate Aero about how epic wolves are. :D
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:46 am

Skyes_crew wrote:I have a stuffed camel from Chris's last deployment...wanna trade :wink:
For the reindeer? Sure! One of the eyes has been chewed a wee bit though.

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Post by MissK » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:05 am

Wait, I was sleeping! Is it too late for ME to get a Camel?

InTheAir~ I have mostly G scale. I wanted a full size, narrow gauge passenger service in my back yard, but space limitation was a factor..... :wink:
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Post by AlphaWolf » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:33 am

MissK-Let me think...mmm...Ok In exchange for a deer, or a fig cutting :D Which colour, black or white.
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Post by MissK » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:38 am

If I'm giving you a deer and a fig, I want one of each! Can mine be about 4 inches high, though?
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Post by AlphaWolf » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:47 am

Oh God MissK, why so fussy :roll: Ok, but you have to wait for the bonsai camel to grow up. Umm, about maybe 3 months from now. Is this a good size: http://blogs.bootsnall.com/Leaott/files ... 0camel.jpg
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Oh God MissK, why so fussy :roll:
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Missk: photos please!

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:24 pm

Sapphire is so funny! I thought I could take a nap on the living room floor today. I was just about asleep when something started tickling my knee, she proceeded to climb all over me with her scratchy little claws, tried to burrow under me and finally settled for sitting on my head to nibble my ear and hair. When she got tired she went into Nilas cage to sleep and Nila decided he wanted to hear the sound of his own voice at full volume. Lucky they are so cute or I would have strangled them both! There's nothing like some repeating "such a gooooood boy!" Over and over to really ruin a good nap! Or a little beak exploring your ear.

Oh, I forgot to mention, Sapphire chomped Daves ear really, really hard the other day while he was eating breakfast, like the way she chomps toys. He screamed and flailed around and she slid of his shoulder, but came back and tried it again. No more Daves shoulder for Sapphire! She's been really gentle with my ears though, so she still has shoulder privileges with me.

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Post by MissK » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:25 am

Maybe you should be thinking of picking out some new Sapphire earrings for that new hole that's on its way to your ear.

Poor Dave. I've only ever been nibbled on the ear, and I think that's quite bad enough. Please send him to the doctor if it gets the least bit infected. Ears act a little differently than other body parts, due to the cartilage and reduced blood flow. If he's really cursed he could lose it. :shock: So lots of antiseptic, please, and watch it carefully.

Very cute she came looking for you while you were napping, though. :P
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Don't worry, Dave's fine, it didn't break the skin at all. Ears are just sensitive to pressure.

She does the gentlest nibbles on me, it tickles like anything. She does the same to my fingers frequently, not to mention any other object she comes into contact with. Nila was a bit nibbly at that age too, he's not so much now but he still grooms fingers sometimes.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:09 am

I'd take an ear nibble over a lip nibble...that's where hamlet gets chris all the time. You'd think he would have learned by now NOT to stick his face in front of that beak :lol:

I woke up from a nap two days ago with Cyrano on my head and hamlet perched on my back. The two of em are double trouble. I didn't mean to fall asleep...and they didn't mean to chew on the TV remote :o
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:13 am

I'm with you on the lip nibbles, even the gentlest break can hurt. .. especially after it's just consumed a chilli! I usually kiss Nila on the top of his beak when he steps up, it took a few times before I broke that habit and remembered to check which bird is on my hand before I kissed the beak (and to remember when I last fed chillis). Sapphire does not like being kissed, luckily she mostly flies away, but not every time!

:lol: I'm sure chewing the remote was totally an accident!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:24 am

Chile kisses are the worst!!!

Oh I'm sure they didn't mean it at all lol...the look of innocent angels when I asked them who did it was priceless :lol:
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They thought you put that remote there for them!
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:21 am

Sapphire and I were just playing around and I taught her a trick! She gives a high five now! Well she more holds onto my finger with her foot, but it's a good start. She learnt turn around last week and she's got it down quite well.

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Awwww...high five back sapphire :D
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I think hold-my-finger is cute enough! :)
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MissK wrote:I think hold-my-finger is cute enough! :)
Definitely! And it will help with nail trimming.
I didn't think Sapphire was super bright, but she picked it up really quickly. Sunflower sprouts are very motivating!

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Post by Redzone » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:41 pm

We went to a pet store yesterday, they had a pair of Alexandrines there, Sapphire has the same size feet! I knew they were oversize! Lol

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Oh that poor thing...maybe she'll grow into them :wink:
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Skyes_crew wrote:Oh that poor thing...maybe she'll grow into them :wink:
Hahaha I kind of hope she doesn't, she'll be a giant!
Missk, we promise not to tell her.

Since I am working evenings over summer and we have been going to bqqs and parties after, we have been out at birdy bedtime. Nilas cage is the right shape to have darkness in the sleep area by covering that part, and he goes in there when he's tired but Sapphires little box of a cage is not suitable for that. We got home at midnight the other night and found Sapphire munching away at her veggies in the tiny little patch that was left uncovered!
We just bought timers and another lamp so we can leave them uncovered and still retain their normal schedule. We like the 8pm bedtime, it gives Dave and Nila a couple hours together after work, as neither of them seem capable of getting up any earlier in the mornings!

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Wow, you got timers!
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:23 pm

I hope Dave can work out how to set them. We have 2 lamps ready to go, the brighter one will be set to switch off first. We are thinking a 15 minute gap to allow them to settle in. We usually switch off lights in a pattern and then add covers with the last light still on.
What do you think of 15 minutes?

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If it isn't enough to start, they will surely get used to it.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:43 pm

They won't have much choice since we won't be home anyway :mrgreen: but the lamps make their room kind of like dusk anyway, the whole room is pretty gloomy at the best of times.

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Post by InTheAir » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:47 pm

Well the timers must have been successful, both birds were on their sleeping perches sound asleep until we got home and made too much noise!

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:31 am

Since we have been using the lamps on timers to get the birds to bed when we are out, Nila has been sleeping in until around 9am :shock: either he is sleeping in because it's holidays or he is not sleeping so well until after we get home and cover his cage. Sapphire is really quiet in the mornings, so I just uncover her when Nila gets up. She has been a bit bleary eyed in the mornings too.... We have been covering their cages in the dark as soon as we get home, they wake up a little but don't bother to move when we come in.

The birds are in the dining room, we can't move them to another room as downstairs is open plan (the cages are also on the only patch of tiled floor) and upstairs is stinking hot!
Any suggestions on how we can ensure they are getting enough sleep?

Btw I think Sapphire was trying to hang out with Nila today, she was following him around with a toy in her mouth. Nila wasn't prepared to hang around and find out if she was going to be nice though, so she gave up after a few minutes.

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:14 am

I'm not sure anyone is still following this thread, but I wanted to share some more progress.
Sapphire answered me with Nilas contact call today! She's been using it a lot lately. She has copied quite a few Nila noises and he can mimic her perfectly, so it is getting hard totell which noise came from what bird!
I'm a bit surprised that she hasn't started repeating Nilas human words yet, as Nila seems to talk almost nonstop all day! He talks heaps more than he contact calls.

And the other thing I realised is that: If we got a dashund we'd almost have a halfway decent stereo; 2 tweeters and a sub-woofer :mrgreen:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:19 am

OMG...really Claire??? :lol:

I kind of remember when hamlet started talking...well not really because I thought it was Skye doing all the talking. Turns out hamlet had learned to mimic her words perfectly. So keep a look out for who's saying what. It could be sapphire one of these days. :D
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Dave left his Facebook logged in on my computer, I think I might have to make that today's status update...

That's really cool, Mel!
It would be pretty cute if Sapphire learns to talk from his birdiness. I hadn't really considered whether she'd be much of a talker. She seems on par with Nila at that age, maybe she will.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:42 am

InTheAir wrote: The birds are in the dining room, we can't move them to another room as downstairs is open plan (the cages are also on the only patch of tiled floor) and upstairs is stinking hot!
Any suggestions on how we can ensure they are getting enough sleep?
Do they nap during the day? I remember Pamela Clarke saying she didn't think guaranteeing enough sleep time was a huge deal because they will sleep during the day if they need it.
InTheAir wrote:Btw I think Sapphire was trying to hang out with Nila today, she was following him around with a toy in her mouth. Nila wasn't prepared to hang around and find out if she was going to be nice though, so she gave up after a few minutes.
Cute!

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Post by MissK » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:21 am

I'm following!

Maybe you could consider getting more sleep, yourselves?

Rocky sleeps pretty late sometimes, generally after I've had him up half the night. Cheeky bastard came out of his cage today when I opened it to give him a treat. Dogs were standing by with a lot of interest. Good thing we've practiced that "go back home for this bribe" thing.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:37 pm

Ellie, yes they take naps.. But they haven't been as often as usual, come to think of it. Nila hasn't been having his usual evening nap before bed (or at least not in the days we are home). I think you have figured it out!
Btw, Nila would love to have a play date with Charlie when you guys come home. He was making Charlie noises yesterday. I'm sure Sapphire would love to have another lesson in manners from Janey too :wink:
She is actually way more trouble than Nila and your guys put together! She is a super confident explorer, who makes herself at home in a new room immediately and attempts to eat all furnishings within minutes! Your guys are little angels as house guests compared to her!

Missk, :lol: I do go to bed early!
We don't hang out in the birds room after they go to bed much. We have another living room for evening entertainment.

Sapphire does that trick too! She squeezes out the little doors for the food cups even while your hand is in the way. Then she realises that she's on the wrong side and can't get the yummy food :lol:

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:lol: I guess she won't make a habit of that, then! This Rocky coming out when I open the door - this is the consequence of putting the big cages together. He can't use his special next box door anymore and he's been using the main door. So, now he thinks he can just come on out anytime, since that's how we've been doing it. I just open it and walk away and in 5 seconds he's out.

Can't miss an opportunity to brag on him a little - today when I chucked a collard leaf in his cage he just ran over and started chowing down. Bless his little beak! I had to put four leaf pieces in the Budgie cage because otherwise Riff Raff wouldn't let anybody else have any.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:26 pm

Sapphire is happy to charge out the small doors, but when I open the big one she almost always gestures for a hand to give her a lift out. It's pretty cute, she stretches her beak towards me and stares at the hand then looks down to her feet and repeats until hand is in the correct place. She will climb out if I just open the door and walk off, but prefers a ride.

Aww riff raff! Budgies are even cuter when they don't share :lol: you're birds are so good to eat their greens. My guys have gone off Kale and leafy stuff lately.
Daves mum found a picture of a budgie that Dave drew when he was little. I'll try to remember to upload it later.

I decided to teach Sapphire that target thing properly today. I did it a little differently than the usual recommended method, since she's already tame and vaguely targets towards a tapping finger. I just rewarded her for walking up quite close, after a few tries she started touching my finger with the top of her beak. At least with this method we avoided her usual tendency to eat everything (like target sticks).
She's really cute and enthusiastic! I love the way she gallops and hops across the table to touch the finger!

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I would like to see video of this table galloping.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:55 pm

MissK wrote:I would like to see video of this table galloping.
I'll have a go at videoing it for you.
Btw, I got distracted and forgot to mention that Sapphire ate a very nice Christmas card we received yesterday! She thought it was lovely, and so did we. Thanks!
She only ate it a little bit though, so I hid it in another room.

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Post by InTheAir » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:06 am

Missk: tonight Sapphire was more in a road runner kind of mood. There is a a tiny bit of her gallop at 1m 33s. http://youtu.be/xoAl84sNWeg
Innit she just the cutest little ADHD monster ever?! She is moulting at the moment, please excuse how manky she looks.

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So entertaining - and you have the best collection of music, too!
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I love seeing a bird fly....but there is just something so cute about watching them run around :D
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Skyes_crew wrote:I love seeing a bird fly....but there is just something so cute about watching them run around :D
Totally! I love it when they pounce on stuff too.

Missk, that song is from a most interesting movie called Black Cat, White Cat.

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:27 am

My bird is a nutter! Nila had another go at wooing her today and she was crouching and clucking at him.
I'm glad they get along in some way. ... But, come on children, you're too young for those games!
I have to admit that I am mildly fed up with her at the moment. I wasn't that fussed about having a tame second bird, I wanted a friend for Nila. She's so demanding! She just wants to be the centre of attention. Nila can't even sit on me for a few minutes before she is in my face. If I talk to Nila, she zooms over to chase him off. The only way I can interact with Nila is by locking her in a cage.
I have a feeling she only mimics him to get my attention, as Nila gets replies to contact calls when he uses them. She seems to have completely eliminated her noises in favour of Nilas now.
Absolute win in positive reinforcement for bird taming, total fail in achieving my goal of 2 happy ringnecks that play together and amuse each other! Bird tv is stuck on a really boring channel at our house. .. Anyone got a birds bird they want to swap for an annoyingly tame one?
On saying that, if I am not playing with Nila, she plays by herself well and amuses herself. She loves having girl time with me, we mostly roll balls around the pool table and I admire the way she attacks the toy raindeer, while the boys are off playing with cars. She's pretty cute when she isn't trying to beat up Nila.

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Post by InTheAir » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:54 am

My bird actually did something cute today! It might have been overactive mummy imagination, but she sounded like she said good girl! I was praising her repeatedly when she stopped fighting with Nila over the shower and she made a noise that was close to the one I was saying.
I'll be very surprised if that's her first word, Dave and I were sure it would be not so nice or socially acceptable. :wink:

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Hey, that's nice! Sure, she said Good Girl. Why not? You were probably quite sincere when you said it, maybe relieved, probably gave it that extra something special they like so much. And it's my understanding that words frequently start a little unclear. Keep telling her, of course, only if she really *IS* good! She'll be good. I have faith in her.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:32 am

She is a good girl :D and that's awesome that she's vocalizing words already. It sounds so cute when they self praise...even if they're being naughty. :wink:
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:39 am

She does get told she is a good girl a lot. I praise the birds when they are playing nicely by themselves or doing anything I appreciate. I guess that's why Nila is always saying "such a good boy!" it is always being repeated, because he is!
I'm surprised she's trying to repeat my words, all the other noises she makes are Nila ones. I guess she doesn't want to call herself a good boy.

Just for the record, I usually sound sincere when I tell her she's a b**** too :lol:

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Good thing my bird says "perfect" and he almost never hears a naughty word.......... Almost.......
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Post by InTheAir » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:48 am

Mine hear naughty words all the time, usually not directed at them (well not at Nila anyway)!

Sapphire chased Nila off his dinner, so he went to eat hers in her cage and got busted by her. She had him cornered and was biting at him, luckily not actually hurting him but threatening. I grabbed her and bodily removed her before grabbing Nila (who is trained to accept being grabbed) and checking him. She growled at me when I relocated her, but forgave me immediately and jumped onto my hand.

It kind of worries me that Sapphire seems to like playing angry games, beak wrestling with my hand or wrestling a toy off me while growling away. She mouths very gently when we interact this way, it's not something I feel I should encourage so I don't play like that often (we never have played like this with Nila as he doesn't show aggression unless we piss him off a lot).

Do you think I should humour her more aggressive side or just not interact with her when she is acting this way? I'm undecided whether encouraging her to vent with me is healthy or not. Nila does go beat up a toy once in a blue moon and I'd never interfere with that, it's different with her as she likes me to be involved in those games. I certainly don't want to encourage her to be more of a psycho than she already is! Should I distract aggressive play and try to eliminate it when it is involving me? It's dead easy to distract her into a non aggressive mood, I do it most of the time...

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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:14 am

I don't think having an aggressive side is all that bad. As long as she's not ripping your hand apart lol. Cyrano has a bit if an an aggressive side sometimes, usually when I go near his food dishes. He doesn't bite, but he growls to tell me he doesn't like it and he will beak my hand. So I made a little knotted rope to play tug of war with him. I don't know if all birds do this or if it's because he watches my dogs do it, but he will take one end and pull and shake his head a little. Is that considered supporting a bad habit :D
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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:40 pm

Do you think I should humour her more aggressive side or just not interact with her when she is acting this way?
My avian vet tells us to play with Janey by waving a tissue over her head. I think the idea was to get her used to the idea of having something covering her head, I can't exactly remember why he said it now. I don't do it because she gets really agitated and angry and lashes out at the tissue and possibly my hand. When I mentioned that last time, he said that's okay and I should do it any way. Maybe he thinks I'm letting her train me too much?

So maybe our vet thinks it's okay to engage in rough play with them? I guess if if gets it out of their system then it's better it happen in a playful setting? I really don't know, jugs thought I'd put these ideas out there. I hope it makes sense.

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:19 pm

Thanks, I guess I'll keep playing that way unless it seems to be having a detrimental effect on her behaviour towards me.

Sapphire says:
Today I discovered a new thing to eat!
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It doesn't break very easily though
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So I ate the tea-towel instead!

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I love your bird towel!!!!
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I thought about writing ringneck on it below her foot :wink:

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Post by MissK » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:03 pm

Cute photos.

Regarding aggressive play, is it something you can direct? I'm thinking across species again. All the wisdom when I started keeping dogs said do not play aggressive games, no tug of war, no teasing, don't take their food. However, we do all of those things, and I'm sure a good many dog keepers do, with no problems at all. In fact, I almost never see them happier than during a game of "I've got your bone - here it is, now it's over here, now it's over there, catch it, catch it", with never a hint of human directed aggression or insurrection.

I cannot, myself, think of a way to incorporate IRN aggressiveness into play, and I never want to encourage a thing like that in Rocky. He is not really an aggressively minded bird. He plays nice, and when he isn't playing nice, he isn't kidding. No longer playing and not amused, kind of like his Mama, However, if you can think outside this box, and you want to support Sapphire's personality, perhaps you can explore it. You are a very clever and intuitive trainer. I'd love to hear how it goes.
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:30 pm

I'll try to video her next time she is in that kind of mood, you guys can give me your opinion on what is going on. She will growl and pounce on the toy I'm offering. If you drag the toy along a flat surface she will chase it and wrestle it off you, while growling away.
She was going mental and growling at her big toy this morning. She wanted to play training games with me after that and tunnel in my hand, all signs of her previous mood was gone.
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:46 pm

Sorry to butt in on your thread but l wanted to point out that you can buy 20 camels in a packet in some shops

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Post by MissK » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:40 pm

I don't want *those* Camels, but I would like to congratulate InTheAir on four pages here........ Some of them are even about her bird! :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:12 pm

Thanks missk! I probably could have filled up the lot by myself!

Today's adventure in losing my birds was Sapphire got locked in the pantry for about 15 minutes. I only noticed when Nila had been calling Hello into her favourite toy for ages and she hadn't come over to chase him away. It took Dave and I a few minutes to even consider looking in the pantry. She was very quiet and had a "I've just been busted" look on her face. She probably thought she was in heaven!

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Post by MissK » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:45 am

Uh-huh. What is the state of the biscuits?!!!

Once upon a time I accidentally shut my tiny dog in between the storm door and the front door. A few minutes later I heard muffled barking. I'm going to blame that one on his hairy little butt, for trying to run outside alone.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:42 am

I think the one busted is you Claire...they've found your secret stash of biscuits :lol: it was a covert operation...Nila sent the innocent one in :mrgreen:

Here's a semi-off topic...whatever happened to the food contest???
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:50 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:I think the one busted is you Claire...they've found your secret stash of biscuits :lol: it was a covert operation...Nila sent the innocent one in :mrgreen:

Here's a semi-off topic...whatever happened to the food contest???
Hahahaha that's so true! Lucky the biscuits are in a bird proof container!

Ummm the cooking thing. .. opps! Nila stopped being a fussy little bugger so my motivation went away. I have almost run out of cooked food for them so I will try to find some motivation soon. That painting looks great in our house though :mrgreen:

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:20 am

Sapphire and Nila went to visit Janey and Charlie today. Sapphire ignored all the other birds and played in charlie's toy basket the whole time. Nila followed Charlie around, Charlie tried to escape from Nila and Janey was not impressed with anyone.
Sapphire stepped up on Ellie and Mr Ellie to eat treats and was very good!
Nila really likes Mr Ellie, he was not happy that Mr Ellie wanted to go in another room and do some work. Mr Ellie was meant to stay where he was and give Nila biscuits. Nila told me he could train Mr Ellie if he had a bit more time to work on him. :mrgreen:

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:09 pm

Here's a video of her playing rough. She initiates it by pushing under my fingers and nibbling. She doesn't hurt me and she doesn't bite down at all. She did run off and bite the laptop quite hard though.
What do you think?
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Post by MissK » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:24 pm

Well, I don't know anything, but it just looks like play to me. Parts of it reminded me of beak wrestling. When you hold the little object, what is that, some wood? It looked clearly to me like her using the toy you offered. I didn't see any warning signs, except possibly where she put her foot on you and it looked like she might be getting leverage for a stronger beaking. I thought it was nice, very interactive. Who doesn't love it when their pet stuffs it's head in their hand?
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:45 pm

It's definitely all in fun, but I am not used to that kind of play!
She climbs on my fingers and growls as she beaks them. She was growling on that video but the sound didn't come out properly.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:20 pm

Janey has always liked to go in and under things too.

I agree that she's just playing and I'm guessing that how you respond to the bites in play will dictate to her how she chooses to use them in the future? That may be where I went wrong with Janey? This could be where the wisdom of the adage of not reacting to a bit comes from?

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Post by InTheAir » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:18 pm

Hmm. .. I'm not sold on not reacting to a bite, I don't think a huge reaction is a good idea either. I just can't see how not withdrawing ones hand serves any useful purpose in the parrots social structure?
Sapphire was nibbling Nilas toe the other day and when she nibbled a bit harder he squarked and flew away. Sapphire did the same when Janey bit her tail (that was an aggressive bite though). I haven't noticed an increase of aggression in either instance.

I have quietly told her when it hurts and removed my hand. She hasn't beaked me hard in months. Her attention span is pretty short, so she just starts playing with something else and forgets about me immediately. :lol: She hasn't chased after the hand in those few instances.

I'd like to know the "right" way of reacting. Have you ever talked to the vet about biting?

What did you do with Janey when she was a young, beaky thing?

I read a nice broken finger story on another forum, the result of not reacting to a macaw bite :shock: That's not something I'd emulate, even with a tiny ringneck beak!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:40 pm

For me...there are times I react and others I don't. But I always use the word no. Hamlet likes to preen my eyebrows...he's weird...I know lol. But sometimes he gets nippy. I touch the top of his beak and say no. Cyrano when he gets sleepy gets touchy...he beaks me...sometimes it hurts. But if I tell him no, he stops. But I've also had a wild ringneck bite my finger...if I don't react or react, the bite is still the same...it HURTS!!! My friend lori has a B&G macaw that got too nippy with her and grabbed her nose. He sliced the tip of her nose clear open. How do you not react to that!!! Is it possible that by not reacting it enforces the biting somehow? Like it's giving permission for the bird to behave that way?? But then again by reacting is it eliciting a response that the bird wants and so reinforces the behavior that way? Or is it possible that each bird is a case by case scenario in which if we can read our birds body language we can tell which way to lean?
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Post by ellieelectrons » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:10 am

InTheAir wrote:Hmm. .. I'm not sold on not reacting to a bite,
No, I'm not either. However, I'm not sure what the "right" way to deal with it is. My current thinking is that it depends on the cause of/the event leading up to the biting, which is why I liked this article of Barbara's http://goodbirdinc.blogspot.com.au/2012 ... -bite.html.

Sometimes not reacting (if you can) may be the way to go. I'm inclined to think that might be the way to go with exploratory biting in young birds unless it gets too hard.

However I believe biting caused by say nesting behaviours (for example, in my house opening drawers or cupboards during nesting season can cause Janey to fly at me and bite me) is best avoided by either (1) the human avoiding the behaviour that produces the reaction or (2) proactively using positive reinforcement train to help the bird accept the human behaviour. (2) is a long term strategy and it may work, but I don't know if it would when strong birdy hormones are at play.
InTheAir wrote:What did you do with Janey when she was a young, beaky thing?
I can't really remember. What I do know is that I didn't know a lot about birds back then. I was extremely bite averse, even to a little bite. I'd never had a puppy to understand the concept of an animal "mouthing"... so I probably did it all wrong <sigh>. The types of bites I remember Janey issuing back then though were always quite sudden, I didn't expect them, so I didn't necessarily react well. I remember sitting on the verandah on the couch with her on my lap. I was really relaxed, she'd been sitting there happily for quite a while. I hadn't moved a muscle in the longest time and all of a sudden she decided to run at my hand and bite my finger. I guess she was bored but it really took me by surprise.

Sorry I can't remember more.

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Post by InTheAir » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:51 am

That article was what sold Barbara whatshernames training style to me. I think it's great.
It's interesting. Both our birds will bite if provoked, but they give heaps of other warnings and don't actually bite hard, just warnings. They have never bitten out of the blue.
I still haven't worked out if it's due to luck or how we handle them.
I was just reading up about training and behaviour for my course, but it's all centred around dogs :( still, some of the training things still apply.

Btw check out sapphs nest box
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18673 :mrgreen: I think counter conditioning is well worth trying with Janey. I should probably get a head start and stay making positive associations with me approaching sapphires pretend nest sites too.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:19 am

That's a cute nest site!

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Post by InTheAir » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:39 am

For some reason I didn't see Melissas post! Sorry! I do think you have some very relevant points there! Yes, the whole demeanor of the bird should influence your handling of the situation. Beaking hard, but in a non aggressive manner does appear to be self rewarding. Doodlebugs recent thread highlights that well, ignoring that kind of beaking would not change the behaviour. Sapphires breeder has a whole flight of birds that beak like that and letting them chew an arm to shreds doesn't alter their interest in beaking. They need to learn a more appropriate way to interact. Mine gave up beaking hard after trying it a couple times, so I haven't had an issue with that. Sapphire does pounce on my finger when we play sometimes, but she is so gentle with her beak when she grabs me so it's a non issue.

Obviously, if I have pushed into the birds space I could expect aggression. I don't often get it because of the other training strategies I employ anyway. In the case of receiving aggression for invading personal space without permission, I have found backing off and asking permission has been effective. If I get their attention first they are usually happy to do whatever I suggest.
They haven't ever nipped me in a warning of external factors, they vocalise instead and fly off. Maybe because they are young and not bonded to me...

From what I've seen of interactions between ringnecks, biting at another bird results in a bluffing war or the victim retreating. I haven't seen one sit there ignoring it.
Sapphire and Nila have started the bluffing war over the shower, Sapphire always wins, apart from one when she fell off the screen :lol:
Janey has won every bluffing war over Sapphire. Charlie has never stood up to Nila. Nila never stands up to Janey. Charlie mostly bosses Janey.. I don't quite understand what is going on there, but Janey and Sapphire are never having a play date when they are in breeding mode! The only wars I've seen have been Nila and Sapphire or Janey and Sapphire. The other interactions result in instant flight from the non aggressive party. ..

There must be a lesson on how to handle aggression in all that?

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Post by MissK » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:28 pm

Was doing some Googling, fund mention of a Budgie playing semi aggressive hand games. It's low on the page.
https://companionparrotonline.com/Bird_ ... uesti.html
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:08 pm

MissK wrote:Was doing some Googling, fund mention of a Budgie playing semi aggressive hand games. It's low on the page.
https://companionparrotonline.com/Bird_ ... uesti.html
You and your budgies! :lol:
I'd like to see budgie wrestling though. How cute would that be?!

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Post by MissK » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 pm

Probably almost as cute as watching Rocky try to tongue-kiss Riff Raff. I honestly could not really interpret their actions today.
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:53 am

MissK wrote:Probably almost as cute as watching Rocky try to tongue-kiss Riff Raff. I honestly could not really interpret their actions today.
That sounds adorable! But a little wrong. ..

Just incase anyone thought I was an exceptional trick trainer, I can confirm that it is just that Nila is a genius! I have had a few sessions of teaching Sapphire to pick up the ring and put it in the bucket. She is vaguely starting to understand the game now. I think it took Nila less than 5 minutes to learn.
To tell the truth, I'm not sure I have coupled the the bridge with the reward properly for Sapphire. I am making an effort to tighten that up now and we seem to have made progress. She still looks slightly mystified on why she keeps getting treats for dropping the ring, she thought I wanted her to throw it for a while and was flinging it across the table! Sometimes it would land in the dish, so I ended up reinforcing the throw occasionally and no connection to the object and dish was made :lol:
It's still amusing, even when we are failing completely though.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:14 am

You won't know if you're a super coach or not until you've done a few tricks with her. You've got to get the communication going. The more she learns, the easier you'll find it to communicate. I have a feeling you're still a super coach!

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:24 am

Hahaha she does a few tricks, she just doesn't have the same way of thinking as Nila. It's the same with foraging, she bashes the toys until something comes out, he considers them and solves them in his head before he acts. Nila has an extra big brain in his tiny little head :wink:

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Post by InTheAir » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:40 am

She's got it! http://youtu.be/aPmh-vdAPLc
My bird makes me laugh so much :lol:

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Post by MissK » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:43 am

She's doing great! Will she learn blue, too?
(I bet she will!)
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Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:58 am

Well done Claire. Was this before mine arrived?

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Post by InTheAir » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:54 am

Ellie, Yep. You're right about basketball being dead easy. Sapphire can do it now. I videoed the whole thing 14 minutes over 3 sessions, with Nila "helping". That includes the 5 minutes of nothing when I walked off to get treats and Sapphire eating the hoop, Nila flying away with the ball when sapphire chased him etc. I think it was more like 5 minutes over 3 sessions, if I cut out the distractions.

I tried to convince Janey to come play with the teach box, but my guys were swarming like flies. Sapphire perched on it and was pulling the counters out as Nila dropped them in. Janey took one look at them and pretended she was busy napping!

Nila and Sapphire are starting to work as a team to break into Janey and Charlies treat container and to clean the kitchen bench. Nila also is grooming her head when they are courting. ..

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Post by ellieelectrons » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:19 am

Just to clarify for everyone else, I said basketball isn't hard to teach once the bird has the concept of the retrieve down. It is difficult before that point. Although I'm sure it took both my guys longer than 15 mins despite already being able to retrieve. ;) I think it's time you take the mantle of super trainer Claire. Well done.

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Post by InTheAir » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:00 am

Thanks for correcting that, Ellie. Though I still think training success says more about ringneck intellect than trainer prowess. And she doesn't like to be outdone by Nila. :wink:

Sapphire has been going to work with Dave and Nila this week. We have a big note on her cage saying that she is shy, so please admire her from a distance. We considered making a sign for Nilas cage "I'm not shy, talk to me!" but he seems to do well enough at luring people over on his own.
She's fine with all the workshop noises and stuff, but stops playing with her toys and looks a bit worried when customers walk too close. We have been giving her a sunflower seed whenever strangers are nearby.
Nila was more jumpy than her today as there was a big truck driving up and down the road. He's fine with petrol cars revving like blazes, but is still petrified of loud diesels! Luckily Sapphire couldn't work out why he was dithering around and stayed calm. He forgot he was worried when I gave him some a passion fruit :) Bribery overcomes all fears!

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Post by Doodlebug » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:29 am

Excellent work with Sapphire, She picks up things nice and quick :)

On the subject of beaking/aggressive play, I watched the video and I agree with MissK, she looks as though she is playing for the most part, but could easily spill over into the excitement overload thing and start becoming harder and more daring. I have been training Dudes to drop a pine cone in the pot now instead of the ball, he got way too aggressive with it and would fling and lunge and chase instead of focusing on what was really being asked of him so I got a bunch of small pine cones which don't roll away so quickly lol and keeps his attention on the trick. Although he is quite slow at picking things up, he loves training, and will fly to the table and go straight to the edge and try craning his cocky little head to see underneath where I keep all the stuff. Its so comical to watch him crane, then look at me, then crane, as if to say 'Hurry up woman, I'm ready!'
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:31 pm

Hey Loo. Nice to see yoo. How's dudes going?
I just pretend Sapphire is a miniture macaw, she doesn't seem fully irn! When she's playing with a foot toy she likes to hold my hand with one foot too, usually my writing hand so I'm immobilised and have to pay attention to her.

Now that she's got the hang of doing tricks, she does seem quite bright. It's really hard to train birds now, as both want to be involved and Sapphire doesn't share props. If I put one in it's cage, it will distract me by bouncing up and down or looking sorry for itself!

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Post by Doodlebug » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:01 am

Hi Claire, Dudes is doing good thanks, everything seems to take painfully slow but I guess that's the nature of some of our little beasts. I do get disheartened at times but always aware to go at his pace, he just is still going for my hands and fingers so it can be difficult to train at times but I just say no and pull my hand away-whether that's bad or good or not is another matter.

Sounds like you have a pair of toddlers there! I bet you feel like putting one or both on the naughty perch sometimes :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:21 am

Have you had any improvements? Did you implement any of the strategies, like rewarding and removing him quickly before he gets interested in eating flesh?
It's kind of funny that I didn't particularly want an over friendly bird and Sapphire has turned out quite more hands on than I intended, whereas you got the opposite! I really wanted a friend for Nila.
They are more like teenagers at the moment! They keep courting and Nila has not got the moves down. He keeps reading the signals wrong! She got bored and tucked her head under her wing to nap today and Nila came over and tried to French kiss her while her beak was under her wing. It went down slightly better than I expected. She only growled at him :lol:

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