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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:28 am

Hi all,

As some of you already know, I got a avairy raised 12 week old hen last week. She is called Squidgette.
I settled on a parent raised bird for a variety of reasons. I think there are social benefits to the bird to be raised by it's parents, some of which are not fully understood yet.
For myself, my main interest is to learn more about taming and working with birds. I am interested in training without the use of force and letting the bird take the initiative. Unfortunately I live in a house and my boyfriend won't me keep her cage free, so it's not the ideal circumstances, but it is the best I can manage.
We already have a hand raised, super tame cock called Nila, so Squidgette is quarantined in a room upstairs that Nila has never hung out in much.

When we picked Squidgette up she was caught with a net to be transferred to our travel cage. We released her into her cage at home by opening both doors and letting her hop in when she was ready.
I am still refining my techniques as I assess how they are being accepted. In a week we have progressed from fluttering wildly or hanging back on the perch to her approaching me to take treats from my finger.
The main approach I have been sticking with is to tell her I am walking along the hallway prior to entering the room, asking if I can enter, when she gets herself settled onto a perch I will slowly enter with a treat for her, keep my gaze fixed on the dish I am planning to drop the treat into and slowly approach the dish and drop the treat in and remove my hand. If her body language is calm I slowly leave the room and tell her she is good. The first treat she took from my finger was a little bit of apple as I was dropping it to her dish. She snatched it and retreated to the back of the cage. Later in the afternoon she was snatching mandarin from me. Today she has started taking treats gently. I remove my finger as soon as she has retreated to where she feels comfortable. I avert my eyes from her while offering treats and trust that she won't take any finger.
I have spent short periods of time hanging out in her room, while I eat (after offering her some more fresh food) or putting a toy together for her. And I did take a nap on the couch in her room for about an hour, as far as I could tell she was napping too.

Major errors I have made so far: minimal decorations in her cage, as Nila was really scared of toys in his cage I assumed she would be too. I have had to add them while she is in the cage, which freaked her out a little. Giving her lots of warning so she could get to a comfortable perch before I opened a door did help though. She approaches new objects within minutes, we had to train Nila to do that.
I tried holding a treat out for her too early, instead of dropping it in the dish and she was not impressed, but got over it when I stepped back and left her treats.
I wonder if I should have left her with the breeder another week as she doesn't seem to eat sunflower seeds. I cracked some and put them in her seed dish and they were still ignored.
She also made a game (if it repeats several times in the space of a few minutes, I accept it as intentional) of dumping the coup cup of water onto the floor, resulting in me changing the paper on the floor of her cage, which elicited scared body laguage from her, but not a huge reaction. She now has a plastic door type water dish!
I also added a bathing dish to the floor, but that didn't phase her at all.

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Post by MissK » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:47 am

Thanks for making this record. I have a idea that it is better to let the parents raise the babies, and I look forward to how everything unfolds with Squidgette!
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:31 pm

As you know hamlet was a parent raised, so I'm most curious to see how squidgette progresses. Out of this years chicks, I'm keeping back one parent raised as a pet so I will be following your diary closely. Looking forward to future posts :D
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Post by Donovan » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:32 pm

I don't pay much attention to my bird being scared of a new toy. I just let him be scared of it and it's usually a matter of minutes before he gets brave enough to test drive it. Though, that bravery probably comes from experience. A younger bird may take longer but either way I wouldn't concern myself with the bird being scared of a new toy.. Just put it in there and she'll get used to it.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:20 pm

I personally think you're doing great! Introducing a new toy slowly to a young bird is a good way to help them build solid trust with you that you wouldn't do anything to harm them. :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:27 pm

Opps, I thought I had saved this post as a draft not published it! I didn't get time to finish and proof read it before we went out.

The other thing I have noticed, which I was slow to pick up on, is she feels safer in her travel cage when it is placed on the floor. Nila goes mental at that and must be placed on a table.


Donovan: placing something in her cage that scares her is not compatible with the approach I am taking. That is known as flooding. I am trying to build a relationship with squidgette by offering things she likes, not forcing things on her until she gives up trying to escape.
If she tries to flee from an object I am approaching her with, I step back and leave it in her sight but far enough away that she is no longer worried by it and gradually move it closer as she realises it is not a threat. We also took a similar approach to that with Nila and he now flies over to investigate new toys as soon as he sees them.

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Post by InTheAir » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:43 am

Here's a video of the first time she grabbed some apple almost from my hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZZTtxNKAoE
Constructive criticism is always appreciated, as long as it follows positive reinforcement principals! I am interested in improving myself, not in changing tactics and forcing her to accept me.

I had a funny little incident with her today. I decided to add some more perches and balsa wood to her favourite side of the cage, I dropped some apple in the furthest dish from there but she wouldn't move. She moved a few steps a long when I opened the door and started putting the perch in, when I had maneuver the perch through the small door she climbed on to it and got comfy! I pleaded with her to move to no avail and had to wait about 5 minutes before she stepped off it and I could fit it. :lol:
She hung out in the middle of her cage after that, within a few inches of my hands. I do hope her confidence in me is improving!

*update* After she dropped a piece of fruit I had offered on my finger she had a very gentle nibble on my finger to explore it. I also opened a door and held a treat just inside it and she came over to take it and ate it next to my finger!
I wanted to let her out for a fly before bed, but I am not convinced she is regarding the cage as her space yet. I ran the idea past my boyfriend and he was not convinced either, he started asking where we could borrow a net from if she decided to stay out so I left it. I'm so frustrated by confining her for so long!
Tomorrows goals are to get the boyfriend to give her treats so they form a relationship too and take a picture of her. It's really interesting how she holds herself when I am around now, compared to the pictures Dave posted when we got her.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:59 am

Claire she is responding brilliantly!!! I think if your hand had been just a second longer there she would have taken it direct...not that it matters now. :D she's going to be a quick learner. But I do agree that it was a good decision not to turn her loose just yet. She needs this time during quarantine to learn that she is no longer a parent raised bird free to come and go as she pleases. And it is my gut feeling her trust would have been hurt by having to be caught up by a net again by the person she is beginning to trust as the treat giver. You are doing a fabulous job. That baby girl couldn't have landed in a better home. She looks relaxed and happy. Keep up the great work :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:53 pm

Thanks. You are right about the net, the only time I'd be prepared to net her is if it's an emergency, though I would use a towel if I could.
As frustrating as it is having her caged for a couple weeks, it's still better than getting into a situation where I have to use force or scare her back into her cage.
I'll tell her about all the poor little clipped birds that live in little cages forever, not just for a couple weeks, if she starts complaining.
The cool thing about that video is that I hadn't started holding treats at that stage, I was just dropping them in the dish and backing off. She probably knew she would still get the treat if she waited, but the typical ringneck piglet attitude overruled caution!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:22 pm

Oh yes...the stomach rules common sense with IRN's :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:16 am

I'm sure everyone is bored of hearing about my squidgette every 5 minutes, but I just want to share another achievement in bravery she made today, in the hope someone else feels as excited about it as I do! Dearest boyfriend is neither surprised nor impressed.
I really think she is the sweetest bird, she has not even shown any defensive signals. When she is scared it's all about flight. This is lucky because I have not really thought about a strategy to deal with agression...
I opened the big door of the cage to give her treats, she didn't want to climb off the perch she was on for them as it is a bit of an akward climb when you are feeling vulnerable, she just leant towards my hand until i moved the treats closer. After a few treats her leaning became microscopic, so I slowly brought the next treat to her and she gently took it. She even stood on one foot munching away while my hand was inches away! I was actually hoping to start luring as a precursor to target training, but I got home too late and she had already eaten her dinner and had very little motivation.

I'm actually quite surprised how responsive she is. Considering how many untame ringneck stories I've read I thought it would take a lot longer for her to warm up to me, especially after a vet visit for a health check! Side note: she looks very good in tupaware (on the scales).

I'm so happy with her, I hope she likes me a bit too!

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Post by MissK » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:25 am

IIIIIIIIII am willing to be impressed!

Surely Squidgette is made of special stuff. Or maybe it has something to do with your Doorway. May I pass all my animals through this magic portal at your house?

We all know that imperfect Rocky is perfect, but even little Riff Raff, who will step up, won't take food from my fingers. And she's been here a year!

So good job, Squidgette! Good Job Claire! Dave? Nanny-nanny-nanny!
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:35 am

But we all know Rocky is perfect! He adapted and functions perfectly for the environment he lives in. That is my whole goal for Squidgette.

I guess budgies aren't quite as greedy as ringnecks are, just as well or riffraff would be a chubber.

I do think all our pets are influenced by Daves relaxed nature, even bubbles the siamese fighter fish just wants to rub his fins on peoples fingers and has flared a grand total of once in two years. They certainly don't get it from imitating me! :mrgreen: I love how mellow they all are.

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Post by Doodlebug » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:40 am

InTheAir wrote:I'm sure everyone is bored of hearing about my squidgette every 5 minutes
Never! My goodness how fast is your progress! I can't believe it and would be lying if I was to say that I'm not jealous in the slightest! Thanks so much for posting your diary, its good for people to know how the process is and how tough it can be. Although they are all completely different and you can't compare them, its nice to hear about your achievements and to be able to celebrate them with you :)
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Post by Doodlebug » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:44 am

InTheAir wrote:Side note: she looks very good in tupaware
:lol: This cracked me up! A dedicated follower of plastic fantastic fashion!
Loo :)

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:36 am

You obviously have a way with birds. While I love to boast the accomplishments of my babies, who doesn't, I can't boast ever taming a baby quite as easily as you. Maybe we should call you the bird whisperer. Or maybe it's just that lovely kiwi accent they all fall for :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:01 pm

She is still far from tame, she is just not as reactive anymore (providing I stick to the rules). :mrgreen:

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Post by AlphaWolf » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:19 am

Oh Claire, I'am dying in envy here :mrgreen: . What took you 1 day is taking me more than one moth! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: How? Do you think it's the age. No seriously I'am so proud of your awesome bird-whispering (suspicious magic kiwi accent :twisted: ). I'am defiantly going to follow your progress. But really, who he heard of a diary without pictures. PICTURES!!! :D :D :D
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Post by InTheAir » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:17 am

Alpha, it might be that Squidgette is young and impressionable. She has also had very minimal contact with humans prior to coming here and some of the birds in avairies she could see from her aviary were quite friendly towards the breeder.
My boyfriend is the one who posts pictures, I can't. I might share another video soon though.

I think I had too much expectation of her today, we didn't make much progress at luring when my hand was in the cage. It's partly to do with the perches not being set up appropriately and partly because when she starts hinting for me to bring the treat closer I do it! I'd love to get luring working so I can get her out of her cage. At this stage I'm fairly confident she will just make herself at home on the curtain rail and never enter her cage again if I let her out.

I made an interesting discovery though, young ringnecks are not very refined when it comes to extracting passion fruit seeds that are caught in a fingernail! She basically tried to suck it out and while she was doing that the tip of her beak was digging into my finger. It rather hurt. She seemed to think that was interesting because she tried it a couple more times before she realised taking treats without finger was more efficient.
I am fairly sure she was only exploring, she was using her tongue on my finger. What do you guys think?

Despite my disappointment about not being able to lure her across the cage when my hand was inside it (which was not very realistic anyway) we did have a good day, she let me clean her cage without freaking out and climbed down to eat seeds while I had my hand in the cage. She is happy to move to a different part of the cage if I offer the treat from the outside of the cage.
I will lower my standards tomorrow!

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Post by MissK » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:52 am

Keep the faith, Claire! She follows a lure outside the cage today, she will come to it inside next week. I believe!
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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:12 am

Can I make a suggestion Claire? When you put your hand in the cage keep your hand in a light fist and place the apple on the back of your hand. :D
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:46 am

Thanks guys.
Melissa, good idea. I'm all for offering the hand on every different angle to accustom her to the fact that it never stays the same. I'm not really fussed about getting beaked if the intent is just figuring things out though.

I thought luring would be more successful onto handheld perch since she climbed on a branch I was installing the other day. It worked. She seems to vaguely associated the words step up with a treat coming... I offered my finger instead and she explored it with her beak for a while then put one foot on it and sat there for ages. She also leaned on my hand really hard so she could reach over it to chew my thumbnail. When we tried again later she climbed on my hand and stayed there while she ate her treats. We repeated that about 5 times.

If I hadn't seen her every few weeks since she was a tiny gross squishy thing with feathers poking out I would think she was already. Instead I'm worried she is getting sick!

Now she is not so terrified of people and is associating her cage as a good place, I'm hoping she will come out for a fly and to try out her playstand. I actually left the cage open for an hour this afternoon, but it was her nap time so she didn't even look at it.

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Post by MissK » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:16 am

What does this mean?
If I hadn't seen her every few weeks since she was a tiny gross squishy thing with feathers poking out I would think she was already. Instead I'm worried she is getting sick!
You don't really think she's sick, do you?
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:34 am

Claire, she's not getting sick. Relax. Is she active and eating? Bright eyed? Their weight is most definitely less than a mature IRN, but as long as her keel isn't sunken or poking out completely, she's good. I too noticed the difference in weight right off the bat. Skye seemed like a little tubby compared to hamlet. He was so light as a baby. He's catching up though. You're like a new mother right now :D

On the hand thing, it wasn't about being bitten, it was about fear of fingers. But your girl seems to have overcome that too. Such a smart birdie :D
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Post by AlphaWolf » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:58 am

There is something about Claire's birds and geniuses. First Nila and now Squidgette. I'am sure there is something in that kiwi voice! It turns birds into geniuses. :lol: :D 8)
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Post by MissK » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:00 am

I should have her give me a call.........
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Post by AlphaWolf » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:01 am

Oooh Oooh, me too. Actually make that 2 calls :D Off to youtube to watch how to have a kiwi accent :lol:
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:15 am

You two are too much :lol:
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:49 pm

MissK wrote:What does this mean?
If I hadn't seen her every few weeks since she was a tiny gross squishy thing with feathers poking out I would think she was already tame and accustomed to people * . Instead I'm worried she is getting sick!
You don't really think she's sick, do you?
Sorry
I need to use the preview feature more!
She's bouncing around and eating like a hungry ringneck. Eyes look bright, squawking away at lorikeets. Droppings seem ok, except when I give her too much apple, then they get watery. I just worry because she behaves so differently around me compared to a week ago! I have a tendency to assume Nila is sick atleast once a day too... all he has to do is one strange dropping or fluff himself up and I'm suggesting we take him to the vet.
my boyfriend thinks I'm crazy!
She hasn't been weighed since the vet trip (she was 117g), when she was leaning on my hand to get to my thumbnail her keel felt fine. She felt a lot heavier than Nila on my hand (he sits at about 98g, cos he's a bit special)!
Skyes_crew wrote:You two are too much :lol:
agreed :mrgreen:

Oh funny quirk from the little one, she gets really nervous of me when I wear long sleeved tops. I can't even approach her cage until I remove them. It's only sleeves, dresses with flouncy skirts are fine.

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Post by Redzone » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:56 pm

AlphaWolf wrote:Oooh Oooh, me too. Actually make that 2 calls :D Off to youtube to watch how to have a kiwi accent :lol:
Might I suggest watching "Beached Whale" & some "flight of the conchords" clips :P

(I'm gonna get in trouble for that)

Actually i'll add this in, in the hope that I don't get poisoned at lunchtime - the "flight of the conchords" guys did a tv advertisement for the "outback steakhouse" chain of restaurants in the usa. So basically they convinced 380 million americans that the kiwi accent was what the australian accent sounded like! Well played nz, well played...

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:38 pm

I recommend "brotown" and "boy" for accents, and the concordes.
I've got to go find the poison to add to lunch for that "beached as" suggestion!
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No poison! No poison!

I get it with the edit.

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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:33 pm

I'm a lazy typer, especially when I'm using my phone - punctuation not very accessible on it.
If anyone is interested I put up a video of her stepping up. Anyone want to play spot the handling faults?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q61MbgvFIag

I am now stranded in her bedroom, I let her out of her cage and she is now napping on the curtain rail. I probably should have got luring down a little better first but I really can't stand leaving her cage bound any longer....
I'm sure she will get hungry or thirsty eventually and go back to her cage... I don't have to work until Saturday, lets see who cracks first :lol:

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Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:36 pm

Hi Claire

Well done with the step up. I can see she looks forward to interacting with you although she's a little tentative still. You've done really well. She is a sweet little bird isn't she?

I liked how you tell her what you're going to do before you do it. I think it will work towards building a communication with her. Something I read of Barbara Heidenreich's said a while back that she doesn't talk much when bird training... she mostly works with body language... which I guess works for her... and I tend to work that way myself... but what I've seen with Nila is that he understands what you say to him much better than my guys do, and it's probably because you talk to him more, and possibly because he's been a lone-bird. I also liked how you let her come to you. I think that's something a lot of people don't do enough of. I also liked how you waited for her to move away before moving your hand out of the cage.

Since you want some critiquing, the only things I can come up with are that you said step up several times in one spot before she did step up. That could lead her to thinking the cue to step up is saying it that many times or confusing what the cue means. I seem to recall Barbara's technique when the bird is learning is to give the cue just as the bird is stepping up so that there is hopefully no confusion as to what the words mean. I don't really think this is a problem though, I'm sure she'll learn it... I'm just trying desperately to find something to critique. The only other thing was what you pointed out with your foot - I find my two sometimes get a bit anxious when moving my feet makes a noise and I'm asking them to do something.

Lovely to see the progression. Well done!

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Post by MissK » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:45 pm

I like it, and, of note, now since you didn't poison Dave, you can call him for back-up!
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:51 pm

Thanks, Ellie! I hadn't even thought about the vocalising! I have a tendency to talk non stop (I wonder where Nila gets that from!). I will make an effort to save my cues like you suggest.
The main thing that I noticed was I did startle her when I offered my hand. I had lured her away from the door before I started in the hope I'd be able to offer my hand before she climbed back down, but she's too quick for me.
It's funny how slow and deliberate her movements are, I think I have inadvertently encouraged that too. That is how I move around her. Hopefully she will start interacting with me at normal speed soon! She climbs around her cage quickly.

After she was out for a couple hours, I managed to convince her to step up and stay by plying her with treats while I climbed down off the couch and returned her to her cage. It took 2 tries to climb down, she had to flap her wings to balance (the first time she didn't think the treats were worth the effort so I tried again a few minutes later).
It helped that she is pretty tired, she doesn't nap properly when I'm around hence why I wanted to put her away and leave her alone. I guess that answers the patience question.
Now she is not so petrified, I hope we can start playing some games and doing fun things together soon!
I can't wait to introduce her to Nila. I hope they will both be stoked with each other.

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Post by Little Buttercup » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:47 pm

Hi Claire, Nice diary this. I read the whole thing and will follow you progress with interest. Keep it up.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:51 pm

Wow I missed a lot. That'll teach me to do other things than the forum :wink:

I love watching a young bird learn new things. It's almost like you can see them pondering their response. The tentative foot placement, the shuffle forward. It's all so awesome! Great job Claire and squidgette. :D
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:26 pm

Thanks Ash.
Mel, you should know better than to go do other things while Squidgette is awake. Especially when I am trapped in her room (she is distructobeak after all)
She reminds me of a big parrot, like a macaw, the way they step so carefully.
I am a bit worried that having her in a cage has had a bad emotional impact on her....
She's exploring her playstand and is happily trying out the toys and chewing bark.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:32 am

Lets hope the chainsaw and destructobeak never have the opportunity to be locked in a room together. There'd be nothing left!! I admit when I read that you were trapped in the room with her that I was routing for squidgette. I thought she'd have more stamina. But the mental image of you climbing down the sofa with her while trying to keep you both balanced....priceless :lol: :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:38 am

Lol! There would be no room left, they would eat their way into the ceiling and beyond!
We have a houseful of artists now; Nila paints, Squidgette sculpts, I amuse people for a living and Dave is just a clown...
Thank the universe for bananas, or I'd be sleeping on the sofa tonight!
When she was on her play stand Dave gave her some treats too, she wasn't even worried that it was him not me! She's so cool! Unfortunately, Dave left Nila on his tree and Nila got bored and decided to play on the kitchen bench where he found a watermelon. We had wondered why he was so quiet..... He had the power squirts after that! Dave has been convincing him to eat pellets all evening to combat it!

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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:48 am

Oh btw, the only beaking I got today was a precursory safety check before she climbed from the curtain rail to my finger today. She must have realised that fingernails don't come off, so they are boring.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:04 am

Awww poor Nila. Is he feeling a bit neglected? It's gotta be hard for him to hear her and not be able to see her.
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Post by MissK » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:01 am

It all sounds very exciting and very cool!
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:09 pm

I find it strange that Nila imitates her call in his conversations already, yet never answers her when she calls... I guess they want to be formally introduced first.

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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:23 pm

Help... We have a stalemate again.. I must have given her too many treats today and now when I try to lure her anywhere she just sits there and yawns! She doesn't even untuck her foot when I offer a hand... I guess that means she isn't worried about me anymore.
This wouldn't be a problem except that she is out of the cage....

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:41 pm

Ummm...jammies and the couch. Hope you have a good book in there :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:41 pm

She got hungry after an hour and stepped up! I think I need a beer fridge in that room for similar occasions :mrgreen: I did get the water jug and some ice while Ellie supervised her.
I just realised I forgot to have lunch in all the excitement!
Dave brought Nila home, we were very naughty and introduced them. Squidgette was terrified of the green pin feather monster!
Poor little girl, we thought she'd feel safer with another bird around. They did have a Kale eating race in their respective cages, after that Nila wanted to go to his tree, so the little is getting some peace from us.

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Post by MissK » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:24 am

I guess Nila's going to have to learn about approaching slowly!
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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:34 am

Does Nila have the word slowly in his vocabulary lol. :D
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Post by AlphaWolf » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:45 am

I'am getting confused now :). ellieelectrons watched over her. Tell me, does ellie live near you??? :wink: :?:
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:Does Nila have the word slowly in his vocabulary lol. :D
Nope, not at all! It would be good a word to use when we play connect for also, he wins by never giving his opponent time to think about their next move.

Alpha, we live within a few kms of each other, so I've met the famous Janey and Charlie. Janey doesn't like me, but Charlie thinks I'm alright. They both like my boyfriend more.

Yesterday evening she actually bounced across her tree and jumped onto my hand really confidently. When I ran out of treats she stayed there looking at my face while I made funny noises for a few minutes and playing gently with my thumb nail before returning to her tree.
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She seems confident that I will stick to rules and not try to touch her, I can move my hand around her when she is not interested in interacting. She also has adapted Nilas strategy when she doesn't want to step up, keep one foot tucked up and pretend there is no finger.

I'm really disappointed that she doesn't appear to like Nila, I only wanted a bird as a friend for him! I'm not that fussed as to how tame she gets, she just needs to be tame enough that she can be knows how to go into her cage, be to recalled, understand windows and grabbed in an emergency. The rest is a bonus.
Nila generously leant her heaps of toys. Ungrateful wench she is! We will endeavour to slow Nila down and let them watch each other from a distance, hopefully she will change her tune.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:09 pm

I suspect Nilas quick confident movements startle her a bit. She needs a bit more time to observe from afar. Maybe a training session with Nila done a few meters from her cage.
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:38 pm

I expect you're right Mel. Nila is very forward!

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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:04 am

After I got home from work I let squidgette out and fell asleep on the couch. When I woke up she was playing on her tree. I'm glad she's started exploring it, she spends a lot of her out of cage time sitting on the curtain rails sleeping or trying to destroy the shear curtain I hung up to stop her smashing into the window.
She doesn't seem to fly around for fun like Nila does, it might be that her room isn't huge (but Nila does laps of our bedroom which is a similar size). Maybe she's not feeling confident enough here for recreational activities.
We tried some new games; targeting and jumping/flying to my hand for some treats. I tried handing her foot toys too, but she wasn't interested in them. She liked chewing the target stick though!
She didn't see Nila at all today, he was too busy hanging out with daddy and fixing cars. They are on different schedules too. She is on normal daylight which is about 2 hours different morning and night from Nilas "day". She was getting ready for bed when the boys got home.

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:43 pm

Squidgette is really good with me now, even flies to my hands uninvited sometimes - if she thinks there might be some food in them. She has been exploring the room and playing more. The main problem is she is aggressive towards his birdiness! We have been caging him across the room from her.
While she was out today she landed on his cage, when he came to say hello she lunged at him. He employed pretty much the same tactics I have been using. The slight variation in our techniques is he regurgitated the treat he was offering. She eventually approached him nicely for a treat. I tried to film it, but Nila saw the camera and decided that it was more interesting.
After that they had a bit of beak-wrestling thru the cage bars and she got grumpy at him again. He showed her all his toys and how to use them. Every time she lunged at him he would retreat to a toy and play with it until she edged closer then he'd try to approach her again.
Then she tried to eat his greens so I put her back in her cage with her food.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:02 pm

Sounds like they had a fabulous time...minus the whole regurgitation thing lol. Ill never get used to that :D
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Post by InTheAir » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:59 am

I don't find Nila feeding the mirror gross anymore, but watching her eat it almost made me sick. :lol:

I am getting lots of opportunities to watch birdy interactions.
Squidgette flew back down to Nilas cage a few times to try and steal his food and toys through the bars and generally try to terrorise him. After a few advances on his part (minus the regurgitation he did earlier), which were rebuffed, he moved away from her, put his head under his wing and went to sleep. She stopped playing with his toys and moved closer for a nap. After they both woke up and finished preening she flew to the curtain rail and gave him some glances, he wanted to follow so I let him out and he hopped on me and insisted I preen his head for half an hour. After that he played on her tree by himself until daddy got home and flew out of the room to join daddy.
The course of true love never did run smooth!
She better blimin like him soon! He's got a lovely red beak and is very clever, how can she turn down such a catch? :mrgreen:

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Post by lilstephii143 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:38 pm

i had the same cage for my IRN until she got her beak stuck 2x in between the bars and screamed her head off. it was right after her beak where she got it stuck and indented into her muscle.. well she had to goto the vet for a look... now shes in a sugar glider wiring cage what i was told it was... its much smaller tho :/

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:19 pm

lilstephii143 wrote:i had the same cage for my IRN until she got her beak stuck 2x in between the bars and screamed her head off. it was right after her beak where she got it stuck and indented into her muscle.. well she had to goto the vet for a look... now shes in a sugar glider wiring cage what i was told it was... its much smaller tho :/

You bring up a good point here. I've recently seen a few cages posted with bar width beyond the recommended for IRN's. But....there are also quite a few people that only use the cages as a place for the bird to go back to at night to sleep, or during the day to play but with the door open. If IRN's are left in these cages all day with the doors closed and they spend hours looking for a way out, they are very likely to get their beaks stuck. Very young IRN are also at risk of this because of the inability to grasp being caged. There are bar width recommendations for a reason...yet I know people want to provide the largest cage possible. How do we fix it????
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:56 pm

Ummm, the bar spacing is 1/2".

Melissa, building your own cages is the way to solve it. :mrgreen:

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I hear you can get the cage companies to special order your bar width. Never looked into it, tho.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:07 pm

InTheAir wrote:Ummm, the bar spacing is 1/2".

Melissa, building your own cages is the way to solve it. :mrgreen:
I wasn't talking about your cage Claire :D yours is fine. It was a generalization brought on by her story about her bird in particular. I've seen parrot size cages recently for IRN's Parrot cages are for parrots. But MissK...I didn't know you could custom order bar width. Ill have to look into that.

Ps...I don't have a handy man like you do that converts furniture so beautifully. :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:43 am

Hahaha i did a pretty fair portion of the work on Nilas cage :mrgreen:
We made it because all the cages that we considered a decent size had inappropriate bar spacing, not that Nila spends much time in it or appreciates it... Squidgette flew into it today, while he was busy playing on his tree. She tried out all his toys and chucked one of his bowls onto the floor. I removed her before he noticed.

She did rather impress me today, both birds were sitting on their respective open cage doors when I was cleaning cages and vacuuming. She sat with a foot tucked up on her door while I vacuumed under her and around her cage! It's only the second time she's seen the vax and the other times she was at the other end of the room from it. (Her room was pretty gross after 2 weeks of not being vacuumed!). I did clean Nilas first, so she would see it wasn't threatening.

Because of her horrible attitude to Nila I am having trouble liking her. .. She's very pretty and trusting, but maybe a bit up herself. :mrgreen:

Here's a pic of the real parrot whisperer, who has spent no time at all with my bird, yet she will sit on his hand for ages.
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The color is very becoming :lol:
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Post by MissK » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:48 am

I don't think you included a realistic amount of bird poo on the shoulder........

Oh, and he looks just thrilled, btw.
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:52 pm

I thought that colour would bring out everyone's eyes.

Missk, Nila usually flies off to a perch if he needs to go to the toilet so we seldom get pooped on. He is a very polite bird. He either learnt it from the breeder or decided to do it himself, as he has been that way since we got him.
I hope Squidgette watches and learns!

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Coooooooooooooool!
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:10 pm

Nila is a pretty special little bird!

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Post by Chienderace » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:40 pm

I have just read all the posts in this topic with great interest. The nest mate left earlier in the week and the progress that Angela made with him astounded me, and to see what you have achieved with Squigette in the short time that she has been with you just reinforces the theory that they don't need to be hand reared to become tame. Its the time and effort involved that gets the reaction, just take a hand reared bird and neglect it for a few days!
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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:46 pm

Squidgette is in great hands for sure :D

And kudos to you on breeding such beautiful birds :D
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:00 pm

It's pretty amazing, and she's still got a full set of very good looking wings too :)

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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:38 am

Wow, there is nothing like some healthy competition. Nila was just playing twinkle twinkle very badly on his big xylophone while Squidgette was busy raiding his cage. When she noticed he was doing something fun she flew over to have a go too. She was beaking the keys, but not getting any sound out yet.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:54 am

Big bro is showing her the ropes :)

I love watching the birds raid each others cages. Today it was hamlet in cyranos and Chico in hamlets. Cyrano was busy hanging by one toe from a branch in the tree to get to his ball.

They act like its Christmas in each others cages :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:25 am

It really amuses me that neither bird ever wants to spend much time in their own cage, but they are both all over each others, playing with every toy. Squidgette even ate Nilas pellets, she won't touch the bowl in her cage though.

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Grass is always greener on the other side :D
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:45 pm

I need some advice, Squidgette is getting worse with Nila!
We usually let Nila spend most of the day out of his cage, so we have been doing the same with squidgette. She has started tormenting Nila most of the time, more frequently he gets comfy or plays with something she flies over to chase him away.
We were just watching a movie while laying on the carpet with Nila settling down for a nap on Dave and squidgette flew down to sit on my stomach and play with my shirt before launching herself at Nila, landing on him and trying to bite him. Dave and I waved our arms at her and both birds flew off in opposite directions. Dave has taken Nila to play upstairs and I put her back in her cage so I don't accidentally throttle her...
Nila has started getting into an aggressive posture when she tries to approach him from above and has threatened her a few times before flying off.

She seems to be worse with him when he is on or near me, on his cage door or on either playstand. She tends to leave him alone when he is playing on top of her cage...

She chases him off when I do any training with him and picks up the props he was using and slightly mimics the trick.

I am considering moving her back to the spare room so Nila can have safe playtime downstairs and reintroducing them at a later date.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea or suggestions?

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Post by MissK » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:10 pm

For the love of all that might be holy, don't take my thoughts as if I actually know what I'm talking about:

Disclaimer issued, I think that 1) Squidgette thinks you belong to her (fair assumption, given her experiences) and 2) she has a greatly reduced chance of hurting Nila if she is safely locked in her cage while he is out.

Would it help at all for Squidgette to observe Janey, Charlie, and Nila interacting in a more satisfactory fashion, from the safe-for-all vantage point of her cage? In other words, can you have Ellie and her bunch over for a play date? Would that help?

Also, I would consider getting a second set of some of Nila's props so you can take advantage of her interest there.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:26 pm

Two things...cage time and boundaries. You have to set them now. She is in all essence a wild bird acting on instinct. Unfortunately until she is older and those boundaries are firmly in place, she can't be free range like Nila. And unfortunately for Nila, that means he may have to have separate play time from her. Flock integration can take months. Just a little patience and your soft but firm hand will help. Females are a whole other animal :mrgreen:
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:08 am

I am thinking of changing her name to sapphire...
She's still good with me and hates Nila. She has picked up a few of Nilas sounds, his contact call (which she directs at wild lorikeets) and the budgie noise Dave taught him. She sounds like a giant angry budgie when she does it.
We practiced flights to my hand today for quite a while.
She still can't open sunflower seeds properly unless they are sprouted. I'm sure Nila could show her, if she stopped being so horrible to him for long enough to learn.

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Was unaware of Dave speaking Budgie........
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:01 am

Sapphire is pretty :D

Hamlet didn't start cracking seeds that big for awhile either. She'll get the hang of it :D
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Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:45 pm

MissK wrote:Was unaware of Dave speaking Budgie........
Dave can speak a few native bird languages, going for a walk in the forest with him is a bit of a nightmare. .. He stops to pass the time of day with every single brush turkey! In densely populated areas it can take an hour to walk a couple hundred metres!

Mel, putting a couple in her dish is a good way to keep her occupied for 10 minutes :wink: the look of concentration on her face as she turns it around in her beak is priceless! Nila was probably born with the ability to open sunflower seeds, he was eating them fine at the same age.

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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:49 pm

My little bird is so funny! She gives every new object a good beaking when she first encounters it. The first time she hopped down on to the carpet she looked like a horse grazing.
She was watching Nila playing on the big pool table last night, so today Nila was sitting near it and she flies down to try it out. She tried to beak a ball and it rolled away, she tried eating the felt, but it wasn't squishy enough, she went after the ball and found the pocket. At last, something to sink a beak into! She got a few beak marks in to the leather cover before I covered it with a block of balsa wood.
Then she tried ice-skating on the marble bench top in the kitchen, but she couldn't eat it.

Nila went to work yesterday and she was so unsettled. Didn't preen, play or nap properly until he came home. She was still terrorising him a bit when he got home though.
Today he went with Dave again and I had to pick him up after a couple hours, she was contact calling and acting very distressed. Now she has him home to pick on she's a content little bird! :lol:

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Post by MissK » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:36 pm

Maybe she will be coming around after all.
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Post by InTheAir » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:56 pm

I hope so!
When I went to get Nila I put one of his favourite foraging puzzles in her cage in case she wanted to play with it. .. later on, when both birds were out, Nila spots his toy and goes on to her cage door to play with it. She flew over a few minutes later and chased him away. He went to the curtain rail, assessed the situation, came back, told her to go away and went foraging in her cage. She flew to his cage and ate his greens and pellets, then settled down to chew his toys. She gave him a few dirty looks, but didn't try to chase him off again.
I'll count that as progress!

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It sounds great to me!
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Post by InTheAir » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:57 am

I managed to really, really, really annoy sapphire moonstone today, enough to get bitten! She didn't bite to hurt though, thankfully! I have seen what that beak can do to a lump of wood! She didn't even scratch me.
I was stupid enough to offer her the hand that was attached to the shoulder that Nila was sitting on. She knows you can climb from the hand to the shoulder and back, so it was terrifying! I removed my hand and offered the other one, she gave it the dirtiest look then realised Nila was safely on the other side of my head and climbed aboard. Lucky she doesn't know that Nila can climb around heads when he feels inclined to....

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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:33 am

Family dinner tonight:
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As you can see, she is not quite as civilised at the table as his birdiness.
She only jumped the xylophone to chase Nila off his dinner a couple times tonight, which is an improvement!

Nila has been standing up to her a bit more, which seems to be improving the relationship. He has also been moving to about a foot away from her and hanging out, ignoring her dirty looks, she stops glaring at him in these instances. I think he's getting a bit fed up with being bossed around all the time.

She's really good with us, but not very confident with visitors. One of my friends was over last week and didn't take heed of my instructions not to approach her. Poor little Sapphire got very frightened by having someone she didn't know walking straight up to her cage, poking it and ignoring the fact that birdy was panicking and crashing into the far side of the cage! Note to self; bird must never be in cage when non-animal people come over, as she doesn't seem to feel enough safe in there.

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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:13 am

Ughhhh....I hate when people do that to my birds. Do they not see the poor bird trying to get away?

Dinner looks civilized enough. She's learning by leaps and bounds. It's sort of a learning experience for everyone having a second bird. Nila is learning that he's a bird himself... And not in charge all the time lol. Sapphire is learning to live among non feathered friends and feathered ones alike and that she can't always be in charge either. And Claire and Dave are learning to live with double trouble and that they are never going to be in charge again :mrgreen:
I am owned by my birds...and I wouldn't have it any other way :D

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Post by MissK » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:43 am

Heh. That's why I made sure to let everybody know I was putting a TURKEY in the oven this morning!

Dinner at Claire's looks sweet. Notice Somebody got a special, colour-coordinated plate.....
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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:46 pm

:lol: missk, that reminds me of a joke about a macaw I heard.
That's actually Nilas special plate, but she falls off the other one and he is more interested in the contents than the plate anyway. :wink:

Sky, you make it sound like our house is going to be a democracy one day!

This morning Nila was playing with a packet of cable ties on the table when I let the little monster out, he was reluctant to be chased away but eventually backed off to Daves shoulder.
When Dave handed him a cable tie to play with he tried fishing for Sapphires with it :mrgreen: He moved to the shoulder near her, while she was playing on Daves arm and dangled the cable tie towards her. She couldn't climb up Daves sleeve properly, when she tried to be agressive Nila hid behind Daves head. When she settled down with her own cable tie he would move closer and start dangling his one over the edge of the shoulder until she dropped hers and tried to get his. They repeated this game for a few minutes.
Must teach Nila to say "nah nah nanana nah!".

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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:41 pm

InTheAir wrote:
Sky, you make it sound like our house is going to be a democracy one day!

Nah...I see a monarchy blooming :wink:
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:02 pm

Hi Claire,
I have come a bit late on this post but talking to Sqidgette about what you are doing is really great. I talk to my Billie all time. About snatching, l say to Bille "Gently!" and keep repeating the word and if she tries to snatch again l with draw and say "Naughty". If Billie does not fly to my shoulder when l leave the room she suddenly realizes that l am not all there and l hear a panic call so l shout back "In a minute" or "I'm coming" Also when l come through the front door l call to let her know it is me and not some stranger. She has a great display when l come into the room, flapping her wings and sqwarking.
Her previous owner only ever gave her sunflower seeds, and never any fruit so Billie has a weird appetite, she does not like peanuts or monkey nuts, does not like any kind of dried fruit or vegs, including dried red peppers she throws out of her bowl. She likes a little cooked food which l offer to her on a spoon while she sits on her door, Bille has a bowl of fresh fruit and vegs which she picks over, sweet pea pods are a favourite. But her likes and dislikes keep changing.
Do not worry about spelling or grammar l cannot spell for toffee.
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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by InTheAir » Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:52 pm

AJ; Parrots tend to snatch when they are feeling a bit nervous or uncomfortable. There can be other reasons, but in my birds case she was very nervous of people. She was not being naughty at all, she was being brave to come near the scarey human.
Chastisement in this situation would have scared her more and damaged the relationship I was building with her. I don't think it is wise to chastise a scared bird for it's natural caution.

She stopped snatching very quickly when she realised the big scarey humans couldn't hurt her. I'm sure she will start snatching again when she gets brave enough to take treats from people she doesn't know, but she will stop when she feels safe with them.

Nothing beats researching about your pet, so you have some understanding of their natural behaviour! This way you can understand why your bird reacts in certain ways and how you can behave that makes a nervous bird feel safer around you.

I've got to go now. I promised Nila I would teach him a new trick this afternoon and he's getting impatient to exercise his brain!
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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by Doodlebug » Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:00 am

InTheAir wrote:she got grumpy at him again. He showed her all his toys and how to use them. Every time she lunged at him he would retreat to a toy and play with it until she edged closer then he'd try to approach her again.
I know how he feels lol.

I have been toying with the idea of getting Dudes a buddy next year, reading your progress and knowing what you know now about Saphire and Nila not getting on very well, would you still think its a good idea? I mean you never can tell can you, but she is still so young and they probably will come to be great together with you there to break up the fights and make them say sorry to each other!
Loo :)

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Re: New untame bird - my diary

Post by InTheAir » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:55 pm

Hi Loo,
Ideally, I would have liked to let Nila pick his friend. It wasn't possible for many reasons. I want to watch them interacting and having fun together! Maybe one day it will happen.

Here is a new video of Sapphire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2DjN8I9xFE
She is pretty tame now, though not obedient :mrgreen: , so I am going to ask the moderator to lock this thread.

This website http://learningparrots.com/blog/trainin ... l-parrots/ was the most influential to me and I would highly recommend it to anyone with a nervous bird!

If anyone wants to discuss techniques etc. please start a new thread and pm me, if you are interested in my input.

Thanks for reading.

Regards,
Claire

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