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Post by AJPeter » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:47 pm

Does any one get the impression that they are training us? However their body language and calls are a clear indication of what l can expect, l almost get the idea that if she is asking for neck scratch as a way to bite me l can see the glint in her eye and decine not to play her game.
But this asking takes two forms either she holds her head up and lf l try to scratch her neck she attacks my finger but if she she holds her had up an bleats then it is safe to scratch her neck, for awhile but as soon as her body languge changes l need to get out of there pretty fast.
This question of leaving the room does modify her behavour, Billie was screaming for no apparent reason so l left the room
after a short whiile she made her call for me to return and afterwards was as good as gold. In fact she was very playful and fun to be with.
Possibly every parrot is different.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:42 pm

Hi AJPeter
AJPeter wrote:Does any one get the impression that they are training us?
They are most definitely training us! My birds are probably too good at training me! The first time I went to my avian vet he told me as much.
AJPeter wrote:This question of leaving the room does modify her behavour, Billie was screaming for no apparent reason so l left the room after a short whiile she made her call for me to return and afterwards was as good as gold.
I will add that it is not always a question of what works, it's also about how ethical the treatment of the animal is. Leaving the room is an example of "Negative Punishment" (removing something pleasant to decrease an undesirable behaviour). I'm personally not against this form of training, but I do believe that using "Positive Reinforcement" is the best method to use and should be used where possible and that "Negative Punishment" should be used with caution. However, I do not think hitting/slapping/etc or endangering the bird's safety, should ever be used in training.... and not because it won't work but because it builds a relationship based on fear and compliance rather than trust and understanding.
AJPeter wrote:However their body language and calls are a clear indication of what l can expect, l almost get the idea that if she is asking for neck scratch as a way to bite me l can see the glint in her eye and decine not to play her game.
But this asking takes two forms either she holds her head up and lf l try to scratch her neck she attacks my finger but if she she holds her had up an bleats then it is safe to scratch her neck, for awhile but as soon as her body languge changes l need to get out of there pretty fast.
Understanding your bird's body language is really important - it's good that you are developing that understanding with your bird.

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Re: He's biting?

Post by zentoucan » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:47 am

interesting read.
I followed the link into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement. and had a bit of a read and noticed that negative reinforcement is not punishment yet when negative reinforcement is mention some people think it is punishment and it's to be avoid at all costs. but I read that negative reinforcement is to be used very very sparingly and only by experienced trainers. I also noticed that not all examples of positive and negative reinforcement where shown from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement.
bluffing: there were a couple of webpages I went into and there was one common line, that was to ignore the bluffing behaviour and to continue training your IRN as per normal. but I'm not sure if this is forced interaction. according to ringneck.com. do not to ignore your parrot.
there are some things I agree with like never hitting your parrot or wing clipping and some things I understand from both perspectives.
I need to research some more.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:25 pm

I must admit that my original reaction to being bitten was to strike back but l am pleased to say that l have not lost my temper and struck back or slapped Billie not since the early days of dealing with her. I quite like the idea of telling her "Ouch! That hurt." And then holding my finger and making sad noises she looks at me as l a daft and probalby l am!
I am between the devil and the deep blue sea l hate the idea of training her with positive reinforcements as if she were a lion jumping through a hoop, l prefer a slower response which l think is a natural development of our relationship not something contrived with a reward.
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Post by InTheAir » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:54 pm

zentoucan: I thought Ellie had summed that topic up quite well in her first post
Negative Reinforcement - removing/taking away an unpleasant stimulus to increase behaviour -
This involves having an unpleasant stimulus in the first place.
For a common example I have heard of with birds is using a net to catch them to get them back in the cage. This is so unpleasant for the bird that some of them will learn to fly straight to their cage when the net is produced. It may achieve the result of getting the bird to comply, but it is by fear of being netted. You need the fear of the net to make this effective, it won't work if the bird likes the net and wants to climb in it.

Another interesting example I heard recently is the trick of pushing against the chest of the bird to make it step up. In this instance a handheld perch was used and the bird quickly discovered the best way to show its discomfort is to run along the perch and bite the owners hand. The bird in question is really quite clever, not every bird will react that way.

An alternative training method is to use positive reinforcers to convince the bird to go to its cage. The bird wants to go into the cage because it has positive associations with that action. The same applies to stepping up.

I don't know about bluffing as our bird has not exhibited that stage. If he tells us he doesn't want attention we just leave him alone or suggest a game he likes as a bridge to getting him on side, but we don't often find ourselves in that situation as he is usually up for anything.
I haven't tried backing off on any other birds and this is not in a bluffing instance, so I am unsure as to whether it is advisable to follow or not. We back off on the first warning and our bird gives a few warnings before he will consider he needs to bite, so we are not running away from a bite just the warning.
If anyone has any thoughts on this I'd love to discuss it in depth! The pros and cons.


AjPeters, I like training tricks personally. I enjoy learning things like juggling (and showing off) so I don't see it as degrading. Our bird started the training buzz in our house by teaching us to fetch objects he threw, he would squeak at us if we didn't fetch!
Some tricks have opened up ways for him to tell us he wants something, he can sit on his perch and wave rather than flying over to us to get the desired object.
I spend most of our training sessions cracking up with laughter about how cute he is and that has turned into a secondary reinforcer.
Birds in the wild forage for their food, I look at it as modified foraging for the best treats. He also likes foraging in his cage above eating from his dish, which is probably why his trick training is so successful.
Whether you train your bird or not every interaction is a learning experience for both of you and your bird will explore possibilities so she can achieve what she wants from you anyway. When she finds methods that work she will repeat them more frequently.
As long as you don't need to resort to using adverse or punishment techniques I can't see any harm in training that way, it just makes it hard to modify behaviour when you have no strong reinforcer.
To have a parrot living in a house an element of behaviour modification is sometimes required..In my experience anyway... sometimes I have to go to work and to do that I have to put bird in cage. And I'd rather use treats than whips.

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Post by Donovan » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:58 pm

Okay, I haven't read all this..

But to help avoid biting.. just push back against him when he bites.. they don't like that..

It will help assert -you- as the boss as well as let them know that biting (supposedly) means nothing

just a little nudge

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Post by InTheAir » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:06 pm

Donovan wrote:Okay, I haven't read all this..

But to help avoid biting.. just push back against him when he bites.. they don't like that..

It will help assert -you- as the boss as well as let them know that biting (supposedly) means nothing

just a little nudge
Lol! That is the kind of method that is currently being debated on this thread. Thank you for providing me with some more examples to argue against. Lol
I will give you a chance to review this thread before I refute your point, so you can prepare a convincing argument if you like. :mrgreen:

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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:27 pm

Hi Zentoucan
zentoucan wrote:interesting read.
I followed the link into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement. and had a bit of a read and noticed that negative reinforcement is not punishment yet when negative reinforcement is mention some people think it is punishment and it's to be avoid at all costs. but I read that negative reinforcement is to be used very very sparingly and only by experienced trainers. .
No, you are right, there is negative reinforcement and negative punishment. The difference (as I understand it) being that negative reinforcement involves removing/taking away an unpleasant stimulus to increase behaviour and negative punishment is removing/taking away a pleasant stimulus to decrease behaviour. The NOT RECOMMENDED for Negative reinforcement and the USE WITH CAUTION for Negative punishment came from my notes from a Barbara Heidenreich session. You may disagree with her level of recommendations and that's okay. However, I think the main thing to come from it is that the most recommended way of interacting with your bird is positive reinforcement and I think most reputable sources would probably agree with that.
zentoucan wrote:I also noticed that not all examples of positive and negative reinforcement where shown from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement.
Correct - some came from the workshop and some came from me trying to interpret the meaning of each of the terms and relate to experiences I have had or heard about. I wasn't sure I had all of the examples right, so I'd be happy for you to come up with some other ones. I also found that I couldn't find a parrot example of Negative Reinforcement in any of my notes or find one on Wikipedia.

Also, I chose the wikipedia articles because it reinforced my notes from the workshop I attended, but in general I don't take Wikipedia as my final, authoritative source of knowledge.

Thanks for taking the time to go through the article Zentoucan. Take care.

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Re: He's biting?

Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:39 pm

AJPeter wrote:I must admit that my original reaction to being bitten was to strike back but l am pleased to say that l have not lost my temper and struck back or slapped Billie not since the early days of dealing with her. I quite like the idea of telling her "Ouch! That hurt." And then holding my finger and making sad noises she looks at me as l a daft and probalby l am!
It can be hard not to react to being bitten. Most everything I've read, however, indicates that reaction in any form can be reinforcing to the bird. I still do react when I get a bite but I try not to go overboard with my reaction and calm down as quickly as possible. This article has a slightly different approach to biting and my help you:
http://goodbirdinc.blogspot.com.au/2012 ... -bite.html

AJPeter wrote:I am between the devil and the deep blue sea l hate the idea of training her with positive reinforcements as if she were a lion jumping through a hoop, l prefer a slower response which l think is a natural development of our relationship not something contrived with a reward.
Think some more about positive reinforcement. In my experience it helps the natural development of the relationship tend in a positive direction. For your bird, it makes interactions with you a pleasure rather than a chore or something to fear. Over time your bird may become compliant but you don't want a bird who is merely compliant, you want a bird that is happy. Positive reinforcement also helps you develop a language between the two of you. Positive reinforcement is used in trick training but it doesn't have to be used for trick training, it can also be used for basic husbandry and handling. It's okay if you don't like the idea of trick training. I personally like trick training and find that the birds enjoy the stimulus. You can see some of the things they have learned on my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ellieelectrons/videos

Can you tell me more about what you don't like about positive reinforcement? It doesn't have to be done with treats, although treats to prove a good motivator for ringnecks in particular.

Keep in mind that if you are not using positive reinforcement, you are most likely inadvertently using one or more of the other techniques (positive punishment, negative punishment, negative reinforcement) and do you want to build your relationship with your bird by using these techniques that lean towards at best, compliance rather and doing the minimum and at worst, fear.

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Post by MissK » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:41 pm

I'd like to get to the heart of what positive or negative reinforcement means to me in the relationship between Human and Ringneck: Reinforcement provides a point of communication between the two parties. Without this communication, or "feedback", learning on either side of the relationship would be virtually, if not actually, impossible. Every action of one party is likely to elicit some sort of reinforcement aka feedback from the other. If one party gives absolutely no MEANINGFUL feedback to the other for a given behaviour they cut the line of communication between them. That behaviour might be reinforced, however, by the very environment or by the behaviour itself. For these reasons it is counter-productive to seek to avoid providing reinforcement.

AJ, I suspect you feel love and respect for your bird and shrink from what you may see as rote conditioning or possibly even manipulation of that bird. You may even prefer to see your bird as an equal to yourself. I feel you do, indeed, have equal "basic human rights", but you are very different creatures. Unfortunately, you and the bird have little common language between you. Saying "Ouch! That hurt!" does not mean to the bird what it means to you, or even to a puppy. Even if the bird did understand, what motivation would it have to care? What you do have in common between you are the universal desire for sustenance, safety, and comfort, and the universal aversion to danger, discomfort, and hurt. Until you have forged some relationship between you, these are the points for potential meaningful reinforcement.

I urge you to consider that positive and negative reinforcement are at work in ways you may not recognize. For example, I can walk. Reinforcement taught me to walk. Someone smiled and called (most likely), possibly offered me something I liked, in order to motivate me to walk. That was a meaningful lure, and I followed it. When I walked, I got more smiles, possibly something I wanted in my hand or mouth, and a big happy fuss was made over me. That was meaningful positive reinforcement. If, instead, they had announced I would get a car when I was 18, that would not have been a meaningful reinforcer. I am sure I got some gentle negative reinforcement as well, in the form of someone guiding me to stand upright and preventing me from crawling. The impediment to my forward movement was removed when I displayed the desired behaviour of walking.

Could anyone argue that I was not well treated in learning to walk? Could anyone suggest I should have been let to learn walking all on my own, with no guidance or support, regardless of when or if I might ever learn? Could it possibly be said that I did not benefit immensely from learning the skill of walking? Would you say I was trained to perform like a seal, or would you say I was taught? I say that training and teaching are simply different ways of speaking about the activity of one party eliciting a particular behaviour from another and creating the likelihood that behaviour will occur upon presentation of a cue. The cue for walking is not, by the way, calling and smiling, but the need to move from one place to another.

For a second example, consider the parrot who does not know to step up upon invitation/request. It is fairly unlikely, though far from impossible, that the parrot will step up without some sort of guidance or lure. Let us assume, for the moment, that the parrot does, indeed, step up completely on its own at the time that the opportunity exists. That time is, really, when you present your hand, your cue, your request for the behaviour. If the parrot is not provided some sort of positive reinforcement, it is even less likely that stepping up on cue will be learned. Really, with regards to stepping up, what's in it for the parrot? Fill in the blank:______________________ Were you able to put something in the blank? That is the reinforcer, the feedback, the magic that increases the likelihood that the parrot will learn to do it again. It is a tool, a reward, a prize. Reinforcement is not a deception or spurious manipulation; it is simply how living organisms learn.
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Re: He's biting?

Post by zentoucan » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:43 am

ellieelectrons wrote:Hi Zentoucan
zentoucan wrote:interesting read.
I followed the link into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement. and had a bit of a read and noticed that negative reinforcement is not punishment yet when negative reinforcement is mention some people think it is punishment and it's to be avoid at all costs. but I read that negative reinforcement is to be used very very sparingly and only by experienced trainers. .
No, you are right, there is negative reinforcement and negative punishment. The difference (as I understand it) being that negative reinforcement involves removing/taking away an unpleasant stimulus to increase behaviour and negative punishment is removing/taking away a pleasant stimulus to decrease behaviour. The NOT RECOMMENDED for Negative reinforcement and the USE WITH CAUTION for Negative punishment came from my notes from a Barbara Heidenreich session. You may disagree with her level of recommendations and that's okay. However, I think the main thing to come from it is that the most recommended way of interacting with your bird is positive reinforcement and I think most reputable sources would probably agree with that.
if training a parrot and you show the parrot the treat and it takes the treat from your fingers and you click the clicker when the bird takes the treat. is this positive reinforcement?
but if the parrot refuses to takes the treat from your fingers after a set amount of time and you withdraw the treat and don't click the clicker. is this negative reinforcement?
zentoucan wrote:I also noticed that not all examples of positive and negative reinforcement where shown from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement.
Correct - some came from the workshop and some came from me trying to interpret the meaning of each of the terms and relate to experiences I have had or heard about. I wasn't sure I had all of the examples right, so I'd be happy for you to come up with some other ones. I also found that I couldn't find a parrot example of Negative Reinforcement in any of my notes or find one on Wikipedia.

Also, I chose the wikipedia articles because it reinforced my notes from the workshop I attended, but in general I don't take Wikipedia as my final, authoritative source of knowledge.

Thanks for taking the time to go through the article Zentoucan. Take care.

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:41 pm

MissK you are right but in the bath l noticed that l am sprouting feathers on my chest. A friend of mine came today while Billie was out of her cage and my firend sat down in the arm chair and after a short while Billie flew to the arm chair back and climbed onto my friends' head and tried to remove her glasses after l thought my friend had suffered enough l put my hand close to her forehead and Billie lifted a foot and climbed onto my hand. WOW! But as l truned to take her back to her cage she flew the short distance but as we were chatting Billie again flew to the back of the chair and again climbed onto my freind's head and tried to remove her glasses which have dark frames and again l put my hand to my friend's forehead and again Billie climbed onto my hand first lifting a foot. And again flrew back to her cage from my hand this happened again but everytime l try to get Billie to step up onto my hand from her cage l get bitten.
Strangely when Billie flies to my head while l am playing the organ she is quite happy for me to lift her down to my shoulder. And today she nestled upto my neck which was rather sweet. So l get the impression that her cage is her cage come near her cage and you will get bitten.
My roof leaks and l have to put bowls out to catch the drips and we both looked at the ceiling and then at the bowl, I tuttered and she nodded. This afternoon l was watching TV and got up at the end of a programme to say hallo to Billie as she had been very quiet and as l stood in front of her she shuffled to her left along the cage door and when she got to the edge she leant as if she was trying to see round me!
Billie tried to spin out the bedtime routine and would not go into her cage, so l gave up turned my back on her and ignorred her, after awhile she scamppered back into her cage. Phew
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:28 pm

I have been quietly watching how this conversation has progressed. A huge accomplishment for me. But AJPeter intrigues me. I will make my observation short and sweet. I think we can learn a lot from AJ's interactions with Billie. We all become so focused on the proper ways to train...the proper trainers to follow...the best articles to read. I think we've lost the ability to actually truly interact on a baser level with our companions. In reading AJ's interpretations of billies thoughts and feelings it made me realize that I need to learn to interpret more than just an imminent bite or stress or a sleepy bird. Are his interpretations accurate? We may never know for sure. But the fact that he attempts more than the standard shows a deeper compassion. My hat goes off to you Mr. AJ Peter.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:39 pm

I agree with Skye. All birds have their own personalities and work with them is important. Training techniques do have their place though and certainly can help you think about how we can live better in harmony with our parrots.

AJPeter - as you've observed, you may just be dealing with cage aggression. In other conversations MissK has explained how she managed to curb Rocky's cage aggression. I dealt with it by not sticking my hand up to them in the cage. when it's time to come out, I let them come to me instead. I also try to do my work in their cage when they are out of it. If I _have_ to work in the cage when they are in there, I've got them trained to sit on a particular perch whilst I do the work. This doesn't work 100% but it's pretty good. MissK has had more success with being allowed to work in Rocky's cage without it worrying him.

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Thank you Sykes-crew, MissEllie and er others for your comments.
Does your bird sulk? Bilie does, three times she flew to the top of my head as l was playing the organ and twice l lifted her down onto my shoulder with the back of my hand, the first time she flew back because of a police siren in the road and the second time she was showing too much interest in the zip of my jumper so l shooed her away, the third time l was in the middle of a difficult chord sequence and was a bit abrupt as l went to lift her down and she bit me, I leapt up and went out of the room when l came back she would not speak to me just sat on her perch and totally ignorred me. Billie and l made up over Brunch she swallowed her pride and some cornflakes and we became the best of pals again. As brunch came to and end there was a delivery and when l came back with a parcel she flew to the back of my chair to see what it was, after unpacking l offered my hand for her to to sit on but she flew back to the cage and l thought all in good time. We are all different, birds and people but it is good to read how people deal with their birds maybe to try that idea out.
When l worked in a pet shop we had a delivery of caged birds and one a cockatiel was in a cage with a lift up door, the Cockatiel was lifting the door and letting it fall repeatedly but all of a sudden the door jammed and did not drop and the bird flew down the shop and escaped. Another time we had a load of mice, l had to sex them because they were dropping litters all over the place, but even when we had them in different fish tanks they still managaed to climb out and go in the wrong tank but than l noticed the numbers were dimishing and l could not understand how they were excaping until l saw on poke its head up through a drain cover. Once a man came in and asked if we sold mice but when he saw they were all white he said "My snake does not like white mice" V (Science fiction film) had nothing on us. We had a big old Macaw who actualluy laughed when he bit people me included. He used to sit with me at the till and l would say to customers "Charlie will give you your change" and when l openned the tilll drawer he would reach in and pull out coins. I used to pull sorts of pranks on our customers.
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:39 pm

Forgot to mention that when Billie calls for a neck scratch she prefers me to keep my finger in one place and she swoons about like a snake in a trance, she has her eyes closed and when she is out of reach l wait for her to return to my finger and the scratch but it amazes me how hard she presses against my finger. she is a bit like that spider that eats its mate when she has had enough scartching she wants to start biting. Hamsters do that you can only put a male in with a female hamster for about siz hours when she is on heat and if you are not quick she will eat him after the job is done.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:52 pm

I think AJ and MissK should team up and write a book :lol:
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:25 pm

Those of you with aviaries might like to consider Quail as a bottom feeder, they lay eggs well the hens do, Chickens need to much gorund space to be kept in avaries and although this is not the page to mention this but you need a gallon of water for every inch of goldfish.
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:38 pm

Sorry l meant to mention that l was seriously considering writing a book called "Parrot Speak" so people could understand what their parrot was saying to them but l have hit on a stumbling block, when Billie calls for a scratch suddenly she bites me and l have not yet worked out why.
Today Billie has been flying back and forth landing on my head but when l tried to lift her down l could feel her beak pushing my hand away, strange still better than another plaster to cover a fresh wound. She does not like me putting my hand in her cage but l say the magic words "No biting!" and l can get my hand out without being bitten.
Night time l say "Are you going in now?" hoping she takes the hint and off she toddles. I suppose those of you with children finding working with IRN's child's play sorry about the pun l hate to think if l had children how they would have turned out?
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Does your bird smile? Billie does and today l played a wrong note and l turned round to see if she had noticed and she was grimacing. I can tell when she has some mischief planned as she has a twinkle in her eye and l discovered this neck scratch biting thing of hers is not to over do the scratch, l left her wanting more.

She has been as good as gold today she came out this afternoon and landed on the back of my chair and we watched TV together, we had breakfast together she had 5 corn flakes dipped in water, hand fed, she took each one with one without grabbing it and then she had the top of an orange peeled but not shaken.

She got back into her cage for dinner and was ready for bed (Cover up) at 7 pm

Remember the fifth of Novemember, gunpowder treason and plot what do people do to calm their bird during this time of bangs and whizzes?

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:45 pm

Please do not ever stop writing...I look forward to your daily updates on Billie. :D
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:58 pm

Thank you Sykes-crew.
Where can l buy Liver salts for parrots? I uncovered Billie this morning and she looked like death warmed up all bleary eyed as if she had been on the town all night, she looked worse than l felt.
But l am glad to say that after l left her to have a shower and came back she was her old self again. Sunday morning l go to church and play the organ there but last week l decided to have a clean under the pedal board and moved it and had an awful job getting it plugged back in again and now the bass pedals do not work. But it sounded okay today.
However Biliie did her best to try and talk me out of going, she flew to the top of my head as l tried to tie a knot in my tie, l was standing in front of a mirror and could see her. I put my hand up gingerly, last time she bit me but l could see her lifting a foot so l gently moved my hand and she stepped up and l put her on my shoulder. Parrots are no good at ties all they want to do is undo what you have just done up. She decided to pull a hair out of my neck but l craftily moved back to the cage and she went back with out turning a hair.
She actually said good by as l left the room (in parrot speak) When l got back home she looked shell shocked to see me and then we had brunch together, actually it is breakfast at 1 pm. She had five cornflakes dipped and shaken, l had muselli then we shared an orange she had the top and l had the bottom.
Then it was snooze time, she has this awful habit of grinding her teeth when l go to sleep so about 2.30 l made her a foot toy, She loves these and eagerly awaits each creation. l roll some millet spray about an inch in paper and stuff it into a cardboard tube some sellotape and she is as happy as a seed boy.
Then after all that affort to get the seeds she dozed off, l felt like grinding my teeth but have been bought up to know two wrongs don't make a right!. So all in all a good day was had by all.
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Bilie has this very scary game she plays on me, she sits with her beak open and wags her tongue but makes no sound and then she goes through the routine again open beak almost as it she is stretchng her beak muscles and waves her tongue. So l play along with the game the next time she openned her beak l said "Open wide Say Ah!"
We are both appalled at the amount of water coming through the roof, l have told the Landlord but he says he is waiting for a dry period so he can take the tiles off the roof to find why it is leaking into my living room. It is the constant drip drip drip which upsets Billie and me, but as this has been going on for ten years l know what the landlord is going to say the next dry period "Is the roof leaking? No? So you do not have a problem."
I had to go out this afternoon but when l got back she flew and landed on my head and then I lifted her down to the back of the chair but after a while she went back to her cage, it was a nice hallo. I was thinking that it is the way you say something that has the effect. "Ouch! That hurt!" When she bit me is said with some force, most of the time l say things like "You are a good girl." l feel she enjoys this type of reward.

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:57 pm

I have taken some photos of Billie but l do not want to down load the photo app is there some one who l can send them to on an email attachment?
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You can send them to me.



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Thank you skye-crew for the email link my tag is elefantis, l sent four photos please pick out what you think will be best. Tonight Bilile and l had a bit of telepathy between us. About 5.30 pm l asked "Are you ready for bed?" And after awhile she goes down to her perch, and l slam all the doors shut double quick in case she changes her mind and then after eating everything in sight her seed tray, the sweetcorn hanging up and then to the other food container with its fresh vegeatables, cheese, and some of my egg Quiche she let me know at 7 pm she was ready to be covered up.
But when l started to wrap the blanket around her cage she kept up a barrage of squeaks l came to the conlusion she was not ready but was asking me if l was ready to cover up. Sort of thing.
This afternoon a bald headed friend of mine arrived and she was jolly pleased to see him flapping her wings and standing on tiptoe even flying to his head but her claws are very sharp and l put out my hand and lifted her down to his shoulder, after playing with the zip on his jacket she decied to give him a love nip on the neck and of course he waved his hands at her and she flew back to the cage. But l was very pleased that she could step up onto my hand without any training.
When l worked in the pet shop l took home two love birds they sang beautifuul but l never let them out of their cage, they had a terrible bite. I also took three gerbils in a rotostat cage home and kept them in my bedroom but one day they escaped and l spent hours trying to catch them l had to move bed on its side because they dived under , l had to stuff pillows under the chest of drawers and wardrobe after four hours l was axhausted trying to catch these little gerbils so l lay down in the centre of the bedrrom with my arms out strechrd, after awhie l felt first a small furry thing climb into my hand and then the other two quickly followed.
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Skye-crew, your eamil address bounced twice once as hotamil.com and hotmail.co.uk could you send me an email to establish the link elefantis@msn.com ?
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:28 am

I apologize for it taking so long to post these photos Peter. My parents arrived today for a visit and its been very busy.

I couldn't decide which photo I liked the best so I'm posting them all :D she's a very beautiful alexandrine.

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Thank you M. for posting these for me, the first two photos were taken with Billie's old cage which was larger for her and the last two were taken with the new cage l bought for her with an open top which she adores and also with wheels which l adore! The first photo reminds me of tip toeing through the tulips.
Can you tell what age she is and whether in fact is she femaie from these photos?
Today she signalled quite clearly that the floor standing lamp in the corner was too bright for her, she stood in front of it and sqwawked it has a low energy bulb rated 23 watts and is a bit bright so l changed it for a lower watt cool bulb now she sun bathes under it. She can be quite difficult to get back into her cage out of the routine time which is 5.30 and of course with summer time ending this week end will be 4.30 pm from Sunday. But l ask her "Are you going to bed now?" And after cogitating for a few moments and a hint from me she goes down. So l slammed all the doors shut incase she changed her mind. She made me laugh tonight when she stood on her perch after acoffing everything in sight and pushed the door with her foot, so human!
I leave most of my clocks at the summer time setting which is convenient when guests arrive unexpectedly and look at the wall clock and say "Goodness is that the time already?" but catches me out sometimes when l arrive an hour too early! I read that when it gets dark early parrots sleep longer is this true for our birds?
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:44 pm

Melisa how do you get a photo on each of your posts? Is there some magic formula l tried blocking and copy and paste but no such luck. YouTube have some nice photos and sounds of IRN.
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I like the one next to the vase.
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It's attached to my signature Peter. Those are some of my birds made into a signature panel.
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MissK wrote:I like the one next to the vase.
She looks like your typical devious Alex in that one lol
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:13 pm

I'm not human until l have had two cups of coffee, what are you before two cups of coffee? A Parrot.

I have discovered a very important parrot word, if l cluck my tongue Billie flies to my shoulder and tries to feed me! This morning she was sunbathing against the new lamp bulb.

But I would still like to know if any one can say how old they think she is and is she a she?

I changed the lounge curtains from a nice floral print to some red thermal curtains they might dampen the sound of fireworks, also dug out all my winter clothes and thermals, Billie was interested and wanted to get involved in the packing of summer clothes.

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I am thinking of changing Billies name to Pearl as she has managed to bite two pearl buttons off my shirt, and today she made her way down my arm and onto the swell keyboard of my organ and as she walked on the keys the notes sounded l thought we would play a duet but she was more intersted in the shiniy lights and started to bite them. So l had to stop her and she became very cross that l would not allow her to bite the tiny light bulbs that she bit me!
About 11.30 am she started making a big noise (from Winekta) and was sitting in her place ready for breakfast but l made her wait until 1 pm for Brunch. She has been flying to the back of my chair and quite happy to let me lift her on the back of my hand but she again got quite cross when l would not allow her to unpick the stichting on the leather.
To calm her down l offered two grapes but she turned her nose up at them so l left them on anearby table, while l was out in the kitchen making brunch and it was porridge this morning she was making a dickens of a noise and it was only when l went back that l saw she had landed on the table and eaten the two grapes or some of them and left the remains on the floor. Every day she is becoming more adventuresome and l worry about it already she flies to the top of the door as l open it. I try and make sure that the rooms out side my oops her living room have closed windows.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:05 pm

But Peter, Billie holidays vivacity can be seen in your Billie. You can't change her name to pearl. That is quite boring. Although I see your reasoning with the buttons :D
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:15 pm

Thank you Melly you are right, l saw behind your blue bird a rubber tree plant OOPS! There goes another rubber tree plant
Billie has only just got used to being called Billie she used to be called Bella but l thought that too common.
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:34 pm

At dinner time tonight Billie would not go bask into her cage when l invited her to go, l think she knows the clocks went back and she had an extra hour but it was Shepherd's tonight one of our favourites. Shepherd's pie is made with Lamb and cottage pie is made with Beef. I put some meat and potato crispy in her bowl but she was more intersted in what I had on my plate and as l ate it she got more and more agitated, finally with the last spoonful gone l took my plate back to the kitchen.

I asked her again to go back in but she just stared me out so l sat down and said "Now l am going to eat yours!" She was off her perdh like greased lightning and was sitting at her bowl before l could close the cage door!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:55 pm

It must have been the night for ornery Alex's. my Cyrano wouldn't eat his dinner either. And it was his favorite...corn on the cob with egg noodles. He played with it and threw it everywhere. When he stepped on to my hand I refused to speak to him. He crawled up my arm and put his face in front of mine. He kissed me as if to say he was sorry and then he went off to play. I love that big goofy bird :D
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AJPeter wrote:OOPS! There goes another rubber tree plant
:lol:

I do so enjoy reading yours and Billies antics, you are both very amusing!
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Very whimsical.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:16 am

Aren't Peter and Billie awesome :D I think they should have their own thread. It's under the wrong heading I think. It should be called "parrot speak" after peters book :wink:
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:28 pm

Thank you for your comments, should l start a new thread? Would it include what has gone before?

How ever today l thought l would let you know of the saga of the Cuttlefish bone tango.

I put a cuttle fish bone in the cage bars but Bilie just ignorred it so l got another one and handed it to her but she just dropped it. I picked it up and broke it in half and gave it to her again but she looked at me as if l was daft and dropped it.
So l washed it in her water bowl and gave it back to her she licked it all over and yes you are right, dropped it. Now when l wake her up and remove the blankets l break off a small piece and give it to her and she crunches it like l do with a peppermint and drops it, sometimes l forget to give her a small piece of cuttle fish bone and she goes bananas well shreiks then l rememberer and all is harmony again.

"Cuttle fish bone is good for you." Or so l tell her. "You won't get kissed by the boy parrots if you don't eat your cuttle fish bone and you will become spotty." So she crunches that cuttle fish bone.

But it is not spots that worry me more over wieght, she wobbles like a duchess, how can you tell if they are too fat? Maybe is too much cuttlefish bone?

When l first got her l bought a *** swing cost £8, it hung in her old cage and she just ignorred it but l had a brain wave today on this cage she cannot reach from one side of the door frame to the other so l hung this lovely swing in the door way but after circumventiong the swing a couple of times she sat on top of her cage and shreiked. And she would not stop so l tried blowing my whistle and nearly blew my top but after awhile l stopped and asked her "What's the matter?"
She looked down at the swing and shriked so immediately l understood she did not want it in her cage and when l took it out, peace and harmony returned.

She used to love a small piece of cheese in her fresh veg bowl, and would pounce on Sugarsnap peas but recently she has gone off cheese and vegs, l put it down to the that time of the month, also l had to fight her off as l placed the top of an orange on her cage she wanted to grab it even befroe l could put it on her cage but recently she hardly looks at it, so now l give a piece of a slice of a segment of an orange and she happily sups the jucie sometime she squeezes too hard with her foot and orange juice goes all over her foot. i do the best l can to cean her foot with a sponge l let her grab the sponge while l wipe her foot, it works evertyime.

If your bird shreiks it might be a good idea to ask "What's the matter with you?" And l think birds like a change from time to time from the routine of living in a cage. The best they can hope for is a change in their diet or a new toy.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:48 pm

I think you are absolutely correct Peter...they love a change every now and again :D

Ill ask Ellie if she can take all of your other posts from here and put them in to a new thread for you.
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Ellie has done it again :)
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:54 pm

Wow thanks Ellie and Melisa, me a new boy l am deeply grateful and very humbled l will try and live up to the honour you have shown me.

Reading these post again one by Claire about training and my attitude to let Billie develop without training, she Billie not Ellie lets me lift her down from most places she is still a bit difficult about her cage and that aggression but what with her demand for a head scratch she allows me a lot more freedom to touch her within her cage area.

This morning we enjoyed breakfast together but Bilie has gone off corn flakes which is a good thing becasue they contain iron and that is bad for our IRN's Billie only ate three cornflakes dipped in water shaken not stirred and then she went to to her top perch to nibble at yesterday corn cob hanging up. I used to take the cob down when l cleaned her cage but she told me by shrieking she wanted it left up, now l know why. I was still eating my porridge but she broke off an ear and lobbed it towards me, it landed on the table about a foot away from my porridge bowl. "Missed!" I told her but the next one hit the rim of my bowl just as l finished the last spoonful l thought the better part of valour would be to make a hasty retreat.

The new cage l bought has a top openning but she sits on the edge of the cage and poops most of the time it misses her seed bowl by a millimetre, but to stop her from contaminating her bowl l folded a newspaper and placed it lower down to protect her bowl. You have never heard such a row, shreiking as if the end of the world had come. So in the end l took down the paper and there was paece in the valley again.

Some clocks in my house are on summer time and some on winter time l get really very confused and tonight I called Bilie to go bed which dutiifully did but after l had my dinner which was ghastly steamed vegeatables and a quarter can of corned beef I realized it was still only 5.30 pm. So against my better judgement l let her out.

But all was well after about 15 minutes she put her self to bed.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Peter you don't realize it...but you and Billie are training each other. :D
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:53 pm

I have written several books none are published l showed the first book to some people one a vicar who said "This is not the sort of book a Christian would write!" The other people were just as diparaging. The book is called "The Sky Children Chronicles" but has nothing top do with the skye but is about about a 14 year boy's (me) old adolescent growing pains
A bit like Adrian Mole, how ever my book has a pretend dragon called Oodles. Ooodles is short on Noodles and the only reason l mention it was to ask do parrots like noodles? Funny enough l bought some sprouted vegeatables and gave them to Billie. I asked her "What do they taste like?" And of course l knew the answer would be "Like sprouted vegeatables silly!" But she did not like them.

Biile does not like the normal parrot food, she throws monkey nuts out of her bowl, and dried red peppers, and dried fruit follow, l made for a her a fir cone stuffed with peanut butter she took one taste and shuddered. I tried honey in the next fir cone, but it got all over her foot then she dropped it double quick. She does not like pelletted food and l even splashed out on some Harriosn's stuff but not she won't eat that either, she is not very keen on sunflower seeds.

She has not been keen on apples but today she ate a slice so her taste is changes all the time. At one time she loved pomegranite seeds but has gone off those too. Mother (my mother) used to say that l was a very picky eater and at 14 l would only eat fried eggs, fried bread and bacon for breakfast dinner and tea, they do say dogs look like their owners perhaps parrtos take after us as well. Or is vice versa?

Maybe one day l shall wake up wirh a beak!

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:05 pm

You could be right Skye, she reinforces her lessons with a nip and screaming, l reinforce my lessons with love and kisses both of us achieve good results!
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:36 pm

Rip Rip Rip i have just ripped up Parrot speak because Billie bit me twice, we had got off to a good start in comunication, as l was drinking a cup of coffee she flew to my shoulder and shrieked in my ear when l looked at her she was staring at the curtains. So l could see that one curtain was blocking her view of the street. She seemed quite happy after l fixed that and she even offered her neck for a scratch but tried to bite my finger so l sat down and then she flew to the edge of her cage and shrieked at the painting of the Bridge at Bidford-upon-Avon so l grasped the nettle and assumed she wanted the mirrow back.
I got the one from the kitchen which has a nice frame and as soon as it was hung she did a Cock a doodle do in front of it so l know she was pleased to have it back. I took the other mirror down becasue she spent more time talknig to the mirror than talking to me!
I was trying to clean her cage and she was fussing about then she bit me. And then started to show off in front of the miorror, so l took it down and put the painting back. I tried to show her that kissing it better would solve the problem but she just gave me a fish eye stare.
So l sat down and played the organ she flew to the top of my head and l went to lift her down she bit my finger right on the knuckle and blood spurted out. This reminded me 30 years ago when l worked in a pet shop and the resident Macaw loved to hold your finger in his beak while he felt with his tongue for your knuckle and bit hard, he loved the taste of blood, so l had this vision that Billie would sit on my shoulder and go for the jugular and it would be the cup of grace.
After the blood stopped flowing l sat down to play again and Billie flew towards me but l waved my hand in the air and this made it clear to her that there was now no landing. She went back to her cage and sulked and l moved to the arm chair and had a md afternoon nap.
When l awoke l went over to her cage to asked her is she was sorry she bit me and she offered her neck for a scratch and made no atempt to bite me so l took this as a sorry and made her promise to be better behaved if l bought back the mirror and we rubbed noses to seal the bargain, I again hung the mirror and true to her word she has been very good, even flying to my head when l had a little play on the organ l lifted her down to my shoulder and she nibbled the zip on my pullover, we had dinner together and l noticed she kept looking at the clock and when it was 6.45 pm she asked to go to bed. So ended a day and a half, here wait a minute what's all this torn paper on floor doing there? AH! Any one got the sticky tape?
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:28 pm

Ahhh...don't rip up parrot speak!!! You'll never forgive yourself. I'm not sure if there is a limit to you're writing. I've seen threads go on for 8 pages so I don't think so.

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:11 pm

Before she got up real close and talked to her reflection, at times shreiking when she got no reply, at other times she just sat there burbling, I meant to say that when l rub her neck she purrs like a cat! Some times l look over her shoulder and she can see me in the mirror but this seems to up set her.

There is a panel on the left that says not more than 60,000 characters with five to a word that means 12,000 words, l think it is 250 words to a page so that would give 48 pages! :o :D

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:35 pm

She's in love with herself :D and she's protecting herself from you :lol: sometimes those mirrors can be tricky objects.

When you get to 48 pages we will just have to continue on with parrot speak part deux :D
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Post by Donovan » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:40 pm

some birds have their best chirping sessions in front of a mirror. Mine just touches beaks with his reflection and opens his wings a little, stretches his neck, pins his eyes, and has one single loud chirp.

A cool thing I noticed recently was him doing the same thing to his shadow on the wall.

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Some days are diamonds! :D
Me and my shadow! That's WOW Donovan thank you sharing that and do not worry skye l will be long gone before l fill up 48 pages, Today has been a good day no biting and no screaming well not much l bought a plasric bowl and l was going to put veg in it but this cage came with three bowls and the plastic bowl became surplus to requirements until l hit on the idea of putting it above her seed bowl and if she wants too poop she can poop in that. She sits on the top opening and poops but the poop is a bit close to her bowl and only missed her bowl by a millimetre however l did notice today she stuck her bottom out and so the poop cleared her bowl handsomely.
I think l should have asked her permission before l put the bowl into her cage she stared at me and sqawked several times so l took it out and it was okay after that. She let me lift her down when she flew to my head while l was playing the organ and she set out to bite all the teeth off the zip on my jumper, she made a half hearrted attempt to go down my arm but gave up when l raised my arm.
We bother tuttered as 7 Trent were digging up the road and driving their vehicles into our close. But the real change came at breakfast (1 pm) when Billie did not come to the top of the door for her cornflakes, she on ate one half and spat the other half out and she only had a lick or two of the orange. I thought she might be off colour but she eats liker a horse and at dinner time she scoffed two mange tout peas and a sugar snap pea, half a carrot slice, a bean l think it was a has bean, some brocoli, she chewed on some cabbage and sat for some time with spinach in her beak tasting it, all these were cooked! I told her mushrooms and these roots are out they bad for you and she took me at my word.
She likes to tour the bowls first seeds in one bowl then left overs in another bowl then a drink of water and then the corn cob hanging up l offered her some cuttlefish bone and she ate that too. Does any one think it might be a fantassy pregnancy? There was an apple slice in her veg bowl and she ate that but yesterday she did not touch the cheese l put in and so today I left it out.
It is a bit chilly in her corner and she likes to sit on the back of my armchair soaking up the heat from the gas fire and she came and snuggled up to my cheek which l thought was rather sweet, in the morning l give her a grape and in the afternoon l make a foot toy for her. She flies to the cage door and watches me intently as l roll up some millet spray into a corner of an envelope and sometimes l stuff this into a cardboard box but she does not like anything too difficult.
I aked her to go into her cage far too early tonight and had to open the cage door after dinner but for some time she sat in her cage sifting through her seeds but did condescent to come out but only to poop on my carpet and then she went back. And at 7 pm she called me to cover her up.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:23 pm

Breeding season is approaching Peter. It makes them act a little odd sometimes. In the wild they gorge on food all summer long. When it starts to turn cold and the food is scarce they slow down their eating and their activity. Sometime around January she will begin to feel a bit randy. :D
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Hi, have to say that I love this thread. I think that Peter is a real bird whisperer! :D :D :D
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:28 pm

Randy? Well thank you Alphawolf for your kind remarks and as for randy in January Skye l think Billie has started early l caught her swooning in front of the mirrow this morning, like a snake in a trance she was thinking of Turkish delight.
This is when the bored typist in an office dreams that a young hansdsome turk will ride up on his black stallion and whisk her away on his horse to a new life. The only time l have shared a horse was with my sister when her nappies hung on one side and my tee shitrts on the other side of the clothes horse in front of the living room fire. Where we we?
Oh yes! Turkish delight, l wanted to stroke Billie but all she could see were her own relfection and this handsome young green parrot and my finger so she egged him to have go at my finger, so l hastily with drew my offer.
We had a lovely time together before l had to go out and when l got back it was time for breakfast. Yesterday she turned up her nose at cornflakes but she came and sat on top of her door so l thought she wanted to try again, l fed her three dipped and shaken but not stirred cornflakes but on the last she looked over her shoulder at the reflection and bit me again. No provocation!
The last time she bit me l told her that the next would be the last she would see of her mirror, because in the three days it has been hanging up she has bitten me three times drawing blood on two occaisons, this time l was so shocked l took my porridge out into the kitchen and l could hear her crowing, then l went back and took the orange as well now she was grinning on the other side of her face, but when l came back and took the mirror and replaced it with the picture of the bridge too far it was me that was crowing. Now l know why they are called wring necks because people feel like wringing their necks! Sometimes.
Neither of us said a word to each other all afternoon but at dinner time but when l started to lay out the table she asked me very nicely if she could have the mirror back and when l said no she was very upset if looks could kill than l would be dead by now! However when l dished up the dinner she sat very close on her cage door and wanted to share off my plate first a cooked carrot that was too hot too handle and then all sorts of vergeatables all steamed, some she ate and some she spat out, it is a good job l put newspaper on the floor because it was beginnig to look worse than the baazar in Calcutta which was known as the black hole.
I left her out for as long as l could but at 6.45 pm l said "Ready or not Bed!" And she meekly went in.
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:08 pm

i have been reading the posts on biting all over again and maybe it is me that is at fault to have a corn flake stuffed up your nose can be very threatening, but even so although l like the mirrow in her corner as it brightens up a dark area l am glad l have taken it out and put back my painting.
The critical test will be in the next three days is she bites me three time drawing blood tiwce then l will know it is not the mirror and she can have it back but if on the other hand peace and tranquilty return the bridge will remain. Sort of thing.
I am a bit confused by all this negative and positive stuff there is nothing like plain language at least l know where l stand and l am sure she does as well. It is not what is said but the way it said that matters.
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:39 pm

This morning Bilie asked me very nicely if she could have the mirror back and l steeled my heart and said No! So we had a battle royal she gave me a half nelson. "Thanks!" And a chinese burn "WOW" but when she offered a triple thumb screw l had a rear guard action. When a l got back l capitulated. We agreed she could have her mirror back on conditon she did not bite me well not until the next time, we aslo agreed that she would not eat her food outside the cage unless l fed her when whe was outside the cage and then it would be my fault if she dopped the left overs on the floor.
She has been very good all day flyiing several times to my shoulder but it was very noticeable that her cage aggression had increased she would not allow me to stroke her in the cage area. Do other people find their birds are more aggressive with a mirror near by?
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:07 pm

It's usually preferable to keep fingers away from their mouths :D

Mirrors often cause cage aggression. Especially if she assumes she's protecting a cage mate. I think you may have to be a bit stronger and say no to Billie. She will just have to get used to her bridge scene :mrgreen:
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Post by MissK » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:53 pm

Hi AJ,
I am a bit confused by all this negative and positive stuff there is nothing like plain language at least l know where l stand and l am sure she does as well. It is not what is said but the way it said that matters.
I've taken the liberty of posting a link to a Wiki article on Operant Conditioning that I did not actually bother to read. It looks fine as I skimmed it. I think this will help you, as well as others, get a grip on "all this negative and positive stuff"! :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:00 pm

That is a bit too high brow for me MissK and thank you Melisa, but Billie and l had had an interesting day. l do think that in some ways you are right Billie's cage aggression has increased alarmingly but she sat on the cage door out of sight of the mirror and enjoyed some corn flakes and some fresh orange. Then I went out to Church and crept back in when l got back home and found Billie was talking to her mirror, however later she flew to the back of my chair and enjoyed a neck scratch there. She had a few treats a grape and a foot toy which she took graciously from her cage door.
She tried to have a bath in her water cup but it is even smaller than her previous cage l have put a dish on the grid in her cage and and she condescended to stand in it but she persists in trying to get water out of her water bowl. Of course l spray her. I bought some Johnson's tree oil it smells lovely she gets a squirt of that after her water spray. I did not use the hair drier becasue the novelty of it has worn off.
I cooked our favourite meal Shepherd's pie and put some in her bowl a few tidbits, also some fresh veg and corn cob hanging up. She attacked my hand when l put the corn cob into her cage but scratching one end of her perch she ran to attack my hand there and quickly l hung the corn cob up on the opposite side of the cage, we had a little game where l scratched on end of her perch and she ran to attack my hand and l dropped that out of sight while l scratched the other end of her perch and of course she ran back soon the was runing back forth l am sure she burnt off a lot of calories as she has lately looked a little plump.
She sat on her door while l ate my dinner and it is only about 6 inches from my shoulder she watched intently as each spponful went my way and then she reached out and sat on my shoulder so she could be closer to the action. If she coud she would have eaten off my spoon but l kept my head turned, but as l got to the end on my plate she became quite agitated and started to tut and then it was gone and she had none.
I had not put her way at the usual time and l was a bit worried she would play up but she went in when l asked her with no problem and tried the food in all the bowls before letting me know at 7 pm she wanted to go to sleep and be covered up. So it has been a good day, no biting no screaming, a neck scratch given, a flypast and sitting on my head and allowing me to lift her down onto my shoulder. And all with out positive or negative training!
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:37 pm

Aj, the really interesting thing about "training" is that in every interaction between you and Billie you are unconciously sending her signals that reinforce or decrease the behaviour she is showing at the time. She learns what she can do to obtain the result she wants whether you are trying to teach it to her or not.
Every interaction tells the bird something.
There are many things that encourage a parrot besides food, I think Nila likes hearing laughter as he tends to repeat interactions we have that result in me laughing. He also laughs when my boyfriend and I are telling each other funny stories and laughing ourselves and that makes us laugh harder.

The flip side is that unconcious reinforcement can be why behaviours like screaming and agression seems to commonly become a "problem" in pet parrots.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:59 pm

Hi AJPeter

As Claire said, you are always "training" your bird with every interaction and you are using the various forms of training mentioned whether you are doing it unconsciously or consciously... just as your bird is constantly "training" you. I'm sorry if the theory seems a bit scary. I'm not very competent with the terminology myself, I do find it confusing. However, the idea is that it gives you a language that can help you understand your interactions with your bird. I possibly shouldn't have introduced it into the conversation when I did as it seems like it may have confused more than it helped...
AJPeter wrote:she ran back soon the was runing back forth l am sure she burnt off a lot of calories as she has lately looked a little plump.
I don't think you can tell whether a bird is "plump" by looking at them because they sometimes ruffle up their feathers and that makes them look bigger. Our vet said that it is very rare for parrots to overeat, they will just eat the wrong foods if you give them too much stuff that is high and fat or sugar. We found an escaped pet Alexandrine earlier in the year and he looked quite fat to me. We caught him and took him to a vet who said that he was actually quite thin... he hadn't eaten in some time.
AJPeter wrote: She attacked my hand when l put the corn cob into her cage but scratching one end of her perch she ran to attack my hand there and quickly l hung the corn cob up on the opposite side of the cage, we had a little game where l scratched on end of her perch and she ran to attack my hand and l dropped that out of sight while l scratched the other end of her perch
My personal opinion is that it is a good idea to try to minimise/remove interactions where your bird is trying to attack you. Mine will occasionally try to attack me when I'm putting their food in their cage but I've got a few strategies I use to try and avoid it. Let me know if you'd like more information. MissK has managed to get Rocky completely comfortable with her doing things in his cage. I'm not quite at that level but we don't get too much conflict over cage territoriality any more.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:50 pm

Peter...next time she runs at you on the perch, scratch the other end and hold a piece of her favorite food there. That should keep her busy long enough to hang her corn :wink:
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:24 pm

Thank you Claire Ellie and Melisa for you comments. Do not fret Claire just as our birds interrect with us so we are interreacting with each other l think the thing l object to is training with treats although l accept that l train with kind words, and Billie is less agreesive today than yesterday, twice she sat on top of her door and asked me to scratch her neck
and also once she allowed me to scratch her neck as she sat on the door when l asked.
But the thrill today has been that Billie decided to explore the table next to her cage and stepped on a news paper that was hanging over the edge of the table with nothing to support her weight she had a tumble and fled screeching back to the top of her cage. I put my arm out close to her and she showed she was willing to step up by lifting a foot and she came on my arm and ran up to snuggle up to my cheek. She bit my arm last week when l tried that move.
The other thrill was when she came to the back of my chair and wanted a neck scratch but also some where new to poop!
she flew to my shoulder as l played the organ and bit the remaining teeth off the zip on my jumper she did not try and go down my arm but got bored and went back to her cage.
We had Chicken pie and chips with froz vegs tonight and l fed her with items on a tea spoon, She is getting very civilised!
You do not get much chicken in supermarket pies and l got even less as she showed quite a liking for chicken, she did not want chips or pastry, and she liked the cooked corn and peas.
She spun out the bed time for as long she could everytime l looked at her she was watching the TV! She ate everything in sight even dragged sugar snap peas up to her top perch, but eventually at 7.30pm, she called it a day and let me know she wanted to be covered up. It is going to be quite cold tonight 36f so l have left the gas fire on low in the Living room.
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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:49 pm

Well done on her stepping up onto your arm. I wish you continued success with her. Nice that she appreciates your organ music too - even though she eventually gets bored. My Charlie doesn't like it when I'm focussing on something other than him, he tends to give me a nip when I read or something just to tell me he wants my attention. :)

Does anyone know anything about bird safety with gas heaters? I live in a warm climate so I don't own one myself.

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Post by MissK » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:27 pm

I have to assume they need to be properly vented to the outside, but that's best for people as well. There are some fancy ones that say they don't have to vent, but I don't know how they would manage that. It would seem suspicious and birdie questionable if it were that kind.

I can say that electric space heaters have been considered a no-no for that teflon stuff inside them. I do have an old one I use sometimes, and no bad things have happened, but it IS a small one, well used before birds came here, and I put it in a different room.

AJ, make sure your gas fire vent has a good draw, not blocked or anything.
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:07 pm

Funny enough l was going to ask about Halogen bar electric fires if they are safe as l double upon the heating.
My landlord is a housing associatioon and the rules are very strict all gas fires have to be checked annually, and he has temporarily fixed the leaking roof it will have to be properly looked at in the summer. Billie has to put up with the drip drip
She was on her todd all morning as l did the weekly shopping today. l left her out but she has not done any damage or pooped in places other than her cage. As soon as l got home she dived into her seed bowl as if there as no tomorrow. Is it not amazing as soon as the shops hang up the "Merry Christmas" signs they double the prices, last week corn cob was a £1 for two sticks and this week it is £1.75!
We had breakfast together she ate 5 corn flakes dipped but not shaken and some fresh orange but when she squeezed the segment too hard the juice ran over her foot and she dropped it pronto. Again she allowed me to give her a neck scratch several times on the cage door although she still is agressive on the top perch. She wanted to share my dinner and sampled all the greens spinach was spat out and the cabbage never got a sniff but she liked the cooked carrot and sugar snap peas. She went in voluntarily at 6.30 and sampled the seed bowl the fresh veg and fruit bowl, the corn cob hanging up then round again. It makes me laugh the number of times she goes round scoffing from each bowl.
Today has been a good day no biting and not much screaming. When she gets on the top of her cage in the mornings l shout "Cock a doodle do!" but she does not understand and starts screeching. My neighbours say they can hear her in the street, it a good job they cannot hear me!
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:13 pm

I was treated today to see a special dance Billie did, she started at one end of the top perch and in sight of the mirror she crouched and ran along the perch with her wings flapping when she got to the end she stood on tip to and stretched her neck up, then she ran back crouched but with out the wing flapping. again when she got to the end of the perch she stood on tip toe before going through the dance again but this time when she got to the end of the perch she saw me looking and pretended that nothing had happened.
After l had cleaned her cage and vacuumed the floor l offered her a water spray but she was not interested. l had to dash down to the doctor to pick up a prescription and when l got back she was trying to have a dip in her water bowl it is only 2" wide l put the grid into her cage and put on it a white cooking utensil, with warm water but she totally ignnorred it and continued to try and skinny dip in her water bowl so l put a sugar free polo mint in the water. She would do anything for a polo but they are bad for her so l do not give her any very often. I showed her the polo before l dropped it into the water and she came down l thought she would get in but oh no she could not reach it with her beak as the water was too deep and it was to far from the edge so she used her brain by hanging on to the bars with her beak she was able to put her foot in the water and reach the polo quickly she picked it up in her foot and transfered it her beak and and then climbed the up the bars to eat it. The mint was wet and is so hard she can only chip bits off it but now she could lick it all over and over and over again. In the end she dropped it.
Then l moved her cage so l could spray her without hitting any electrical items and when she no longer tried to dip in her water bowl l gave her a couple of squirts of Super Plume a tree oil spray.
Later as l was trying to to attach her corn on the cob to the bars of her cage my arm was above her and she reached up and bit my arm l was so startled l pulled my arm back and she still had my jumper in her beak and she was left hanging but she quickly let got and flew back to her cage screeching, that was my fault for taking liberties. We were both startled by this episode. She spun out the going to bed for as long as she could but in the end she had to go in to eat and l slammed all the doors shut. Eventually at 7.30 she was whacked out and wanted to be covered up.
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My mother always says to put some little leaf in the water to entice them. Works for Canaries.....
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:25 pm

NAG NAG NAG Billie has had me running all over the place this morning first the drapes were not tied in the middle then then the mirror was leaning (on a lamp post) and then the net or lace curtains were not pulled back far enough, then she complained that the cage was crooked and the last straw was Why are you not playing the organ?"
And when l sat down she flew to my head and l lifted her down to my shoulder she has exhausted the destruction of the zip on my jumper and set about to go down my arm and have a go at the twinkling lights on the console when the gardeners started their lawn mowers under our window and Bille flew back to her cage and was trembling she went down inside the cage and when l reached over the top she allowed me to scratch her neck normally this is a no go area.
I went back to the organ and she flew to my shoulder and sat snuggled up against my cheek. She sat there for nearly two hours, she seemed to be listening to my version of rock and roll. Some l sang to the words but since l am tone deaf it was not very muisical but she reached round and kissed me on the lips which l thought was very sweet.
She flew back to her cage and l could hear her poop, and l went out to the kitchen to make a coffee and had a quick look to see is she had pooped on my jumper. No she had not!
After a few more tunes she started a song and dance of her own and l realized she wanted breakfast to be served, the usual. she had corn flakes hand fed l had porridge then we shared an orange l gave her some with the peel still attached and she appreciated this as she did not get the juice all over her foot. But l think she has gone off orange and only takes a segment to please me!
After brunch it was time for a doze and about an hour later l awoke and she still had her head tucked under he wing but as soon as l moved she was awake so it was nearly time to make her a foot toy. But first l phoned an avian vet and asked how much will it cost to to her nails cut? £55 but you get you get a free check up as well and have to make an appointment. So it was agreed that as soon as l had found a travelling box l would come with her. The vet is at least 15 miles away so it will be in a cab unless l uses shank's pony I looked at Northern parrots to see how much their travelling boxes were £139 that is more then l paid for her cage! However l saw in a parrot book that a cat box was being used for an amazon and if that is good enough for an amazon then it is good enough for my Billie. It will cost £14, there are so many bills to paid she will have to wait until the new year for her pedicare, unless she allows me to use my nail clippers! Unlikely!!
I found that her box with all the bits for foot toys was nearly empty so l shall have to go and get some more millet seed
tmorrow l might get a cat box a the same time then will come the fun and games to get her to go inside. But on the other claw l might ration out the remaing millet and wait until tuesday the main shopping day.
I prepared for her a dish of her own with fresh vegs and grapes, but she climbed down the cage and onto my arm to get at my cooked food in a bowl l pushed some to the edge and allowed her to eat there, l have this funny feeling l will wake up inside a cage while she is scoffing my porridge. She put herself in and about 40 mins later having eaten everything in sight including some pretend porridge she asker to be covered up.
By the way MissK is that any leaf in her bath water? Do you think l could blind fiold her and lead her up the garden path right into the box?
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Post by MissK » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:59 pm

My mother always uses a dandelion leaf, but whatever the bird likes should do. :) For getting her into the box, it will be hard until she gets used to it. You might have to just stuff her in if it is critical she go. That would be bad, so only if it *is* critical she goes in. But, meanwhile you can make a game of her going into the box to get some fabulous treat so she can get used to it.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:18 pm

Maybe you can play a game of hide the foot toy and see if she'll go in after it :D
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:07 pm

Yes that is a good idea Melisa, l bought the cat travelling box it is ideal Billie watched me put it together she was very interested but would not go near it so l left it on the table near her cage, but she started to get etchy about it being there but l told her it was here to stay and l explained that l would put her in it when l took her to the vets.
This moring she allowed me to stroke her sitting on my arm and l put hand round her wings and gave a squeeze she seemed to like that so l pushed my thumb under her wing and gave her a tickle l thought she was laughing but it was a bridge too far and l got a nip for my inpudence.
Dinner time came and she sampled all my cooked food swede seemed to go down well l left her out and she became more and more difficult screeching l thought she wanted to go to bed l went to take the top perch out and she tried to bite so l had her runnng from each end of the perch to the other. She stood in the centre ready to move quickly the end l was going to move, so l called a truce and offered my nose for a nose rub and she bit my nose. Still it was my fault l sat down and ignorred her screeching and after awhile she went in and l could dismantle the top perch and close up the cage.
Quiite late at 8 15 she wanted to be covered up.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:52 pm

I take my birds to the vet in cat carriers too. :D

I've been bitten across the nose by my bird when he was young so I know how you feel. Remember to watch her body language before you sacrifice body parts :lol:
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:49 pm

Yes that is something to remember er l have forgotten your name, it will come to me soon Missyloo l have been playing rock and roll all day. Billie likes rock and roll but does not dance do your birds dance? Can IRNs hear the beat?
Bilie has been good all day especially after her late night now she called for a head scratch every where on my arm in my chair was a good place and l was allowed to stroke her under her wing, and under her beak but the best stroke was on the top of her cage when l used two fingers on each side of her neck she is becoming very trusting and allows me to sqeeze her wings together. I hope this in preparation for when we visit the vet some how l have to get her into the cat box!
I tried a cloth to see if she would allow me to circle her with it but not yet. I have left millet spray in the door way but she does not seem to be interested in that. Do hens make nests?
A funny thing happened this afternoon when l made her toy l just put the millets spray into a wrap of papper and gave it to her but eating some of the spray she dropped it, thinking that it thad slipped out of her grasp l picked it up and gave it back to her but she just dropped it again so l got a paper bag and some card board and made a more complicated toy and she spent a lot of time stripping the card board and paper before getting to the millet spray. I must find something she likes soon as l think she is going off millet spray.
I looked in the pet shop to see if l could buy her a made toy but there was nothing suitable however l am thinking of buying her a soft toy in the shape of a dog to see if she would cuddle up to it. Dinner time she ate cooked peas some rice turned her nose up at beef, some swede and carrot all cooked from a tea spoon she came down my arm but was droppign food on me so l shooed her back to the door, after dinner was over and about 7 pm l closed down the
top of the cage and had to keep my fingers well away from her beak she had a wicked grin on her face so l am not sure whether she sees this as some sort of game. But when she went in l closed her door and she toured the bowls eating from each in turn l kept looking at her and she was watching the TV a David Attenborough film on snakes kept her attenti9on but l thought it was gettingtoo too grueomse when a snake ate a baby bird so switched channels but just before l did l thought she had her eyes closed but it was only a little while she wanted to covered up at 8.30. And so ended a good day. She is developing dark lines above her eyes maybe it is all these late nights!

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Who's been eating my porridge?
Billie knew something was up when l got dressed in the Living Room. "No peeking" l told her but a nod is as good as a wink to a parrot any day. She made a big fuss flying to my head as l struggled into a vest and then she almost disappeared down the sleeve of my shirt, but as she balanced on my head l was able to pull on some trousers then she helped me tie my tie and discovered she could have a crafty bite at one of my pearl buttons then l played the organ and she came and sat on my shoulder, but eventuually it was time to go and she gave one last despairing screech which broke my heart and that was that.
I forgot to put the radio one for her and when l got back she was ever so pleased to see me, flying to my head with screeching l thought my time was up, and we settled down to breakfast she had 7 cornflakes while l ate my porridge and then we shared an orange she likes me to leave the peel on her segment something to hold without getting her foot all sticky.
After a doze and she has given up her ghastly teeth grinding it was toy time today l made a more elaborate toy and she spent 15 minutes trying to get to the seeds. She called me to give her a scratch inside her cage and she loved the tickly under the arm. Then l sat down for a well earned rest until l saw her trying to get a bath in her drinking bowl so l took it out and splashed the water in the bathing pool actually it is the top of a glass cassserole dish l took Miis K 's advice and put a leaf in the water. Bille went to have a bath on her drinking water only to find it was not there she made me laugh as she put her head through the restraining hoop but when she heard me splashing the water below her she came down to investigate.
she put her head in the water and felt the bottom from various angles and found the leaf which she pulled out daintily and dropped it between the bars of the grid, then she stood in the water, I was trying to show her how to sit in the water and splash herself but l got a wet bootom. She was more interstesd in my antics than washing.
She went back to her drinking bowl so l got the spray gun out and began squiting her but she kept runnung away but l cornered her in the top of the cage and she turned and tried to bite the end of the spray so l sort of realized that today was not a good spray day.
Then it was time to get the shepherd's pie ready, we both love this but l get very disorganised at times. I bought the shepherds pie in steaming hot and put it on table next to her cage then something on the hob started to yell and l dashed out into the kitchen to quell a mutiny and when l got back Billie was sitting in my chair eating my porridge! Actually she was standing at the edge of my plate tryingto eat shepherds pie but i was too hot for her. What a nerve!
I tried shooing her away and l then tried shouting and l tried to put my hand under her feet but she knew she was onto a good thing and would not budge so l picked her up and plonked her on her cage, this only the third time l have picked her up the first time was early on when she missed the disatance to my chair and ended end up on the floor and she bit me then she tried to land ont op of the door as l went out and missed and flew on into the kitchen and landed on the floor and again l picked her up and again she bit me, but this time all she did was wriggle like mad. "Naughty" I said to her.
She came and sat on the cage door and counted ever spoonful l put into my gob, l relented and gave her pie crust and some peas and sweet corn and some lamb in a tea speen but she was not keen on that. (The lamb not the tea spoon!) When l had finished she looked disappopinted so l invited her to lick the plate but she declined.
Again she gave me the run around at bed time up and down in and out, she had me pegging the blanket round her cage and then changing her mind it was 9 pm before she wanted to be covered up, what time do people put their birds to bed?
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How can l protect Billie from Giarda?
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Post by ellieelectrons » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:28 pm

Hi AJPeter

You can find information on Giardia here:
http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/giardia.html

The articles says, "Providing your bird with a secure environment, feeding a balanced, nutritious diet and using a water bottle will help prevent reoccurrence of problems. Excellent sanitation and husbandry practices must be employed, as well. Exposure to droppings should be minimized. A grate at the bottom of the cage should be used. Spraying the grate with non-stick cooking spray (PAM) will allow droppings to slide off the grate and into the bottom of the cage."

I let my birds go to bed as the sun goes down. I leave all of the lights off in the house until they have put themselves to bed. Then I cover them and we can use our lights. That works for us but I know lots of people let their birds stay up later than that, and I don't have a problem with that either. The other day I was out for the afternoon, so I woke them up when I got home in the early evening and let them have a little while out of the cage before putting them to bed again.


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Post by MissK » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:54 pm

This really got my attention:
Spraying the grate with non-stick cooking spray (PAM) will allow droppings to slide off the grate and into the bottom of the cage.
Ellie, can you think of any reason it would be not good for Rocky to run around on cooking spray and get it all over his feet and tail? He loves to run around on the floor chasing his toys and accessing his bathtub. I can't think that would be good on his tail? It would be delightful to see a non-stick grate. On the other hand, I'm not really happy with any build-up of gunk in my kitchen.

Has anybody tried this?
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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:44 am

Hi MissK, AJPeters and everyone

Firstly, let me preface my comments by saying I seem to be having a more-so-than-usual off-day today (at least if the following thread is anything to go by: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18241&p=105509)... I pasted the comment from a website talking about Giardia as per AJPeters question. Personally, I don't know anything about Giardia; I just try to keep my bird's water dish as clean as possible and not have any perches over the top of it to try to avoid them pooping in it.

MissK, I also thought the cooking spray suggestion was a bit weird and I'm not planning to try it. I'm not sure it would do too much harm although they could possibly decide to eat it and eating that much fat wouldn't be good for them. Many years ago, when Janey got her head stuck between some bars in her travel crate, we tried oil on her neck to get her out and she started eating it, so I could imagine that a bird crawling around on the grate coated in cooking oil will ingest it. Certainly you wouldn't want your bird to get too much oil on its feathers.

I also don't use the grate in the bottom of my cage. My birds don't spend much time on the bottom of the cage (although they do spend some time there) and I just let them walk around on the newspaper at the bottom of the cage.

I also don't really like the suggestion of a water bottle. I like my birds to have access to a bath at all times, I don't feel that I should dictate when they should take a bath... and if you have a bath for them then they will drink out of it even if you don't want them to, so for me the water bottle is redundant.

I found the information on Giardia using a Google search but I also thought that the website http://www.exoticpetvet.net/ was one that I'd used before for other information and I had deemed it credible in the past... looking at their home page now, it's not the site I thought it was. However the front page does claim that the site is " written by a board certified avian veterinarian with 25 years of experience with these exotic species".

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Post by InTheAir » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:01 am

I don't like grates either! I put paper on top of it. Nila doesn't like grates, he likes flat surfaces when he goes to ground level.
Exotic pet vet has some weird advice, I've been over that site.

Aj: Nila likes to join us in the shower, he sits on the screen and if he wants to get wet he moves to where the water is. Same with the spray bottle, we spray it to the part of the cage he isn't in and if he wants to get wet he comes to it. If he doesn't we give up. He also has a bathtub, but he usually prefers a shower. He gets really annoyed if you take the water away before he is done! Sometimes he flies to the bathroom and does his "want" squawk to get us to turn the shower on for him.

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Post by MissK » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:30 am

I put paper over the Canary's grate because I could see him otherwise breaking a leg. I put a piece of paper under the Budgies' sleep perch, and it sometimes moves. I tried putting paper under Rocky's sleep perch, but it moved like it had a mind of it's own...and feet...and a shiny red convertible!

In the name of research I'm going to spray a little corner of the grate under Rocky's sleeping area. I don't see him walk over that, perhaps because it really is in the corner and he has plenty of other running room. Will make a report later unless I forget. I am, um, quite likely to forget to report (and even that I sprayed it....) so give me a kick in the pants if you don't hear back soonish.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:17 pm

Thank you Ellie that article on Gardia was very helpful l have printed it out for future reference, l have a cage where the top opens out and Billie loves that but it over hangs her water bowl and seed bowl. I tried putting a slip of paper under the wing but Billie just pulls it out. I did notice that when she is sitting on the wing she carefully leans out when she poops but l check her water and seed bowl every day for contamination.
When l first got her l bought a plastic water bottle but she was hell bent on destruction so l bought a rabbit glass bottle with stainless steel tube. Clean water is essential for all animals, when l worked in the pet shop we had youngsters clenaing cages and putting fresh food in but often they missed changing the water!
Thank you MissK for that idea of covering the grid with paper l get oodles of free newspapers from the buses, l will try covering the gird, l only put the grid in to balance the bath bowl on. Billie never goes down to the lower level even when l first got her she very carelly reached down to pick something up from the bottom of the cage.
Bille has a new game called fingers well that is what l call it after a good scratch and she allows me to cup my hand over her head but she wants to sit on the back of my hand and feel all the nooks and cranies of my fingers with her tongue she also gently pull the fold of skin over my knuckles all the time she weaving side to side and bobbing back and forth.
I turned my hand over so she could sit in my palm but she reached up and pulled my hand over l am wondering is this a prelude to feeding my hand? She was sitting on my shoulder as l played the organ this morning and started to poke around in my ear canal, she even put the boot in until l objected.
It was quite funny this evening she was in feeding and l crept up and started to close the top first you have to take the perch out and by then she is up and making strong objections to my closing the doors, but l managed to get one side down and as l moved the other side she ran up and bit me on the arm.
I screamed and starteds to say "Kiss it better" She was quite amused and looked concerned l thought for one minute she was actually going to kiss it better but she slid back down with out a concern in the world when l say slid she holds the bars and slides down itis quite comical. I need to keep to a regular time for putting her in, but when she wants to be covered is up to her, she sqwarks when she is ready.
Before l had Billie l hardly ever talked to myself but since she came l have done nothing but talk talk talk! She is Jolly good company and so say all of us (that includes the soft toys Barney and Douglas).
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Help! l have the dreaded lurgi, but first l must tell you how clever Billie is this mornung l started to clean her cage with a sponge and when l have done one bit l tap the cage with my finger as a signal for her to move, but this morning she flew to my chair and l was able to clean the whole cage without her grabbing the sponge or biting me.
I had to go shopping but when l got back she was so excited at seeing me she caught her foor in the door of the cage and then she landed on my shoulder and cuddled up close. I was so pleased at this reception l took her round and showed her the whole flat parts she had never seen "Here is the bath room, and here is the bedroom where l sleep, and here is the kitchen this door leads to the top of the stairs."
She enjoyed her tour so much l let her sit on my shoulder while l unpacked the shopping trolley. She was very interested in the contents of the fridge, l showed the upstairs cupboard which was dark but where the potatoes are stored but all of a sudden something frightened her and she flew to the top of the door so l thought it best to take her into the LR where she lives.
I gad a little play on the organ and Billie sat on my shoulder, she decided l needed surgery in my ear and pulled all the wax out and some of my ear as well, She had to get a good grip so clung to my ear with one foot while she pulled some hairs out. Judging form the pain she thought my ear lobe was something l would not miss. But when l thought l could take no more she flew back to her cage for a poop, she is good liike that. Back in the days of the pet shop she Charlie the shop Macaw would sit on my shoulder and hop up and down to let me know he was about to poop and then he would poke his bottom out so the poop did not go down my back.
After breakfast and Billie had 7 cornflakes shaken not stirred but she only had a little of the orange then it was time for a snooze, afterwards l made a foot toy for her but she is getting bored with the millet spray. While out shopping l saw these nuts that were so cold they were shivering in their shells, so l gave Biilie some and she dropped them all so l had to hit them with a hammer as l have no idea where the nut crackers are, that was a bit disappointing as l thought they would make good foot toy fillers.
Then l relaxed in front of the TV and she flew to my chair and l lifted her down and she started the finger game, she prefers to sit on the back of my hand and her little claws dig into my skin so when she grew tired of this game and went back to her cage l saw that my hands had this rash it looked ugly. I put some antihistamine cream on but it itched abonimbly so l phoned the doctor to make an appointment l told the receptioist that l had the dreaded lurgi and she said "Thursday 4.50." But after rubbing some Germolene a healing ointment in the wheals went down so l phoned the doctor and cancelled my appointment.
Then the men came to look at my roof they decided to leave it for another day and then it was time for dinner. I bought egg noodles and cooked a few to see how she would take to them. She took one look and threw them over the side.
Also l bought some small tomatoes and she loved one l gave her and then l had misgivings can they have tomatoes?
Are tomatoes all right for our birds?
After dinner it was the news and that terrible huricane in the Philopines. About seven she was snacking inside her cage so l crept up (I'm an awful creep!) and closed the top of her cage, Billie was so shocked she sat on the door with her back to me and sulked. "People who sulk get a large doze of Cod Liver oil." l told her but she said it was bad for her. I took pity on the little IRN and opened the top up. She deigned to turn round but if looks could kiill would not be here now. About 8 she called for her blanket and l shut all the doors and said Good night Billie.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:51 pm

I'm shocked she wouldn't eat the egg noodles. My Cyrano loves them. Tomatoes are not too good for them..you are correct. Too much acid for their little tummies. And what in the world is the lurgi???
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The dreaded Lurgi is when you feel ill and cannot put your finger on the reason why. Like today we have had a bad hair day. This morning went quite well l uncovered Billie and she looked like death warmed up so l left her to sort herself out and got on with making coffee and clearing up. When l came back she was sitting on my chair back warming her bottom on the gas fire.
She got really upset when the roof man came for another look and l went out side to speak to him l could hear her calling out. I noticed that she had eaten the flesh of a tomato l left in fresh fruit bowl last night but l cleaned her cage without too much dificulty and then sat down to play the organ she came to my shoulder and decided l needed more operations on my ear, but most of the time she just sat close to me. At brunch she ate her corn flakes but only half of the orange. Then l had a doze while she ground her beak, but then it was her turn to have a doze. Afterwards l made a foot toy but she dropped it but when l offered it to her gain she pushed it away.
She had another doze on the perch and did not look well, she has pooped a lot today but it looked all right a little runny but l am not the sort of chap who is a chap who looks into bird droppings. At dinner time she wanted to eat the egg noodles but each time she picked one up it broke and she did not get much she wanted me to spoon feed her but l wanted to eat my dinner so l invited her down to my table but she declined to come. I cleared away the cooked vegs l had made for her and she was dozing on the door again.
But as l sat down to watch TV she perked up and scoffed her food food inside the cage l should have locked her in then but l thought it was too early. She came out and started to doze on the door again, l know she had a late night last night it was 8.30 before she wanted to be covered up. I sat next to her and she had a neck scratch but she tried to bite me so l just invited her to go in and she decided she had had enough nagging for one day and went in. But she was back to her old self touring the bowls there was no Corn hanging up becuase the last few days she has not touched it and so l did not buy any more. But at 7 pm she called to be covered up. I am thinking that her bad hair day might have been triggered by that tomato, So we shall see what tiomorrow brings.
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Egg noodles are back on the menu. There was some in her fresh fruit and veg bowl congealing and l went to throw it out and Billie got quite cross so l had to put it back last thing this evening she was tucking in so she like egg noodles.
I am still bewildered by the finger game she plays. She sits on the back of my hand licking my fingers and holdiing gently to the fold of the skin all the while she is rocking back and forth. She wont let me stroke her neck or under belly and if l try she reaches out with a foot to quell the mutiny. The only down side is that l break out into dermatis a skin blistering which responds to various creams but l shall have to limit her game.
This morning when l got her up l was ever so pleased to see she had returned to full health her cage agression was spot on. She flew to my shoulder several times as l was l going out of the door, l do not think she likes being taken into other rooms she just wants me to stay.
She sat on my sholulder as l played the organ and actually sang to one of the tunes. I can see it all now "Billie the renowed singing parrot and her accompanist" Except l cannot spell but you get the right idea. She was sitting on the top of her cage this eveining dozing so l told her "You ought to go to bed." But she told mer she was watching the TV. "You cannot watch TV with your head under your wing|" There was no answer to that so she went in and toured the bowls.
At 7.15 she called to be covered up.
I sat wtaching the TV with head phones but l could her grinding her teeth so l saved the program and came in here.
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Egg noodles are off the menu, they do not keep well and after three days in the fridge they started to revolt and sitting in Billies fresh veg bowl all morning l was about to revolt over the smell. When l go shopping next week l shall buy some pot noodles to see how they keep all you have to do is pour boiling water on them stir and wait 5 mins and they are ready Billie wiil not want a whole pot so l hope to break some off and cook them in parts. Personally l think they are disgusitng.
I was quite pleased to day, a perch made of Java wood which l bought from the pet shop for £25, 3 months ago has a lot of twiddly bits and the only time l could get Billie to put a claw on it was when l hung the corn cob close by. But today she sat on a large branch and a then small branch, but her favourite perch is quite narrow and l saved it from the previous cage.
The vets is about an hour by public transport and 150 metre walk, the bus stop going is right out side my house and coming back 150 metres up the road. Would l need to put a seed bowl and water bottle in the cat litter box? I am planning on takling her next year in the spring perhaps after her moult for nail clipping and a check up.
When she comes to my chair and sits in my lap she has a good neck and head rub she is not keen on a scratch and l cup my hand over her head all in preparation for that time l have to take her to the vets. I plan on wrapping her in a towel and stuffing her into the cat box. But the best laid plans of mice and men can be wrought to nothing by a cunning parrot.
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Post by MissK » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:08 pm

AJ, with a few months you should have time to come to some sort of agreement with her. If at all possible, let her learn to walk into it on her own, after a lure, and give her the moon when you shut the door.
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:36 pm

I like that idea Miss K l did have the box on the table so she could get used to it being there but l found it to be an awful nuisance so l moved it to the other side of the room. But the last couple of days she has been off cornflakes but this morning l thought l would try her with some and they went down a treat. She has also been off her foot toy so l think l will give those a break too.
But l could break her neck though because today she peed on me l should be more accurate boys pee girls wee well what ever today had not been the best of days, this moring l forgot to give her cuttlefish bone and she had already tucked into her seeds when offered a small piece to her. I kept saying "Take it nicely." But she tried to bite me but eventually she took it and dropped it, then l offerred it to her agqain but this time held by a clothes peg she took it but dropped it again. So l picked it up and blew on it and offered it again but l forgot Billie is very fussy about eating things that have been on the floor and she bit me. So l put it in her seed bowl but later l saw she had thrown it out.
This morning was a big clean up day I told her it is ever so nice to have a clean carpet not that she took much notice.
But she wanted a shower and as l had moved the cage to clean the floor l obliged and she get pretty wet, l used to have a hair drier running to dry her off but thought it would dry her skin too much. But she was sitting on her perch looking all bedraggled so l went and got the hair drier but as soon as l turned it on than she tried to bite it so l turned it off and let her stew in her own juice.
Then she joined me on the organ l would not let her go near the remaining buttons so she tried her hand at unpicking a seam. Then she ripped up the inside of my collar all the time rubbing her wet body up against my cheek. What a cheek!
After that we had breakfast and the cornflakes were duly dipped and so it was onto the orange. She had a segment all ripped open and after l had cleared away l sat down in the arm chairn and she came to join me she had a neck rub and then weed on me but she flew back to her cage for a poop so l should be thankful for small merices.
She kept flying to my head as l left the room so it was getting tiresome so the next l l went out l said "Stay!" But she flew in any case so l waved my hand to ward her off.
At dinner time l made up a bowl for her of stew peas, carrots, a bit of meat, she ate all the peas and then wanted to join me at my table, so l had to sho her away and she startesd to sulk. After Dinner l usually shut her in about 6 and then at 7 she wants to be covered up but toningt she wanted to be covered at 6 pm, Which l thought was too early.
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Winter is coming Peter. She will want to go to bed earlier now. :D
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:56 pm

I hope she does not want to get up any earlier. 9 am is just right for me, l need, no l enjoy a good 8 hours sleep.
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Post by MissK » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:12 pm

I like 9, myself, always have. Rocky never bothers to wake me. I think I've gotten up a few times and caught HIM sleeping!
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:13 pm

A friend of mine offered to drive me and Billy to the vet but l discovered that the vet was a ten minute walk after an hour's bus ride so l think l will go by bus but first she has to go in her box willy nilly.
She has been weird all day wanting a cuddle and then a neck rub every five minutes then she wants to play the fingers game, she reaches up and pulls my hand down and sits on the back of one hand while she lick the fingers of my other hand all the time bobbing back and forth, she likes both hands with palms down and her claws are really very sharp l am just wondering if l or she can last out until the spring for a nail job?
The man who had her before me for two years never took her to the vets for nail cutting and who ever had her before then well that is any one's guess.
I have been training her with the command "Stay" but now she ignores my command and worse when l try and get her to step off my shoulder onto her cage she runs round the back of my neck. I had an awful job of going to the church she kept flying to my head or shoulder, but everntually by waving my arms in the the air l managed to get out with out her, when l got back she she hunkered down and waved her wings, a weird hallo if you ask me. As l said she has been weird all day and it was gone 6 before she went in and then l noticed that her cooked food bowl was still balanced on her seed bowl so without thinking l put my hand in to take the bowl out and she bit me! This time she drew blood and it was very painful. I had to put on a plaster you states people call them band aids. I once saw this shop sign "Aids for the disabled." It creased me up.
And it was 7.30 before l covered her up not that she asked but l got fed up with waiting and l was not in a good mood after she bit me, now she has tasted blood my days are numbered. But like l tell people in my church "Train's a'coming."
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How do you say no to an IRN?
Billy insists on biting my buttons on my shirts when she sits on my shoulder she breaks them in half, l have tried waving my arms so she cannot land, l have tried scolding her and locking her in the cage but l think l might have an answer to stop her biting my buttons l smeared them with vaseline, the test was inconclusive because l changed my shirt to a well worn and frazzled shirt and Billy found she could enlarge the holes. Thank God she lost interest and ate some grapes l put in her bowl.
I have the cat litter box on the side table and she ignores it even when she comes and lands on my head and l lift her down to the side table she pretends it is not there. I found an old shower curtain tie back l gave it to her in the hope she would leave my shirt alone, she quickly demolished the brass rings at either end and then lost interest in it so l tied it onto her cage. You would think the end of the world had come by the noise she was making. She tried to undo the string herself and this led her into showing more interest in it. Later l tried to remove it and she lunged at my hand so it stays.
My Living room is a bit dark as there is a tree out side, the botanical gardens people came and looked at and said it was a bird medicine tree, it has berries the wild birds come and eat, if Billy fell ill l might try some berries on her. Kill or cure sort of thing. Where was I? Oh yes the in the dark so l have the central lights on and a light in her corner on all day she sunbathes against the corner lamp when she is cold. And as the evening approaches l draw the curtains and she is quite content to stay up until 7 pm. This morning it was bleak and cold so l did not draw back the inner curtains these are nylon net and stop the neighbours looking although l can see out, but Billy can't . She sqwarked and was looking at the nets so l guessed she wanted them drawn back and after l had she got on with her buisniess.
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:35 pm

Getting closer, Today Billie sat on my hands only inches away from the box l was ever so pleased with her. This morning l went shopping and paid a visit to the pet shop l bought dog drinking bowl with a rubber bottom the bowl not the well you get the picture l also bought some wild garden bird seed with a some tomato sauce l could have almost eaten it myself, Billie loved it with out the tomato sauce!
In the supermarket l bought some pot noodle although nowadays it is called some thing else Bilie quite liked that too, l made too much but she was up and down eating from her three bowls she has a seed bowl a fresh veg/fruit bowl and a cooked food bowl, she showed a lot of interest in the dog's water bowl filled with tepid water but as it was not bath day she only had a good look. She has her water bottle from which she drinks.
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It was ever so good today Billie rides around on my shoulder and we were in the kitchen l was doing the washing up and she came down my arm and was interested in the splashing water, l emptied the sink and took out the crockery and slowly filled the sink with fresh warm water, she came onto my hands and l held her under the tap flow she seemed to enyoy this but with a mixer tap it is difficult to keep the temp of the water constant, it goes hot or cold.
Tonight she played up and hang out her bed time just l ike a child and it was 7 30 before l finally got her into her cage and another 20 mins before she was ready ro be covered up. But we are not getting any closer to that box!
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"Eat your cuttle fish bone! Don't you dare ! Ouch! Once was forgiveable but twice? Actually she bit me three times the second time drawing blood, it is a battle of wills in our house she sits on my shoulder and chews my jumper one word from me. "No!" And she does what she wants but l am discovering that play is building a better bond between us becasue later today she ate her cuttle fish bone well just a little, l also discovered that she does not like the tea towel or any cloth near her, she may have had an unhappy experience with one, but my shirt she has bitten all the top buttons off and chewed the collar and weed on it so l put it inside the cat litter box and when l took it out she showed some interest in the box but has not gone in yet. She will do anything for a polo mint but not to go in the box after one. I did discover she looked happier with a cloth thrown over the box.
I have a rash on my hands and she respects that l do not want her to stand on the back of my hands so she sits on my jumper to play with my fingers. I can put my hand around her and almost lift her up. It would be good to turn her over and also grab a foot so l can file her claws, all this will come. After all l have only had her three months. And if l had used the reward training method l would have an automaton by now.
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:17 am

You know what's really weird about that positive reward crude? We used it on our bird and now he lifts his feet and lets us check his toe nails when he doesn't even want a treat.
My new bird must be totally damaged because she has gone from being very scared of people to jumping on us when she wants to.
Maybe I should have clipped their wings to avoid this display of servitude....

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Post by MissK » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:13 am

InTheAir, I feel your pain. I was just thinking it might have been a mistake all those years ago to have rewarded my dogs for getting in bed with me. Now that it's cold, the three of us are obliged to snuggle happily under the covers every night!
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Microsoft have done the dirty on my and changed my email address it is now elefantis@hotmail.co.uk I seem to remember a list of email addresses but cannot seem to find them now. I hope notifications will go to my new address.
However just to say that Billie has stared at a sugar free polo mint l lodged on the cat box for a week but today while my back was turned she craftily lifted the polo mint and at it. This is a big step forward the next mint will be on a piece of string tied to the cat box so she will have to eat it next to the box. Not that she eats them but l licks them! It takes about 40 minutes before she grows tired of it and drops it.
Today has been a good day, no biting, no screaming.
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:37 pm

Some days are diamonds others pure hell. :mrgreen: Billie would not leave my buttons alone nor would she stop chewing my jumper so I put her back in the cage and she sulked, at least l could play play the organ and finish one song with out have to scold her. l let her out later and she continued to sulk. But she joined me in a fresh orange segment and she really appreciated my leaving some peel on the segment so she can hold that without getting her feet all sticky. Then we had a doze.
She woke my by flying to the back of my chair and pulling my hair. and she allowed me to inspect her feet without any rewards, her nails are very sharp and cut into my flesh on the back of my hands but she knows l do not like her prancing around on my hands so she stands on my cuff.
Instead of a foot toy which she has gone off l gave her some millet spray but after picking it over she dropped it, later we had dinner together she loves her cooked food bowl but insists on begging for scraps off my plate l use a table spoon and and she sups to her hearts content.
Everything was too early and l accidentally shut her in at 6 pm and then relented and let her out but at 7 l started to close the top of her cage down she just looked resigned to going to bed ad at 7.15 pm she called to be covered up and the door was open. :D
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:07 pm

Pigeons do it, Swans do it, Billie and her mirror image do it, Billing and cooing. I once lived in Victorian terraced house on the top floor and my bedroom was in the attic and out side sat a big cock pigeon just out of the reach of a broom stick and every night he would bring home a new hen and promise her marriage if she would and he did it all night he was a bit old and huffed and puffed the worst this was when he got to the end of each stint and let out a big yell. I complained to the housing office who said to me "You are only jealous!"
Billie lowers her head well below the cage she is standing on and then raises her head slowly and until the is on tiptoe and then back to low, sometime she wants a neck scratch but l tell her not in front of the mirror.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:36 pm

Peter...I too own a chainsaw. To keep him from destroying my favorite shirts I made a bead and block necklace to wear. He gets his chewing, and I don't have to hunt down buttons and thread :D
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What a good idea Melisa, l am going to do the weekly shop tomorrow l will look for some ornament that might work, l have some old clothes l change into so Bilie can chew on those but there is a difference from chewing and wanton destruction.
I did a dummy run this morning to the vets best time by bus is 50 minutes and that includes a ten minute walk, but the return journey took 65 minutes when l got back home Billie did her usual welcome home display and l thought l would have a display of my own waving my arms and shouting, with a few stamping feet, Billie was so shocked she was struck dumb.
Interesting in an English court of law you have to enter your plea, Guilty or Not guilty but if you pretend to be dumb and do not make a plea and the trial cannot continue with out one so a jury have to decide whether you are struck dumb by malice and then you are sent to prison for the contempt, stuck dumb by and act of God then a plea is entered on your behalf, or the jury might find you are not fit to plea in which case the Judge commits you to a lunatic assylum.
By the way Melisa because l did not sign in within the 270 days allowed by Micorsoft they closed my account elefantis@msn.com and cancelled all my emails, but they did allow me to keep the handle and now like a pheonix l have risen from the Ashes and am elefantis@hotmail.co.uk please could you let Claire or Mods know that l am not getting notifications of replies to my posts
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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:08 pm

Peter...in reading over some of your comments, I see I have missed the part about your fingers. What Billie is doing is mating behavior. Please don't encourage it. What she's doing is trying to regurgitate for you. Her biting is called defensive biting. She's basically frustrated that she wants to mate with you and can't. It's breeding season again, and as such some things are off limits with our feathered friends. No petting below the neck, no underwing scratches, and if she try's to mate with or regurgitate to your hand, you must put her on her cage and walk away. I know you've been around pet shop birds before, but it is different when it's your bird with you 24/7 and all she has to model her behavior for is you. I want to see you succeed with Billie. And you have made great progress. But alexandrines...which is what you have...require a firm hand. Not an abusive one, but firm enough that you won't let Billie walk all over you. Rewarding good behavior can come in a multitude of ways. You're not training her to be a circus monkey...you're learning to live in harmony while you are many species apart from one another. Alexandrines are very food driven. Just by feeding her her daily meals, you are in a way training her. You look for her favorites, and you comply by offering them. Now she has trained you :D it's a mutual relationship effort. As humans, when we are rewarded for good behavior, or a job well done, it makes us feel important. Like we've accomplished something. Billie wants to feel the same. She doesn't have a flock or a mate. So it is your job to make her feel worthy of her position in your home. She wants to do good for you. By rewarding that, you make her feel fulfilled. You give her something to focus on other than being a caged bird in a human world. You don't have to train her to do backflips on her perch, but even birds need a good behavior reward system. Think of her like a forever toddler in kindergarten. Constantly learning and achieving new things with the help of a little positive reinforcement :D
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:50 pm

Who's a pretty boy then? I went to a charity shop and bought 3 wooden necklaces and to the supermarket for three more, very camp. One of the necklaces from the charity shop lasted 5 minutes, so l tried one of supermarket ones. Billie was flumoxed she could not bite the shiny balls and so l could play the organ in peace, and she did not attack my shirt either but gave up on the shiny ball and came down my arm and wanted to stand on the keys which sounded a she moved l had visions of teaching how to play a Tocato, but the twinkling lights were too much of a distraction so she kept going for them in end l picked her up with both hands fingers above and below her neck and she was very good just nestled into my hands she did not bite, so l gave her a lot of praise.
Part of my shopping foray was to get some money back on the dog bowl l had picked up two and only wanted one, l did some other shopping and bought a wooden dangle thing and hung it up in the corner of Billie's cage she was quite interested as l fiddled trying to get it up but after she has ignorred it. I aslo bought a new perch. And some egg biscuits. I closed the top down at about 6 and then she came out on top l thought she wanted it open again l got down on eye level to remonstrate with her and she ran acresso the top of the cage and bit me. Well tried to l could feel gnashing of her beak as l pulled back. I let out a big wail and you could almost see her looking at me as if l were an idiot.
However l shut her door at 7 pm but it was nearly 8 pm before she called to covered up l think she was watching TV but she must have slept all morning and was not feeling tired.
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:22 pm

Hi Melisa sorry l have just seen your post about fingers, in the pet shop we never got close to the pets because it was too heart breaking when some one bought them, but l did get close to Charlie the Macaw, however l agree with you over Billie's behaviour l do not want her to regurgitate into my hand or become frustrated. Mother had budgies that used to regurgitate onto the mirrow of themselves do you think Billie will try and do the same with her mirror image?
How best can l deal with Billie's frustration would a plastic doll of a bird help or how about a some cloth she could make a fuss over, allowing her to behave in the way she has will be harder to break but l think you are right in walking away from unwanted behaviour, the best training aid is praise and ecncouraging words.
As a bachelor l can under stand her mood swings, and l will help her to become a spinster, a little old lady with character.
Thank you for reading my posts and coming to our rescue.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:21 pm

Good news Melisa,
Today Billie has made no attempt to play or bite or lick my fingers l have limited her to a smaller number of head rubs and all above the neck and this leads me to the conclusion that tickling under her wing and rubbing her tummy all l thought to get to know her better was a come on signal for her. No we have a good result.
I found putting on a necklace to be one of the most fiddly things l have ever done and then when the clasp was done up l could not undo it. I explained the situation to Billie who did her best to set me free "Ouch that is my neck you are biting" and l am pleased to say she freed me from the collar.
The necklces were too small around my neck so l have hung them up in her cage instant success, There are so many things hanging in her cage that when she goes in she disappears. Slight fib.
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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:43 pm

Lol Peter...it would be much easier to make your own necklace. Cut off the ends of the other necklaces and harvest the beads. Then take extra long shoe laces and restring the beads onto a necklace that is long enough that when tied off can slip over your head. In between the beads, tie pieces of leather. Bore a hole through the middle of a corn cob and dry it out in the oven. Then string that on the necklace. Variety is the spice of life :D

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:34 pm

Nice photo Melisa, l have one of Billie holding a bead bracelet and l like your idea of stringing the beads together at the moment l tie them onto her cage. There is one necklace l bought that has a tie fastener, and so far Billie has not broken the sliver beads, l would like to send you the photo but when Microsoft went down it took my email program and l no longer have your email address could you send it again please, to elefantis@hotmail.co.uk and l will send you a copy in the hope you can add it to the others.
The good news about the cat litter box is Billie will climb the door but she has not gone in yet, but it is progress tonight she had the devil uo her tail she would not go in although she allowed me to close the top down with out any fuss. But when she just sat on her door l tried turning off the lights but she was watching TV she likes the wildlife programs especially elefants. I tried ignorring her but when she went down for a top up l thought it would not be a good idea to close her door then so it was 8 pm before she finally l gave up and went in. We all get a lie in tomorrow!
Today has been another day without her wanting to play the fingers game, in time she might forget all about that incident.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:59 pm

i have really good news about Billie, today she walked into the cat litter box with out any prompting and found a treasure trove of baubels she was so exicted she picked one up saw another and could not make up her mind which one she wanted to play with, she kept standing on tip toe and looking out of the slits in the box, she went in again later. :D MissK and Melisa will be pleased with that news, I shall leave the cat box on the table so Billie has ample opportunituy to go back.
She has up to now made a fuss over my closing the lace curtains so I left one open but today she flew to my head which was unusual and flew into the window l suppose she thought it was open, she fell down between the window and the organ but did not seem to have hurt herself l picked her up in my hands, now l shall keep those curtains closed whether she likes it or not.
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Post by AJPeter » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:03 pm

I thought l had made a break through in communication this morning Billie sat on the edge of her cage and when l offered my arm to step up she looked at me as if her next move was going to be a lunge, so l took one pace backwards beckoned with my hand and tapped my arm, she lifted a foot and I moved forward and she stepped up. I thought sign language could be the answer , but no it is not.
Although Billie has not played the fingers game she still is being a nuisance now she rocks back and forth with her rump on my arm she waves her tail from side to side so l guess this is the matting game under a new label. As soon as l spotted it l put her backon her cage.
She has a very annoying habit off flying to me as leave a room and today she came out onto the kitchen to help me get dinner but something starteld her and she took off and tried to land on the cooker hood so l thought it was too dangerous to have her in the kitchen with hot things all around so l took her back into the lounge. I say "Stay" but one word from me and she does what she wants.
I was sitting down toeat and she sits on her door overlooking my shoulder and this morning at breakfast she watched every spoonful of porridge that I put in my mouth. I felt very guilty but kept telling her you cannot have any. We did share an orange, but at dinner time l had to feed her with bits from the shepherds pie on a spoon she was hanging on the door breathing down my neck, she really wanted the corn and peas and when l offered some pie crust she stepped onto my shoulder and l thought this is a take over but l put her back on her door and fed her what she wanted.
Another annoying habit is that she flies to my shoulder and immediately starts to nibble my collar, but when l play the organ l have a necklace with shindy balls which bites but gives up and attacks my collar. When can l buy a metal collar?
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Post by AJPeter » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:29 pm

Billie has been off foot toys for some days now but l made her a new one with some millrt spray and cuttle fish bone, wrapped it up and sealed it with sellotape. Billie was intriguued she squeezed it all over her beak and then started to break it open she ate most of the millet spray and some of the cuttle fish bone so l might try that again.
I try and spot her mating ritual but today she was prodding my ear with her beak and wagging her tail so l tried to distract her and then l put her back on the cage, do other owners of hens have this problems of mating? And how do you deal with it?
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:49 pm

Today has been awful. I had a bit of a job getting up this morning the bed was warm and the bedroom cold but finally l made it cleaned Billie's cage and put all fresh fruit and seed water too and sat down to play my organ. Billie came and landed on my hand and her feet were ice cold and this is despite the temp being 75 l put my other hand down to warm her feet by gentle rubbing and she bit my hand.
So l put her into her cage while l played the organ, this was good because l wanted to set up some registrations for Christmas songs and could that now without being distracted by Billie chewing my jumper to shreds or her killing a few baubels. She was getting impatient so l stopped playing and got breakfast organised, porridge for me and orange for Billie, but she dropped and l picked it up and gave it back to her and she lunged for my hand, "Naughty!"
She looked down in the dumps so l bent forward to give her a kiss and she bit my lip, l was angry and locked her back in the cage and l went out and made my bed and got things in the kitchen together but she had not said a word even when l got back. All evening she sulked but about 8 pm she squeaked meaning she was ready to be covered up, and after that l heard these strange noises from under the blanket like paper being ripped up, l think she is making a nest but l won't know until tomorrow.
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:18 pm

Noise
Billie is really scared with police and amublance sirens and she get upset when the telphone rings but gets really scared when she is covered for the night and hears sirens or telephone, she aslo reacts to those noises on the television.
Do other birds suffer in th esame way and what is the best way of dealing with it?
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:29 pm

Rocky has come on well MissK, and l am glad to say since l put a perch in lower down just above the grate Billie spends a lot more time at the bottom of the cage especially when l cover her up. I have taken out the grate now to give more room for her tail feathers. I put an empty dried milk container (washed) on its side with some tissue inside and newspaper to cover it and Billie ignored it all day but as soon a l covered her and it was dark inside her cage l could hear her banging around with the container, last night l heard her ripping up paper and this morning l discovered she had ripped up the paper covering the bottom of her cage , mostly she never goes down there. So MissK it thanks to your report on Rocky that has helped Billie!
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Is it not nice to find that they do something you have been hoping for? Billie's paper lining the bottom of the cage was all wet either she has been skiinny dipping at dawn or all this scrabling around in the bottom of the cage caused her swimming pool to slop, l do not know but after cleaning her cage l vacucmed the floor and then gave her a good misting. But as l replaced the furniture she skiiny dipped in the swimming pool and got really wet.
In order to play my organ with out constant interuptions l lock her in for two hours, she knows this is coming and plays hard to catch, l tried to prise her in but to no avail, so l shut the top down and allowed her to fly to me as l sat down at the organ then l put my hand up so she could climb on it and took her to the cage door and put her in.
With all this ripping up of paper is she making a nest? Should l provide her with twigs so she can buiid a nest. In the pet shop l neary bought an edible nest and eggs, but did not because l do not want her laying eggs/ is that possible?
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Post by InTheAir » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:19 pm

AjPeters: you need to do some research on parrots and hormonal behaviour. I have seen your off topic posts on other threads and have decided to share some links on this thread as there is some etiquette on forums that say you should not take up someone else's threads with completely off topic posts.

I have advised you to read articles on parrots before and I am going to say it again.
Start by reading these. If you dislike reading, you can buy some dvds on parrot behaviour and learn from them.

http://m.avianweb.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2 ... width=1280

http://pamelaclarkonline.com/uploads/Ho ... havior.pdf

If you need advice start a new topic on it.

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Post by ellieelectrons » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:36 pm

Hi AJPeters

I've had discussions about females and nesting with my avian vet and Pamela Clark at a workshop. They both recommend to not let your bird nest. I recommend you read the links that Claire posted. In her session on female nesting behaviour, Pamela Clark indicated that the triggers for nesting are:
- having a perceived mate (it can be a human)
- too much cuddling or time on the shoulder
- access to small, dark "nesty" places
- diet relatively high in carbs and fats
- increased/decreased day length
- a degree of sameness to the environment.

Therefore, if you want to try to alter this behaviour you can approach it using any or all of the above options. The other thing I'll say to you is it is worth trying to figure it out early as it can get worse as she gets older (see viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14905)

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:27 pm

Thank you Ellie and Claire l have read the Avian web article several times and printed it out for future reference, do you think an apology is called for to the members for posting new topics on their threads? I won't do that again IndianRingNeck.com is vtoo aluable to lose by any more stupid behaviour on my part..

However l have started a new regime today by not allowing Billie to fly to my shoulder, she has been learning two new words "NO!" and "STAY!" I hold my hand up like a traffic cop. But twice she got through my defences and l had to use a stick to make her step up and off my shoulder, usually she just steps off. I made her stay in her cage while l played the organ and also when l ate my meals ate and also l have not given her wet food such as steamed vegeatbles. I have placed a load of sticks in the lower part of her cage these l found out side.
Last night when l covered her up she scratched around the bottom of the cage for about an hour but tonight l put the grid in. I also took her swimnming pool out at lunch time the water was too cold to bathe in and l am a little worried that since l doctored her water bottle with liquid calcium she might try and drink her bath water!
She has had a couple neck strokes as a reward during the day, but nothing lower. So far there is no sign of feather plucking between the legs but l did notice her vent was a bit dirty. about 11 am she was preening and she cleaned it up.
I did make the mistake of giving her some cooked chicken, she had her own bowl in the cage. I gave her a rather crispy chip through the bars. It was a race to see who would finish first and it turned out to be a tie, Billie claimed it was a cravat.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:32 pm

Ellie do l have eggs to worry about if Billie starts nesting? You went through a lot with Janey last year, l do not allow Billie such freedom to fly around my flat she is virtually limited to one room, but during the summer l had the doors open a lot and she flew into the kitchen gave me a nasty scare becasue the window was open.
Do they get broody like chickens? How long did you let Janey keep her eggs? Did they hatch? Now you are an expeert with a seaon behind you would you still give Janey a nesting box?
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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:41 pm

Hi AJPeter
AJPeter wrote:Ellie do l have eggs to worry about if Billie starts nesting? You went through a lot with Janey last year, l do not allow Billie such freedom to fly around my flat she is virtually limited to one room, but during the summer l had the doors open a lot and she flew into the kitchen gave me a nasty scare becasue the window was open.
Do they get broody like chickens? How long did you let Janey keep her eggs? Did they hatch? Now you are an expeert with a seaon behind you would you still give Janey a nesting box?
I've now been through two pretty full on nesting seasons. This year there were no eggs. The previous year there were five that didn't hatch. This year I didn't give a nestbox. The year before I did. This year I did give her an open nest once her behaviour got unbearable and it did seem to take the edge off her nesting behaviour. She was less aggressive when she came out of the cage after she'd spent time playing in the open nest. The open nest was a *huge* stainless steel water dish that I mounted to the cage. I put pine shavings in it. I don't know if this is a recommended strategy but I was pleased how it worked this year. I'm going to discuss this with my avian vet at their yearly checkup.

They do get broody in that they will go into the nest box and will come out rarely. She doesn't make the clucking sounds like a chicken does when she gets broody.

I wanted to let Janey keep her eggs until she lost interest in them. She kept them long after we knew they wouldn't hatch hoping she would lose interest. I ended up taking them away from her because we were about to go on holidays and I needed to board them and I wanted to give her some time at home before without the eggs before we went away.

Even though your girl doesn't have a mate like my Janey does, she may lay infertile eggs. If it gets to that stage it's best to let her sit on them rather than take them away as if you take them away she'll may keep laying more and more and more to replace the ones that have been taken away.

This year the breeding season went for a solid 3 months. After the 3 months were up she returned to being my normal girl again - I was really surprised, I'd forgotten how sweet she could be after her reign of terror! lol

I would consider the open nest again if my avian vet doesn't give me some good reasons not to do it... but I would only do it once I feel I can't put up with her behaviour any more. When you can't get her out from under the brand new couch and when you try she runs at you along the floor and then flies into your face to bite you... that's when I start to consider the open nest.
AJPeter wrote:an apology is called for to the members for posting new topics on their threads? I won't do that again IndianRingNeck.com is vtoo aluable to lose by any more stupid behaviour on my part..
I think what you wrote there suffices as an apology. :)

It is nice to have you as part of our community AJ. Wishing you and Billie all the best.

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Thanks Ellie for the nice words. Our local pet shop (Can't keep away from them) sell some sort bird food moulded into the shape of a nest with moulded eggs l saw it last week but paid no heed, l shall look a bit closer this week, funny that when Bilie got past my waving hands and landed on my shoulder l was able to put my hand around her and lift one of her feet with out being bitten.
Did Janey's behaviour get worse year by year, say three or four years ago, l am just wondering how long it will be before Billie ends up in the linen basket. Since l have no idea how old she is l do nor know how much grace l have before Billie gets like Janey. 3months! And does Janey moult as well, another three months?
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Post by ellieelectrons » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:12 pm

I think you just need to take it day by day. Janey is now five and the last two years weren't great as far as breeding behaviour goes. However, this year was better than last year. We were going pretty well until it got to the point that I introduced the open nest. All you can do is control what you can control and do your best. Not all female birds will be so aggressive during nesting season. The first year it happened, I was so shocked because I didn't understand that it was nesting behaviour... so it is good to be aware of what can happen. I've been on this forum for several years now and I've only seen one other person report nesting behaviour that's worse than Janeys.... so hopefully Billie won't be too bad... Also, Billie is an Alexandrine? I work with some Alexandrines and during the breeding season their owner puts them back to cheap budgie seed and closes his block out curtains to try to trick them into thinking it's not breeding season. They didn't lay any eggs this year either.

Janey is moulting now, I suspect she'll finish early in the new year. They moult after breeding season is over. Breeding season hormone production is also related to the weather. In the wild the birds would want to know that if they bring another beak into the world, there will be sufficient food to feed it.

How old is Billie again? If she's young, she's probably just playing around with nesting and mating behaviours and you shouldn't have too many problems for another year or so yet. Hopefully she won't be so bad. :)

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:48 pm

Yes Billie is an Alex but I do not know how old Billie is she was a found bird, but the man who had her before me said he had her 2 years and got her from a friend. I think she not younger than 3 years and and not older than 7 years, her beak is in good condition, there are some photos Melisa posted for me in Parrot Speak and Billie looks quite young in one and quite old in another.
Today in the pet shop l bought a small wicker basket that will do for a nest, l also bought some wood chips and straw actually it is camomile grass and some nesting hair. Sunday/monday nights after l covered Billie up she was down on the bottom of her cage ripping up paper, but last night and tonight l put the grid back in, not sure this is wise but since l have limited her daylight stopped her trying to mate with me by changing the scene also not allowing her to fly to my shoulder (yesterday) but did allow her to sit one my shoulder as l cleaned her cage but that was cut short by her "Nuzzling " my ear. She only had half a doz neck strokes. Today she has been less amorous but more defensive.
The big thing to remember she has no book or forum to talk to, all this stuff is new to her.
That article Claire recomends l read is most helpful "Hormonal Behaviour is Companion Parrots is most helpful
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Post by ellieelectrons » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:08 pm

Here's something for you to aspire to AJ.
http://love.theanimalrescuesite.com/son ... m=20131206

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Thank you Elliie that was lovely, the bird look quite old and l will be ever so pleased if Billie could sing to my playing. Today she was on top of her cage staring at me, l had said "No!" and "STAY!" And she seemed to have got the message because she did not fly down once.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:09 pm

WARNING!

I have said a water bottle is essential but today l discovered the ball was lodged tight in the tube and Billie would not have been able to drink. Maybe the water had evaporated in the warm room but l was very alarmed, l had just read that Alex do not drink much so that was a relief l freed the ball and will check daily now that she can get a drink.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:50 pm

The search button is a nifty tool, l have just been reading about pellets/seeds and l do not think l will worry about not giving pellets, l buy a parrot mix and there are pellets there in but Biile wont eat them. A varied diet is what counts. I was quite supprised to read about dandelions. Is it the leaf or the flower, can they be dired? Sometimes l drink dandylion tea is that something l can give Billie? Not made of course.
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Post by AJPeter » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:45 pm

I cannot remember where l saw this ad some where in USA l think but they were advertising plastic holders to attach to the front and back of the cage door to collect seeds and poop when birds sit on the cage door. Can anyone help?
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Post by AJPeter » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:07 pm

My ceiling fan is not much kop so not using it while Billie is out will be no hardship l rather like these air multiplyers by Dyson but they are very expensive. I was reading about room temperature and 75 was said to be ideal for parrots. But not ideal for me something about 66 is good, But Billie squeaks when the temp drops to 73 and she goes very quiet at 71 f.
Allof a sudden l have noticed her beak has started to flake at the tip l thought this might be a lack of Vitamine E. She is on a seed based diet and has plenty of fruit and veg.
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:31 pm

Not to worry, early photos show, that flaky beak. But how do you tell them that if they chew and break the pegs that hold the blanket in place there will be nothing to hold it in place. This thread was all about understanding what they say but it could not have been clearer tonight, she wanted to be covered at 5.30 l kept telling her it was too early but gave in at 6.30 pm I was watching the TV with the central light on and she was banging around, it sounded like morse code
T-U-R-N- O-F-F -T-H-E -L-I-G-H-T. And after l had there was peace in the valley.
I bought her some egg nog today,she loves it.
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:08 pm

Bilie no longer chews my shirt collar or bites my buttons as l have banned her from flying down on me when l play the organ she stands there boring imaginary holes in my back still better than missing buttons and chewed collars l was beginnig to look like a real scruff.

Also there has been a change she was standing waist deep in cold water for ages and enjoyed a cold water shower l think she has started to get itchy. Maybe this is the begining of a moult?

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Post by AJPeter » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:59 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4P_NhF ... r_embedded
Did any one see the BBC film about IRN in London?
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Post by AJPeter » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:26 pm

When Microsoft went down in November they cancelled my account and l had to set up new email addresses and activate my IRN account now the fools have reactivated my microsoft and the old email address and the new ones are no longer usuable. I hate Microsoft.
But l think l have altered everything in the control panel and have reactivated muy accounct and so it is go go go.
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http://email.northernparrots.com/_act/l ... jId=144978

Northern Parrots have got some very nice air purifers

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Post by Little Buttercup » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:25 pm

AJPeter wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4P_NhF ... r_embedded
Did any one see the BBC film about IRN in London?
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:36 pm

I was reading a post from MissK to TJ about peanuts for Merlin and it remnided me of a book l read The Bird Keepers guide to Amazons by Greg Glendall who said birds love to forage and l good idea would be to smear peanut butter into a fir cone.
It tried that with Billie but as soon as she tastesd the peanut butter she shreiked and dropped the fir cone. Billie hates peanuts!

Greg also recomended pouring honey into a fir cone but as soon as Billie discoved Honey is sticky she did not wnat to know.

Are there many birds who hate peanuts?

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Post by zentoucan » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:18 am

I find that Delfin and Bluey have a couple taste tests before they decide that this new food tastes good. Delfin tried honey around three times before he like it. Yet Bluey will not eat honey at all but likes passion fruit where Delfin doesn't. Neither birds like strawberries.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:27 pm

Zentoucan told us how Bluey had flown into the kitchen window and broke his neck.

At the church l go to the cartetaker regularly picks up birds with broken necks who have flown into the windows, and three times Billy has flown into windows in my flat twice in the lounge l have tried to show her that the window is solid, but in the LR l have curtains and net inner curtains so these deter her, but in the kitchen l have big windows with no curtains and she flew up into a window and fell down on the draining board next to the sink, she was shaken but unharmed.

It just shows us that we have to be so careful with them, if it is not a closed window then it is an open one, it is devastating for Zentoucan, and too late to be wise after the even but it is a lesson all us and we should take note.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:07 pm

Recently Maryna reported that a Coco who was given to her by a breeder and was put down by the vet as Coco had a form of rickets and l just wanted to say how do Pet Shops and Breeders get rid of pets that don't sell? When l worked in a pet shop we often had rabbits that got too old to be sold. Sometimes people would give us unwanted pets and we would do our best to find homes for them even "Giving them away"

Once we were given 25 white mice and l put them into an empty fish tank but ther number were increasing so l sexed them all and put the females into one empty fish tank and the males into another emtpy fish tank. The trouble was that in the male tank everybody was having sex with every body and the females in their tank were getting pregnant. It was a nightmare.

No l did NOT flush down the loo, but it was the punk era and every fully fledged punk wanted as rat on their shoulders and the younger kids wanted a white mouse in their pocket, we sold all the mice for 25p each l think the final count was 129. Never again!

We never had birds that we could not sell, but African greys were very slow sellers possible because they were £300 each. I would point out that budgies are often born deformed because there are too many people breeding them.

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:38 pm

You may have to run the guauntlet of bites Sanjays mummi to get Sanjay to step up on your hand, try and lure him with a treat you hold in one hand and your other hand in front so he has to step on you hand to get to the treat. Gradually trust will build so that with me an Billie l can call her from house improvemtnts in a wooden box and step up onto my hand have a neck scracch and a cuddle without a single bite/

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:30 pm

I moved Billie's cage today and she was very upset, kept calling me and then looking at the place where her cage was, there is no difficulty in understanding what she says to me but l cannot get her to understand what l am saying to her!
Anybody got any ideas?

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Post by mattcoffs » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:28 am

Skyes_crew wrote:I have been quietly watching how this conversation has progressed. A huge accomplishment for me. But AJPeter intrigues me. I will make my observation short and sweet. I think we can learn a lot from AJ's interactions with Billie. We all become so focused on the proper ways to train...the proper trainers to follow...the best articles to read. I think we've lost the ability to actually truly interact on a baser level with our companions.
There is something in this for sure!

I think a lot of people get wrapped up in what they should and shouldn't do, what is proper and in-proper - and unintentionally lose sight of what is actually happening in front of them! I use both positive and negative techniques in training my bird, and i consider her a pretty good example of a female ringneck. We have our ups and downs, but all in all she has been really good the last year or so. Even during moulting at the moment she has been very good considering!

For example, when she does something desirable i will reward her, wither with a food reward or my attention. When she does something undesirable (that i haven't directly caused - i'll explain in a sec) i will walk away from her and avoid eye contact with her for 10 minutes or so. This doesn't hurt the bird so perhaps "negative reenforcement" isn't really the best word for it? To me i feel it's more setting boundaries. And we both do it....

For example, if i'm giving her scratches and she has had enough, she will sort of look at me and move a bit. If i don't get the message, she'll look at me angrily and open her beak slightly. If i still don't get the message i get bitten. There's my boundary.
Alternatively, if she is sitting on my hand and for no reason at all reaches down and bites me - she gets calmly placed in her cage and i won't make eye contact. She does not like this, and whistles and croons for my attention - but never screams, as i truly believe she knows she did wrong. After a while of doing this, she will even give me the look and body language straight after a bite that simply says "i'm sorry!"

And before somebody says it, i've read a lot of comments from female ringneck owners that say their bird sometimes bites unprovoked and for no reason, especially in the mornings. I know enough to know when i've deserved a bite or not, and usually what caused it.

I do believe that people take the books way too literally. I mean, i've read heaps of them and you must read them if you are new to parrots definitely. There is vital information in them - but at the end of the day you will figure out what works the best for you and your bird with time and patience. And the solution may not be exactly how it said in the books :D

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well said Mattcoffs

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:46 pm

Yes thank you Mattcoffs, first l have an Alexandrine parrot and l am told they are very different to IRN, and when l rescued Bille named after Billie Holiday the jazz singer, l did not want to train her in the recoognized way l did not want a Pavlov!
So l made a lot of mistakes, lost my temper and got bitten, but using some of the techniques of negative reinforcement and my own ideas Billie and l slowly got our act together. Becuase l was looking for answers l gate crashed other people;s threads untill Intheair gave me my own thread and that is how Parrot speak was born.
But thank you for reading it.

Zentoucan how are you coping without Bluey?

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I miss him/her

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:57 pm

Does Deflin miss Bluey?

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Water bottle for sale or rent
Okay MiisK, Lets see air fares, no better stearage on a boat, do the bums still ride trains for free? I could hitch a lift here to a port, okay you are on some time next year?

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:53 pm

In a recent post MissK you mentioned how Rocky was regurtitating when you had the elctric light on, and how natural day light reduced this, has there been a study about how electric light adversely affects our birds?
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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:21 pm

People want to know what sex their bird is and l was wondering whether anybody subscribed to the idea that if you call your bird Bert it is a male and if you call the bird Alberta she is a female, unless you have a bird like mine, or have a snail, snails are bisexual, when two snails meet the one who rapes the other is the father and the one that gets raped is the mother.

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Post by zentoucan » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:07 am

no Delfin doesn't seem to miss Bluey.

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:27 pm

Billie seems to be afriad of the dusk. About 4 pm just before the sun goes down she makes a lot of worried nosies but once the sun has gone down she is okay alhough she prefers the electric light on.

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:54 pm

Response to beaking and biting may depend on specis age and even individual birds. We had an old macaw in the pet shop that would bounce on his perch after biting you, he would hold your finger gently in his beak and l feel with his tongue for a joint and then bite down hard, no amount of yelling made any difference l think he just liked the attention. But l do think that my Billie learnt that biting hurt me and now she is so gentle. l wanted to weigh her today and she would not step down onto the scale in the end l had to pick her up bodily, she objected but only mouthed my fingers once l had her on the scale she stood and waited for me to read the dial.

Before she laid an egg she weighed in at 437 grams and now 425 grams but the vet said she was under weight does any one know whay they are supposed to weigh?

In Sapphie's progess l read aobut Rocky Growling, Billie purrs like a cat when l stroke her neck, funny enough there is a cat out side making enough noise to wake the dead!

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Post by AJPeter » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:23 pm

Since l have been talking to Billie at dusk she is a lot quieter, but seems to want to go to bed earlier. Anything for a quiet life

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:21 pm

Can our birds have too much sleep? I start turning off lights at 4 pm and by 5.30 pm Billie is calling to go to bed, she does no tget up until 9 am is that too much sleep, of course she might be awake earlier.

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Post by zentoucan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:45 am

The average adult Alexandrine Parakeets weights around 200 to 300 grams. So at 425 grams she is a monster. definitely not under weight. I once read that between 75% to 80% of captive birds are overweight due to poor diet and lack of exercise.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:03 pm

Funny you should say that because l weighed Billie before she started laying at 437 grams and the vet said she was under weight, so at 425 grams l have been feeding her up. You are not thinking of IRN are you?

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Post by zentoucan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:40 am

no
have researched numerous websites on the Alexandrine Parakeet. nothing over 300 grams

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Post by zentoucan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:28 am

I have looked at a huge number of site on Alexandrine Parakeets and found this site of a vet with 30 years experience and the heaviest Alexandrine I could find was 323 grams with an average 180-230 grams.
also check out the Blue and Gold Macaw. This is what a poor diet and lack of excise results in

IRN are around 115 to 140 Grams

so an Alexandrine at 425 grams is either a monster or is morbidly overweight and I doubt that it's underweight and would be getting a second opinion has the life span of any animal is greatly reduced when morbidly overweight.


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Post by AJPeter » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:15 pm

Maybe l have miss read the dial she deo snot stand still for very long l willhave naother go tomorrow and let you know, your link would not open through these pages so l will try through the browser.

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Google say that the site you enclosed is closed due to inactivity but l have just checked Wikipedia and they say 200 to 300 grams in weight, so l must be reading the scale wrongly assume it is 225 grams but l will check again. Thank you for drawing my attenton to this.

I will also check with the vet who weighed Billie to see what she weighed in at.

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:54 pm

I make up for Billie her own bowl of porridge made with water and tell her mine is just the same, but she sort of says if yours is the same as mine it is about time you ate something else this is disgusitng. And after a beak full or two she loses interest in it.

I put a bowl of nice warm water down for her to bathe but she ignores it until it is freezing and then complains the water is too cold to bathe in. She chases all over the cage foraging for food which l hide in places so she gets a lot of exercise. Every day she eats from the cuttlefiish bone so l have cut out the l;iquid calcium. However l do sprinkle crushed oyster shell on the cage floor and she pecks at it.

She is not keen on flying, But she quite surprised me today by flying several times to my chair, l think she just want to check that l was still alive!

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Post by zentoucan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:12 pm

strange I can assess the site through the link.
The Blue and Gold Macaw on this site weight over 2400 grams. When a Blue and Gold Macaw should weight from 900 to 1100 grams with the average at 1000 grams. yes I know that birds like people come in different sizes. but this bird is more than 140% heavier than average and the vet wrote that this bird is very fat. This is why an all seed diet and lack of excise is bad for parrots. too high in fats.

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:03 pm

Still no joy but not to worry Zentoucan, l phoned the vet and asked what weight was Billie on the 2nd Jamuary when they said she was under weight and it was 298 grams so l weighed Billie today and this is how l did it.

Step one. Get kitchen scales and show them to Billie
Step two. Switch them on and ask Billie to step up she was interested but would not step up so grabbed her and prised her feet off the cage.
Step three. Put her on the turnrable and hold her still and then read the dial. Blood thing has switched itself off!
Step four switch the scales back on and watch Billie fly to cage.
Step five, Prise Billie off cage and switch scale back on and put her on the turn table, wait for her to settle a bit and then read the scale. 257 Grams.

So how did l get 457 grams before well you have to let bird settle and keep the scales happy and working l think what was happening before was l plonked Billie onto the turn table and read the scales and of course they have to settle down any movement from bird and the scales are all over the place. (Scales are wosre then pet birds)

While l agree with Zentoucan on an all seed diet about birds being over weight it is not so with Billie. She has a very varied diet, in the mornings first seeds = 1 tbps pet shop seeds, (Mostly Sunflower) 1 tbs Vitakraft seeds, 1tbs Vitakraft egg supplement. She gets a fresh fruit bowl made up with 1/8 pomegranite, 2 grapes, l small piece of mango, sprinkled with pinch of Feather up. She also has a bowl already made with rolled oats, barley seeds, and mealworm pellets, She eats these sometimes for a change. Lunch times a tsp of cooked oats (Porridge) in water. Dinner time she gets fresh veg bowl cabbage, carrot, swede, sugarsnap pea pod 3, Carrot tops 2. A tiny piece of corned beef. Sometimes a cooked sugar snap pea pod (2) Once a week some cooked chicken. Saturday she gets a 1 tsp of gravy, cooked rice. cooked corn and peas, and Sundays 1 tsp of Shepherds pie with crusty pom and cooked corn and peas/

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Post by zentoucan » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:40 am

Delfin is still being fed weaning formula twice a day. but we are adding 1/4 tsp calcium power (once a week) and instead of using water we use baby food to make up the weaning formula. Heinz of course. puree apple or pumpkin. Delfin seems to prefer the apple mix but will eat either.
we try to give Delfin something different each day. mainly veggies, than fruit. in the cage there is a bowl of pellets mixed with shell grit and a bowl fruit and nut mix. some cooked chicken once a week. cuttlefish bone and a spray of millet hung in the cage. we avoid processed meats has they are too high in salt. I only feed Delfin sunflower seeds when I'm training him.
when I got Delfin he weighted 242 grams, he now weights 252 grams. the breeder told me when he starts to fly he will lose some weight.
but he never dropped below 242 grams, then he started to slowly gain weight. at four months old he weights 252 grams.

Billie definitely has a top notch diet with a lot of variety. I have never heard of feather up but I gather it's a supplement to improve the condition and colour of the feathers.
pity you couldn't see how fat this Blue and Gold Macaw was. it show just how some people are too lazy to feed and excise their birds correctly.
I just get Delfin to step up onto my hand. then ask him to step down onto the scales and give him a sunflower seed. while he eating the sunflower seed I read the scales.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:30 pm

Is Delfin an Alexandrine? Seems a good weight for an Alex even if only 4 months old. Feather up helps a bird through a moult, l thought l would start early with it. Billie has laid 7 eggs and that knocked the stuffing out of her.
Last year when l got Billie l bought a swing it cost £8 which l thought was a lot of money for a bit of bent wire and wood with some coloured beads and l have tried all sorts of places to hang it and none Bille approved but this afternoon l had a brain scan l mean wave and in the odds and sods box l found a cuphook and l screwed this into the ceiling near her cage she watched me with some interest so l asked her to step and put her on the bar, it is about a foot above my head she sat there for some time but then she stepped up and l lifted her down.
Later l lifted her up again so l could take a picture for the family album and she sat on the swing for over 15 mins swinging it back and forth with her eyes closed. Then she very bravely made a dive and landed on her cage. Is it not nice when you do some thing of which they approve? I also took a picture of her doing the breastroke in her swimming pool but my camera is a bit old and the picture came out quite small.
Billie bites chunks off the cuttlefish bone, and today she only sat twice on the bottom of her cage when the hormones were running stongly but l think she is getting better. She has her voice back and gave me the "Where are you call?" This afternoon which l have not heard for three months. I agree with you about processed meat about the high salt content but it is the only salt she gets.
That is good about Delfin stepping down on the scales l work at a much slower pace with Billie she only gets verbal praise when she does something l want l leave it to her to make up her own mind whether if she wants to step up or not.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:43 pm

Claire said l should read people's posts thoroughly before responding and l did not read yours properly because l have just noticed you put shell grit in his seed bowl. Are you sure this is a good idea? Alex and IRN should not be griven grit as it blocks their gullet and they do not need it for digestion.
Oyster shell grit on the floor of the cage for additional calcium when laying is a good idea. But it will be a bad day when Delfin lays an egg!!

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:11 pm

Billie and I have empathy for each other. This morning l wanted her to step up onto the ceiling perch but she was not keen but to oblige me she got on it. But in turning round she fell off, l was able to break her fall but l thought she would not want to go on that swing for a long time so l took it down from the cuphook in the ceiling and got on with playing the organ.

About 5 minutes late she chirped and l turned round and she was craning her neck to look at the place where the ceiling hook was, so l got the message and reinstated the swing, then she lifted a foot while standiing on the cage so l helped her to step up and lifted her upto the perch where she sat before turning round. So l got on with my playing.

About twenty minutes later there was a flurry of wings and she landed on my head. So the ceiling perch stays.

Billie is still troubled with these hormal urges when they strike she squeals and dives for the bottom of the cage where she sits with her beak on the floor in a corner with her tail pointing up. I reach in and stroke her and gradually the attack subsides and she climbs into a perch.

Today we had a practice run at moving her cage into the bedroom, where it gets really too hot to sleep in during the summer and l have to use an air conditioner to cool it down. But it has the advantage of a black our roller blind so my thinking is that as she prefers it hot to cold she can sleep in the bedroom and will l sleep in the living room with its two doors and five indows.

It was obvious that to move the cage over the carpet clips would not work every day so once l have moved the cage it will stay there for 3 to 4 months. I shall make this arrangement once the days get long and it is still light at 7 pm, and of course reverse the arrangement when the days start getting dark at 7 pm. This will alllow me to hang summer weight curtains in the living room.

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Post by zentoucan » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:51 am

Yes, Delfin is a DNA tested male and a certified Nepalese Alexandrine Parakeet. The breeder advised me to give Delfin around 1/8 of a tsp of oyster shell grit once a week while Delfin was growing into an adult. Delfin was the last to hatch and was smaller than his brother and sisters when I picked him up. But the breeder assured me he would grow to a standard size Nepalese Alexandrine.
Delfin has a really good diet. When I want him to try something different and new. I have to eat it first and then share some with Delfin. the chilies were a bit hot, clear my sinuses, but at least Delfin ate them.

Be aware of screw in cup hooks. few years ago I had an Eclectus parrot and I used screw in eye hooks on a tree branch use as a perch to hold a number of toys. Anyway, one day a toy fell from the branch. When I inspected why, It seems that the swinging around the Eclectus had been doing on one the perches had unscrewed it from the branch. So I put a fishing line swivels between all the eye hooks and the toys. I recommend 15 kg ball bearing game fishing swivels from japan. they are top quality.

There is more to having a bird stepping up and down than making it easier to weight your bird. It's also about being able to remove your bird from high risk and dangerous areas with a minimum of trauma and stress to the bird.

I don't encourage Delfin to go to the bottom of his cage to eat any shell grit or any other food from there as his dropping are also on the cage floor and I find it to be unhygienic.

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Post by AJPeter » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:56 pm

When Billie poops on the bottom of the cage l pick up with a tissue, her swimming pool is better on the bottom of the cage as any spillage is kept in the cage area. it also gives her a bit more room because on reflection the cage is a bit small for her with the grid in. l am quite pleased because it fits nicely in my living room but now l wish l had got the size larger.

Cockatoos and Electus are well know for undoing the nuts that hold the cage together but thank your for the advice about a swivel. Although l tried to coax her up onto the swing today she was having none of it, so l suppose her sojoining on the ceiling perch is gong to be a casual affair.

Today was Shepherd's pie we had it together , she get her own bowl and ate all the potato crisp, the preas and corn but she left most of the minced lamb.

The small amount of oyster shell grit you are giving sounds okay but l was worried it was sand grit. It does not matter to Billie if l eat it first if she does not like it, Tough! Most normal foods other birds eat Billie turns her nose up at pea nuts, dried fruit, wlanuts, almonds, Braziis, hazlenuts, bananas, and a host more l forget which.

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Post by zentoucan » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:31 am

I believe that because Delfin is still relatively young he is relying on us to guide and teach him.

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:49 pm

I had Billie's nails clipped at the vets a couple of weeks ago and now she has dificulty clinging to me as l move about, also she looks very unsure about the ceiling perch, l was wondering how long it will be before her nails grow back to points or how long will it take for her to get used to her new nails?

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Post by zentoucan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:15 am

I clipped Delfin's nails and it takes around two to three days to adjust. Delfin uses his wings a lot more to climb the lounge suite and me. as for the nails growing back I have no idea how long it takes.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:00 pm

The vet cut Billie's nails and made them bleed, it was the first time ever she had her nails cut, and she is does not look happy on the perch l hung from the ceiling, so l wont make her go on it yet.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:12 pm

Billie could not make it anyplainer, she hung on the door her cage door frame and stared at her fresh fruit bowl, and when l went to see what she was staring at l found the bowl was a horrible mess. So l threw all the fruit away and put in some new vegeatables. Also a very small piece of low fat cheese which l found later on the carpet miles from her cage. She is not the only one who does not like low fat cheese.

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:32 pm

I have just had three private messages delivered, Skyes-crew 05/02, MissK 09/01 and Ellieectrons 29/10, Hotmail once delivered 252 emails why they sit on my emails Heaven only knows but apologies for the late replies.

Soft toys is it a good idea to let our birds have them, won't they see them as a mate and feed them?

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:36 pm

Coconuts are supposed to be very good for feathers, Billie won't eat them (Coconuts not feathers) so l sprinkle desicated coconut on her fresh food container, is this as good as the real thing?

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:44 pm

I had this dream last night, thiink like a parrot, talk like a parrot wake up sitting on a perch
SQUAWK! SQUAWK!

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:44 pm

Billie and l are working on a new form of communication. Hand signals.

She lifts her right wing and waves it l wave back with my right hand and then she lift her left wing and waves it and respond by waving back with left hand. This form opf communication is not perfected yet as l wave with my left hand she looks at me as if l am daft!

And of course l am l should have waved with my right hand!

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:56 pm

I have been repeating all the words l use in the hopeshe will pick them up and repeat them but today l said to her "Give us a kiss darling" and she came up and kissed me on my lips, well tapped her beak on my lips same difference really/

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Post by AJPeter » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:44 pm

We have perfected the hand/wing signalling routine, she lifts her right wing and waves to me l lift my right hand and wave back l wave with my left hand and she waves back with her left wing.

"So what does it mean?"

"You might well ask but we have not worked out any words yet

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:54 pm

Does any on know where l can get deoderant for birds from? Billie stinks to high heaven, would your best friend tell you that you have BO? Well l told Billie, l got the impression she was saying "Look who is talking!" She turns her head away when l am talking to her as if l have bad breath odor, and you can hear me say to her "Look who is talking!"

Do birds need worming?
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Post by AJPeter » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:56 pm

When is a door not a door?

When some one calls it "Jackdaw."

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Post by AJPeter » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:06 pm

One of the problems of going it alone and doing things that no one else has done is that when it goes wrong there is no one to blame but myself, for instance last year when Billie was screaming I blew a referee's whislte at her and this stopped her in her tracks. Now l think she does not sing becasue of that experience, l know she can sing because she woke me up this morning chirping and singing along with the Dawn Chorus but as soon as she heard me she stopped.

I think the l must play more bird song to her, while l sit with her to encourage her to sing in front of me.

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Post by AJPeter » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:52 pm

I do not think l need worry about past mistakes because Billie has perked up, she sings again, not much but l try and encourage her by whistling. She really enjoys a little bit of Heaven called yogurt last thing before she goes to bed. She sits on top of her cage lording it over everybody and when l say to her "Are you going in now?" After cogitating she goes in, and so we get ready for bed.

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Post by AJPeter » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:34 pm

The nesting box is big and cumbersome and as l was trying to get it back ion the cage Billie was doing her best to stop me but l was able to convince her that there are still cold nights ahead and she might welcome a little snook.

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Post by AJPeter » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:57 pm

I was just about to leave for church today and was saying "Goodbye Billie! and she replied with a new song l have never heard before, l was ever so pleased. :D

I have never seen her eat so much, first it was eating her fill of seeds and then over to the fruit bowl, and then the hanging treat bar and back for some more seeds , she ate a tea spoonful of porridge and more seeds and this afternoon had a crust, and then some Shepherds pie, and seconds, more seeds and then over to the vegeatable bowl, and then some more hanging treat bar, and just to make sure some more seeds before she was ready for bed.

Her bare patch near her vent is healing up fast feathers are already covering most of the bare are area, it does not itch so much as it did either, at least she has stopped rubbing herself on me. It is a week since the last egg. Everything is coming up roses.

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:59 pm

Complaint?
Yes
You know what happened to the last person who complained.
No
They ended end up in the stew.
Its the parrot.
Same difference! So what is the complaint about?
She says her swimming pool is too small to bathe in.
What about that bowl the apidristra sat in.
Its too big, oh no it goes through the door sideways
So how are you going out get it out when it is full of water?
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it/

Anyone got any ideas?

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:01 pm

Does any one know where l can buy the day after the day before pill for a parrot with a hangover?

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Post by AJPeter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:39 pm

Billie won the battle of the nesting box, l have aggreed not to put it in until the breeding season next year but l craftily left some cloths thrown into a corner of the cage, for her when the cold strikes, the problem came when l tried to get the concert bowl in as well.

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Post by AJPeter » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:42 pm

I think l will go start staring raving mad.

Today l made a right hash of my pin and had it locked, the parrot has decied to kill for yogurt.

l have run out of ideas to write about

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Post by AJPeter » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:42 pm

I think l will kill this thread as it is too long and start another, The son of Parrot Speak? no a sequel? Parrot speak 2

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