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new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:49 pm

hello every one . I am happy that i found this forum that is just talking about IRN . I bought a male IRN from about a week . i dont know his age but he has a full ring around his neck and his eyes are all black. his wings are clipped . so the bird get afraid when i am near the cage but when i leave the cage door open he get out by him self and stand on the top of the cage but don't stand for long he keep moving and jumping into any thing near the cage and run away from me. when i but my finger in front of him when he is standing he climp on my finger but he quicly jump into the ground or any thing he can grab and run away from me and don't accept food from my hands even when i removed the food from the cage for 6 hours and tried to feed him from my hands he just walk around the room and climp on every thing but don't come close to me even when iam buting food in front of me. when i go near him with a sun seed in my finger he grab it and throw it, never eat it. so i don't know how to make him trust me and stand still on my hand or accept food from me . please any on tell me from where i start and what to do with this bird. thank you

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by JamesO » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:30 am

Im a new owner of an IRN too..

I am having the same issues with mine.. Although Mine i feel was abused before i purchased him.

I have alot of work to do with my Simon but with patience I'm sure I can gain his trust.


have you had any progress with yours?

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:48 pm

Best wishes,
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:52 pm

hi Jame , hi MissK ,thank u for replying > and iam sure that ur informations well be so useful for me . i didn't let him out from his cage from a few dayes i started to but to him throw the bars ,banana , apple , tomato , cucumber . but is seems that he loves the apple . tomorow . i tryed to hold a peace of food with my finger and put it throw the bars while holding it, first he was away from me in the cage ,but i stand still and didn't move while iam holding the food .he kept get closer to my hand and then he stoped step away from my hand and he was hesitating to pick up the food from my fingers and he never do that yet

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:34 am

He will! Keep the faith!

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:14 am

thanks Missk, iam trying with him to make him take the food from my hands thrw the cage bar and i don't make him go out of the cage from about the week. when i come near the cage and put a sunflower seed in my hand throw the bar far from where he is standing some times he knock with his beak on the cage bars and make abad sound bout not loud when i go far from the cage alittle he stop the sound .and when i come back holding the sunflower seend in my finger i come so slowly and but it near the bars he start moving in the cage around and come near me and move around and after a while he come near me and pick the seed from my finger but i take along time from me standing without any movment to make him do that , and some times he ignore me and go eating from his food , what u think about my situation.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Hi Guy,

I think your situation is very good, actually.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:29 pm

wonderful thread and very very enlightening. hi romantic and jamie. hope you guys overcome your problems very soon. but as Miss K said patience is the key. All the best and thanks a lot Miss K, this post is a lot of help for me too.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:31 am

thanks missk very much and thank u subodhhire. Missk u are realy helping me with this, thank you.

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Post by MissK » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:10 am

:D
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:46 am

tody I did what u said . I cut an apple to asmall pieaces and start eating it near the cage .he came near me and start looking to me I took a pieace with my fingers and gave it to him he moved in the cage and took a bite and moved away in the cage and came back and took another bite then I left between the bars he came and finshed it all .

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:44 am

Thats really great romantic. keep it up, and things will change drastically.

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Post by MissK » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:35 am

That is great
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:59 am

thank u Missk

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:42 am

hi all .toady when i was trying the technique that Missk told me that i give him some food from what i am eating . i give him a peace of apple with my fingers through the cage bars . he came hesitating to me like he it counting his steps and took some bites from the apple . but so times he is checking my fingers catching the peace of the apple and idon't know if that is biting or no(he close hi beak on my finger but not hard). and some times he take a mall bites from the apple and drop it from his beak not eating it. tell me what u think about he is doing with me . another thing i want to ask about when iam holding the food for him i keep calling him (come koko) koko is his name. and when he take a bite from the apple i tell him (good koko) is what iam doing is right . thanks for ur help

p.s. i tried to put his photo but the forum didn't allow me idon't know why

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:50 am

I think you are doing fine. Just wait till koko starts trusting you completely. Then you will really be happy for the patience that you are showing now. Just go slow and easy.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by sanjays mummi » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:19 am

Hee!, wait until Koko starts Demanding treats!, it didn't take Sanjay long to cotton on once he started accepting pieces of walnut from us. Now everytime we sir down to eat he is there, with bells on!

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:29 am

Hi Guy,
Best wishes,
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:28 am

thanks Missk iam happy that iam sharing my progress with u . i want to post a photo but i cant put the site in here it says it might be a spam ,
what i do to post a photo

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by fionalouise1989 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:19 am

you have to wait until you get 10 posts before you can post links or pictures
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:57 am

thanks fionalouise1989 for the information

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:31 am

hi all. i didn't let koko out from the cage from a long time because every time he go out when i open the cage door he run from me and try to enter a narrow places i cant reach him in it (he don't fly because previous owner cut his wings feather} . so what i should ? . don't let him out until he is used to me or let him out and leave him run away from me.

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Post by sanjays mummi » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:22 am

There doesn't seem much point in letting Koko out if he cannot fly, a bird Needs to be able to fly away if he is scared. Having said that, has he got a playstand?, where he can at least have some liberty and hopefully amuse himself with you in the same vicinity.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:21 am

I'm glad you made a post because I was wondering how you were doing with him!

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:43 pm

hi Missk . how are u ? . thank you for your concern and for your post .i liked it .i did what u told me before about sitting near the cage and watching tv and some time a i fall asleep near the cage . also my wife and my little daughter (3 years old) some time offers him a food through the cage bars and he come and taste what they offer to him even the chocolate or a cake of my daughter she but it near the cage bar and he some times come to taste it .also while iam in the work my wife talk to koko every day untill i felt that he will like her more that he like me.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:34 pm

Hi Romantic,

He is a cutie.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:28 pm

Hi Guy,

I'm fine. And I hope you and your family are well!
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:32 am

thanks subodhhire. hi Missk ,thanks for the advice .today i i opened the cage door and took the food from it and prepare a dish with apple and banana it it and sit near the cage watching tv and start eat the apple slowly , then koko got out of the cage a climb over the cage and climb to a near by table and start play and try to chew any thing on the table i let him play but i noticed him .when he try to chew some thing bad for him or it can be broken i say with a little loud voice (no , no koko) he stop it when i say no but he try to chew after 10 second .i tried to make him to come to me by eating the apple and call him with a peace of the apple in my hand but he never come .i let him for about 3 hours . then he tried to climb on a lamp on the table i was afraid the he hurt him self so i tried to but him away from the lamp i tried to but my finger in from of him to climb on it but he run from me around the table i but my other hand so he didn't have place to run he climb on my finger and jumped on another thing so he jumped on the ground and run from me . he climb to my finger when he don't have any space to run but he soon jump from it to any thing near . then my daughter wake up i was afraid the she scare him of or run after him so i picked him up after some tries of climbing and jumping i but my finger in front of the open door of the cage and he jumped from my finger to the cage . but before that i tried to offer him some apple while he is on my finger but he bit my finger.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:19 am

Hi Guy,

So sorry you got bitten!
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:32 am

Hi Romantic,

I just want to know what kind of a bite was it? I mean was it a severe one with blood coming out or was it sort of moderate which did hurt unbearably but without blood. Or was it bearable but you let go because of the fear.

I wont suggest you do it but it had worked for me. I was only 10 years old then and i had a female IRN named julie. She was very sweet when she was in her cage and use to whistle and call me by name. I wanted her out of the cage and so i started keeping the cage door open for her to come out. In a few days she started to come out but she never used to let me handle her. I was a kid then and was desperate, so inspite of her biting and screaming i started to handle her. Initially i used a towel, I used to catch her with the towel wrapped around her and then i used to speak to her very softly. In the begining she was just struggling to get free but after handling her for a couple of times she calmed down and started to respond. I then stopped using the towel and handle her with bare hands. He did not bite me again. She became so friendly after that she always wanted to sit on my shoulders and roam around. I never closed the door of her cage after that. She used to go inside the cage all by herself in the evenings and come out in the morning. She had got into a habit of climbing on my bed and calling my name to wake me up.

I still miss her a lot :(

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by sanjays mummi » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:09 am

Please do Not allow your child to feed him chocolate, it is extremely toxic to birds, as well as other pets.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:21 pm

hi everyone , thanks for all of you (sanjays mummi ,subodhhire ,Missk ) i appreciate you advice .the bite was a bad bite with blood but i didn't afraid from it i can bear some pain and show no reaction to the bite. but i was sad that he did that i felt that i will not be able to make him love me. i really like birds actually i like all the animals i have a lot of fish tanks and i had a cat but i gave it to my sister because my little daughter was treating him bad and catching him wrong that could hurt him, any way i will try again with koko and i hope that i can make any good progress . i want to try the towel method that subodhhire talked about it but i am afraid that make him hate me more. so please tell me can it work in my situation with koko. hope to hear from u soon. i like you to add me in facebook (mohammedelfeky@hotmail.com)

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Post by MissK » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:30 pm

Take heart, Guy. It's going to be OK!
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:50 am

Hey Romantic,

I told you before telling you my story that i dont suggest you do it. So be patient. It worked for me maybe luckily. But it might not work with every bird the way it worked for me and Julie.

But birds do have a very forgiving nature. I have seen IRNs handled very roughly and still they are bonded tightly to that same person who manhandles.

On second thought, I think in your case you can give it a try, :?: I think the outcome might be positive. But dont just try it once. Fix a time of your leisure and your birds leisure as well and do it for atleast 8 days. And speak to him very very softly like you would speak to a new born humans baby. And keep the session for about 15 to 20 mins daily.
Just one thing dont pull him out of the cage using the towel. Do it when he is outside. And once your days session is over the towel should disappear for the day and appear only at the fixed time next day.

Let us know if you are trying it.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:16 am

Hi,

Just wanted to know if you tried the towel technic and if yes what was the outcome?

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:48 pm

no not yet i will try it tomorrow , thank u for your concern

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:08 pm

OK waiting.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:08 am

thanks rritoch , i really did catch him with the towel from two days and he bites my as he never did before and injured me . first he make a very loud and bad sound and i kept him near my chest and whisper to him (shshshshs) to calm hm down and he really stopped the loud voice .but he kept bite me so hard and moves in the towel and get loose and i did catch hi, again when he escaped but next time he didn't scream but he just bite so hard . i was afraid that i am doing it wrong so i return him to the cage again .then i didn't catch him again since that but i tried to feed him some apple through the cage bars to see what the influence of what i did to him ,but thank god he still agree to eat the apple from my hand through the cage bar ,i don't know should i do that again or no and is that the right method or what . please tell me what should i do exactly when i catch him with the towel and how i catch him, should i just warp it around him and catch him or i should make his legs on my hand while i am catching him with the towel . thanks to all for your care .

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:34 am

Hi Romantic,

I am sorry if i was not very clear in my post about towel handling. Let me do it now.

The whole idea of using the towel is to not getting bitten by the bird. And even if he bites he bites through the towel so it wont hurt as it would if he bit directly.

Handle him firmly in the towel and dont get bitten. And if you get bitten dont let go immediately. You can roll him in the towel and then peel the top like a banana skin to expose its head. After you expose its head then start talking to him softly. And repeat this procedure for atleast 3 to 4 days.

Also i am not talking about manhandling. I am just talking about handling and to make it more tolerable for the owner as well as the bird i suggest a towel only initially. Once the bird gets used to you holding
him you can reduce the use of the towel and start using bare hands.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:47 am

thanks subodhhire . I will do that

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:50 am

Hi Romantic,

I wish you luck and please keep us updated on what is happening.

Subodh

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Post by MissK » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:19 pm

I am also very interested in seeing how this goes.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:56 am

hi guys,
today i tried the towel method again wearing a gloves in my hands , i opened the cage door and he climb and go out by himself , and then go to the ground and start running from me and hiding as he always do . then i went after him until i made him climb on my hand with plenty of biting of course the i wrapped him with the towel . he always struggle so hard when he is the towel and making a very loud bad noise opening his beak trying to bite any thing he can reach . i got a lot of bad bites from him and i injured although i am wearing the gloves . he kept that very loud sound and i was whispering to him to calm him down but he kept struggling and some time i was afraid that iam catching him hard so he escaped many timed and run to hide from me but i catch him again and do the same thing again . then i lose the towel and tried to catch him with the gloves to be able to control him more , he kept climbing my hand and want to jump to the ground or his cage and biting my hand so hard . but i stopped him with the other hand to climb it and keep doing that to prevent him from jumping to the ground and if he jump he run from me to hide but i catch him again and do the same thing with my hands i did that for about and hour and thing i put him on the cage door and he climbed in the cage and i closed the door . i don't know i am afraid that i did some thing wrong and screwed every thing . please tell me. do i do that again or i stop it , and ca i try to feed him some apple (his favorite food) when i return him to the cage or no. waiting for your reply and i hope to hear from u so soon.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:37 am

Hi Romantic,

First and the foremost thing is why did you have to use gloves when you were using towel? And still you are getting bitten? HOW??.

I suggest you please stop the towel technic immediately. Now let the bird calm down for a couple of days before you try something else. It seems you have frightened him a lot.


Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:42 am

Hey Romantic,

After i read your post again, it seems you were trying to imitate KEN GLOBUS with the gloves and holding the bird with its leg. I suggest you try only one thing at a time. If you try to do 2 things at the same time you are not going to get any results out of it.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by fionalouise1989 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:37 am

Hey guys

I have been following this post as I am also interested to see if toweling works but by the sounds of it you are just scaring the life out of him so Id take Subodh's advice and cease it immediately. If he is running away from you maybe you are better trying to build trust with food etc for now.

Maybe one day you could make a video Subodh of how to do it so people can see how to do it properly. I find it hard to understand toweling as I never try to force my bird to do anything he doesnt want to do unless he is going to come to harm. I feel like if I force him to do things in the end he will do what I want but secretly will be scared and unhappy with me. But then I guess I have no real need to force my IRN to do anything as he is pretty obediant and pleasant luckily for me.

I read earlier you said when you let him out he runs in place where you cannot get him, is there any room in your house where you can let him out where he cant hide in little places? then you could let him out around the time he eats and just sit there with food and wait til he comes to you (my birdy always seeks me out if he hears me eating no matter what he is doing) and if he doesnt try getting him to step up onto a perch to get him back in the cage. Cant remember if you said whether he steps up or not so if he doesnt disregard that suggestion.

Hope that helps
Fi

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:56 am

Hi Fi,

You are right, maybe i should make a video of how to do it cause from the above example things have been taken in a totally wrong way. But before that i should try it myself with a different bird. Cause the experience that i have with Julie was a long time back and maybe Julie was an exceptional case.

But i also want to bring one thing to your notice. Once I went with a friend of mine to buy a budgie. It was almost a 45 minutes drive from my friends place to the pet shop. We selected a budgie and the shopkeeper gave us the budgie in a thick paper bag. This Budgie was aviary bred and had minimum contact with humans.

when we got into the car, I removed the budgie from the paper bag and held him in my bare hand. he tried to struggle out of my hands, but i had kept a firm grip and was talking very softly to him. He also bit me but considering a budgie bite it was not very painful. Slowly i let go him in the car as all the windows of the car were closed. First i kept him on my lap and was still talking to him. Let me clear one thing first that i was not driving the car. My friend was driving the car. then slowly i kept him on my hand and was still talking to him softly. And by the time we reached my friends home (In 45 minutes) that budgie was almost hand tame. It required very few efforts for my friend to progress further. This is what i am talking about. It had worked for me but maybe i am not very good at telling people how to do it.

I think i will make a video someday.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by fionalouise1989 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:03 pm

Yes a video would probably be better! I guess you can do what you do with budgie and the towelling but Im always more of a let them slowly like me than forcing it on them kind of person. But I guess its whatever works for you hey.

For now I think that Romantic Guy should just stick to enticing with food to prevent any more damage to their relationship. That is just my opinion anyone can suggest anything else but thats just my thoughts anyway.

Regards Fi

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:28 pm

Yes Fi, I am also of your opinion in this case.

Subodh

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Post by MissK » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:43 pm

Hi Guy,
As always, I wish you the best!

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by Melika » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:58 am

Just to sum up, you basically have two methods to choose from.

1. Building trust by exposure to the fear and surviving. Based on the principle that every time a bird is exposed to something fearful and then survives, it is then less afraid the next time and eventually comes to realize that it will not come to harm from you.

2. Building trust through kindness. Based on the principle that if only good things only ever happen with you then the bird has nothing to fear from you.

I find them both equally difficult personally. It really just comes to personal choice and perhaps instinct. I have done what Subodh described with budgies before as well and it does work. I find toweling to be extremely intimidating with the larger birds because they bite so much harder haha and if you don't have experience with toweling you won't be able to keep the bird in the towel which ends up stressing both you and the bird too much. Sometimes having patience is just easier.

The difficult part about building trust through kindness is when you end up in a situation like MissK, where you must use force and now the bird might not trust you as much. This is the plus side of a bird accustomed to toweling, because in the event you do need to towel, the bird already knows it's fine (even if they hate it).

I do believe every bird should at least be comfortable with toweling regardless of taming method. Hane doesn't love it, but he doesn't hate me for it either. I never drop a towel from above, by the way, it's too much like a predator. I set him on the towel in my lap and wrap it over him- but I also started with a tame bird.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by jazzmyringneck » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:31 am

Ayay sorry to interrupt I used that method and I'm suffering now they totally hate me.MissK any advice on how to gain their trust again :(

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:58 am

Hi Jazzmyringneck,

I wish you the very best,
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by jazzmyringneck » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:14 am

I thank you very much Missk I made a very bad mistake the guy I purchased it from showed that method all the things you mentioned happens to me the bitting.... This answers a lot of questions I think this is the reason they start shaking
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:03 pm

Hi Melika,

First i would like to thank Melika for explaining the technic in proper techical terms. Actually i am not a very good writer and maybe i am not able to explain exactly what to do. But i have gained results and so i suggested. But now when i think over again i shouldnt have suggested something which every person cant do. As you said everyone cannot towel or handle a bird with ease and if the bird escapes again and again or starts to bite, the entire exercise goes down the drain. I think i will be more careful hence forth.
Also i am seriously thinking of making a video on toweling for everyone. But i want to do it with a new untame bird. So we will have to wait a bit for that. My alex is handfed by me and also hand tamed. And we play a lot with the towel also. So he doesnt mind me toweling him. I towel trained him keeping a illness or something unfortunate in mind. So i will not do it with my tamed bird as of now cause it will not give me the satisfaction.

Hi Miss K,

Thank you very much for suggesting the remedy. In the case of Romantic i think your technic will work the best.

Hi Pablo,

I understand that you want to tame your birds as soon as possible but please dont try anything if you are not sure of doing it right. Whether you are holding a budgie with bare hands or handling a bigger bird using a towel, It is very essential that your grip should be firm and still it should not hurt or choke the bird. It is slightly difficult to hold firmly when the bird is struggling. I suggest you also please follow Miss K advice.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:54 pm

hi all , thanks for Missk ,subodhhire ,Melika and every one.
i am afraid start loosing hope of taming my bird. After the last time i wrote about my bad experience with koko with towel method i tried to check that if he will still accept food from my hand so i bring a piece of apple and started to enter it between the cage bars and thanks god he come to it and took a bite from it so i decided to go further so i opened the cage door and the i entered my hand in the cage catching the piece of the apple with two finger and waited and after a will he came to it with caution and took a bit and gone rounding in the cage and come a gain to a second bite i tried to move my hand near the cage door every time to make him go out from the cage eating from my hand but he stops at the cage door . and when i move my hand away he climbs out of the cage by him self .the next two days i let him out from the cage without touching him even i fall asleep near the cage but he refuse to come back to the cage by him self even if he is hungry and don't attract to any food to come back to the cage so i try to pick him up without catching him to return him to the cage sure he jump from my hand a lot but every time he try to jump i but my other hand in front of him so he climb it and the the other hand until i reach the cage door and the i put he i the edge of the door the he enter the cage.Today i did the same thing of letting him out four about and hour a then picking him up but i was wearing a thick gloves to prevent the hurt of his bite because he bite a lot now :( .while he is on my hand i made him near my chest and i put a part of my robe over him while his head are uncovered and looking up to me and i start taking very quit to him he didn't make any sound but tried to bite but i didn't show any attention to it . and then i released him and but a sunflower seed in my hand to eat it he took it with his beak a threw it away and climbed on my finger with holding the sun flower . i hold him again one more time in the same way and i the released him and the i made him enter the cage. that is a long thread i hope that you don't get bored reading it. thanks for all of you

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 pm

Hi Guy,
patience

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by jazzmyringneck » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:11 am

Hello again,
Thank you subodh, MissK and others for the help you offered me and my other fellows.Guy about your ringnecks coming out of the cage I'm no expert so I'm not going to give you advice .im going to say the truth there is times where my ring necks don't listen too me and i get upset so I think of giving them away but there is this thing that doesn't allow to do it they are very smart for e.g my ringnecks exit their cage by morning without telling them (which sometimes Gud sometimes not)they stay out until it becomes darks they automatically go back in the cage until next morning which in my oppinion is great but now I'm going to start locking them in because its part of the taming instructions that Missk offerd me (thank you very much Missk)
Thank you very much I hope it helps in some way
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:37 am

Jazzmyringneck,

Hmmmm. I did not realize you let your birds out All The Time without ever closing their door. This is quite a different situation than I understood.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:25 am

Hi Romantic,

Congratulations finally you got your bird to step up on your hand. I will only put some point on the biting part that was missed by Miss K, please correct me if i am wrong, but my guess is that when you move your hand towards koko for stepping up he must be biting you then. And i know for sure that it must be a painful bite. But please believe me, If its only painful without drawing blood you have won half the race. If it is so then the towel technic has done its job.

That doesnt mean that you immediately get a towel and grab him. Now lets go real slow from here. What i suggest is if you are using gloves for him to step up, use it only in one hand. That is when you initially pick him from the floor or wherever he is perched, use the gloved hand and after that when you are stopping him from jumping from your gloved hand use the ungloved one. Do this for 2 minutes daily for 4 to 5 days. And please dont even think about a handling him with towel in between. I think after 3 to 4 days you might not require even a single glove to get Koko on your hand.

Please keep us posted on what is happening on a daily basis even if it is just routine. I wish you luck.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:34 pm

hi guys , thank you Missk and subodhhire.
well Missk there is just two things i may make them clear . koko wasn't out of the cage for the whole two days , i just let him out 1 or 2 hours in the day and then i pick him and return him to the cage with the way i mentioned before, the second thing that i am now always wearing gloves when i am trying to pick him because he bite when he climb from one hand to another because he want to jump to the ground and i prevent him from doing that by blocking the way with my other hand so he just climb it to clear the way then i put the other hand , but if have the chance to jump or he was fast enough he manage to jump to the ground. today i came from the work and i took the food out from koko cage then i wated for and hour or so then i bring some apple pieces to feed koko . i opened the cage door and feed him while my hand are in the cage he ate the most of the apple piece then i tried to make the my finger closer by moving the piece deeper in my hand he hesitating for a wile but he came and took some bites from the piece only if it isn't beyond my finger border . then i opened the cage door and set near it watching he tv and leaving a plate with some apple pieces near me .koko got out by him self and walk in the room . i fall asleep because i was so tired . when my phone ringed i wake up and i found koko standing in the top of the cage near me then i looked to the apples where was in the plate near me i found that koko ate the most of them .the i wear the gloves and picked koko to return him to the cage . i got a couple of bites from him but wasn't hard and i didn't feel them because of the gloves and he jumped one time on the ground but i picked him again and maked him climb from a hand to an another until i put him on the cage door and he entered the cage i put some food in the cage and closed the door .what do you think about that he ate from the apple close to me while iam sleeping not when i was awake ?. waiting to hear from you soon.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:05 pm

Hi Guy,

Please forgive me if I am away for a day or two. I have some things to do.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:39 pm

Hi Romantic,

You are progressing with Koko. But please i would also like to know what kind of bite is Koko delivering. I know its scary but try one gloved hand and other without glove, It will help a lot.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by KaiNinaste » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:12 am

Hi All,

I've been following the thread for a while now, and I have found it very helpful as my little Yoshi is much the same a the moment (although he will not even step on my hand yet!).

With Yoshi it is all about time, I do not want to force anything on him. What I have found very very useful is clicker training. Firstly give him treats and clicks when he takes them, you can then progress that very easy to target training. I've found it works really well with teaching Yoshi to step up, as he just flies away when I ask him to, but by clicker training him and holding the treat in a place where he has to step up he does what I ask, he gets rewarded and he gets rewarded for the right behaviour.

I am also using this for taming him. I come close to him holding a treat, I click and give him a treat and walk away. Sometimes I stroke him with his stick and ruffles his feathers, he enjoys it and has never flown away but he still gets clicked and treated once it is over.

One thing I have noticed, I have recently bought Yoshi a big cage and his behaviour has improved IMMENSELY. He doesn't freak out when I put my hand and arm in there, he doesn't freak out when we walk past and he's more than happy to go home on his own and be shut in!

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:53 am

Hi KaiNinaste,

Since you are following this thread you must have read the post of Melika. Yes there are 2 schools of thought as far as taming and training birds is concerned. What i try to do is a mixture of both schools.

For e.g. If it is a hand shy bird normally what happens is the owner is all excited about getting the bird but doesnt have the patience of taming him in the slow process. If you want to remove the fear of your hand from the birds mind properly by using trust technic it might take almost 3 months, lots of patience, some painful bites and daily frustration till he accepts your hand.

Many a time it so happens that the owners dont have that kind of time to spare or simply dont have the patience to go slow. So they just start neglecting the bird and the bird becomes worse than what he was before. I have seen such things happen and its very sad for the bird as well as the owner.

When i come across such type of birds and owners i suggest them towel stuff. It reduces the initial time frame of almost 3 months and brings it down to almost a week. Once the fear of your hand is removed from your birds mind things become a lot more easier for both the bird and its owner. The owner is keen to do things with his bird as he is allowed by the bird to touch him and accepts treats or food from his hand. Once this stage is attained it marks the begining of a wonderful relationship.

Clicker training is best according to me too. But the bird has to accept the treats from your hand and for that he should have no fear of your hand.

Subodh

P.S. Sorry i am a clumsy writer, But i think i have made my point clear.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by KaiNinaste » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:11 am

Hey,

I found clicker training a more 'friendlier' alternatively to the towel, especially as It'll help with training in the future. I'm definitely going along the patience route rather than toweling him unless I have to, I feel mean desensitising him to my hand in that way!

Jade.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:34 am

Hi Jade,

There are many ways to achieve a goal and every individual can select his own route. I wish you luck.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by triggerbug » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:39 pm

I just read through this entire thread. RomanticGuy, you are doing well! Especially after taking so many bites! And for the mere fact that you have found a way to get him back into his cage and handle him.

I am interested in the clicker training though. I saw it on youtube a few days ago. Is it merely just clicking a clicker when the bird does something you want it to do? Say I sit there for an hour and Jojo finally takes a bite of the food i'm offering him, do i click it once then? Is it that the clicking noise is friendly to the birds or just the conditioning like with Pavlov's dogs?

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by Melika » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:58 pm

If you've ever seen a dolphin or whale show, the clicker is like the dolphin trainer's whistle. It's the signal to the animal that they did what you want and now they get a treat!

You can do the same with 'good bird' or something verbal just the same. Some people just like the clicker and I think also some people are only consistent when using a clicker (from my observation of dog training) which benefits the animal.

So a clicker just means "GOOD! That's what I wanted! Now here comes a treat for you!" Takes practice to get the timing, just like any form of reward.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:12 pm

Hi triggerbug,

As Melika said clicker or rather the click only means that what the bird has done is right. It can be any other sound like a clap, whistle or just a good boy/girl. Generally a clicker is related to the birds favorite treat or food. But if you use it to trigger food itself like the example that you gave, I really dont know how that will work. I hope others will give a better solution. I personally never use a clicker.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:36 pm

Hi 'bug,

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by triggerbug » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:42 am

Ahhh I see, thanks Melika, Subodhhire and MissK for explaining it to me. I do use the 'Good Boy!' or 'Good Birdy!' after he gets to me and takes the treat, but I keep saying come on, or come on Jojo while he's creeping around the cage trying to check me out.

Good news though, he only took about three minutes to come to me this morning for his apple! :)

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:17 am

Hi trigger,

3 minutes, that is really very good. Have patience thats the key.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:25 pm

for me its about three hours to make him come to me to eat the piece of apple i am holding for him . he eventually come and stand right next to my hand and eat the major of the apple then he go and stand in his favorite spot away from me until i pick him up and return him to his cage , now when i pick him he don't bite my hand while i wearing to gloves .he may jump to the floor but when i put my hand in front of him he climbs it again.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:35 pm

Hi Romantic,

Have patience it will come to 3 seconds. You are surely improving so try the one glove technic now. Did you try it yet??

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:07 am

hi guys ,
i am losing hope with this bird , every time i let him out he jump to the flour and go to stand in a far spot from me and never look to me he look in the opposite direction all the time i leave him for four or five hour then i try to call him and tell him come koko and holding the apple in my hand "his favorite food" but he stay for a very long time away from me . he may after four or five hours when he is hungry try to come to eat the apple . and some times when i leave the plate of apple on the floor and sitting beside it and not looking to it he comes and eat the apple while i am not looking .whatever i call him he don't come by him self .some times even when he is hungry he don't come either . and when i go to pick him he run from me ( why he always run ) and when i pick him he jump to the floor and run from me . even that when i pick him i say "good koko" and give him a sunflower seed with the other hand he takes it with his beak and drop it without eating it and jump from my hand and run. i try to talk with him with a soft voice and trying to let him look to me but he always looking to the opposite direction when he is on my hand or just searching to some thing to jump on it and if he didn't find any thing he jump on the floor and guess what , he run from me :( . so is that a the end of the road and i won't be able to make him like me or there is a way . i start of thinking to sell him and search for a young bird to be easier to train . what should i do ? wait to see if he may be better or try to find a young bird.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:49 am

Hi Guy,
I am concerned that I had not understood correctly when you told about him stepping from your one hand to the next.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:23 am

Hi Romantic,
I went through your entire thread all over again to understand where things have gone wrong.
I am really very sorry to hear that you have given up hopes. But actually if you surrender now all your efforts of some many days will be a total waste. It was a big mistake from my side to suggest you towel thing. I understood the hard way that every person cannot do it in the right way. Please accept my apologies and as mentioned in my earlier I will not suggest it to anyone if I cannot show him/her, how to do it.
There is one more thing that has come to my notice, I don’t think that you have found the favorite treat for your bird yet. In all your post I have only seen you mention sunflower seed, apple and banana. Did you actually try anything else???????? If yes how many times did you try???? Many a times it might take some time for the bird to start liking a treat, and once it starts liking it, he/she will do anything to have it. This is the basic of training the birds. But what appears in your case is that you have not yet figured out Kokos favorite treat and are just fussing over why he is not coming to you.
Before you give up entirely i will suggest you something. Dont let him out of the cage at all for a whole week. Just let him relax in the cage, it seems getting him out is not working for you. Also I have noticed that you dont have the patience to handle this kind of bird. But what I am suggesting now try it and see what happens. Even then if there is no improvement you can take your decision.
Have you tried almonds and cashew nuts??? If not here is what you do.
Remove all the food from the cage at night after koko has eaten properly. Please leave the water in the cage at all times. In the morning when you must be giving Koko breakfast just put one whole almond and one whole cashew nut in his food bowl. Watch him from as far as possible as to whether he is eating it or not. After he has eaten it give him his regular food and let him just relax on his own. Don’t bother him at all. Repeat the same thing for 3 to 4 days. Now keep a watch on what he is eating first almond or cashew? Once you come to know what he is eating first stop giving the other one. Suppose if he is eating the almond first and then going for the cashew stop giving the cashew. And if he is eating the cashew first and then going for the almond stop giving him almond.
So now you will be placing either only one almond or cashew in the morning. And after one hour or so you can feed him his regular food. Don’t let him out of the cage at all.
After 3 to 4 days if it so happens that Koko gets excited to see you in the morning before you drop the almond or cashew and is waiting impatiently for you to drop the treat in the bowl and attack it immediately when you drop it in the bowl. Then from next day onwards start reducing the treat. By reducing I mean if you are giving him one almond start giving him half and slowly you should reduce it further to just a small crumb.
Hopefully if all goes well, koko will be waiting for you impatiently in the morning. He will attack the treat the moment you put it in his bowl. If/When you reach this stage start target training with a clicker inside the cage itself. Hopefully things will go smoothly after that.
This process will take approximately 2 to 3 weeks. During that time don’t try to touch KOKO at all and don’t let him out of the cage too. Try this as a last resort and please do it with full sincerity. Even then if things don’t work between you and Koko, you are free to take your decision.

Subodh

P.S. Hi everyone, Please correct me if there is an error from my side about this post.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:55 am

Hi Guy. Subodh has suggested a very clear and easy way.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:20 am

hi all , thank you Missk and subodhhire a lot . I am really happy for your concerns and the advice subodhhire gave to me i will try it first thing tomorrow and see if i can do any good thing with him before thinking of replacing him with a younger one .thanks for you again and i will let you know if there is any progress . i want to ask about some thing , my sister have a Cockatiel pair and have two eggs just hatched from about a week , she tell me that one one the young is growing good and the other one not growing , can i take the little one and try to hand feed him and care of him beside koko or that will be bad for taming koko.and what is target training and from where i can get the clicker or i can bring any thing do the same sound .

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:11 am

Hi romantic,

Do you think you can manage that. Cause young birds are very sensitive and if anything goes wrong it can be fatal for the bird. Think twice before getting the bird. Also if its only a week old baby you need to feed it every 3 to 4 hours. Can you manage that time in your daily routine? Romantic i am just confused as to what suggestion should i give you. Hand feeding is a responsibility which should be taken only if you have the right person with you to guide you. Also can you please tell me where are you located? Cause clicker is a very common thing.

Subodh

P.S. PLEASE Dont ignore Koko even if you get the cockatiel.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:11 am

hi subodhhire , i am from Egypt .i don't know where i can buy the clicker because i didn't search for it yet , but iam asking from where we can buy it to start asking around .

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:48 am

Hi Romantic,

You should get it in the pet store. And do a lot of research regarding training parrots on google. You will find all your answers there. Also there are some very good videos on youtube about training parrots. You will find target training in it.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:06 am

Hi Guy,

My best advice for you about this Cockatiel, from my heart, is that you should not raise it. You must also care for your wife, child, and Koko.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:17 am

Hi Romantic,

I totally agree with MissK.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by romantic_guy82 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:54 am

thank you guys , i will think about it again

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:09 am

Hi guys,
it's my first time to own an indian ringneck and i found it challenging to tame him. I call him Rich. I was told by the previous owner that Rich is about four months old. He is not tamed, and always run around his cage whenever I want to hold him to feed. When I get to hold him, he never bites me, so I just think that he is still tamable. He eats by himself a little already, but i think it's not enough so i try to feed him still. I wonder why he doesnt want to get out of his cage and whenever i hold him out of his cage, he seems very uneasy and always tries to get back to the cage. I observe that he can be easily handheld during nightime but during daytime, I really find him hard to hold. He doesn't want to step up on my fingers, even at night. Can I still tame him?

Thanks and reading through all posts here makes me learn something about IRN's.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:10 am

Hi Romantic,

Not heard from you for some time. How are things between you and koko?

Hi leo,

You can tame Rich but please be patient. It seems that you are force feeding him which is very wrong. Is Rich properly weaned or still in the weaning process? And please dont handle him by day or by night against his will. Just stay put, observe him for a couple of days its ok if he is eating less. Many a time in the weaning process the birds tend to eat less. And let us know what your observations are.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:20 am

Hi Guys,
Just want to share my latest observations on my new Rich. Well, I'm quite happy with the progress though sometimes feel impatient on taming him. During daytime he really seems to avoid me, but during night time, he lets me scrub his head and seems relax. I don't understand why his behavior changes during day and night times. I am not anymore handfeeding him since he now eats a lot by himself. He likes sunflower a lot and he also likes banana. I cant wait until he becomes really tamed at all times.
I am working during daytime and I only have so much time with him whenever I arrive home at night, maybe the reason why he is not so easy to be tamed. But I am not losing hope he will be tamed soon.


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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:05 am

Hi Guys,
I tried to post a picture of Rich, but it didn't work. I used photobucket to upload pix, but it still didn't work. Please help how to post.

thanks guys...

Leo
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:29 pm

Hope this one will work...

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He is Rich, my new IRN
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:49 am

Hi Leo,

Its a beautiful bird that you have. Why dont you try to interact with him in the mornings. You should get good results.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by Little Buttercup » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:51 am

Very nice thread this with lots of info in. I only see it now! Anyway, wondering how its going with Koko. Do you still have him, Guy? Or gave up on him?

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:56 am

I am dying to know the same thing.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:27 pm

Tnx Subodh for appreciating my IRN. How I wish to interact with him in the morning, but since i am working during daytime and I have to leave home very early in the morning, I dont really have much time with him except for preparing his food and water. so it's only on saturdays and sundays maybe.
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:56 am

Hi leo,

What happened to the tail?

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:02 am

The previous owner told me that the tail broke at the cage bars while he was trying to forcefeed him. That is already the tail condition when i got him a 2 weeks ago...
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:11 am

How soon do you think it would regenerate? I am really looking forward to have it grown to its normal...
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:20 am

It should take another 6 to 8 months.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:41 pm

Im glad it doesnt take too long to regenerate Rich's tail feathers. :)
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by subodhhire » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:25 pm

Hi Leo,

Thats really great.

Subodh

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:48 pm

Last time i handled Rich to play, I placed her near a mirror and she regurgitated, why did she do that? Does she want to feed her image? Is this a sign that she really is a "she"? Is she becoming a young adult now?
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by leo1955 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:06 am

meet Indie, my new IRN:
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:56 am

Congratulations Leo!
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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by ellieelectrons » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:38 pm

leo1955 wrote:Last time i handled Rich to play, I placed her near a mirror and she regurgitated, why did she do that? Does she want to feed her image? Is this a sign that she really is a "she"? Is she becoming a young adult now?
Hi Leo

Regurgitating to her/his own image is something both males and females will do. It means s/he wants a mate but it doesn't mean you have to give her one.

Ellie.

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by AlphaWolf » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:29 pm

I know that this is an old thread but Wow, tons of taming of information for newbies. Wonder what happened to Koko and Guy?
"Live with parrots and you learn to panic"

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Re: new owner of IRN

Post by MissK » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:40 pm

I wish we knew.
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