HE IS A BIG BY NOW AND ISNT VERY NICE ANYMORE =( HELP!

[**_ASTERI_BABI_**]

my once sweet little irn turned one at the end of 2010 and a couple months later got his black ring developing under his chin and around his neck. he also grew ALOT. he almost doubled in size within a few short months lol. from the moment his ring emerged he changed completely, 360 degrees, it is so frustrating and scary and even saddening becuase we feel like we lost our little sweet baby. he was hand raised 3 months old when we got him. so gentle and loving and curious and talkative, a soft sweet voice and genius mimic as well as super smart. he is still most those things plus a whole lot more.. he is very aggressive and angry and loud and he attacks and bites is super teritorial and very purposely defiant. he screams n shreaks when angry, he throws things (yes like a 2 year old having a very bad tantrum!) he bites he paces if you ignore him he fights with his toys he talks and yells and squeels many nights in the dark covered..all night long. my family are so devistated by his new behaviours they are taking it personally and i am trying not to but its hard.. dont know what to do. threats have been made to rehome him.. im at my witts end i need good practical advise please

[dog_glenn123]

Hi it sounds like his bluffings got way out of hand.

It also seems as though he has desided he is alfa dog, the only person that can start to
turn is behaviour around will be who he likes the most.

There are lots of ways to do this but you need to find what works for your bird.

I have 1 tame bird but he is in an aviary and only goes near my 3 year old son doesnt like anyone else!!!.

From what i have read it is alot of hard work and can take over a year to get him back to normal.

To give you peace and quiet at night move his cage outside, he is a bird and they have servived millions of years out there so it wont hurt him.

Regarding the training hopefully somebody will give you more advise.

Unfortunaitly IRN are very aggressive and people dont read up enough on them before
they purchase them (not saying you didnt) but if other people read this and wont to
buy a IRN they need to think long and hard about it.

Thanks Glenn

[dog_glenn123]

Yep can explain a bit more about it.

Just so you know i breed IRN's and dont have hand raised birds as such.

Now there is a difference between hand raised and hand fed some people (breeders) hand feed there birds but only have contact with them at feed times so really little other contact in these cases the birds can be force fed as they are scared of being handled.

Now buying one from the petshop also has its issues, they are purchest from the breeder and stuck in the display and really not handled from there, you could imagine all the kids that come in and scare the crap out of them, so by the time the buyer gets there new bird it some what untamed and scitish as you would expect.

Out of all the parrot species the IRN's are the quickest to go back to being wild especially around breeding season. so they need to be handled often,

They go through probably the worst bluffing as well and hurt when they bite (blood).

No females are worse then any male i have ever seen in the way of aggression again around breeding season.

They also will bond usually with only one person everyone else is the enemy and competition for attension, also that person they bond with may not be the person that buys it.
(Ask anyone on the site they will tell you the bird likes there mum,dad partner etc better.

Now also be aware that IRN's will live between 25 to 30 years just have a think about that as well before you buy them, (mind you so do most of the large parrots others upto 100).

All that said some can be amazing and you could have a minor bluffing stage and the bird goes back to normal.

Now if you ever decide to get them a partner (another bird) they dont always except them and one or the other can be killed in there fights.

Hope it helps and i am not trying to scare anyone from getting one but everone needs to understand that there not a budgee or a canary.

Thanks Glenn

[Dare2b]

Agree with Glenn on this one.

I breed IRN's I hand raise them as well. My male (7 months old) comes to work with me most days. He is a very dominate bird, but when he is getting out of hand he gets time out. He has learnt that no means no and hates to be put in his cage so generally stops as soon as no is said.

I was given 7 ringnecks alone last year to retrain or rehome due to agression. Most were not well handled when purchased. Most did not have a lot of time spent with them each day so the birds became bored and tried to get attention in other ways.

With all my babies I offer the new owners to spend time with them before the birds are ready to leave so they can see exactly what they are in store for, understand how to deal with it and are not walking blindly into an attitude problem with bite!

[**_ASTERI_BABI_**]

thank you so much for the responses. glenn i dont know if i can put him outside he has always been an indoor bird
I have tried tough love and he is disiplained daily he bad behaviour is always adressed, basically we have a two year old child in the body of a bird, he gets time out he get rewards taken away and he knows what no means he aknowledges he is in trouble (scarily smart bird).
I researched and read up on this breed for 6 months before we got asteri, i even researched the various breeders and chose him before he was born, he was hand reared and raised. he was an angel a true pleasure & valuable member of the fam up until a few months ago! i prepared for the bluffing and there was a little of that for about a month or less at around 9 months old, then he was back to normal completely. but its as soon as he developed the ring two months after his 1st birthday that he seemed to change overnight! its very distressing. everyday its a huge issue, he takes up our lives - which would be fine if it was because of pleasure & bonding etc but its simply angst and frustration all day everyday and even some nights all night long. i am discouraged to hear you think it will take one year to rectify =(
I was under the impression irn live for 15 -18 years, perhaps this is the ones in the wild. most domestic animals live much longer than their wild cousins.
sigh.
anymore adive would be very appreciated.
thanks guys..

oh btw a pet shop assistant sudgested a mate.. i have to say i feel like this is a VERY BAD IDEA. what do you all think?

[dog_glenn123]

Yer most IRN's in the wild live about that but captive live much longer.

My comments wherent direct straight at you i just noticed that as IRN's become more affordable more people have them and more people have the same issues.

He is now mature and probably at his horniest.(i know not the right choice of words).
You say a 2 year old but he actually is more like a 17 year, just think about that what on every 17 year old boys mind!!!.

Before i read your PS i was thinking a mate for him as well.

that has its own issues you may never get him back to normal again if you do that.

What country are you in. it may be breeding season and just becasue you cant hear a local IRN doesnt mean he cant. It could be what distracting him.

Night time is a different issue all together you may have to break down each issue and treat it seperatly.

Maybe try and put him to sleep with the cover but when you guys go to bed take the cover off this way he may see when he wakes up nobody else is up and just curl up back to sleep.

The aggression myself i think you beleive the bluffing started n stopped myself i think it was the calm before the storm, try things you tried before but 10 fold.

Thanks Glenn

Hopefully other people that hand raise and tame input, as i said i dont do it myself.

[ellieelectrons]

I am a believer in getting them a mate although you do run the risk of them not bonding to each other and it may affect their relationship to you. Our two have been cohabitating for over a year now although our male bird isn't mature yet (we are still waiting for his ring to appear). So far it seems ok. They are both tame and they have each other for company when we are not home.

Where are you located? I recently went to parrot preschool and found it helpful. There are also some parrot behavior specialists that can come to your home to help you. You would want to make sure they had a good reputation though.

Ellie.

[**_ASTERI_BABI_**]

thanks guys for all your advice and help. Things are not better they are worse, I have come to the very sad and unfortunate conclusion that I will need to rehome Asteri. If you know anyone in the brisbane area who would be able to deal with a tempermental indian ring neck such as mine and who could provide him with the care and attention he needs please contact me.
he is so gorgeous, he already has his ring at only a year old, he is in top condition and health, he is also quite large for his age and breed. his beautiful rare silver colour turns heads all the time. I hope I can find him a suitable home..

[ellieelectrons]

There are bird behavior experts ta can help you. I know one in the Brisbane area. Pm me if you ant his details. Ellie