Hi I would like imformation on pairing father & daughter is this OK
If not please explain
Male Sky Blue has ino in him
Female ( daughter ) Sky Blue male ino x Blue Hen = blue hen daughter
What would be the out come if paired
Bruce
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A cinnamon blue split ino (the male) with a blue hen, would be a relatively soso pairing.
Young males from that pair would be blue split cinnamon, possibly split ino.
Young hens would be blue cinnamon or albino cinnamon... which is just visual albino.
Now... inbreeding birds is really not a smart move. We have problems with inbreed ringnecks in some mutations as it is in some peoples blood lines of the rarer breeds, as you cant import these fellas anymore.... now the last thing you would want to do is inbreed cheap mutations that is very easy to avoid.
Ideally you would want either a blue or grey cinnamon hen to go with it to get cinnamon young males and females regularly.
Or you could get a step up and get a creamino hen to put with it. If your lucky there might be a breeder out there with a cinnamon creamino.. though unlikely.
Creamino hen with it would give:
Males--
blue ino split cinnamon (albino visual)
creamino split cinnamon (creamino visual)
blue split ino split cinnamon (blue visual)
turquoise split cinnamon split ino (turquoise blue visual)
Hens--
blue cinnamon (sky blue)
turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon (sky blue turquoise)
blue ino cinnamon (albino visual)
turquoise(parblue)Blue ino cinnamon (creamino visual)
A lovely mix, clean blood... happy healthy birds...
Really.. mixing bloodlines that have no need at all to be mixed is a very very bad idea. Especially since all we have in Australia... is all we will ever have.
Young males from that pair would be blue split cinnamon, possibly split ino.
Young hens would be blue cinnamon or albino cinnamon... which is just visual albino.
Now... inbreeding birds is really not a smart move. We have problems with inbreed ringnecks in some mutations as it is in some peoples blood lines of the rarer breeds, as you cant import these fellas anymore.... now the last thing you would want to do is inbreed cheap mutations that is very easy to avoid.
Ideally you would want either a blue or grey cinnamon hen to go with it to get cinnamon young males and females regularly.
Or you could get a step up and get a creamino hen to put with it. If your lucky there might be a breeder out there with a cinnamon creamino.. though unlikely.
Creamino hen with it would give:
Males--
blue ino split cinnamon (albino visual)
creamino split cinnamon (creamino visual)
blue split ino split cinnamon (blue visual)
turquoise split cinnamon split ino (turquoise blue visual)
Hens--
blue cinnamon (sky blue)
turquoise(parblue)Blue cinnamon (sky blue turquoise)
blue ino cinnamon (albino visual)
turquoise(parblue)Blue ino cinnamon (creamino visual)
A lovely mix, clean blood... happy healthy birds...
Really.. mixing bloodlines that have no need at all to be mixed is a very very bad idea. Especially since all we have in Australia... is all we will ever have.
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Thank you for the imformation I will take your advise
I was trying to get the same results as I have lost my blue hen got out of the
cage with one of her chicks . OK how do I produce a DF blue as I am new
to breeding . Also how do tell what bird is ? As the gentics say cock produces
this & hen produces that . I look at the IRN we have produce some lighter
blue then others , so have light claw nails some have black
And wing & tail feathers differ in colour from dark blackish to grey
One bird cock has dark blue head above the ring & light blue to grey .
And got offered a blue/violet hen I was understanding that hens cannot
be split
I was trying to get the same results as I have lost my blue hen got out of the
cage with one of her chicks . OK how do I produce a DF blue as I am new
to breeding . Also how do tell what bird is ? As the gentics say cock produces
this & hen produces that . I look at the IRN we have produce some lighter
blue then others , so have light claw nails some have black
And wing & tail feathers differ in colour from dark blackish to grey
One bird cock has dark blue head above the ring & light blue to grey .
And got offered a blue/violet hen I was understanding that hens cannot
be split
You cant have a blue bird split to the following linked mutations.
Violet
Dark (cobalt)
Turquoise
They are all either visual... or not at all in blue birds. So that person is being false... or does not know better.
Visual blue is the green mutation taken out of the subject, and is not really refered to as Double Factor with ringnecks. The dark gene, linked with blue, is different.
Blue requires:
One parent blue, one parent split blue.
Two parents split blue.
Both blue.
Any other pairing, like one blue, and one non blue non split blue, will produce babies that are just split for blue.
A Blue bird does not have any capability to produce green young on from its own bloodline from then on... its all up the bird you put with it.
In regards to saying what they could be... would really need a pic of the birds in question, as verbal descriptions with ringnecks can be so heavily linked with two or more mutations, and often some different mutations in the one bird, that giving an answer is near impossible.
Depending on the mutation and the sex of the bird with the mutation, one simple factor in either sex can have a huge impact, or almost non at all on the visual nature of the young.
Cinnamon lightens the birds colouration, and makes their toes appear lighter in the nails. Just an assumption without a pic. This is a Sex Linked recessive mutation, so depending on the parents you can get mixed results.
Violet
Dark (cobalt)
Turquoise
They are all either visual... or not at all in blue birds. So that person is being false... or does not know better.
Visual blue is the green mutation taken out of the subject, and is not really refered to as Double Factor with ringnecks. The dark gene, linked with blue, is different.
Blue requires:
One parent blue, one parent split blue.
Two parents split blue.
Both blue.
Any other pairing, like one blue, and one non blue non split blue, will produce babies that are just split for blue.
A Blue bird does not have any capability to produce green young on from its own bloodline from then on... its all up the bird you put with it.
In regards to saying what they could be... would really need a pic of the birds in question, as verbal descriptions with ringnecks can be so heavily linked with two or more mutations, and often some different mutations in the one bird, that giving an answer is near impossible.
Depending on the mutation and the sex of the bird with the mutation, one simple factor in either sex can have a huge impact, or almost non at all on the visual nature of the young.
Cinnamon lightens the birds colouration, and makes their toes appear lighter in the nails. Just an assumption without a pic. This is a Sex Linked recessive mutation, so depending on the parents you can get mixed results.
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Thank you I have a lot to study in breeding my IRNs So you need photo
to be able ID the mutations So I need take photos of front , back , Top of
wings, under wings & legs
I only have film camera will take photos , scan & then post
I have paired a grey/lacewing cock to a greygreen hen is this OK
What would be the possible outcome
to be able ID the mutations So I need take photos of front , back , Top of
wings, under wings & legs
I only have film camera will take photos , scan & then post
I have paired a grey/lacewing cock to a greygreen hen is this OK
What would be the possible outcome
Underwing shots dont matter with IRN mutations, its flight feathers, heads, and prefarably a good side/rear and side/front shot of the bird that helps. In those body shots try to get a pic of the feet/nails.
I regards to pairing birds, in all honestly when it comes to grey's you want to try and avoid putting two greys together. Its not a big deal, and really, I am a big believer that if the pairs go well together, and your happy with them, not much else really matters.
However two greys can and will throw double factor greys. A DF grey with any bird that isnt grey, all young will have the grey gene.
That pairing will give. (if the grey /pallid is visual grey.. not greygreen).
Males:
GreyGreen /blue /pallid
Green /blue /pallid
GreyGreen /blue
Green /blue
Girls:
GreyGreen /blue
Green /blue
GreyGreen Pallid /blue
Green Pallid /blue
Each GreyGreen bird of the above has a chance of being a Double Factor Grey... like I said above would mean their young will all carry the grey gene regardless of the presence of grey in the other bird.
You also wont know which males are split pallid. But you will know they are all split blue.
There are lots of mutations in IRN's, many of which are commonly mixed together, hence why pics are really the only way to go for us to give a good idea of what it is... even then lighting can actually have an effect as well.
I regards to pairing birds, in all honestly when it comes to grey's you want to try and avoid putting two greys together. Its not a big deal, and really, I am a big believer that if the pairs go well together, and your happy with them, not much else really matters.
However two greys can and will throw double factor greys. A DF grey with any bird that isnt grey, all young will have the grey gene.
That pairing will give. (if the grey /pallid is visual grey.. not greygreen).
Males:
GreyGreen /blue /pallid
Green /blue /pallid
GreyGreen /blue
Green /blue
Girls:
GreyGreen /blue
Green /blue
GreyGreen Pallid /blue
Green Pallid /blue
Each GreyGreen bird of the above has a chance of being a Double Factor Grey... like I said above would mean their young will all carry the grey gene regardless of the presence of grey in the other bird.
You also wont know which males are split pallid. But you will know they are all split blue.
There are lots of mutations in IRN's, many of which are commonly mixed together, hence why pics are really the only way to go for us to give a good idea of what it is... even then lighting can actually have an effect as well.
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Hi again
This imformation is great as I am trying to make program for next season
instead of just putting pairs together . At least knowing a little about where
I am going . Trying to breed good quality healthy brirds
I also have pair of GreyGreen Hen x (silver ) Cinnamon Grey Cock both
now 3 years old may breed this year
Does this combernation apply the same as GreyGreen x Grey/Pallid (visual
grey )
Also you have made a comment that split pallid males may not be split pallid
you cannot tell visually. in this case you can only tell by breeding and visually looking at the results.
Am I right saying males carry 2 gens & females carry 1 gen
Does DF change girls to carry 2 gens
This imformation is great as I am trying to make program for next season
instead of just putting pairs together . At least knowing a little about where
I am going . Trying to breed good quality healthy brirds
I also have pair of GreyGreen Hen x (silver ) Cinnamon Grey Cock both
now 3 years old may breed this year
Does this combernation apply the same as GreyGreen x Grey/Pallid (visual
grey )
Also you have made a comment that split pallid males may not be split pallid
you cannot tell visually. in this case you can only tell by breeding and visually looking at the results.
Am I right saying males carry 2 gens & females carry 1 gen
Does DF change girls to carry 2 gens