Predicting colors using GenCalc

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:05 pm

I think this topic deserves its own thread so I'm continuing on from this link: http://www.indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5984

For the pairing:

Blue cock x Lutino hen

pinkdevil wrote:lol this is like being back at school doing exams lol. So nerve racking lol

Ok I entered the pair and I came up with......
100% green/blue ino males
&
100% green/blue hens also.

pinkdevil and lovemybirds you're both correct. well done! For the rests, here's how it was done:

1. Start on the GenCalc webpage http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PsitIR

2. For the Blue cock, click on the "Blue" selection under the 1.0 column (1.0 means male) and "Visual" sub-column.

3. To annotate the hen, click on the "Ino" selection under the 0.1 column (0.1 means female] and "Visual" sub-column.

4. Click the "Show Genetic Code" selection box on the bottom of the page and then click on "Generate"

5. If you made the proper selections, the results would be the same as what pinkdevil and lovemybirds had indicated.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:27 pm

pinkdevil wrote:
On the genetics code in the results, what does this mean bl+/bl;ino+/ino; & bl+/bl;? Does the "bl+" represent green?

Each one of those codes correspond to the color gene found in one chromosome. But since chromosomes always come in pairs, so will those genetic color codes.

A visual blue bird will have genetic code of bl/bl. This means that the first chromosome contains a blue gene and the second chromosome also contains a blue gene. The chromosomes are separated by a slash "/" sign. Since Blue is a recessive mutation, two Blue genes are required to produce the visual Blue color.

The Green or wildtype gene is represented by a "+" sign. A genetic code of bl+/bl means that there is a Green gene (bl+) residing on the first chromosome and a Blue gene (bl) on the second chromosome. Since the bird only has one Blue gene, he will only be split Blue and the Dominant or Default color of Green will be its coloration.

A Lutino male bird would have a genetic code of Ino/Ino
A Green split Lutino bird would have it as Ino+/Ino.

A TurquoiseBlue bird would have a genetic code of bltq/bl
A Green split Turquoise would have a genetic code of bltq+/bltq

So everytime you see a "+" sign on the genetic code, it means that the color Green is present.

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:28 pm

YAY.....gimme hi five, lovemybirds...we did it!! :lol:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:32 pm

Try this next one.

Blue cock x Lutino/Blue hen

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:37 pm

Someone asked what they would get from a cinnamon hen (she has a touch of yellow on the top of her wings and head) and a turquoise male
As I don't know what the touch of yellow would be, I ignored the "touch of yellow" and just punched into the genetics calculator..........

turquoise(parblue) & splits to blue for male
&
cinnamon only for hen, giving me this result.....

males
50.0% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 green /blue cinnamon

hens
50.0% 0.1 green /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 0.1 green /blue

was this a correct outcome when ignoring the "touch of yellow"?

If so then the chicks would be visually green with split colours?

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:55 pm

another test

okies......

Males
25.0% 1.0 blue /ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 blue
25.0% 1.0 green /blue

Hens
25.0% 0.1 blue ino
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 blue
25.0% 0.1 green /blue

ok see if I understand this correctly.
Besides the obvious green outcome, (ie green/blue etc), blue/ino & ino/blue both carry the green gene as the little "+" sign is present in those genetic codes?

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:33 am

* Gives pinkdevil a high five* and continues with a happy dance :wink:

Now here's my answer for the Blue x Lutino/Blue

Cocks
50.0% 1.0 blue /ino
50.0% 1.0 green /blue ino

Hens
50.0% 0.1 blue
50.0% 0.1 green /blue

I get confused about which blue to use on gencalc

Obviously we used different choices pinkdevil

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:34 am

Hmmmm I just re did it and got the same answer as you did lovemybirds.

I don't know what I did before, unless I had another colour checked from playing with it prior to doing this one

Oh well I failed this time

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:45 am

DOH!!! just worked out what I had done....the ino x2 was checked in the male column. When I hit the wrong button and clicked on it it stayed there...gotta double click it to get rid of it...... :oops:

Well for anyone who wants to know what you get if you have a blue/ino x2 with a lutino/blue...see my above answer lol

*makes mental note....always hit "reset" button to make sure* :lol:

Well I am blonde after all....thats my excuse

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:07 pm

Thought you must have done something like that :lol:

. At least, you can use your hair colour as an excuse :wink:

I will have to think of something else when I slip up!

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:53 pm

*hands a bottle of peroxide over*

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:38 am

Good job ladies. Doing great so far. For those of you who would like to know how the offsprings were derived for:

Blue male x Lutino/Blue hen

1. Click on RESET on the bottom of the page to make sure no selection is picked from a previous calculation.

2. For the male, click "Blue" under the VISUAL column.

3. For the hen, click "Ino" under the VISUAL column and select "Blue" under the SPLITS TO column.

4. Click on the "SHOW GENETIC CODE" box at the bottom then click on "GENERATE"

Your results should be as follows:

Blue male x Lutino/Blue hen
=50% Blue/Ino males (this is the same as Blue split to Lutino)
=50% Green/Blue Ino males (this is the same as Green split Blue split Lutino or Green split Albino)
=50% Green/Blue hens
=50% Blue hens

Kool.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:07 am

pinkdevil wrote:ok see if I understand this correctly.
Besides the obvious green outcome, (ie green/blue etc), blue/ino & ino/blue both carry the green gene as the little "+" sign is present in those genetic codes?

Let me see if I can explain this in simpler terms.

A chromosome is divided into sections called locus (plural would be loci). Some of the loci is assigned to traits that determine the feather coloration of the bird. These will be called the color loci.

Each locus can only be occupied by one gene at any given time. So in any given chromosome, there will be a Blue Locus, Lutino Locus, Cinnamon Locus, etc.

For a pure Green bird however, each one of its color loci will contain a wild-type gene (Green gene) since it would have no mutation on it. In other words, on his Blue Locus, the genes present would be bl+/bl+.

However on a Green split Blue bird, one of the wild-type genes residing in the Blue Locus had mutated into a Blue Gene. As such, his color genetic code would now be bl+/bl.

On a pure Blue bird, the individual would have two Blue mutated genes so his color genetic code will be bl/bl.

Now even a pure Blue bird will have a Lutino Locus. But on its Lutino Locus, only Green genes reside on them. Although there are Green genes on this bird, these genes cannot dominate the color Blue because Blue came in a pair. A pair of recessive genes will dominate the Green color.

A male Blue bird would really have a genetic code of bl/bl;ino+/ino+ ... So two Blue genes and 2 Green genes residing on the Ino locus.

A male Blue split Lutino bird would have a genetic code bl/bl;ino+/ino ... So two Blue genes, one Lutino gene, and one Green gene.

A male Blue Lutino (Albino) would have a code of bl/bl;ino/ino ... So two Blue genes and two Lutino genes.

Hope I didn't confuse you too much. :wink:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:13 am

Next one:

TurquoiseBlue/Lutino cock x Lutino hen

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:54 pm

TorquiseBlue/Lutino x Lutino

Cocks
50.0% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
50.0% 1.0 ino /turquoise(parblue)

Hens
50.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 0.1 green /turquoise(parblue)

I'm hoping I don't need that bottle of peroxide! :lol:

Don't forget to hit reset :wink:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:05 am

Not quite lovemybirds...

For the TurquoiseBlue male, the "Turquoise" and "Blue" has to be selected. Select the "Turquoise" under the VISUAL column and "Blue" under the SPLITS TO column.

So give it one more shot ...

Important Notes:

TurquoiseBlue=SingleFactor Turquoise=PastelBlue
* This bird has one Turquoise gene and one Blue gene.

Turquoise=DoubleFactor Turquoise=Pastel
*This bird has two Turquoise genes.

** Turquoise and Blue, and a third mutation called Aqua are all members of the Blue family of mutations and all reside in the Blue Locus. So as long as you have two of these genes present in one bird, then the bird will show a Blue family coloration.

** Turquoise and Aqua are sometimes referred to as parBlue mutations meaning they are partial blues.

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:09 pm

I got in a bit late for this one.

No puter on Sunday.

Males
25.0% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 ino /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 1.0 ino /blue

Females
25.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 green /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 green /blue

I think I am begining to understand what you wrote Jay :roll:

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:16 pm

I didn't think I was correct

. At least I am learning something! There is so much to this genetics, but I am enjoying learning.

Cocks
25.0% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
25.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
25.0% 1.0 ino /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 1.0 ino /blue

Hens
25.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 ino /blue
25.0% 0.1 green /turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 green /blue

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:21 pm

Good job. You ladies are learning quick.

Now let's try a pairing that Rick had asked on another thread.

Grey Dominant Edge_Dilute male x Blue hen

Things to remember:

* visual Grey = Grey + Blue
* Unless mentioned as a Double-Factor(DF), a dominant mutation such as Grey or Dominant Edge_Dilute defaults to Single-Factor(SF).

Good luck. Rick you should try to join in :wink:

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:52 pm

Well this one is a bit harder

But here is my guess ... ahem, I mean calculation :wink:

Cocks

25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue
25.0% 1.0 blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 1.0 blue

Hens

25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue
25.0% 0.1 blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 0.1 blue

Thanks so much for taking the time to pass on your knowledge Jay! I'm finding myself eagerly waiting each test

and playing around with the Gencalc.

Thanks for your tips too :wink:

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:51 pm

You throwing in a tricky one here Jay :roll:

Grey Dominant Edge_Dilute male x Blue hen

males
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue
25.0% 1.0 blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 1.0 blue

females
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue
25.0% 0.1 blue edge_dilution(sf)
25.0% 0.1 blue

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:37 am

We must be right :wink:

We got the same answer!

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:08 am

Or, (being the ever pessimistic person I am)

we both got it wrong!! lol :lol:

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:27 am

So try this one:

1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:55 am

Chriskoi wrote:So try this one:

1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail

Good job again lovemybirds and pinkdevil. We're on a roll :lol:

Ok for Chriskoi's pairing, here are some hints.

Turquoise = Turquoise + Blue
Cobalt = Dark (SF) + Blue
Turquoise Cobalt = Dark (SF) + Turquoise + Blue
Violet = Violet (SF) + Blue

Have at it.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 am

Chriskoi wrote:So try this one:

1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail

Do you have such birds Chriskoi?

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:00 pm

Not excatly these birds. I have a couple of 1,0 turquoise cobalt / cleartail x 0,1 violet / cleartail. It isn't my dream couple. But the couple mentioned above is much more expensive.

So i bought these birds.

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:00 pm

Hmmmm...... lot of results for this one.....if I have done it correctly lol

males
10.75% 1.0 blue cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoiseBlue cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoiseBlue /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoiseBlue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoiseBlue violet(sf) /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoiseBlue cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoiseBlue /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoiseBlue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoiseBlue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /cleartail

females
10.75% 0.1 blue cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoiseBlue cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoiseBlue /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoiseBlue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoiseBlue violet(sf) /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoiseBlue cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoiseBlue /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoiseBlue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise)Blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) /cleartail

What does the "D" and the T1 & T2 that pops up on the calculator mean?

So a blue cleartail would also be a Whitehead-Whitetail?

<------have graduated to the "kool dude" :lol:

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:06 pm

WOW you sure have alot of different colours there Chriskoi!!

Nearly every colour under the rainbow lol

I wonder if there will ever be a black IRN?

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:10 pm

Yes Cleartail is WHWT. T1 and T2 are the two typs of darkgrenn / blue birds.

the children of a green x mauve are all type 2 (bl+_D+/bl_D)
and the children of olifgreen(DF darkgreen) x blue are all type 1 (bl+_D/bl_D+)

But all children of both couples are darkgreen/blue.

The basis for these two typs is crossing over.

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:15 pm

pinkdevil wrote:I wonder if there will ever be a black IRN?

Not a real black one, but with a black head (from an austrian bird keeper):

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4811/dscn5557vc4.jpg

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:20 pm

eeewwwwww...sorry but eeeewwwww :shock:

It just doesn't look right

I think an all black bird would be better.

They look like they are wearing little hoods lol :lol:

Bella · Post by **Bella** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:27 pm

pinkdevil wrote: I think an all black bird would be better.

You'd never know the sex by looking it then :lol:

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:34 pm

Cleartail torquoise Cobalt Cock x Violet/cleartail Hen

Males

10.75% 1.0 blue cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 1.0 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue /cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 1.0 D blue violet(sf) /cleartail

Hens
10.75% 0.1 blue cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 0.1 blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue /cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) cleartail
10.75% 0.1 D turquoise(parblue)Blue violet(sf) /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue /cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) cleartail
1.75% 0.1 D blue violet(sf) /cleartail

Why does my answers have (parblue) in them & yours don't pinkdevil?

other than that we have the same answer.

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:11 pm

It is the same lovemybirds, I just didn't type parblue in....I was assuming parblue is another name for turquoise lol

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:41 pm

That's what I thought, but just wanted to check.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:17 am

Both of you are correct again! Nice going.

pinkdevil wrote:What does the "D" and the T1 & T2 that pops up on the calculator mean?

The D means the Dark Factor, a mutation when combined with Blue produces the Cobalt IRN color.

T1 and T2 denotes if the single Dark Factor gene is linked in one common chromosome with the Turquoise gene (T1 selection) or to the Blue gene (T2 selection). Can't tell visually unless the exact genetics of the male's parents is known. Obviously, breeding results will vary for both as known crossover rates are incorporated. For the Blue and Dark loci, the crossover rate is 14%.

T1 and T2 are the two typs of darkgrenn / blue birds.

More accurately, T1 and T2 signifies the type of linkage between linked mutations such as the Blue and Dark Factor. For Rasek's GenCalc, Type 1 (T1) would be genes linked in repulsion (aka trans linkage, or linked genes reside in opposing chromosomes) and Type 2 (T2) would be linked in coupling (aka cis linkage, or linked genes reside in the same chromosome).

TIP:

When no sex-linked gene is involved in the pairing (Lutino, Pallid, Opaline or Cinnamon) all hen and cock offsprings will be the same. So no need to make separate result charts for cocks and hens. It's a waste of time. If you notice the results above, hens and cocks have the same color outcome and percentages. :wink:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:26 am

Chriskoi wrote:
pinkdevil wrote:I wonder if there will ever be a black IRN?

Not a real black one, but with a black head (from an austrian bird keeper):

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4811/dscn5557vc4.jpg

Nice IRN Photoshop mutation :lol:

Two of my VioletGreen birds made it to your website. Kool

http://irn.ilyck.de/Index.php?Halsbands ... c=1&page=0

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:36 am

Next pairing, another one of Rick's query:

Blue Cinnamon (Skyblue) male x Grey hen

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:32 am

Jay wrote:
Nice IRN Photoshop mutation

It is not a photoshop mutation. These are real birds. For more pictures see here:

http://www.azvogelzucht.de/board/showtopic.php3?threadid=60202

Chriskoi · Post by **Chriskoi** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:54 am

I have written a genetic calc too (unfortunally not a multi language version, so it is in german).

You can download it at:

http://rapidshare.com/files/99995638/GenCalculator.zip.html

Preview:

Not all mutations are included, but the most common one.

install notes: you need the .Net Framework 2.0.

So have fun.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:08 am

You can keep the VioletGreen pictures in your website Chriskoi. I'm just flattered my long-tailed IRNs made it international. Let me know if you need anymore pictures

The "black-headed" ringnecks looked dubious to me. Seems to me someone either did an excellent Photoshop rendition or painted the poor birds' head :lol:

Anyway, I'd believe they are new mutations if the breeder had taken progressive pictures from the day they started feathering and perhaps submit samples for feather analysis to Inte Onsman's MUTAVI group. http://www.mutavi.info/

Glad to have someone of your expertise join the forum. Welcome Aboard mate! I like your version of GenCalc... wish you could make an English version.

PS.

May I ask how much do the Cobalt Cleartails, Violet Cleartails, and Blue and Green Opalines cost in Europe? Do you produce and sell Opalines?

Thanks.

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:32 pm

My answer for this one is....

Blue Cinnamon (Skyblue) male x Grey hen

males
50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon
50.0% 1.0 blue /cinnamon

females
50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue cinnamon
50.0% 0.1 blue cinnamon (skyblue)

What you come up with lovemybirds?????

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:21 pm

Skyblue Cock x Grey Hen

Males
50.0% grey(sf) blue /cinnamon
50.0% blue /cinnamon

Hens
50.0% grey(sf) blue cinnamon
50.0% blue cinnamon

I think we have another correct answer!

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:45 pm

lovemybirds wrote:I think we have another correct answer!

I think so too. Well done.

Here's three more which if you get them correct, you've pretty proven you've got a handle on the calculator, kinda like your Final Exams?

1. Turquoise Ino cock x Lutino/Blue hen
2. TurquoiseBlue Grey PallidIno cock x Green hen
3. VioletGreen/Blue cock x Grey(DF) Green hen

TIPS:
Turquoise = Turquoise Double-Factor which means no Blue in it.

PallidIno = Combination of Pallid and Ino mutations. Select "Pallid" under the VISUAL column and "Ino" under the X1 SPLITS TO column.

VioletGreen = Combination of Violet Factor and wild-type Green

Green = default color, no selection is required on the calculator so for a VioletGreen, just select the Violet slot.

GreyGreen = Combination of Grey Factor and wild-type Green

Bella · Post by **Bella** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:09 pm

Oh this is tense :shock:

I couldnt get my head around all this stuff. Tis very confusing :lol:

lovemybirds · Post by **lovemybirds** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:01 pm

Righto here we go ......... *takes a deep breath*

Torquoise Ino Cock x Lutino/Blue Hen

Cocks
50.0% 1.0 ino /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino

Hens
50.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino

TorquiseBlue Grey PallidIno Cock x green hen

Cocks
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /turquoise(parblue) ino
12.5% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue ino
12.5% 1.0 green /blue ino
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /turquoise(parblue) pallid
12.5% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) pallid
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue pallid
12.5% 1.0 green /blue pallid

Hens
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 pallid /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue
12.5% 0.1 pallid /blue

VioletGreen/blue cock x Grey (DF) Green hen

Cocks
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green violet(sf)
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green violet(sf) /blue

Hens
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green violet(sf)
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green violet(sf) /blue

*and exhales*

Fingers crossed I am correct. I'm off camping for the weekend, so won't know my results until I get back! It will be just like waiting for a teacher to mark a test paper. :wink:

Good luck pinkdevil! Hope we both get gold stars :lol:

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:32 pm

oh ho....final exam times.....*bites nails*

ok here goes.....

assuming Turquoise is a DF as no blue was mentioned...

Turquoise Ino cock x Lutino/Blue hen

males
50.0% 1.0 ino /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino

females
50.0% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
50.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino

TurquoiseBlue Grey PallidIno cock x Green hen

males
2.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /turquoise(parblue) ino
12.5% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) ino
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue ino
12.5% 1.0 green /blue ino
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /turquoise(parblue) pallid
12.5% 1.0 green /turquoise(parblue) pallid
12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue pallid
12.5% 1.0 green /blue pallid

female
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 ino /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 ino /blue
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 pallid /turquoise(parblue)
12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /blue
12.5% 0.1 pallid /blue

VioletGreen/Blue cock x Grey(DF) Green hen

males
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green violet(sf)
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green violet(sf) /blue

females
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green violet(sf)
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue
25.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green violet(sf) /blue

I am not too confidident with these ones lol. Too many colour combos lol

pinkdevil · Post by **pinkdevil** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:38 pm

lol you beat me to it lovemybirds lol

Have fun camping

If we do get gold stars....may I request a White gold star please???? My fav colour is white

D:

Needless to say I hope I can breed an Albino IRN, don't care about other colours....I just want a WHITE ONE!!!!!!!!! lol lol lol

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:30 am

Pink and Love you are awesome. Aced it! Now you can do all the color predictions on the forum as I take a break from color-predicting duties. :lol:

Just some notes on some of the offsprings you had calculated:

12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue)
** This bird is a Lutino masking Grey split Turquoise . The Grey gene needs melanin to do its colorful work on the feathers but since the Lutino gene disables melanin production, the Grey gene cannot do its job. Geneticists refer to this phenomena as epistasis.

12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) pallid /turquoise(parblue)
** This is a GreyGreen Pallid split Turquoise. If the Grey Factor does not come with two recessive Blue genes, then it is not a visual Grey bird but rather a bird with a GreyGreen phenotype (feather visual color appearance).

50.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)Blue ino
** This is the genotype (genetic code) of the popular bird called Creamino. A Creamino can also come with DF Turquoise, ie. Turquoise Ino. These type of Creaminos will tend to have more Yellow in their feathers compared to a TurquoiseBlue Ino (predominantly White).