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first time babys

Post by rayhan » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:43 pm

if the female is having her first clutch for the first time, i heard you shouldnt pull out the babays because next time she lays she will chuck out the babys thinking there old enough to go is this true, and if so can i pull out one baby leaving the rest of them in their, but will she still chuck the rest out because i took one out

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Re: first time babys

Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:31 am

How soon are you trying to pull the babies out? If you've never hand fed before I would just let the parents raise the chicks. The babies grow healthier and bigger when parent raised. Do you have a foster? If not, I would just leave the babies in the nest.
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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:10 am

about 5 weeks after hatching, and if you dont mind me asking are you a breeder, because if you are you could help me :D

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Re: first time babys

Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:30 am

If your intention is to have a hand reared bird, you will have to pull the bird younger than 5 weeks. If the birds are being sold as hand reared pets, you would need to pull them between 3-4 weeks. If you plan to keep the birds, you can still let the parents raise them, but just handle them every day starting at around week 2. You will still have hand tame birds without having to feed the babies yourself. But please, like I've suggested in other threads, do your homework before you begin breeding.
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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:44 am

ok no birds are going to be sold, and my pair arnt tame so if i take the babies out and put them back in will she chuck out because i touched them. it will be easier if the birds are ready to eat solids so i can take them and not oput them back in

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Re: first time babys

Post by Johan S » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:04 am

rayhan wrote:and my pair arnt tame so if i take the babies out and put them back in will she chuck out because i touched them
No offense, but I think you should start paying closer attention to the advice given, as it from somebody that obviously has much more experience than you. There really is no point coming onto a forum, asking for advice and then discarding it because of personal believes that simply aren't true (in this particular case). You honestly think you would have been advised to handle the birds in the nest if there was a big risk of the hen abandoning them? Sorry if I'm sounding harsh, maybe I misread your post.

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Re: first time babys

Post by MissK » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:31 am

I also see this going in a bad direction. I feel you would be best advised to think ahead in a practical way.

If you breed your birds, they will want to breed each year. They will feel very strongly about it, even more strongly than if they had not been allowed to breed, which some may say is strongly enough already. You have said in a different thread that you don't want to inhibit their nature (my words) and you'll let them do what they are going to do (again my rewording).

If that is the case, you will be overrun with Ringnecks within just a few years, unless you are so unsuccessful that you accidentally kill the offspring - a real risk. It may sound fun at the moment, but imagine the noise, the conflict with neighbors, the mess and expense. Imagine, for a moment, that the offspring will also want to breed when they are of age. The hens will have to be housed each one alone during the hormonal time ( a long time!) to prevent fighting. Eventually you will be forced to part with some birds.

You could sell them, and hope to offset some of the financial drain of keeping many birds. If you have not done extensive work with each bird, they will not bring much. The original purchase price of a pet bird is often the least of the financial outlay. You could simply give them away. In either case, you would be morally obliged to see they got good homes. The sad story of your original pair could easily be replayed by the young, if you are not careful where you place them.

I would like to respectfully suggest that you return to the original breeder of the pair you have and work closely with that person instead of breeding your own. Under their guidance you could learn all the work of raising chicks and maintaining the parents, which is a lot of work, I assure you. You could possibly, if you were lucky, exchange your service to the breeder and your untame pair of birds for your education and ownership of one of the chicks you helped to raise. If the breeder is any kind of decent person, they will take back their unfortunate pair of birds that you have now, and work to ensure they have a suitable future. I urge you to at least consider my suggestion, and speak with that breeder about options you might have.
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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:33 am

You honestly think you would have been advised to handle the birds in the nest if there was a big risk of the hen abandoning them?

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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:16 am

You honestly think you would have been advised to handle the birds in the nest if there was a big risk of the hen abandoning them?


sorry i ddnt get that, and in total i only want 5 birds the rest will be sold, i got these bird from the niece of the breeder. they did not want to give me any contact detials to the breeder. i would have biught these birds but i could see the condition of the birds which made me buy them

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Re: first time babys

Post by MissK » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:11 pm

I'm sorry, I misunderstood this part?
ok no birds are going to be sold,
Perhaps you might speak to the niece and let her contact the breeder for you.
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Re: first time babys

Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:17 pm

rayhan wrote:
You honestly think you would have been advised to handle the birds in the nest if there was a big risk of the hen abandoning them?


sorry i ddnt get that, and in total i only want 5 birds the rest will be sold, i got these bird from the niece of the breeder. they did not want to give me any contact detials to the breeder. i would have biught these birds but i could see the condition of the birds which made me buy them

I apologize in advance, but this has to be said.

You supposedly rescued these birds from horrible living conditions. You were concerned for their well being. But instead of improving their health and feather condition,giving them a better life, you are talking about how many chicks can you get out of them. Of all the selfish things I've seen in my life this is right up there with the worst. You have no clue how to feed these birds, how to house them, how to care for them. You claim to want a hand tame pet which is the reason for your wanting to breed, yet you ask about double clutching the hen. If you are looking for a way to make a quick dollar off of these poor birds you chose the wrong place to come ask your questions. Myself along with others have tried to offer advice and threads for you to read, but you want someone to do all the work for you. If you truly cared about the birds you would do the work necessary to provide a good life for them.
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Re: first time babys

Post by InTheAir » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:31 pm

I couldn't agree more!
A little bit of research will answer all your current questions, if you don't believe what people have told you.
This forum is full of people who are very passionate about ringnecks and their well being.

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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:02 pm

what is double clutching, i was never intending on making money, seems like your the one into money since you brought up that subjest. i want to get a new born out of these for my self. i already said in another post NO BIRDS ARE GOING TO BE SOLD. and if theres to many for me to handle then iv got a cousins who previously used to breed. and we dont have no nieghbours so noise dont matter

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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:08 pm

you really want to know about this niece dont you. ill tell you the whole story. the niece came out of a train station with the birds in a black bag, she told me the birds were breed from here grandfarther or something, while we were cheking the birds out some man came up to us and told us he saw these birds down some area which i dont know. so who am i meant to believe, i came here for advice and all you guys think about is me thiking of money jeez. i dont need money im 15 years old, my dad gives me money when ever i want. dont think im bragging but he onws several buisnesses around london shaftesbury salisbury weymouth and more so why would i want to make money out of these birds. and you dont know if im researching or not do you, how are you meant to know if am or not

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Re: first time babys

Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:25 pm

rayhan wrote:what is double clutching, i was never intending on making money, seems like your the one into money since you brought up that subjest. i want to get a new born out of these for my self. i already said in another post NO BIRDS ARE GOING TO BE SOLD. and if theres to many for me to handle then iv got a cousins who previously used to breed. and we dont have no nieghbours so noise dont matter
You said just a couple of posts back " I only want 5 birds the rest will be sold"

The questions you are asking...the lack of listening to what people are saying...it is frustrating people.
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Re: first time babys

Post by InTheAir » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:59 pm

Ray; As has been pointed out, your birds are likely too young to breed successfully at this stage.
*Once a pair start breeding, you can't switch them off. That means more babies every year.
*Hand raising birds requires specialised knowledge and equipment. It is best to learn about this from an experienced breeder. IN PERSON. Also to learn what can go wrong and how to know when a bird needs medical attention, so you know when to get to an avian vet urgently.
*It would be a damn good idea to learn how to tame and care for your current birds now, rather than planning to breed them.
*The first step towards breeding birds is to know how to care for the parents well, before they are ready to breed.
*These birds can live 20 + years. Have you considered whether you will still want them when you are 30?
*As has been pointed out already, by very experienced bird keepers, birds are lots of work.

Do you know if they are brother and sister?
If you research in depth the questions you ask will reflect it.

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Re: first time babys

Post by Redzone » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:04 pm

Might also be a good idea to join your local avicultural society to get some first hand advice, we did, and we're not even planning on breeding.

Just wondering, did someone tell you that ringnecks need to be hand raised to be tame? As this is not the case... Parent raised birds are often easier going than hand raised ones...

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Re: first time babys

Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:38 pm

Hi Rayhan

Welcome to the forum. Good on your for trying to get the information that you need. Getting birds from train stations is a really weird way to get them. I can't imagine anything like that happening where I'm from :)

It's nice to have people from all over the world and of all ages on this forum so that we can all help each other.

Definitely, I think there have been some harsh words spoken in this thread, however they have been spoken because the people here are passionate about wanting the best for their birds.

If you want a tame bird, my recommendation for you would be to work with the birds you have and try to gain their trust. It will be a long road and will take a lot of patience. You can read lots on this in the Behaviour and Taming thread. If you don't want to do that and you are set on breeding them, then I think Redzone's idea of going to the local avicultural society is a good one so that they can help you set up properly. At 15, I think it's important you get your family's support here too (which you may already have). I bred peachfaces when I was about your age, and once I got out of school I didn't have a lot of time for them so my parents had to pick up the slack. As someone else suggested, you could also consider trying to find a breeder in your local area (perhaps through your local avicultural society) who might take your birds on as future breeders and help you get the tame bird you are after. Keep in mind that a tame bird will still present challenges... things don't always work out exactly as you hope.

Best wishes.

Ellie.

Typo edited - see Johan's post below

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Re: first time babys

Post by Johan S » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:11 pm

ellieelectrons wrote:Keep in mind that a tame bird will still prevent challenges...
Uhmm... I think that's a typo. A nasty one that did a full 180 on your meaning. Think you meant present? Sometimes the buttons on my keyboard also jump around without permission. And the auto-correct on my phone, don't even get me started on that... :lol:

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Re: first time babys

Post by ellieelectrons » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:23 pm

Lol, I'm glad you picked that up! Thanks.

Ellie.

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Re: first time babys

Post by rayhan » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:28 am

ok thanks, and for those who said im not listing, how am i not i bought some book 5 days ago, iv subscribed myslef to a bird mag

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Re: first time babys

Post by ellieelectrons » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:33 pm

Best wishes Rayhan. Good luck with your birds. Well done for seeking out the information you need. I think we've achieved all we're going to achieve with this thread, so I'm going to lock it. If you have any future questions, please start a new thread.

Ellie.

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