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diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:08 pm

********Some very helpful links that I found in the last week or so that I feel should be added here: *********

Growth reference:
http://www.netpets.com/birds/reference/ ... index.html

Handraising diary:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/puds1/chicks2.html

Handraising guideline:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/puds1/handfeeding.html

Parents: SL Edged Cinnamon? Green hen & Wildtype cock
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day of hatching (21st Aug 13)
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3 days old
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5 days old
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one week old(28th Aug 13)
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*eggs seen in the first two pics were foster eggs from another breeder- unfortunately the eggs weren't viable.


The locally made stainless steel rings (gotta support local ;)) I bought in anticipation before the two paired up together- guess you could say I was optimistic lol
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Will try and ring them tomorrow @ 9 days- little nervous as never having done it before as well as handling something so small.
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by Ring0Neck » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:19 pm

Nice going Shey !

Rings might not stay on, depending on their leg size rings might fall off once or twice, you can find them in the saw dust, if really loose leave them another day and so before you put them on.
some young have big feet some don't around 10 days old.

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:25 am

Thanks Ben- I'm trying tomorrow as I'm paranoid I'll miss the window (have heard to start at 10 days, the cock is a rather large bird- the hen is not small either) - but, at the same time I'm nervous as I've only watched youtube videos on how to do it :lol:

Will update tomorrow.

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Post by Ring0Neck » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:11 am


Shey, it's nothing to it.

So it looks like all 3 have black eyes

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:09 am

So excited for you Shey. Can't wait to see them feather up :D
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:11 am

Skyes_crew wrote:So excited for you Shey. Can't wait to see them feather up :D
You & me both :D

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:00 pm

Shey, if you're ever fearful of banding your birds, just look at this pic and try to imagine what it was like for the poor guy who had to band the hummingbird :D makes a ringneck band look huge lol

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Post by sheyd » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:43 pm

I think all the color just drained from my face lol- thank goodness I don't have to deal with that! Thanks for putting things into perspective for me :lol:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:39 pm

Not a problem :D
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Post by Johan S » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:10 pm

Also take into account you have lady hands. Imagine how hard that is for guys... :lol:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:25 pm

:lol:
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:53 am

Oh Johan! You're so funny! that made me laugh! :lol:


So, here are some pics- but I wasn't the photographer- so don't blame me that they're out of focus lol

9 days old-
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This chick has dark nails-
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This chick has light nails-
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Can't believe how fast they grow-
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blind pics- you can't actually see into the nest box from the outside (will have to fix that for next season) so you have to 'guess' where they are-
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felt like handling warm water bomb balloons.. and I wasn't anticipating them being all wriggly :lol:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:06 am

Looks like momma's doing a great job keeping those crops full. Did the bands stay on?
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Post by sheyd » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:11 am

They're both great parents- cock is constantly feeding the hen when she's out- or is in the box with her.

I'll find out tomorrow if the bands have stayed on (have basically only just put them on in the last 2 hours)- as I put them on, I replaced each chick back into the nest as it was fairly cold outside. I have a feeling that the smallest chick's will come off but hopefully the other two will keep their rings on- it wasn't as bad as I thought lol all that stress for nothing :)

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:53 am

None of the rings stayed on, redid them- and all came off by the next day- so, I've re-banded the biggest one only, and when his finally stays on- I'll do the other two.

I've accidentally deleted the pics of the group shot for today- so only have one pic to share;

The biggest chick- 11 days old
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Post by sheyd » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:02 am

I feel the forces working against me, as I could find zero rings hidden in the box underneath the shavings- no rings on the aviary floor or around it. I don't know where they are?? I ordered more two days ago- which would have gotten here today most probably- If the mail man had of came! :( no doubt they will be here tomorrow- just hope it's not too late.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:58 am

Oh no!! I'm sure it will be ok. :D
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Post by JonoH » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:41 am

I have the same problem, babies about the same age and waiting for the rings to arrive hoping they'll still go on!

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Post by Johan S » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:13 am

I ring them and then gently try to pull it off back over the foot. If it comes off easily, try again tomorrow.

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Post by sheyd » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:31 pm

Melissa- i couldnt believe the postman didnt come yesterday- he didnt come at all down our street- typical Murphy's law! I do hope they come today..

Jono- I was surprised that the largest chicks ring came off.. I don't know what they are doing in there, but I fully expected it to stay on 3 days ago! Hope both you & I both get more rings in time..

Thanks for the tip Johan- I will start doing that with mine :)

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Post by sheyd » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:49 pm

Rings came yesterday- was lucky to get one one the largest chick- one day more and I'm sure it would have been a no go. (Ben, hopefully that's my alpha male ;)) it was still on today when I went to check :D

Will see how we go with the next largest tomorrow.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:59 pm

Oh my goodness look how they've grown! Glad the postman made it to you on time. That Murphy's law can be a tricky devil :wink: now we just need some feathers darn it lol
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Post by Ring0Neck » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:05 pm

Nice going Shey,

Think about it... in less then 10 days ur bubs will look like this, how fast are they growing !?
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/c/P9054440s.jpg
look at my alpha male, he still is a mile ahead of his bro/sis

ps took this pic through an Ova-Scope egg candler of an egg shell after hatching,
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Post by sheyd » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:22 pm

Nice Ben! Looks like the smallest is catching up to the biggest :) what were the parent CHF's mutations again?
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I'm looking forward to them colouring up- the largest has quite a lot of pins broken through already- don't know what colour he will be- probably Green - hopefully Edged (male)- if it turns out he is a cock I will be retaining him.

I am going to say I will get one edged, and two normal- with two being green series and one being blue (series). lol just for some fun.

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Post by sheyd » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:57 pm

two have rings on now (and are staying on) :) have rung the last, hopefully his stays on now too.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:27 pm

I don't know if this is fair since you have the birds right in front of you lol....but I'm going to say two blue series, one green series. Two edged, one normal :D I like to be optimistic
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Post by sheyd » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:36 am

Well of course it's fair lol.. They haven't unfurled yet- so anything's possible :lol:
I actually like the Green series (everyone has something in blue or is doing something in blue) so won't mind at all if none end up being Blue lol (good chances, of none in this lot 1:4)

I'm already thinking of Dark Green Violet Cinnamon Edged for next year.. Being on next year!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:08 am

You're only on next year?! Lol. I've got the next 8 breeding seasons planned out :lol:

Ok..to keep with the results that you're looking for....I change my guess to all green series. But I remain at two edged and one normal :)
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Post by JonoH » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:53 am

sheyd wrote:Melissa- i couldnt believe the postman didnt come yesterday- he didnt come at all down our street- typical Murphy's law! I do hope they come today..

Jono- I was surprised that the largest chicks ring came off.. I don't know what they are doing in there, but I fully expected it to stay on 3 days ago! Hope both you & I both get more rings in time..

Thanks for the tip Johan- I will start doing that with mine :)

Got mine yesterday thankfully and put them on straight away, i reckon if i waited for another couple of days they wouldn't have fit on!

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Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:42 pm

much to my disappointment, the last chick's ring has come off some time between yesterday and today- it stayed on overnight when I rung it two days ago and now is gone...with the other 'lost' rings. grrr once again digging through the box and looking on the aviary floor to no avail. :(

On the brighter side, they are now 3 weeks old and doing well and the biggest has colour popping through:)
I weighed them today- with the biggest at 98 grams, the smallest at 66 and the middle at 68 grams. It is hard to believe that they all hatched on the same day.

21 days (3 weeks old)
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colour! (Green series)
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Melissa- one season at a time lol :lol:
Jono- great that you got them in time!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:54 pm

One green down...two to go!!
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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:59 am

Skyes_crew wrote:One green down...two to go!!
:lol:

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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:01 am

So, I couldn't help it- after uploading today's pics I went out for another look through their box...and to my surprise I found one of the rings :) :) :) on it went- such a relief!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:30 am

Yay!! :D
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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:43 pm

and the biggest looks like he might be a cock! went to check on them this morning and the tail feathers that had popped out were of a light green to yellowish colour- (think) on a normal wildtype, these would been an even medium green to yellowish colours. fx'd..

darker green on the wings, lighter greeny yellow on the tail- and a light blue tail feather in there as well
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THE. SUSPENSE. IS. KILLING. ME. :D
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Skyes_crew wrote:THE. SUSPENSE. IS. KILLING. ME. :D
you & me both! :mrgreen: :lol:

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23 days
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the smallest is now the same size as the middle chick. They're both roughly developing at the same rate
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colour- of the largest, not sure on this one being a cock anymore- need for the other two to colour up..
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Post by sheyd » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:17 pm

The chick that had the light nails, still has light nails- though they have darkened a bit, but are still lighter than the other two- I wonder if this means that this chick is the only edged in the clutch..and the other two are normals?

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Post by Ring0Neck » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:22 pm

Shey,

Enjoying the breeding fever? :D

I won't say anything, but i stand by what i said when you got the birds, time will tell
Patience :roll: if there is such a thing when breeding ringx.
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Ring0Neck wrote:Shey,

Enjoying the breeding fever? :D

I won't say anything, but i stand by what i said when you got the birds, time will tell
Patience :roll: if there is such a thing when breeding ringx.
nope, I don't believe there is such a thing! haha, and yes- well and truly :D (I'm off to Bunnings soon- need to get some untreated wood.. :lol:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:39 pm

Hmmm....that largest one...a wild type maybe??? :D

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Post by rayhan » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:14 am

hi, iv had ring necks for about 7 months and now they are about 10 months, when will they start breeding, and no im not the type of person who wants to make money out of them, anyway i dont know anything about these birds and how they breed so what should i know about them.

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Post by sheyd » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:46 pm

rayhan wrote:hi, iv had ring necks for about 7 months and now they are about 10 months, when will they start breeding, and no im not the type of person who wants to make money out of them, anyway i dont know anything about these birds and how they breed so what should i know about them.

thanks and im from the uk
if you don't know anything about them, If I were you I'd start by learning and reading everything I could before trying to breed them- why not start your own thread..?

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Post by sheyd » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:50 pm

all rings are now staying on :) looks like I have myself a second green series- one left to show colour.

25 days
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pupils are now visible
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feathers in the sunlight (more than likely a hen)
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Post by Skyes_crew » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:23 pm

Shey what are your percentages?
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Post by Kappa » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:46 pm

Hi Shey,
Congrats on the new brood. They are looking good. I'm afraid the anticipation of waiting to find out what the babies are doesn't get any better with future breeding seasons. After many years of breeding its still like my first season, every year. It's an addiction and you just need your daily fix to see if they have spontaneously grown feathers overnight.

I currently have 16 babies on the go so you can imagine what I'm going through. The suspense is killing me, and patience is in short supply.

In regards to the alpha male theory, I think it's more of the case that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. So the loudest chick gets fed more. I have had just as many large chicks turnout to be hens as they do males.
Keep up the good work.

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Post by Ring0Neck » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:02 pm

Kappa,

Alpha male is just a brain exercise, can't even categorise as a theory.
I believe Shey mentions hen or male becuase she thinks in terms of:
males to be edged
hens to be normal

is that so Shey?


PS: Shey, yes it does seem to be a hen, i can see black feathers popping, right?
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Post by Johan S » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:19 pm

Kappa wrote: It's an addiction and you just need your daily fix to see if they have spontaneously grown feathers overnight.

I currently have 16 babies on the go so you can imagine what I'm going through. The suspense is killing me, and patience is in short supply.
Very well put! :lol:

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Johan S wrote:
Kappa wrote: It's an addiction and you just need your daily fix to see if they have spontaneously grown feathers overnight.

I currently have 16 babies on the go so you can imagine what I'm going through. The suspense is killing me, and patience is in short supply.
Very well put! :lol:
I used all mine up in July :lol:


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I think they are predicting hectic weather, floods etc...
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Post by sheyd » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:09 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:Shey what are your percentages?
as in cock to hen ratio? my predictions were, 1 boy to two girls (1 edged, 2 normals) and I said 2 green, one blue (series).
Kappa wrote:Hi Shey,
Congrats on the new brood. They are looking good. I'm afraid the anticipation of waiting to find out what the babies are doesn't get any better with future breeding seasons. After many years of breeding its still like my first season, every year. It's an addiction and you just need your daily fix to see if they have spontaneously grown feathers overnight.

I currently have 16 babies on the go so you can imagine what I'm going through. The suspense is killing me, and patience is in short supply.

In regards to the alpha male theory, I think it's more of the case that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. So the loudest chick gets fed more. I have had just as many large chicks turnout to be hens as they do males.
Keep up the good work.
Thankyou :) yes, very addictive- so much so that I've decided to give my two one year old's a shot.. can't hurt to try- may even assist with a successful breeding next year if unsuccessful this.
(well at least prep the hen :wink: cock is showing great interest- her not so much)

The alpha male theory (of Ben's) is just that- a theory.
Would be interesting to see results say over a 5 yr period- you never know, the percentages may lean more favorably toward one more than the other.
Ring0Neck wrote:Kappa,
I believe Shey mentions hen or male becuase she thinks in terms of:
males to be edged
hens to be normal

is that so Shey?


PS: Shey, yes it does seem to be a hen, i can see black feathers popping, right?
spot on- only chicks that are SL Edged, will be male- the others (normals) female.
--not sure about 'black' feathers popping- I think what you're seeing is actually the blood in the calamus. I do think hen for that one though as I see no dilution.

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Post by sheyd » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:10 pm

so, there you go Ben, looks like I have 3 girls.. remember this?
- knowing my luck, I would have gotten both normals.
:lol: :evil:

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all comparable (normal) green
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wing of the largest
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will weigh them tomorrow (@ 4wks) then decide if I should send them for handraising.

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Ring0Neck wrote:Shey,

Enjoying the breeding fever? :D

I won't say anything, but i stand by what i said when you got the birds, time will tell
Patience :roll: if there is such a thing when breeding ringx.
The time you got your hen, i was saying she is only cinnamon green and also said i hope i'm wrong.
I don't have edged cinnamon in green to be certain but 3 normal chicks would certainly tip the balance towards non edged.


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Ring0Neck wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote:Shey,

Enjoying the breeding fever? :D

I won't say anything, but i stand by what i said when you got the birds, time will tell
Patience :roll: if there is such a thing when breeding ringx.
The time you got your hen, i was saying she is only cinnamon green and also said i hope i'm wrong.
I don't have edged cinnamon in green to be certain but 3 normal chicks would certainly tip the balance towards non edged.


I think you're thinking of the wrong bird.. This is her- she is definitely edged :)
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Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:14 pm

Yea, some other bird it was :D
she is edged cinn.

edged without cinnamon is not that diluted and the other 2 could still be edged!?
i would only concentrate on their flight feather's color.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:03 pm

Oh shey...are you absolutely positive??? Maybe it's as Ben said and your hen wasn't cinnamon after all. Either way, in the end, you have three awesome looking birds. I'd keep one to combine with a d violet down the road :D
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Post by Ring0Neck » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:24 pm

Shey,

There is 1 more possibility
drums pls....

here in Oz we could have Recessive Edged or Both !
we know nothing about the Edged we have in OZ, lucky it was still floating around.

I'm willing to place a bet:
DNA sex the largest chick (feather dna sexing, easy)
If turns out to be a hen I will pay for the DNA fees.
If a male then you stuck with the bill. :)

Are you on :?:

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Post by Johan S » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:15 am

Ben, I also have some birds that needs sexing! Esp. from my opalines. Any bets with me? :lol:

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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:34 am

Johan: Let me think ...
:lol:

Shey, seriously now. If you don't want to take the dramatic bet, before you send them away pluck 2 feathers from wing or tail and post them to me :D


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Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:59 am

Perhaps I'll give them some more time- I do think all are females though. As someone once said: think it was Johan- "you win some, you lose some". I think I lost some :lol:

I will dna the biggest, just to satisfy yours and my curiosity- I'd hate to giveaway a hidden gem (if so be the case) and I will pay- no need to offer.

Melissa- I don't like to say Cinnamon as a definate for her (even though I'm pretty sure she is), until she's proven- that's why I say 'SL Edged Green Cinnamon?". Cinnamon being SL means that none of her sons will display it- they will all be splits. So unless the WT cock was carrying Cinnamon, none of the chicks would show it.

If all are female I won't be keeping any- I wanted to replace my young Green Cinnamon? SL Edged cock that my lovely toddler set free back in July :wink: :evil:

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Post by Johan S » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:20 am

sheyd wrote:As someone once said: think it was Johan- "you win some, you lose some". I think I lost some :lol:
That sounds like me, yes... :lol: Esp. last year when I had my fair share of losing some too. Coincidently, I also bred 3 hens. From an opaline hen...

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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:50 am

Sorry shey...misunderstood something Ben said about edged not being too diluted without the cinnamon. I think I got my self confused lol. :D
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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:14 am

Shey,

That's great.
I also have an edged male X normal on 3 eggs. curious if i get any edged offspring


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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:40 pm

28 days (4 weeks)
weighed them all, with the biggest putting on just over 20gms, while the other two- 10gms each since last weigh day one week ago.
Being a tad concerned about the lack of gain and vigor in the smallest two, I monitored the size of their crops over the course of the day- to which it looked as though they were missing out on most of the food as the largest was getting the most.
I let them be thinking that the hen may be feeding the other two at different times as she was to the largest she was regularly in and out of the box- but still after checking on them they never seemed to have much stored away at all.
This morning, first thing after giving all the adults their morning fruit and veg, I checked on the chicks- no food in the crops of any- which is normal after a night of not eating, and would check a bit later as I was too early- but rang up a breeder for some guidance/advise on hand-feeding just in case if I so needed it..
Turns out I did-
2 hrs later, when I checked there was nothing in the crops of the smallest two- but plenty in the largest. I knew then and there that the two smallest had to be pulled :(

From the advice of the breeder, I got them eating h/r mix with gusto from a bent h/f spoon- they seemed so much happier and active after having a good feed- I'm so glad that I saw something going wrong when it did- I know this is early days- but thankgod I have good support!

29 days (this will be the last photo of them altogether, at least in the box)
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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:39 am

Wow...good catch shey! Glad the chicks are in capable hands now :D

Are we taking bets on the largest chick?
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Post by JonoH » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:18 am

Wow, my h/r chicks normally put on almost 10 grams a day! As of last night they are around 120grams at 27 days old.

I keep a dairy of my feeds and generally weigh each night to keep track on which birds are growing and how often, its good now with a couple of years of records i can go back and see when i introduced what and at what times.

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Post by Johan S » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:34 am

JonoH wrote:Wow, my h/r chicks normally put on almost 10 grams a day! As of last night they are around 120grams at 27 days old.

I keep a dairy of my feeds and generally weigh each night to keep track on which birds are growing and how often, its good now with a couple of years of records i can go back and see when i introduced what and at what times.
Jono, a detailed write up of your data and findings would be priceless! :D

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Post by JonoH » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:37 pm

Johan S wrote:
JonoH wrote:Wow, my h/r chicks normally put on almost 10 grams a day! As of last night they are around 120grams at 27 days old.

I keep a dairy of my feeds and generally weigh each night to keep track on which birds are growing and how often, its good now with a couple of years of records i can go back and see when i introduced what and at what times.
Jono, a detailed write up of your data and findings would be priceless! :D
After this weekend i will look at it, its all handwritten stuff so will take a while to get it all down. I find it great for a reference as to what weights they should be at relative to age etc. The babies were really fat this year as i think my Hen was eating too many sunflower seeds! (the greedy pig! :D )

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Post by McmillanBirds » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:09 am

Shey, I believe you have an edged boy there :)

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Post by sheyd » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:47 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:Wow...good catch shey! Glad the chicks are in capable hands now :D
Thanks Melissa- it has been a stressful last few days--and it's not over for a long time yet- and the moment, I'm taking it one day at a time.
It is disappointing that the parents ended up not feeding them enough but I guess that's life sometimes- makes me wonder if her previous babies (if any) had been pulled at around 4 weeks? I'll never know. Luckily she's feeding the remaining chick, though I'm keeping a very close eye on it.
Are we taking bets on the largest chick?
Yesterday I would have said hen for sure- but now I'm not so sure..lol (lol especially after reading Carmen's post.. :lol:
JonoH wrote:Wow, my h/r chicks normally put on almost 10 grams a day! As of last night they are around 120grams at 27 days old.
The largest chick was around 120gms at 28 days old- I will weigh him again on Wednesday when he'll be 5 weeks old.
Since pulling the two, they're gaining weight rapidly- I'm weighing them after the first feed in the morning, as well as the last feed at night. I will update their details once we're onto week 5.
I keep a dairy of my feeds and generally weigh each night to keep track on which birds are growing and how often, its good now with a couple of years of records i can go back and see when i introduced what and at what times.
that sure would be awsome to see- there is hardly any info (that I could find) regarding normal weight gain in IRN's.
McmillanBirds wrote:Shey, I believe you have an edged boy there :)
Maybe.. :?: :!:
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Post by McmillanBirds » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:57 pm

Shey, definitely edged :) I am on holiday now so a bit difficult for me to upload pics of my edged babies. What's your e-mail and I will send them to you? Working off of my cell phone so a little tedious to upload pics now.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:01 pm

That is why I was asking if we were taking bets lol. Leaning toward edged also :D
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Post by sheyd » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:02 pm

Yesterday marked the first full day of handfeeding the smallest two chicks- my nerves were such a wreck! Luckily they seem to be accepting of the new way of feeding- though they're not too keen on me :wink:

31 days (the two handfed chicks)
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the remaining sibling in the nest- feathers are coming in fast and strong now
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Post by sheyd » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:30 pm

haha- look at that- we all posted at the same time/s

Carmen- that would be fantastic!
My email address is cannonboy (at) bigpond.com

can I ask what made you think edged in the first pic you commented on? - I see it today, but 2 days ago I would have still said hen. The/his colour overall is changing- which I didn't think was possible as it looked so 'normal' (Wildtype) up until now.
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Skyes_crew wrote:That is why I was asking if we were taking bets lol. Leaning toward edged also :D
Hey, you and me both Melissa! :) :)

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Post by Skyes_crew » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:29 pm

Hey this might provide some data for bens alpha theory :D
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Post by sheyd » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:50 pm

what can I say- we're onto the 4th day, but it feels like an eternity! I guess it'll become more rewarding when they stop looking at me like I'm a threat and more like 'oh look, here comes our food!' They certainly get you to (re-learn) how to manage your time effectively.

Almost through the 250gm packet- will change brands as soon as they finish that as they don't really seem to be as interested in it as much as they first were- well that and the fact the instructions are pretty vague :?

Looks like there's another boy..not sure on the other chick with the dark nails yet.

33 days (handfed babies-note the light and dark nails)
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Post by sheyd » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:55 pm

Carmen- thankyou for taking the time to send me pics of your Blue edged babies- very helpful!

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:06 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:You're only on next year?! Lol. I've got the next 8 breeding seasons planned out :lol:

Ok..to keep with the results that you're looking for....I change my guess to all green series. But I remain at two edged and one normal :)
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Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:18 pm

Skyes_crew wrote:
Skyes_crew wrote:You're only on next year?! Lol. I've got the next 8 breeding seasons planned out :lol:

Ok..to keep with the results that you're looking for....I change my guess to all green series. But I remain at two edged and one normal :)
I believe my results are spot on thank you very much :D
haha smarty pants!!! it certainly looks that way!!! :mrgreen:

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Post by sheyd » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:24 pm

the smallest two are still behind, but I feel have made good progress with their weight- both were 112gms after weighing them after their first morning feed today.

If my scales are to be believed then here are the results since the 19th: (weighed after first and last feed of the day-apart from the first recording on the 19th which is the day I pulled them)

for the non edged handfed female:
67 (19th sept)
84(20th
92(20th
92(21st
102(21st
99(22nd
109(22nd
100(23rd
109(23rd
114(24th
111(24th
112(25th

for the edged handfed male:
62 (19th sept)
82 (20th
89(20th
85(21st
95(21st
91(22nd
104(22nd
92(23rd
104(23rd
100(24th
105(24th
112(25th

the parent raised chick is now at 145gm :D he is doing really well!

35 days (5 weeks old)

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(parent raised)
interesting colours coming through on his head
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(handfed sibling)
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(Handfed siblings)
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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:06 pm

Pretty good result Shey.
2 males n a norm hen :D
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Ring0Neck wrote:Pretty good result Shey.
2 males n a norm hen :D
yes! had us fooled for awhile!

Thanks Ben :)

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Post by sheyd » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:15 pm

amazing!!! I just saw the parent raised chick poking it's head out of the box! It has learnt to climb the ladder already! :shock: unfortunately when I went to get my camera, it had gone back down.

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Post by sheyd » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:57 am

changed their formula yesterday- had a breeder come to show me how to use a syringe (I'm terrible at it! :lol: ) they seem to like the new mix which is good. Saw the female flapping her wings in practice for the first time last night- won't be long and they'll be off!
They're grooming each other as well as themselves now, and eating bits of solid food in between their regular meals.
They no longer make the 'zombie' sounds they once made- they've changed it to the ringneck 'mewing' and definitely aren't so scared anymore.

The boy in the box is doing great- he looks mostly fully feathered now- and of course I think he's the most beautiful thing ever 8)

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"The boy in the box"....sounds like a tragic lifetime movie :lol:
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Skyes_crew wrote:"The boy in the box"....sounds like a tragic lifetime movie :lol:
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Post by sheyd » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:45 am

little edged boy is now able to perch on a branch raised about a cm above the day cage floor- the girl is yet to co-ordinate herself to do it. She is the better feeder- eats a lot- the boy not so much- his crop I was told is about half the size (it should be)- but will get bigger as he takes in more food.

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Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:17 pm

42 days (6 weeks)

handfed normal chick is now @ 148gms (a gain of 30gms in a week)
handfed edged chick is now @ 130gms (a gain of 18gms in a week)
parent raised chick is now @ 128gms (a loss of 18gms in a week)- he'll be fledging soon I think.


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light and dark barring along the tail (edged cock)
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no evidence of barring on tail yet (parent raised edged cock)
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They are looking good Shey,

I use paper cups to handfeed, i find it cleaner and less work involved as opposed to spoon.

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Ring0Neck wrote:They are looking good Shey,

I use paper cups to handfeed, i find it cleaner and less work involved as opposed to spoon.

haha- I took down that pic- wasn't the best lol- here are some better 'cleaner' ones :lol:

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Hi there - I'm new here and new to the ringneck baby scene - this year my hen is fostering an egg from a breeder and I have a question that I hope you 2 can answer as I love reading through your threads x tomorrow- Friday 3/10 the egg is 28 days , we picked it up and Bella has been sitting on it for 26 days shows fertile and is now quite dark - as we've never had an egg before I'm starting to worry as to why it hasn't hatched yet :( the first 2 eggs in the laying hens clutch hatched over a week ago so I'm wondering how long to leave it in their before I declare it gone :cry: thank you for any help x

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Bellasmumma wrote:Hi there - I'm new here and new to the ringneck baby scene - this year my hen is fostering an egg from a breeder and I have a question that I hope you 2 can answer as I love reading through your threads x tomorrow- Friday 3/10 the egg is 28 days , we picked it up and Bella has been sitting on it for 26 days shows fertile and is now quite dark - as we've never had an egg before I'm starting to worry as to why it hasn't hatched yet :( the first 2 eggs in the laying hens clutch hatched over a week ago so I'm wondering how long to leave it in their before I declare it gone :cry: thank you for any help x
23 days is the average incubation period from the last egg laid-and from the hen begins to sit.
When did you candle the egg?, did you notice any movement or pipping coming up to the 23 day?- the other eggs that hatched, were they in the same clutch?

There are many reasons why the eggs don't hatch unfortunately. :cry:

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Post by sheyd » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:36 am

Little edged boy has graduated to a slightly higher perch and is now hopping around while flapping his wings- the girl will perch, but is more comfortable on the shavings. She is still the better eater of formula- whereas the boy prefers his solid food. Both are looking less 'scrawny' and are starting to fill out nicely.

Their personalities are very different from each other- the boy is a sooky lala- the girl not so much.

When weaned, the little edged boy will be going to my nephew, which I'm stoked about as it mean I will get to see him grow up :)

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7 weeks (49 days old)

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Post by sheyd » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:39 pm

Giving the birds their morning fruit and veg I hear a commotion over at the remaining chick's aviary- look who's out of the nesting box, and flying around!

parent raised chick (52 days old)
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Post by JonoH » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:25 pm

Yep, keep the windows inside covered when you have your 2 others out now as you don't want any broken wings or necks from their first flight, my 2 took off for the first time today and both crashed straight into a glass door (almost had a heart attach - thankfully both were fine!)

Mines are pretty much rejecting all hand feeds and eating pellets and fruit and veg themselves - still ask for a feed sometimes but hardly take anything.

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Post by sheyd » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:58 am

Hi Jono- yes I am mindful! I knew they'd be flying soon- just today the hen chick flew from her cage to my chest- scared the bejesus out of me! :lol: other than that there's been no other action.

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Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:45 pm

both handraised babies have fledged now- the hen took her first proper flight yesterday, the cock today. The hen will fly to you- very cool. Both are eating well and formula is down to 2 feedings, with the cock only really interested in the last and then not all of it. The hen will eat all of hers and then some.. :lol:

The baby in the aviary is becoming less afraid- though that maybe because his parents don't care to much about my presence.

56 days old (8 weeks)

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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:50 pm

Job well done Shey.

Can you see edged pattern on their wings as yet?
My edged are due to hatch soon. Can't wait.


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Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:13 pm

no, not yet- not unless they're stretching (or if I spread their wings).
I think the little edged boy is minimally marked- but his forms a pattern, whereas the parent raised boy's edging is fairly typical.

You can kind of make it out in this one
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here's the parent raised with his parents..I'm annoyed I didn't get them all properly within the shot :evil: - but I have plenty of other opportunities
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ooh- what edged chicks are you expecting? any df? :mrgreen:
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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Shey,

Thanks for doing the dairy, nicely done.
First year breeding edged for me too so i am curious to see how this mutation develops to adulthood.

I am working on a mutation reference website where each mutation will have pics of the birds from hatch to adulthood.
It is hard to compare a 3 month old to a mature bird, easier to compare apples with apples.
What do you think? worth doing?

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:47 am

Ring0Neck wrote: What do you think? worth doing?
Most definitely!


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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:53 pm

Almost seems like he should be feeding himself at this point lol. It's so cute though :D

There's a bird here in Hawaii called the red crested cardinal. After the babies are born the mom takes off and the dad is the one that feeds the babies. And not just until they fledge...oh no....he feeds them for one year!!! Talk about a difficult child :lol:
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:03 pm

The chick does feed himself, it was the adult cock who initiated that feed- I don't think it's out of the ordinary- remembering he's only 8 weeks old :)

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:19 pm

Well maybe the chick needs to say, hey dad...wanna get your beak out of my throat :wink: don't mind me, I'm in a weird mood.
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Post by InTheAir » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:43 am

Sheyd, what a great picture of father and son! Your wee baby birds so pretty now btw. Congrats.

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Post by sheyd » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:52 am

In the air- thankyou :)

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Post by sheyd » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:46 am

first bath- my otherhalf was the 'choosen one' 8) the hen is quite affectionate and will fly to you- she loves nothing more than to sit on your shoulder and walk around the house- more so than the cock who will fly off at whim (more often than not) but who is eating completely independently on his own, though both are beautiful little birds in their own right.

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:58 am

Awwww

Are you keeping her as a pet? :D
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Post by sheyd » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:35 pm

no, I have promised her to my mother- if that falls through I will hang onto her a little longer and then decide- after all you can't keep them all- I have bred the one I wanted to keep (and am keeping). ;)

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Post by Skyes_crew » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:45 pm

At least you'll be able to see her by keeping her in the family. :D
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:59 pm

9 weeks (63 days)

parent raised cock
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Post by sheyd » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:03 am

63 days (9 weeks)

handraised
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both
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Down to one feeding a day now for the hen- cock maybe going to his new home on the weekend :(

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Post by sheyd » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:55 pm

bath and flight pics for the cock

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Post by Skyes_crew » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:13 pm

On that second pic, see if you can edit out the background into a solid color. Something light like pale yellow or blue. I think that would make that fabulous bird stand out even more :D
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Post by Johan S » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:47 am

Nice pics! :D

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:51 am

thanks guys :D this was my first attempt at flight photography.

Mel- I prefer not to edit at all as I like to view unaltered pics myself- with that said- if the conditions are right, the flash of my camera 'darkens' the room so all focus is on the object being photographed- I will try again tomorrow :)

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:50 pm

70 days (10 weeks)

this is the last update for these chicks

hen is eating independently now and has been for the last 4 days,

h/r edged boy was meant to go home on the weekend past, but is still with me until this weekend as my brother wants to be home all day to make sure the chick settles in okay.


drowned rats...
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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:09 pm

Looks like the h/r chicks are having way too much fun :D
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Post by sheyd » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:12 pm

haha- yeah- you should of seen how ridiculous they looked after :lol:

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Post by Skyes_crew » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:22 pm

Two little drowned rats :lol:
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Post by Ring0Neck » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:46 pm

Mission Accomplished ! Well Done !
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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by Johan S » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:52 am

Congrats Shey! Next step is a modest 20 more breeding pairs. :D

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Re: diary of my first clutch

Post by sheyd » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:40 am

Thanks Ben- looking forward to yours- will you be posting on here or on your own? (let me know if on your own so I can look out for it)

Cheers Johan :) haha! 20 more pairs? my otherhalf would kill me... will just have to build them up slowly so he doesn't notice.. :lol: I'd never be seen again- where's Shey? she's off somewhere out there with the birds... lol

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