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Johan

I might be getting an emerald cinnamon edged hen, if not, at least i'll get some pics you might enjoy.

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shoshan's pics These photos are the same bird taken with different cameras. I took them when she was going through a molt, I thought she would change but she didn't. The middle photo is her colour. http://parakeet.me/irn/f/c/bell.jpg EDIT: added another pic (last pic is the mother hen) http://parake...

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Most likely not.

Look at this website, see if you can see a bird that looks similar to yours.

http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutation ... Pallid.htm

otherwise you can email the pics to me to upload here

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There are a couple of breeders that could have them but i highly doubt anyone has any for sale. I certainly haven't seen any advertised yet. even if they were available, they would cost as much as a new car ;) In Aus. there's only Dom. Pieds available This isn't correct at all. ;) I know two kinds o...

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Hi Mike,

I would like to see a recent pic as well.
The only pic i've seen is this

from
http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm

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Neckring color of a 3 y o grey emerald

http://parakeet.me/irn/f/c/P3090489.JPG

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ringneck wrote:What a fascinating thread. Thank you all! I learned at lot. I gotta grasp genetics. It's amazing all the work done to develop new mutations. Left speechless! :0)

We are all continuosly learning(I know I am ), as soon as we stop we'll be left behind.
it is fascinating indeed, keeps the game on

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John, not a bad idea. it all depends what she breeds this season pied pairing is very likely to follow for 2016 unless the curiousity gets the better of me in 2015 season. :lol: ATM i just want to know all the mutations she is carrying, it could well be Cobalt violet turquoise pallid as we have seen...

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Hi John, The bird in the pic you posted looks Cinnamon amonst other things although some pallids have some brown in their flights. Cinnamon has brown flights. My bird in this thread flights are not brown but violet redish, it might look brownish in some pics but it is not. she's paired up with a lut...

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Great stuff Kappa. It is best to know what bloodlines breed what type of Deep greens, so your info is valuable. I have most of my birds paired up. I have a Deep Blue hen paired to a Violet Green /poss Opaline and she comes from Martin's Deep Blue birds. The other Deeps are all paired to Blue/Parblue...

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Kappa,

Can you give us info on your Deep Green's history?
parents? and did you get the deep parent/s from Martin directly?
I know you have told us this info in the past but i don't remember which thread etc.

Thanks
Ben

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Willy said in email: "... have yet to breed a Deep Green but hope to this year. I will confirm that there are varying shades of Deep Blue in my flock. Some could even be darker than Cobalts. I will be imaging as many comparisons as I can over the coming month. Interestingly Martin says the orig...

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my suspicion that we have 2 types of Deeps. <= Suspicion not fact! And one of those will most probably be the NT violet. On top of that I have seen birds in df deep that are what you would expect, a darker blue, and some df deep, that without any reference birds could be easily mistaken for a viole...

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Hi Kappa, I must admit, I too was surprised by Ron's Deep Green phenotype being rather dark. However a couple of weeks ago i have spoken to John Friske, he has had the Deeps many years ago and amongst other things he said (paraphrasing here): "and they bred these really dark greens darker than ...

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Hi, In genetical terms Olive means nothing. it is simply a nickname for DF Dark Green also erroneously used by some for greygreen. in gencalc to input greygreen you just need to tick grey (that's all) don't forget 90%+ of green IRNs are split for blue which changes the breeding outcomes adding blue ...

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I'm looking at the violet turq. pied hen and i can barely see any violet in her whereas the violet turq. pied male has heaps of visual violet.
they are all unrelated.
Violet should increase after the 1 y moult esp. in tails.

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I see it with naked eye but again not 100% certain as i can not get close enough to him.
I will need to move him to another cage after the rains so i will have a good look at it.

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Could Violet show in a Grey masking violet pied?

Here's a pic (on the shoulder n tail).

http://parakeet.me/irn/P3090644.JPG

http://parakeet.me/irn/P3090642.JPG

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Molossus,

Most exciting mutation in the pipeline no doubt.
I want one too

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-Dominate pied -grey green , he now beleives this wasnt a dominate pied . Yep, just as i speculate about some of our OZ birds SBs inclusive, and i mentioned in a couple of posts that some pieds might not be harlequins and perhaps not even dom. pieds. Did he say what he paired that bird to? Emerald ...

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That's Great News !!

Well done to everyone.
I think that's a great result in the long run.

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Some more pics of Chris: ... http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/bluesaddleback6l9jkgsyzw.jpg ... madas I can't tell apart from the above bird & below TurquoiseBlue Harlequin which you know well and now own for many years Chris. http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp119/Ring0Neck/HarliquinPa...

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Peter, I ment to pair it to a misty chf or misty /chf Molossus, i'm with you from a logical perspective, however i don't often use logic :D It is also the reason why i am so often wrong :? which i'm ok with. logic to me has some shortcomings, and its mainly based on what we know not what we don't kn...

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Peter,

Whatever it is, we have it though CHFs here in Oz as well.
It'd be good to work out what it acctually is.

If you pair that bird to another that has this misty mutation i suspect you're going to get white chfs as well.

just a hunch

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Looks good like that

Thanks for sharing the pics and info
Great looking bird !

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Pete,

Not sure. I'm just getting into Opalines now, i know little about the combo, esp. with Parblue.
Maybe someone else can answer that.

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prodigy wrote:Dominant Pied, Clear Flights and Clear Tail with at saddle on the back, have I missed anything ?

by the time the bird is 1 y old saddle should have extended over the whole back of the bird.
sharper colors

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Less (words) is More

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/4s.JPG

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Hi Taliep, I think the color concentration in the tail is a "mistake" and i assume it will clear after 1y moult. I have seen that before, i think Rod had some young like that in 2012 season, not sure what happen to those birds after moult. young's mother is a green violet, next to him in t...

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This is how i envisage an AquaBlue to look like.
Don't you agree?
Emerald is too "sandy" to bare the Aqua name

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/a.JPG

Lighting adjusted same pic

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/aal.JPG

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weird but nice !

I title this pic "Alien Extraction"

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And a visible grey neckring. ;)
Btw: nice birdy on the right.

A grey/black neckring?

Thanks, she is s-thing special.

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The red eye might be from the flash/angle of the eye & in fact there could be no red eye. Don't believe I've ever seen a pic of a IRN having red eyes (due to flash) that weren't already of a mutation that are hatched with red eyes. Do you have an example? Shey, I don't remember seeing one eithe...

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Tell Cooper that Bazinga is a Jellyfish, right here in OZ

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Hi John,

Saddlebacks don't have colored tail at fledging from what i've seen. mine got it about 9months old
this bird below got his black tail at 3 y o

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The red eye might be from the flash/angle of the eye & in fact there could be no red eye. we can see flash was used. still. But the heads all three birds are forming the same angle to the camera. So i don't think it is the "red-eye" effect. Point taken, the camera yes, but the bird's ...

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madas wrote:
Hm. Don't think so. Can't see any Emerald indicator.
Have you checked the underwing section?

Me neither.

6 week old pic in flight

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The red eye might be from the flash/angle of the eye & in fact there could be no red eye. we can see flash was used. still. Chris will probably answer this for us. I'm not an expert in SBs. If saddleback was paired to another pied it probably will make sense, the other pieds will interfere with ...

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Well. LOL i edited again previous post. :D Chris should ask him. Its true i don't have a blue SB but clearly the red eyes indicates something else yet he calls both saddlebacks. I'd like to see a better pic of that SB or when they were younger. I can only assume that their phenotype change dramatica...

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I see turquoise not saddleback
Whose birds are they? Parentage? etc the person who has these birds shold know why red eyes on that bird.

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You're right, I should have just added another pic not replace. My bad.

Taken last month.
green's neckring looks a bit faded but i see black.

Green Pied is split opaline, if it counts for anything.

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LOL I noticed it was blurry but it shows the red ring as well, hence the change. Original below & another (I wil look for a clearer one): I see the same as the blue pied next to him http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2170019.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2170005c.jpg This pic below is from...

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The interesting part would be if we see the same in a green series DF harlequin means a yellow looking bird. I am pretty sure they will show a neckring. But it could be difficult to see it because a normal harlequin is showing a brighter neckring then a normal IRN. not sure how old df green is but ...

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My "Pied Cleartail" (TBC Cleartail) is 2011 and no neckring either. his brother pied/CT has a faint neckring but lower mandible is red.

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Harlequin's have a neckring There's a good chance it is not a harlequin, but a different dominant pied. We can safely devide them into 3 lots of pieds we have in OZ (naming just to ID their phenotype not denoting a new mutation) Clearwing Dom. Pieds Clearback Pieds = Harlequins (they have a nicer p...

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Willy's pic and he said: "This image shows side by side wings of IndigoBlue and df Indigo chicks. The df Indigo has more green on the wings. "

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Johan S wrote:... Can we get a pic of them in the sun? I really like the way the colour of the wing coverts change.

Managed to get some today
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P3130808.JPG
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P3130838.JPG
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P3130698.JPG

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All birds in the pic are young hens.

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I would go with Recessive Edged, see first pic

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That is a young CHF hen indeed. In the first pic there's another CHF on the wire but a lighter color more what i would expect CHFs to look like. The breeder that bred this bird has put Pieds into CHFs but no CHF Pieds were bred to his surprise. My questions is Why not? Perhaps he was not lucky for ...

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