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For me it is visible.

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Hi all Sad to see that you all wont to break away and start a nother group. Info that has come out on this forum has been great and open To all who like to follow. Q. How do we join this group We don't break away. We only start a project-page for a genetic research propose. But it is all in the beg...

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Server & domains ready ! Over to Madas and the rest of the team. for the main site: .com The key is how to structure the website, just like making a plan for building a house. I hope that Madas will come up with a suggestion or 2 and we can work from that. The idea is to be structured right for...

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Albino x TurquoiseBlue = males: Blue /Ino TurquoiseBlue /Ino Blue TurquoiseBlue females: Albino TurquoiseBlue Ino = Creamino Sorry Willi, but the whole male offspring is split for Ino and not the half. males: Blue /Ino TurquoiseBlue /Ino females: Blue Ino = Albino TurquoiseBlue Ino = Creamino greet...

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Then i would setup a subdomain called research.ringneck-genetics.com which is only accessable for registered users. After registering this subdomain perhaps we should setup a system for delegating taks and to summarize the infos. At work we use a ticket system called bitnami redmine Madas, Happy us...

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ringneck-genetics.com is a very good domain name (main domain). I would vote for it. Here we should publish finished projects. It should be build from CMS system. Sources could be synced by dropbox or something other. :) A good CMS is zeta-producer unfortunately only in german from Version 11 up. Bu...

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I have noticed when going through previous threads that if images are moved from 'library' into an 'album' the link is destroyed. I have moved all of my images to an album named 'Trabots images' and will add new ones to that album. I wanted to be able to allow anyone to view the images but after cr...

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pic of Tienie:

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Another view of the bird in question:

So i think now it's clearer what kind of mutation he is.

No dilute. But for my eyes he isn't a poor cinnamon as well. The head looks strange.

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to a normal female that isn't opaline, cinnamon or ino (resp. pallid). Yeah you are right it's not a must have because the female offspring is getting its Z-chromosom from the father. So to clearify: if using only normal females paired to the Edged /sex-linked male you can only use the female offsp...

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Johan S wrote:a well known person in the Netherlands, his pair seems to behave in the same way as well.

Let me guess: he wrote two books about psittacula species. ;)

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Madas will the irn Slate follow the budgie iro its crossover rate? Does the higher rate combinations indicate a closer relationship between those mutations? Is the phenomena limited/restricted to - only known in SL mutations? He Lee, for my knowledge there is no slate IRN. Only "Slaty". T...

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Lee, these crossover rates holds over all parrot species. The rate is a probability that is related to the distance between the mutant loci on the "string" of DNA in a chromosome. So all mutations in a specific chromosome are affected by crossing over / linkage. Hope I have all the jargon...

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I have my doubts if this short cut will work and believe you need at least an edged/opaline cock & edged-opaline hen to produce a sf edged-opaline or df edged-opaline cock. Can't agree complete. You can breed an Edged-opaline male from a pair Edged /opaline x opaline but to get such a bird at l...

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I do own a dblue cinnamon-edged cock, blue cinnamon-edged cock, edged/cinnamon cock, edged/lutino cock and blue edged/opaline cock that we can use for any experiments you suggest. So i would say you could/should use the edged /cinnamon and edged /lutino males because you don't lost much valued bird...

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I would say: First you have to breed SL Edged males which are split for the other sex-linked mutation. Means SL Edged(EF) /opaline, SL Edged(EF) /cinnamon and SL Edged(EF) /ino (resp. pallid). For example you can do this by breeding 1,0 SL Edged to 0,1 opaline or vice versa. These males then have to...

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Some pics of a dilute green male:

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Hi Recio,

download and save as xml file. Then open it with notepad++ for example. And then change the words between the tag.
If you still are not able to change them then you can mail me a list with the translated words.

thx in advance.

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molossus wrote:not sure exactly . Not enough info available. I have seen both phenotypes but the breeders didnt work long enough to confirm SF or DF.

Can you provide some pics? Possible in a new thread?

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molossus wrote: the problem with Misty in blue is that there are two different expressions of the mutant in the blue gene...viz one a washed blue and the other a ash grey.

Means EF and DF or what?

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Father : Violet green/turq Mother : Misty grey in dom edge. the Mistys do look lighter to me. Not bad, not bad my friend. :D The mother should carry the cinnamon gen as well. But it hard to tell if grey or blue (for my eyes there is a very light bluish shine at the upper feet region and parts of th...

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And now the parents of the bird in question:

Father???
Mother???

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Deon Smith wrote: I cannot post images yet and have asked Madas to do that job.

Here they come:

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molossus wrote:The bird is a green Pallid(lacewing).

Sure? I can see a green head instead of yellow.

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There certainly isn't "enough evidence to warrant it as a mutation yet". No df 'sapphire'. The 'azure' is in the same category. If one really wants to do hypotheticals then why not have the calculator include a non specific mutation for each inheritance type (SL, REC, DOM), then we can fa...

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Madas, as Willy suggested, you should perhaps add Azure to your Calculator and remove Saphire for now. No i don't. I have added it only for the Aussie Guys. Once it is in it never would be removed. :D Azure = Sapphire both are unproven. So why should i add a new unproven mutation on one side and on...

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Deon Smith wrote:This specific picture was taken from the Web.

Deon

Hi Deon,

can you send me the link via PM.

thx.

madas

Edit: I found it. ;)

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Deon Smith wrote:My idea of a Khaki TurqBlue comes from life itself.

I'll get an image tomorrow.

Deon

Here is a pic of Deon showing a Khaki or Misty (not clear if both are the same) TurqBlue:

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Deon Smith wrote:Madas

Could your bird be a SF Khaki Parblue?

Deon

Really?

Misty + ParBlue = "aqua" looking phenotype. Interesting isn't it?

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Hm, i don't think so. What i have seen grizzle looks in another way.

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I will test my Bronze Fallow/blue (Bastiaan) cock with a Nsl Ino hen in 2013 to determine if Bronze Fallow really exist, but I have my doubts. So then it is still possible that cleartail and NSLino could be alleles of the same locus and then the whole green offspring from cleartail x bronze fallow ...

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Because a grizzle is born with the "grizzle" pattern. Most progressive pieds don't.

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I would also be interested to see the relationship of this fallow type with the very "pale" type of fallow. And also with the fallow type sold as bronze fallow where the head dilution is minimal. Madas has a good picture of one with a ring and a greenish head. Tada: http://www.halsbandsit...

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Johan S wrote:I think that is a DEC pastel fischer lovebird, but I could also be very wrong.

Not bad. Was bought as PastelIno.

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Cleartail maybe? But as second alternative.

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Pics of progressive pieds provieded by Tienie:

greetings.

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Out of a Cleartail line?

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Lushen1600 wrote:Hi Madas what mutation is the bird in the background with the reddish head and yellowish wings

Perhaps a red headed dom. pied ringneck with a short tail.

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Hi Madas If I am correct in my assumption that the birds in the background are lovebirds, can ringnecks and lovebirds co exist providing the avairy is large enough? Thanks Carmen Sure. I haven't lost any lovebird by a ringneck attack. :) But i don't have them in the same aviaries any more. the ring...

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Hi Recio, this kind of "parblue" is very common here in Germany and in East Europe. At birth the youngsters only have a patch of psittacine between the wings which could grow to go on into the wings then matured. madas Hi Madas, If this "saddle" pattern is inherited from parents...

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Hi Lee, We are all mutation seekers :twisted: My thougth: 1. Perhaps the patched mutations so far described (Turquoise, Indigo, Saphire?) are homoallelic mutations (mutations of the same point) of the blue gene, so that there is just a question of gradient among them: Gradient inside the feather wi...

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Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:dun-fallow
Madas, do you have some pics? You can start a new topic to clean this one clean and to the point.

Tienie already started a topic here.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=16511

greetings.

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And one more. Most (nearly all) Harlequin show a small edged Pattern in the flightfeathers. Sometimes very good marked and visible like in the birds of John Shannon and sometimes hard to find resp. see resp. indentify.

Pics will follow.

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Probably the dom. pied aka harlequin mutation is the spangle mutation but it needs further investigation.
Harlequin shares a lot of features with the budgie spangle mutation.

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Hi Johan, here are two pics of the back view: http://imageshack.us/a/img402/5075/img2482e.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img825/8225/img2485y.jpg I know that there are psittacine patches on it. But the question is: Is indigo (sapphire???) changing the body color towards an aqua phenotype? And is it dark...

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indigo, sapphire, khaki and dun-fallow added. Restart the program for new update.

Happy calculating.

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... future: saving and loading calculations; add dun-fallow, Khaki and perhaps indigo and sapphire to the mutation list; calculate cross-over rates.... Great work Madas, I will send to you the French translation. Will you also make a Spanish version? If so ..let me know. I like to see that in the f...

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Johan S wrote: Not that clear on the pics to me, Madas. To me it seems more an effect of the light/camera. You have some more pictures?

I will search through my archive. ;)

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prodigy wrote:Hey Madas,

Looks great !

Installed with out a glitch on Windows 7

Any chance of an offspring export to note pad button in the next version this would make it the perfect tool ?

regards,

Peter

Try ctrl+v within notepad. It's already build in.

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Unfortunately - prerequisites: Windows, .Net Framework 4 and Windows Installer 4.5 I won't be able to use it. :cry: I'll have to wait until you feel like dabbling in mobile platform software development (Apple, Android, etc.). But fantastic effort none the less! thx. Yeah i know but i haven't the t...

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