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... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Above Question is confusing (probably a Typo) , the rest makes sense to me... I did want to say initially: "He is probably thinking of Edged" :D only Edged mutation is known to have that breeding ...

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... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Above Question is confusing (probably a Typo) , the rest makes sense to me. Ok, Nigel tells me he has many pairs where both male & female are Cinnamon, these pairs could help confirm if both types are c...

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Nigel, You said they are paired up to breed this year. Tell us the pairings & when young feather up we could determine what parents are based on the young; if crossover, a combination of mutations or indeed 2 types, depending on the pairings you've done if you have paired one type X the other ty...

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Hi BuksV

Welcome to the forum.
Nice collection of IRNs !

Let us know once you find out more from Johan's contact regarding these birds you have if they are Progressive Pieds etc.
I hope you paired them up to breed this season.

Ben

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Johan,

I did show pics of her in a previous thread.
Old pics, i'll see if i can find more recent 1s.

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This morning I had to fix the perch & reluctantly checked the nestbox of the blue/chf x young Edged EmeraldBlue while there only to find to my surprise 3 eggs in the nest

Didn't expected the hen to lay as she looked rather young and not ready i thought.
Hope they're fertile.

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Hi BuksV, Your birds do not resemble any known mutation that i'm aware of. It could be that it is an acquired mutation however, more often than not it is related to nutrition, the the type of feed that you use, it could be a deficiency of some sort. Make sure you give them a complete feed inc. pelle...

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One needs to understand that opaline does not make the wildtype head darker. The head colour stays pretty much the same, but the body colour, esp. just below the neck ring, is considerably diluted. Well said & I agree. I was caught up in justifying the head color difference but otherwise same l...

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Back on the main subject, see pic below of Phil's Pied opaline which correlates to the last 2 birds in our topic pic (just add emerald) :) For the second from the right i agree. The head looks steps darker like for the birds in the pic on Chris website. madas Last bird from the left is a 7 month ol...

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Hi Todd, Nice bird you got there. It is a shame that little work has been put into edged, misty or cinnamon in the last 10 years by breeders. My guess is probably a df edged cinnamon, most edged breeders paired edged x edged so a few DFs around the place. Misty could also be in the mix and lastly an...

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The pic on Chris's website although it is a CT as well, still shows nicely the Opaline markers. Hope you breed your Mauve Opaline this season (i'm jelous) :D https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TBru0y5cRnU/UpsEXJj1SHI/AAAAAAAAAoE/gio6TVaQCXw/s512/10a%2520opalinecleartailmauve.jpg Back on the main sub...

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Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers??? Excellent question. I've been wondering about this too. Trying to produce a mauve opaline to compare with the grey opaline, but haven't had luck yet. Hoping this is my season. :D Loo...

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Hi Mike, Good points to consider. However, as you know since you have TurqEmerald CT, adding another Parblue to emerald is going to make the bird greener not yellower. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-smKQq8p-CXo/UpsFFOUVQqI/AAAAAAAAAtw/kpJ414-K3rc/s512/36%2520emeraldturquioseharlequin_nevilleconn...

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SilverSage,

You can start with this website
http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm

Deon's book mentioned above can be purchased here (in Australia)
http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/book-shop

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Kappa wrote:That can only mean one thing. The first two must be of the saddleback line of pieds.

So, you're saying: They are 2 different types of pied genes, certainly morphotype perhaps even genotype (saddleback or not)

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Hi Kappa,

Good question to break the ice.
answer is: no turquoise for either of the 4.
the 2nd bird in the pic is from Chris's website
https://picasaweb.google.com/MCWaviarie ... 2653772610

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Lutino Is a Yellow colored bird
Albino is white = Lutino + Blue

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We have 4 birds in below pic.
All 4 carry Emerald & Dom. Pied mutations
Bird's sex: L 2 R: Male; male i think; Male; Hen

It is obvious the first 2 have a diff. phenotype compared to the last 2.

Why do you think that is?

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/4ep.jpg

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Albino = Ino +Blue
a grey lutino will still look like an Albino since grey is masked by INO

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Hi,

It is very possible.
In fact in Australia 90+% of green ringnecks are split for Blue, it is rather rare to find a green not split to anything.
That includes grey greens as well.

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Hi,

You have there a beautiful Grey Ringneck

Normally Ringneck's sex can not be determined till they are mature , males have a neckring females don't
You can also DNA Sex it to determine its sex.

One can only guess otherwise, guesses are give or take 20% accurate.

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madas wrote:
Molossus2 wrote:not cinnamon
The bird in question? For sure he is a cinnamon. Feets, beak, quills are matching.

If Cinnamon then it also makes sense why the head is blueish due to lighter colored head of cinnamon.

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Ok I got the pics Thanks. It could carry the Emerald gene, still, i would want to see good pics of the father and rest of the youngsters. but if i wanted to buy this bird i would not pay more than what a Turquoise Violet Pied is worth due to its size, it is on the small side possibly due to parents ...

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here's a pic of the violet Turquoise Pied (first bird on the left)
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/IMG_7537.JPG

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From what i have seen the best way i can describe an EmeraldTurquoise Violet Pied V Turquoise Violet Pied The EmeraldTurquoise Pied chest/rump is a lime green color whereas Turquoise Violet Pied has a dirtier lookin rump/chest We are dealing with pieds & it is much harder as they always change t...

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Do you have/ seen many pics of just Turquoise Violet pieds?
I have a few, i can dig some pics for you if you want.

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No, there's not many of them. see pic i added to my first post in case you missed it.
did you see the parent's pic? and happy that it is so?

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Lyn, Regarding the debate, before such claim is made (who has & what it looks like etc) i suggest you guys start with pics of the parents The parents One parent must carry the Turquoise mutation & the other parent Emerald, the only way to breed a TurquoiseEmerald & work your way from the...

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I don't think i was rude ! not more so than your statement claiming you have an emerald bred from Indigo & turquoise.

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It's a Hen

Although best practice is to DNA sex them or wait & once mature males will get a neckring except Albino and some other rare mutation combinations, white colored IRNs, Rec. pieds.
Normally one can not tell for sure ringneck's sex when young unless Surgical or DNA Sexing is done.

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I have breed my first Emerald turquose female last year out of a Indigo and old terms Rainbow Unfortunately you can not breed emerald from above pair. It's like saying an English man married a French woman and they have 6 Chinese kids We as humans sometimes see what we want to see, not what is real...

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Hi Glenn,

It has been done and it will be done again this year with DF Emerald which is a much more desirable option
with a normal EmeraldBlue X Green you get green possible split Emerald

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Shey,

Here is one

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/IMG_7537.JPG

Lee, why not? having more colors in the nest to work with esp. if misty edged.

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Shey

Any chance you can pair him to a violet hen?

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Shey, It could be a df edged by looking at the latest pix I got a grey emerald that could be masking deep from 2013. I have a fertile egg from grey emerald x deep vio; this pair should lay another clutch in a week as i have had the eggs removed. I have a grey masking vio chf x deep blue working the ...

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...or it is an edged misty. :P I did not want to say it, i was waiting for Molossus to say it first :D I tend to agree since SF grey edged should not have the wings so diluted but rather have the baring visible head in the last pic also points to misty & increased grey body color in certain lig...

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August or late July is about right.

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Do domestic Indian ringneck parrots have specific breeding season? Yes they do. In Europe it is in the spring approx Jan to April, depending where in EU . your season finished not long ago and it is unlikely hen will go down so late, it does happen but rarely and it is not natural for them to breed...

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My season has started with 1 pair on 4 eggs
couple more pairs i expect to follow within a week or 2 & full swing from there throughout Aug.

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Can you find out the parents of the violet dilute? and what else was in the nest, siblings of the violet dilute?

does it look close to these in pic below? or less violet color?

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Your bird is a male; Grey Cleartail (outdated term for cleartail: white head white tail)

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...But maybe they are split for a rec. pied mutation or even cleartail is a pied mutation. :D Yep. thought about that for a while now. It is odd that my "white Pied CT" bred no pieds from 4 young, curious to see if i get any this season. the only young i kept from them now 10 months old h...

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It was the tail, the black stripe seen in pic 2 that made me do it.

my initial reaction : is this a Harlequin CT?
not my bird.

Here's another tail's tail

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Turquoise grey cleartail hen it is.

An Indigo would not have as much psittacine/yellow esp. in head area of a young hen.

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... Tell me what you see, and I'll tell you what I see. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_0102_zps4ada8760.jpg Any chance it could be Homoz. Opaline Misty/Slaty or khaki? :?: Looks like a visual opaline but all markers reduced to only 30% or less visual manifestation

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Hi Todd WB , Long time...

I stand to be corrected but i've been told Martin did not pair Dark to Deep, therefore it should carry no Dark in its gen makeup.

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At times i get this Deja Vu that a mutation like Edged or Misty through breeding selection (unintended) evolved its phenotype to blend in and become almost invisible and like a virus lives happily in our cages without being noticed 90% of the time. A Recessive mutation carrying a dominant (invisibl...

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Recio, True, if breeder is certain that none of the parents of the fathers carried opaline. Secondly, i have never seen an Ino-Opaline & my thought is that it could be an allelic interaction between the 2 just like pallidino. Possibly giving us InoOpaline= pallid lookalike? has anyone bred an in...

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creative thought

Opaline to be part of the gen-makeup as well & we could possibly have here "the creation of Pallid" a triple x-over + allelicism in play
equals; birth of a mutation

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