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Hi Mike,

Try to have a look at the skin colour under different lights including, of course, uv. Let's see if any kind of relation can be made with the final feathers phenotype.

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Recio this is an accurate discription of my experience to date however there is one other common trait in this family of birds that started appearing from different pairs of homozygous matings and these birds have been best described by Tienie as Cinnamon with a grey under tone (no brown visual any...

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Sorry,
This is the topic: http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=18957

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Hi, We call a parblue to a bird showing a partial expression of psittacins. This partial expression can be achieved by two mechanisms: 1. Partial activation of the pathway leading to psittacin production so that a lower amount of final psittacin is produced. 2. Partial inactivation of the pathway le...

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1) If emerald is linked with blue (assuming >50%) there is another high probability that emerald should be linked with the alleles of blue as well i.e. Emerald-Parblue linkage . >50% linkage ... is not linkage and is not possible since free inheritance is already at 50%. The linkage between Emerald...

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Hi Recio I have been thinking again. I agree with you that the possibility of a close linkage between Emerald and Blue would effectively negate the chance of proving EmeraldBlue by breeding my TurquoiseEmerald hen with a BlueBlue cock. However, as I have said before, surely anything other than Emer...

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since the emerald green alex was bred from two green birds then the idea behind my thoughts is that the emerald and blue may share a relationship auto interlinking blue to emerald. ie emerald green is visually a green bird carrying blue in its makeup.Am I making sense? Recio this is on the basis of...

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The other family is still to be determined as to what their inheritance is though I suspect they belong to the Par Ino ,Fallow or Dilute this is to be determined. These will produce Fallow type occassionally and will lean towards a faded colour with a bright over sheen. This second family when subj...

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Recio I calls it as i sees it...Parblue= partial blue. if i am not mistaken that was the intention of the name in the first place... You are rigth ... and partial blue phenotype or partial blue genotype becomes similar whenever we are dealing with a single blue locus, but if we are thinking that, p...

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ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald How many birds are we talking about, Ben? Granted, I think we are looking at an allele of the blue locus. Is that sufficient to classify it as a parblue? I think the answer is no. Hi everybody; First we must define what we are meaning with the word "parblue&...

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Here is another update from Aaron : Second year breeding Violet green/Emerald/CT X Violet Blue Cleartail hen: ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald This confirms Emerald mutation a Recessive mutation to Wildtype (Green) and this supports Emerald being a Parblue !!! Thoughts? Hi Ben, I will "copy...

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Yeap. Mother is for sure split blue because Lee already got an "emerald blue". All we need is a homozygous blue. :) Time will tell. But emerald is really a very attractive mutation. Nice silky shine on the whole body then sitting in the shadow or shelter. madas Hi Madas, Just a correction...

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Madas the green emerald hen is paired to a blue normal cock. 4 chicks..still to feather. thx. If you got one plain blue chick then emerald could be dominant. If all 4 are emerald blue series then it is 99% a rec. mutation but with small visible markers in the green series. :) Hi Lee & Madas, If...

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Hi everybody: Breeding results from 1.0 Green/SL-Ino-Cinnamon (type 2 linkage) /Clearhead Fallow x 0.1 Blue Violet/Clearhead Fallow. Two clutches of 4 + 2 babies. Offspring results: 2 Green males 2 Green Cinnamon females 1 Green Cinnamon Violet Clearhead Fallow female 1 Cinnamon-Sl Ino (type 1 link...

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Recio, You can email them to me if easier. happy to upload them if a hassle for you. from this pairing results it seems that Violet and Clearhead Fallow could be linked. I found it to be the opposite in the last few years. Been trying to breed a Turq. Violet CHF for a few years, maybe this year.......

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Recio I can assure you there is a difference between sl edged/cinnamon and sl edged-cinnamon in phenotype. I still own a green sl edged/cinnamon/dilute cock but sold a green sl edged-cinnamon. Will contact the breeder to get the bird for comparison pics. Tienie Hi Tienie, You have misunderstood me ...

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... and here is the good post (2011): https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Genetics-Psittacine/conversations/messages/20358 The important part of Terry's answer: Cinnamon and SL-ino mutations in IRN Recio These loci are not unique to parrots and their juxtaposition is no where near as close in other ...

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I have not found the file I was looking for but those here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Gen ... /topics/10
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Gen ... ages/14630

Hope it helps

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Hi Madas,

I will look for the link.
In fact in real life my hen colour is similar to the lacewing budgi you have just posted.

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Combining Ino with another mutation which isn't an allele of the ino locus should result in a fully (nearly) prevention of melanin prodcution. Cinnamon isn't able to bring back any melanin which is gone by Ino because cinnamon isn't altering the quantity . It is altering the quality. Means if cinna...

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Recio I bred and own a cinnamon-ino/blue female and her change in phenotype from birth to maturity is spot on as decribed by Johan. I understand your point about the presence of the dark factor but my hen display a light head almost like a pallid. How old is the cinn-ino chf hen and will her body c...

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Hm i have my doubts too. Violet is structual so why should it change the melanin synthesis? It is truly not the case for a violet ino combo which is still looking like a ino. For most other species we know that a combo of ino and cinnamon look nearly ino except for small grey brown regions. I think...

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Recio My apology for the late response. Will read all tonight and reply. If cinnamon and edged are alleles why do we have edged/cinnamon cocks? Regards Tienie Hi Tienie, We think that we have Edged/Cinnamon cocks because we evaluate mating results on the basis that Edged and Cinnamon are different ...

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Recio, Cinnamon-SLIno birds are born as ino's. It is only as they mature that the light green shade starts coming through. Hi Johan, This is the classic description, but I could see my bird was a Cinnamon-SLIno from feathering in the nest. As I wrote, probably this is due to the presence of Violet ...

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Hi Ben, I think that the remaining melanin is enhanced by the presence of Violet. I have never seen any other pic of SL-Ino-Cinnamon but descriptions say that it is a light green yellowish bird. What about the more marked primary wing feathers? Would it be the result of Cinnamon + Violet or could al...

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Hi Recio, such a breeding strategy won't be necessary, since if one assumes that such a female (SL Edged-Cinnamon) exists for two mutations on the z-chromosone, then they can not be alleles to begin with and must be at separate loci (a female can only carry one allele of a locus on the z-chromosone...

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The pics: Cin-SL-Ino Violet Clearhead Fallow besides a Green Cinnamon http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/jrecio99/P8281040_zps6d1d66a1.jpg Cin-SL-Ino Violet Clearhead Fallow besides a normal Green http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/jrecio99/P8281041_zps18b8656c.jpg Cin-SL-Ino Violet Clea...

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Hi Johan and Ben, Violet enhances optically the residual melanin and the bird appears with marked primary wing feathers. Body colour is ligth green yellow. I know that clearhead fallow is at work because of the eye. I knew that the male was split clearhead fallow but I knew nothing about possible sp...

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Hi everybody: Breeding results from 1.0 Green/SL-Ino-Cinnamon (type 2 linkage) /Clearhead Fallow x 0.1 Blue Violet/Clearhead Fallow. Two clutches of 4 + 2 babies. Offspring results: 2 Green males 2 Green Cinnamon females 1 Green Cinnamon Violet Clearhead Fallow female 1 Cinnamon-Sl Ino (type 1 linka...

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http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y403/carrbirds/CarrBirds12May2013014_zps23f70779.jpg http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y403/carrbirds/CarrBirds12May2013011_zps2f4dbbf7.jpg Notice the light feet of the cobalt sf sl edged-cinnamon Tienie Hi Tienie, In both pics the bird with the ligther nails a...

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Recio wrote 2. The Edged females are similar (equal?) to cinnamon edged females (Tienie's report. See here: http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=91271). Maybe the Edges females and the Cinnamon Edges females are so similar because they are both just Edges females. If SL-Edged and Cin...

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Hi everybody, I have just come from visiting the aviaries of Sandrine Tremplin and passing a wonderfull time with her and her husband. They have been breeding SL-Edged Cinnamon combo and confirm Tienie's report about a patched pattern in juveniles. It means that this patching is not due to minor gen...

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Why? I think the opaline does not have the right color palett/playground to do its magic, or it won't allow it. hopefully pieds+ parblues? could provide such environment for Opaline to do its magical play of colors. Hi Ben, yes, unfortunately IRN breeders are going to miss out on the real magic, wh...

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Ben & Mike, Please, have also a look at a possible fluorescence of the skin and the beak. I do not yet completelly give up the possibility of a structural yellow in Emeralds. In this case it could be a different keratin at work, and even the skin and /or the beak and/or the nails (owing also ker...

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Hi Recio, pressed for time so will go into your response later. For now, consider this (since you want to talk about males). Tienie mentioned to me that he has produced a cinnamon hen from a SF SL Edged / opaline / cinnamon cock. I assume he is talking about a red eyed bird, since I doubt he will c...

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Me again, In the post about the fusi mutation: Stefan Crossover rate of SL Edged and Cinnamon is a lot higher I would say 25%. That's the hen. I paired her father a Cobalt SL Edged-cinnamon to a cinnamon-ino/blue hen last season. Unfortunately the pair only produced 1 baby, a cinnamon - will have it...

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PS: I have not ventured into the territory of male birds. I feel the females already tell the story. :) ... but Johan, do you still believe in females stories? :lol: Let's see: 1. It has been detected a little transitory difference in juvéniles between SL-Edged females and SL-Edged-Cinnamon combos....

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Thanks Johan for your input. In fact Tienie words were as follows: Stefan I understand your opinion and agree with it. The only SL mutation it was tested is cinnamon. (SL edged/cinnamon & green). The problem you are sitting with is that it is very difficult to distinguish between cinnamon edged ...

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Let's analyse other facts: 1. Where the cinnamon and the SL-Edged locus are located: they are so closely located that we are speaking about the SL-Edged-Cinnamon-SL Ino/Pallid complex. So it could be that, in fact, both Cinnamon and SL-Edged locus could be the same. For further analysis of the dista...

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Recio, This is a tough nut to crack . My brain keeps resetting half way through :lol: I like the challenge though & i'm sure others will have a real crack at it, i guess anyone attempting this better have some free time & a bit of Yoga might also help :D It is not so hard. We just should ch...

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Hi everybody, Let's think about the possibility that SL-Edged and Cinnamon were different alleles of the same locus. I am absolutelly sure that this possibility has already pup up in somebody's mind :wink: . I propose you all to list the reasons for and against this hypothesis. The first and more im...

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Hi Ben,

First have a look at the parents to detect the difference between Emerald and other green series birds. Then you will know what you should look for on the babies down.

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Thumbs up guys

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For me, there is still uncertainty over the order of the inner loci, SL Edged, Cinnamon and SL Ino. I don't think there is enough SL Edged opaline offspring yet to conclude it's OR or P. Not many of them have been bred, but at least we can conclude that crossing over is fairly easy (but not if it i...

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Since Emerald is also expressed from fledging I was wandering if the down of young Emeralds could also be different than the down expressed by the classic parblues. I can have a look in a few days Recio, I have 5 young in the nest just hatched a couple of days ago. Congratulations. Do you own a par...

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Hi Madas,

I can not see any cinnamon marker in either the nails, the feet colour, the bill or the wing feathers.

About the reason of the translucent iris other than clear head fallow ... nor idea

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Hi everybody, Just some ideas and one question: 1. Emerald is readily visible at fledging. 2. Emerald can be easily recognized by the underwing patch in blue series birds 3. It seems that green birds owing Emerald (split to Emerald for ones or a dominant mutation for others, me too) are easier to de...

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Hi Johan, Thanks for the references. Inte described an offspring ratio (OR) of 40.5% between Opaline and Slate in budgies. At the time he wrote that article he was studing the crossing over rate (P) between Cinnamon and Slate and preliminary results pointed to around 5% of OR. We can make some calcu...

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Yes, I think so. It would seem that SL-Edge, Cinnamon and SL-Ino/Pallid were all together in around 5 LMU. It will be really hard to know exactly which one is besides the other. In this situation any linkage between any 2 or 3 of these mutations would inherit as a single mutation: 1. Cin-SL Ino ... ...

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Hi Madas; 1. About nails colour: it mainly depends on melanin content and much less on structural changes. The bird showing black nails, also show a darker skin and a greener belly than the one showing ligth nails. These findings point to a different level in melanin content between both birds. You ...

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