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Very interesting disc.

madas wrote: So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino ...

was this male paired to a green series hen?
wondering if the opaline grey-green we see in below pic might be from the same parents?

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Sky,

A Violet EmeraldBlue young

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PA255755.JPG

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PA255747.JPG

Emeralds do not have patches like Turquoise

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Dark Green Opaline? color seems more like a rusty green, wings have plenty "blue" more like a dark!?

here's an sf green violet opaline cockbird slightly older
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255834.JPG
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255837.JPG

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Sky It's very purplish which would indicate the Cobalt-Violet combo however some breeders claim to have bred purple looking violets. The turquoise phenotype is rather interesting here, i think it is going to be a heavy turquoise, nice one. If there is another mutation in there, i'm thinking Slatey, ...

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Hi Ben, What I did find interesting was how much the turquoise df deep blue hen reminded me of your avatar hen, with the deep electric blue flights and tail. I know what you mean, she is s-thing special in my eyes and not yet certain of her full gen makeup esp from her mother's side (which i still ...

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Hi Skyes, How did you go this breeding season? Pic 1- both birds look the same. But they are different. The bird on the left is genetically a parblue. Parents are 1,0 Turquoise sf Violet X 0,1 TurquoiseBlue. See pic 2. Two things to consider here: 1. Indeed the left bird could be TurquoiseBlue, bein...

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Great work Kappa & Martin, Thanks for taking the time to take these comparisson pics.
Indeed the variance in Deep's color is clearly visible in above pics.

If you have more pics of the SF Deeps by all means upload them ;)

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You can start with this website where it shows most available mutations and their inheritance.

http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm

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... that's why I suggested "keeping it in the family" :) How would you go about achieving this? & how long it'll that take someone to achieve this feat? Imagine trying to breed green split for emerald and turq. resp. & to keep it in the family & confirm the correct splits shor...

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Hi Ben, yes, that's what I was referring to. It would be very nice to see two green series brothers, one carrying blue or turq, the other carrying emerald, side by side. Johan, Yes, that would be nice! This green in above pic i believe is /turquoise first year breeding with him & i have another...

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Thanks Molossus, same to you & hope you breed what you are wishing for. I hope to breed this season new & exciting phenotypes , exploring further into the endless posibilities of combinations possible with amany mutations we have available to play with. Hope you do well with your Dhani, my o...

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Molossus,

My IRNs are very much where yours are ATM.
i expect eggs early July & in full swing in August

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Johan,

Is this what you're looking for in that pic?

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Hi Ben Until now I thought you and Willy saw Aaron's chick as 100% proof that emerald was a recessive par blue gene. As I remember it, that proof could only fail if emerald was a dominant gene that produced yellow colour some how. Are you now saying that you can detect emerald in the split parent? ...

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... you had closely inspected the bird and reversed your view and managed to identify it as an Emerald Green. Mike, I didn't do any of the above unfortunately. My view is that it is Green/Emerald a Parblue mutation. If you read my post again i simply told what John said, Personally i was not able t...

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My next question to all : Which irn mutation has a closer relationship with the Dominant Dhani? the parblue turquoise series ? or parblue Emerald? Ringo please may I include a little devil (with a huge spanner) :twisted: :lol: :D we need new/more emoticans :lol: relationship we won't be able to say...

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... you can either believe that I am the luckiest person in the world to successfully pick out heterozygous green emeralds from three different flocks in a blind test, or you can start believing that emerald (at least in Alex) is not as recessive to green as one would read in books... I have had mo...

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So the blue series did not have the triangle? I didn't noticed one. :( What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove. madas I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen :D

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And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. ... If that would be the case with all opalines would be a great marker especially in combos where opaline is hard to ID like edged opaline, H. pied opaline etc. So the blue series did not have the triangle? Yes, i no...

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Nicely Done !

The green series bird has a whiter down.
Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down?

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Hi Thomas,

Generally speaking it is 1 and the same bird. Most times people will not mention the Blue just simple write Turquoise Ino

Genetically speaking:
Turquoise Ino = Homozygous Turquoise Ino (both genes are Turquoise)
TurquoiseBlue Ino = Turquoise one gene Blue the other + Ino

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Hi Sherjil, My view is simply Emerald being a Parblue based on data thusfar. Not much point in debating this before a breeding season that should give us lots of data/info. In previous post i was mostly asking rather than telling, reaching unchartered gen. territory for me. A to your Q: If there is ...

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Recio, I would still not use DF as that would confuse many, alhtough we know that you're refering to Homoz. Opaline (visual male) using DF would make believe all offspring is 100% opaline as it is true for a Dominant mutation only which Opaline is not. We should use DF only for Dominant mutations, n...

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...I believe that an allele of blue can modify the nature of non-fluorescent psittacin to become what we see in emerald... Sounds good,Turquoise already does that in its own way, being an Allele of Blue, we do have to agree with Madas and stick to recessive inheritance being from same locus. Based ...

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Tienie asked me to upload these pics from Chris to go with the above post not sure the order of the pics Blue DF Harlequin Saddleback http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/1%20%285%29.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/1-africa%20122.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/2012%20282.jpg http://parakee...

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Aaah

, you are not paying attention

http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... ic#p109191

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Ringo nice bird. its a turq emerald blue. Ringo a question for you... how is it possible for a parblue(emerald) that already evolved on its own allele to now show psittacins patches over and above its complete parblue composition. I refer to Willys(non turquoise) patched emeralds. To me this is not...

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Molossus, Emerald based on what has been bred thus far i say Recessive to Wildtype. As far as Emerald being Parblue data thus far tells us that it is so, at least the way it is being interpreted. Looking at Aaron's pic of the Green/Emerald there is no visual evidence of Emerald However, I would not ...

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Madas, Parents of the bird? My initial thought was a grey green pied. I have a Violet Turquoise (Blue or Homoz) Pied hen, back she is mostly strong yellow on back/wings but i have to say it is yellower than a SB but it is not the same and nowhere near as nice. Front view in my case shows clearly the...

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My TurquoiseBlues that have a saddle At fledging they had the normal green on the wings etc, as any turquoise does Correction: 6 months old, the saddle appeared and increased within the next couple of months 2 siblings below: http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/turqqsml.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/turqs...

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I'll go 1st

The pied: If emerald proves to be a dominant to green mutation & not a Parblue then it is possible.
I'm still on the belief that Emerald is Parblue though, (i hope i'm wrong ) it'd be much cooler if it was something else.
CT bird: as per email.

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It may be a NT violet ("deep") combined with cobalt. I'll go with Johan on the young one (Madas i think said the same) It's missing the purplish tinge of US Violet EU Cobalt. and color seems "cloudy" unlike normal violet would. However if a Melanistic mutation exists (as suggest...

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Regarding Emerald <=> Parblue

J F has paired this year a Green/Blue Cleartail X DF Emerald poss split CT hen

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Thanks Madas & Bob for the info/pics. Recio, where are you? Looking at the 3 pieds non of them look the same, all 3 have different amount of yellow/green saddle, do you know the sexes of the offspring? could it be influenced by the structurals? LtoR Violet Parblue Pied, Cobalt Parblue Pied, ParB...

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Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission. So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more. madas Any Edged or Opalin...

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Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission. So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more. madas Any Edged or Opalin...

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Yes that's correct. If a Pallid is bred from them, he is split Pallid.

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Peter,

Do you have front view pics?

Thanks

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Nicely done Madas!

Can you showcase the birds as well?

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Hi, Lime is not a mutation & is probably referred to many light yellow-green, mint looking birds like cinnamon or & pallid etc. 1.0 grey(sf) blue cinnamon /pallid x 0.1 green /blue Males 12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon 12.5% ...

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Sounds exciting, must give you a sense of relief and pleasure seeing the 2 rascals happy

post some pics

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Ups. Sorry. Already resolved. Haven't seen. An extract of the 2nd pic was posted by Willy some months (years???) ago labeled left deep right dark. So all you have to do for the first pic is compare the tail feathers (mostly color and length). :P madas I remember it. Even if it was labeled so, i hav...

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Kappa, Not sure, My guess is that it is a DF? Green Deep from Jack Smith, his aviaries had the chicken wire setup & he used flash on some other pics i seen from him. and on green birds flash/night time does seem to make them look "rustier" in color even for normal greens. Regarding Phe...

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molossus wrote:Kappa all three are Deeps.

that would not be a fair contest if we had no Cobalts

did Snake get it right in his 1st post

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Kappa
This should be the pic you're after.

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Kappa, It can happen for sure. an unsuspected blue misty paired to a deep blue would throw everyone off. Is it likely?? Firstly we need to pin down Blue Misty in Oz. I have acquired a "Violet Misty" cobaltish looking bird. I paired him to a Blue series hen if indeed is carrying Misty i sho...

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( you're going to like this Ben) misty birds

Love it
I will post something on this later

Re: Puzzle

2nd pic L2R

Orange peel on a hook

Dark, Deep, Deep
Based on what?
The dark/black flights of Cobalt & Deep's dark green&blue

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It looks to be a hen

Also males get their neckring around 2-3 years of age, yours does not have 1.

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Hi Martin, Welcome to the forum & Thanks for taking the time to unvail the history behind the deeps. Much appreciated. It is always good to know how a new mutation came about and a good example how other mutations can appear and be lost just as quick if breeders do not observe and work with the ...

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Willy Said : For what its worth, I checked my records and the lighter of the Deep Blue cocks in front in the 1st image was the only Deep I have sourced from Martin. Unfortunately I find myself with no Green series bird to pair it with so that will have to wait. I do have a Deep Blue hen bred from th...

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