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by madas
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline or just normal?
Replies: 2
Views: 1545

Re: Opaline or just normal?

Here are the pics:

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by madas
Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:14 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Albino with caramel neck ring
Replies: 6
Views: 2470

Re: Albino with caramel neck ring

Just going back in time to birds that where breed some time ago that I haven't seen around anymore and trying to work out there genetic make up. Had a coversation with an old time breeder about albino cock birds displaying a caramel coloured neck ring that he breed some fifteen odd years ago. He co...
by madas
Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline or just normal?
Replies: 2
Views: 1545

Re: Opaline or just normal?

Try a pic hoster and post the links or simply send them to my mail:

mada_s(at)ymail.com
by madas
Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: picture mauve whitetail + violet mauve cleartail
Replies: 6
Views: 3159

Re: picture mauve whitetail + violet mauve cleartail

1,0 cleartail dark(df) violet(ef) blue (cleartail mauve violet):

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by madas
Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 4596

Re: What is it?

It was the tail, the black stripe seen in pic 2 that made me do it. :P my initial reaction : is this a Harlequin CT? not my bird. Here's another tail's tail http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/aza.jpg Can't be harlequin ct because of the dark main flights and the over all body color. But maybe they are spl...
by madas
Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 4596

Re: What is it?

Ring0Neck wrote:Turquoise grey cleartail hen it is.

An Indigo would not have as much psittacine/yellow esp. in head area of a young hen.
And thats all? So why the riddle? :shock:
by madas
Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 4596

Re: What is it?

Looks like a cleartail turq grey with a strange marked tail. :D
by madas
Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

Recio, True, if breeder is certain that none of the parents of the fathers carried opaline. Secondly, i have never seen an Ino-Opaline & my thought is that it could be an allelic interaction between the 2 just like pallidino. Possibly giving us InoOpaline= pallid lookalike? has anyone bred an i...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:57 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

Here is the other family:

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greetings.
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:34 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

@Recio: I think SL Edged and cinnamon are linked (btw: we still have no correct info regarding the crossover rate between Sl Edged and Cinnamon). So maybe the youngsters are SL Edged-cinnamon-lutino. But as you know the crossover rate between cinnamon and lutino is very low for a normal green doubl...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:25 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino ... was this male paired to a green series hen? wondering if the opaline grey-green we see in below pic might be from the same parents? Good eyes my friend. ;) The Misty SL Edged(sf) indigoBlue Grey /cinnamon /lutino was paired...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

PS: how is the breeder sure no pallid is involved? Did he test for this by using other pallids, or is he going on "no pallids ever bred out of these birds". Because one of the fathers is for sure split for lutino so can't be split for pallid. The other is possible split for lutino because...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help with buying new IRN
Replies: 1
Views: 1220

Re: Help with buying new IRN

Hi all.... I'm buying 11 new IRN but need your help please. Can someone give me the new naming on them and advise if it is worth it. 2x Cobalt Lacewing ??? 2x Cobalt Turq 2X Cobalt Rainbow ??? 3x Blue/??? 1x Clearhead fallow 1x Rainbow........ All for R3000? Regardsb i think the new names should re...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

Re: What am i? (again)

They only other option is that they could possibly be fallows. :idea: Why do you say they aren't what they appear? Were they bred from black eyed parents and some of the offspring are male? The offspring looks female to me. Yeah both parents of each pair (two distinct pairs) are black eyed birds fr...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 2891

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Hi Madas, thankyou! so now that we are sure its a Rec. pied, I will have to get it DNA'd if this is actually a female! right? If it is a ADM rec. pied then normally couldn't tell if it is female or male. So a DNA is needed. There is another rec. pied mutation in OZ. Males of this mutation are showi...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 25
Views: 17999

What am i? (again)

Hi, a friend of mine breed three unusual birds this season. From his breeding records they couldn't be what they look like (means Pallid). But see on your own: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img88878j3mxy7f5b.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img89021uft9y3dzp.jpg http://img5.foto...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 2891

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Is a pied cap a give away for recessives? or are there other identifications as well? For ADM rec. pieds males don't get a neckring and following the holly bible of Mr. Bastiaan they should show dark red eyes with translucent iris. But i have learned that this isn't always the case. Even if the bir...
by madas
Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 17123

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Paul, I believe I have pictures illustrating exactly what you are talking about. The two birds in question are cobalt turquoiseblue, and the second cobalt indigoblue. The colour of the foreheads clearly illustrates the "different greens". I'd love to see these two birds in ino to compare ...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 2126

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

this bird NSLino to a bleu whwt bird what can i breed depends on the makeup of the cleartail blue. If she is split for NSLino as well then you will get the following offspring (lets assume your NSL albino is carrier of one violet factor based on the 12,5% outcome): =================================...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 2126

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

Sorry my first answer wasn't entirely correct. Both parents are visual cleartails so the offspring had to be cleartail as well. But the visual phenotype of the cleartail becomes overlapped by or mixed with the phenotype of NSLino (NSL albino). And to add the birds can be carrier of violet or violet(...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 2126

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

I have breed this yes two white male birds of the combination of violet whwt * violet whwt how is that possible that i can breed two white male Hi Jürgen, you have breed two NSL Albinos. So both parents are at least split for NSLino. In the early years of whwts they were combined with NSLino in the...
by madas
Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?
Replies: 4
Views: 2386

Re: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?

@ Madas ... the father is split Opaline :) . Upsi. Thx for pointing out. ;) So hopefully here are the correct results: 1.0 blue violet(sf) /opaline x 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon % from all 1.0 12.5% 1.0 blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(df) /cinnamon 25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon 12.5% 1....
by madas
Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:26 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?
Replies: 4
Views: 2386

Re: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?

http://www.cbcbirdclub.com/images/misc/01.JPG If you are talking about the bird in the middle (perched) then this bird looks like a opaline violet(DF) blue. But i must add it has a touch of cinnamon as well. But this bird can't be cinnamon opaline unless the father is split for cinnamon as well. He...
by madas
Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

update: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8903ueyxjzokf4.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8895ai63r1ygj5.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8893mbouegq25s.jpg Still unsure regarding the green bird. :( Maybe this version is helping: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploa...
by madas
Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Well, the topic is "What am I?" I'm going with pastel fischeri! :D I stopped breeding agapornis in 2000. Had to sell my collection to pay for my studies. Every now and then I think to myself, maybe I should throw 2 or 3 pairs in my IRN communal aviary for youngsters. The fischeri do have ...
by madas
Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Johan S wrote: Spoken like a true personatus and fischeri breeder!
I am breeding personatus and fischeris too. ;)

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by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:33 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
Very interesting. Pity we don't have any green series opaline. :(
So breed one. :P You know it is always a better choice to pair a green series to a blue series bird. ;)
by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:32 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Emerald%20mutation/IMG_2775_zps0989dfdb.jpg http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Emerald%20mutation/IMG_2772_zps4f6724f6.jpg A side note: Are both birds of the same sub-species? The first looks like eupatria eupatria and the second li...
by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

The three alleles of the ABO gene are identified as IA, IB, and i, and the four blood groups are phenotypes produced by different combinations of these alleles. On the basis of genotype–phenotype (i.e., blood type) correlation, geneticists have concluded that IA and IB have complete dominance over ...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:36 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Ring0Neck wrote: I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male
Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen
:D
Yeap regarding the sex this is my guess too. But don't tell you why (for now)? :P
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:09 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Ring0Neck wrote: So the blue series did not have the triangle?
I didn't noticed one. :(

What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove.

madas
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:15 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Nicely Done ! The green series bird has a whiter down. Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down? Yeap thx i will forward it to the parents. :) Correct the green bird shows white downs. But both are opaline. ;) And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish ski...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:04 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 8113

Re: What am i?

Second clutch of opaline:

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by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Madas et al A most interesting debate for me and I won't attempt to expand on the genetic theory other than to agree with you but I would like to say a couple of things about relevant breeding results. I have been breeding EmeraldBlue Cleartails and, as far as I can see, the emerald gene appears...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Madas hi, I do not see any reason why , if dominant and recessive alleles reside in the same loci in mammals , it cannot recur in birds. Lee please re-read my last post. The example for mammals which Johan posted was simply not correct regarding our discussion of emerald be dominant and parblue. Th...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

For the sake of simplicity, we usually teach genetics using examples with only two possible alleles (A and a). But a single gene can actually have many possible alleles (A, a, A1, A2, A', etc.). For example, hair color in mice is determined by a single gene with a series of alleles, each resulting ...
by madas
Sat May 31, 2014 3:04 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Almost all alleles of a locus that we know in aviculture interact the same to the wildtype (consider the SLino-locus with 3 alleles, bl-locus with 3 to possible 5+ alleles and the a-locus with 3 alleles). But this doesn't have to be the case. It simply means that blue and parblue can be recessive t...
by madas
Sat May 31, 2014 4:35 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Ring0Neck wrote: (If Emerald is= Parblue2@B1 then we would breed B1B2, B2B2 & B1B1 birds and phenotype proximity of say 98% pritty much similar looking blue birds phenotype.)
But i have my doubts that the B1B2 would be a "blue" looking birds. :)
by madas
Thu May 29, 2014 2:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 5287

Re: Opaline comparison

Recio wrote: add Blue Opaline
Have no opaline blue birds.
by madas
Thu May 29, 2014 2:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 5287

Re: Opaline comparison

It seems that the "width" of the refringent feather pattern is lower when structural mutations are present but there is only one example of Green Opaline to compare. Could you confirm? Hi Recio, well spotted. :D But it's only true for males as i noticed in my aviaries. :( The opaline viol...
by madas
Wed May 28, 2014 12:11 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Johan S wrote: So different alleles at the same locus shows a different mode of inheritance.
Isn't possible for my knowledge. All alleles of one and the same locus share the same inheritance.

madas
by madas
Mon May 26, 2014 3:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Mad Max wrote: How can turquoise be dominant if there are breeding resaults (In my own cages ) of two non turquoise birds giving offspring that are turquoise .
counter question:

Are these two birds green series birds? Means green body color?

madas
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 7:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 98
Views: 117303

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Very hard to give an informed opinion when you have had very limited breeding experience to date with emerald. From what has been put forward by Mike in particular, I have a very strong leaning to partial/co dominant mutation .. recessive to green and dominant over blue as you put in your question....
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 7:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

it must be a "blue series" bird because the tail and main flights are white. This is not the case for a "greygreen". :D madas Could be the effect of the Harlequin mutation. :wink: Deon Oh come on Deon. Any region affected by a pied mutation changes green to yellow and blue to wh...
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 3:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Deon Smith wrote:But this cannot be. Can this be a Grey TurqTurq Harlequin?


Deon
Yeah could be Grey Turq(homozyguos) Harlequin. Unfortunately i have no infos on the parents. I only got the pics label grey turq dom. pied. So could be turq or turqBlue.

madas
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 3:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Not turqBlue Harlequin but Grey turqBlue Harlequin. two distinct birds as you can see. Madas this must be a Greygreen TurqBlue Harlequin, given the wide, even distribution of psittacins in its base coloration. Deon Hi Deon, it must be a "blue series" bird because the tail and main flights...
by madas
Sat May 24, 2014 2:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

I have yet to see a TurquoiseBlue Harlequin that match this closely. Not turqBlue Harlequin but Grey turqBlue Harlequin. two distinct birds as you can see. http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/10295926248662atsw1uckvn.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/10014913248662hs7j5not1d.jpg http://...
by madas
Wed May 21, 2014 10:44 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 9857

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Thank you Johan, this is what I was seeking. What is your observation, in these saddle types, of the presence of parblue coloration while till in the nest, and its evolution further on? Deon Hi Deon, for the "Europe type" the youngsters show only some spots of green on the wing coverts th...
by madas
Mon May 19, 2014 5:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Deon Smith wrote: I have yet to see a TurquoiseBlue Harlequin that match this closely.
I think Ben already breed such a bird and another breeder in your country too. :D
by madas
Fri May 16, 2014 2:11 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 26
Views: 10172

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Hi Deon, the one on the right doesn't look like a "cobalt violet". Could be a "deep" df. Attached pic of a "cobalt violet" breed by a friend. Parents cobalt x indigo violet. http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img7347ohigc2y140.jpg I think this bird is resembling the...