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I had the same idea that you have just developped... but it is not true. A Cinnamon-SL-Ino combo shows an increase in melanin (brown melanin) quantity respective to the amount of residual melanin (black melanin) present in a SL-Ino bird. This is due to a feedback effect on melanin synthesis. This w...

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Hm, but even a pallidIno is lighter in phenotype which is a combo of two alleles from the same locus and is expressing a blended phenotype of both mutations. So i would have assumed that a combo cinnamon and ino which aren't alleles of the same locus but closely linked would express the same color ...

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Johan S wrote:Thanks Ben. Unfortunately, these ones are already too old for what I want to see.

May i ask: what do you wanted to see? ;)

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Johan S wrote:Madas, you are right. I didn't think that through properly.

No problem.

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Madas, if I recall, this bird of Tienie was test bred to confirm genotype. I don't recall the details, but Tienie can confirm. Hm, but even a pallidIno is lighter in phenotype which is a combo of two alleles from the same locus and is expressing a blended phenotype of both mutations. So i would hav...

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Looks like a turqBlue.

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Thx for the pic Tienie but this bird still looks to dark for being a cinnamon-ino in my eyes. Do you have a side by side pic with a pallid green to compare both?

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Recio I bred and own a cinnamon-ino/blue female and her change in phenotype from birth to maturity is spot on as decribed by Johan. I understand your point about the presence of the dark factor but my hen display a light head almost like a pallid. How old is the cinn-ino chf hen and will her body c...

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Cin-SL-Ino Violet Clearhead Fallow, IndigoBlue SL-Ino and a Green Cinnamon Violet Clearhead Fallow http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/jrecio99/P8281042_zps12aa1a9d.jpg Are you sure the bird on the right is a cinnamon chf violetgreen? Can't see any marker for chf beside the light head. But thi...

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Recio, Cinnamon-SLIno birds are born as ino's. It is only as they mature that the light green shade starts coming through. Hi Johan, This is the classic description, but I could see my bird was a Cinnamon-SLIno from feathering in the nest. As I wrote, probably this is due to the presence of Violet ...

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If we go with a SL Edged-Cinnamon female (crossed over, different mutations), I'd still pair her to a cinnamon cock. You will breed (2nd) crossed over cinnamon males, canceling the crossing over. Not many, but it can/will happen eventually. The male offspring should be homozygous cinnamon. If the f...

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Thanks Madas, My entire German vocabulary consists of "nein" and Google Translate had issues translating the sites so I was dependent on "reading" the pictures. But it does look like it could be a solution for me if I can find a South African stockist and convince my bank manage...

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Madas Thanks for the reply. An infrared camera would indeed be a great aid (I might dare say an invaluable aid in my case). How do they work? Are they available in South Africa and if so at what cost? The nest-box the female chose has an entrance hole (obviously, duh to myself) and an inspection ha...

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Hi Wessel, incubation takes around 23 days +/- 2 counted from the third laid egg. After the youngsters hatched it takes around 7 weeks until they leaves the nestbox. Checking the nestbox once or twice a week is ok and the female isn't abandoning the clutch then. For people with mobility issues like ...

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Ring0Neck wrote: but we have cinnamon edged hens (or are they?)

That's the billion dollar question.

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2) I have a hard time accepting that the specialist SL Edged / cinnamon / misty combo European breeders would have missed allelic interaction over the 10+ years they've been at it. Most of them even missed the SL incomplete dominante inheritance of Edged before the last 2-3 years. :) Some of them i...

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Recio, Would this be the expected results for below pair if different allèles of the same mutation? ================================================= 1,0 cinnamon Edged x 0,1 cinnamon ================================================= 1,0 50% cinnamonEdged 1,0 50% cinnamon cinnamon -----------------...

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Please let us think about it some days. Isn't a thinking of 5 mins or so.

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If I have a pallid female and bred with a blue male which is not visible and is not split to pallid, I will have NO visable pallids, however all males will be split correct? Though, if I had a visable pallid male and bred with a blue female, all females will be visable pallid and all males will be ...

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Recio wrote:confirmation from Intel

Thought Intel is making computer CPUs. Are they dealing with birds genetic too?

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For me the feets look cinnamon but not sure too. So is there a chance that a combo of dom. pied and cinnamon could cause a translucent iris?

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Here are some news pics from Chris of a special "saddleback" with red eyes and no visible iris. This bird was discussed earlier but couldn't find the exact thread. At that time Chris had the opinion it is due to the effects of a flash or an effect of the photography but he couldn't confirm...

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@Todd: please have a look at http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 68#p120011

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Hi Madas; 1. About nails colour: it mainly depends on melanin content and much less on structural changes. The bird showing black nails, also show a darker skin and a greener belly than the one showing ligth nails. These findings point to a different level in melanin content between both birds. You...

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In the past budgi breeders said that Cinnamon should be avoided in their breeding programs because even split birds were one step ligther than pure birds. And this is my assumption too. So i am saying that mostly 95% of the so called SL Edged(df)-Cinnamons or SL Edged(sf)-Cinnamons are in real only...

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Sorry i left one part "Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males and non mutated females " So the expected results for a sex-linked mutation. Madas, I do not agree. I guess you have misread yourself because this is a matter you perfectly know. Yo...

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... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Edit: removed the nonsense and corrected the rest. Even the quote above is nonsense regarding a sex-linked rec. mutation Maybe the lighter "cinnamon" is a pastel (same mutation which Tienie is pla...

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I added different angles if that helps Bird 2 http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/001_zpsbd5e8d4e.jpg http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/005_zps7265b6b5.jpg Bird 3 http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/045_zps84bbaced.jpg http://i1357.photobucket...

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Hi, and another mystery "Pallid" from a friend of mine out of indigo violet cobalt x indigo: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img080619zxkv8ect.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/unbekanntjmhk3od8yn.jpg Until this season no pallids were breed from her parents and her grandp...

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Coastal-Birds wrote: I am told that it is Martin that has these birds ,but a photo of the green one similar to mine with wing open would be good to see and see if bleaching is there also.

Nope. The breeder is Antonio Martins from Germany. I think he is on facbook if you use it.

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Hi Madas,long time since ive chatted to you or anyone on here. Your link takes me to the so called Fusi page and all of these birds have what look like are SL Edge. My bird does not have these bleached wing feathers. And if this is only a new mutation in Germany how can it be here in Australia ? Th...

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http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=18667

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Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)? Nope. The bird on the rig...

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Ring0Neck wrote: Back on the main subject, see pic below of Phil's Pied opaline which correlates to the last 2 birds in our topic pic (just add emerald)

For the second from the right i agree. The head looks steps darker like for the birds in the pic on Chris website.

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Update:

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Johan S wrote:

Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers???

opaline grey:

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Recio wrote: Do you know if this specific parrot showing an effect of Opaline on psittacin expresssion and being able to hybridaze with IRN exist?

Maybe a plumhead???

But what is wrong with the IRN opaline mutation? It shows all features to be classified as opaline. Or did i missed something???

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adding another Parblue to emerald is going to make the bird greener not yellower. But only in regions of the body which haven't lost the melanins. :D So take the cleartail mutation in combination with parblue. The higher the "green" level the yellower the melanin free regions like belly o...

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Pity German is a so complicated language!!! Even for natives. :D The information in this web site is very important and I guess it comes from an international publication, very probably itself written in English. Could we acces the original report? Hm, don't know if there is an original? The pics o...

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and a cinnamon green as well.

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@Madas: where did you pick that Misty acts on eumelanins? http://az-agz-farben-genetik.jimdo.com/def-misty/ Attached a pic of a cinnamon blue male. The body color looks grey as well. :) Now add Misty in ef or df. How will such a bird look like??? http://www.halsbandsittichmutationen.de/irn_ilyck_de...

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Pic below shows feet and upper and lower mandible http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/SheyDock/2ce51a14-599b-4734-b576-cea0f6f6fa8c_zpsfbaf1dfb.jpg On my PC excatly this pic is showing a cinnamon blue bird with a Misty grey overlay. :( (blue all over the body) ??? If you take the pipette tool o...

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In this specific case I would bet that the bird is carrying as split a mutation acting primarily on feather structure and producing a clearhead by secondary decreasing melanin content (Clearhead Fallow, Cleartail, ???). Could we know the parents and grandparents of this bird? Don't agree with you. ...

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Molossus2 wrote:not cinnamon

The bird in question? For sure he is a cinnamon. Feets, beak, quills are matching.

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Hmm.. My personal experience and studying of Greys is limited since I haven't owned any before this year. I have heard others who say their normal Greys can have a blue through their heads at certain angles and lights- similar to what I have heard for some Dark Blue Greys. -to me he (his head) only...

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It's like saying an English man married a French woman and they have 6 Chinese kids Could be possible if both parents have gooks. :D The origin isn't always telling the exact appearance of a human. The opposite way could fit even better: "It's like saying a Chinese man married a Japanese woman...

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sheyd wrote: He has bred both Blue and Grey chicks I was told. - so heterozygous for grey

You were told but haven't proved it by your own, right? So do you really think that a "grey" bird can show a blue head and blue rump???

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Hm, i could be wrong but is this the same bird?

For me the bird is showing a blue head and rump. With the grey overlay the bird has to carry at least one Misty gen (i would say two).

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Hi Glenn, I have bred a number of these birds that acquire the caramel neck ring in the cocks back in the late 1990's. They were very attractive birds and like many things in the mutations of ringnecks not given much attention at the time. Fortunately I have a friend close by that still has one of ...

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Sheyd, I thought that would be the case. I have a pair set up which I believe are both df violetbluecobalts, one I breed and another I bought as a violetcobalt but it is too dark and rich in colour for a df violetblue. Time will tell, both very compatible and currently working the box. Do you have ...

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