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This is an image of one of Chris' EmeraldTurquoise showing some patching from the Turquoise

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Just a thought but could the TurquoiseEmerald hen in fact be an IndigoEmerald? Indigo can be hard to see. There are pics on Chris Whipp's site which show an EmeraldTurquoise that is slightly patchy.

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Those birds are fabulous Mike, you are far further along with the CHCTs, now you need to get Deep in there as well for some truly dark blue birds. Good stuff, great images, they speak better than words.

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That Dark Violet CHCT (no Emerald?) is awesome in that image. When I first got a Blue CHCT I could see that the blue was darker than on a straight Blue. This seems compounded with the structural mutations. I have a DF Violet TurquoiseBlue CHCT and I wonder how you could get darker flights.

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This is something which needed an answer and Ron has provided the proof. From a Deep Dark Blue x Blue pairing he has bred another Deep Dark Blue proving they are not alleles. If all he had bred were Deep Blues or Dark Blues that would indicate that they were alleles, and further breeding would have ...

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Hi Molossus, I have long suspected Deep and Azure may be the same. The only way to tell is to breed the DF Azure and then we exchange some tail feathers to compare. Surely this has been asked directly of Babu whether he has bred the DF Azure?

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that is probably how this one was taken also. They are nice birds but not that nice, that's the pity. [URL=http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/Trabots/media/Trabots%20IRNs/10FromEmail_DFViolet-290x200.jpg.html][img]http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/Trabots%20IRNs/10FromEmail_DFViolet-29...

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Ben, the image looks fiddled, the skin is red and it sure looks like a violet head and tail feather shafts etc. My apologies if not.

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From a pair of Deep Blue x Deep Violet TurquoiseBlue, this is the clutch. The bird at 12 o'clock is what I believe is a DF Deep Violet TurqoiseBlue. The Turquoise does confuse things so I qualify this until they can be directly compared with known birds and preferably after their first moult in a co...

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Are CHCT birds strong enough to pair colour to colour? Is that why the price of split CHCTs are so low?

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Lindred, Pallid is the name of a mutation, as are Turquoise and Blue. The names often bear no relationship to what you see, as when combined with other mutations the original colour is altered, sometimes significantly. 'Lacewing' and 'rainbow' are names thought up by sellers wanting a saleable name ...

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airheaditis

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The Grey TurquoiseBlue also has clear feet

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No flash, in my mind the image is bad. I took it quickly just to show the 4 possible outcomes in one nest. The bird on the right has to be a Deep Cobalt but being my first I thought it would be darker.

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I have a clutch which matches the predicted outcomes although to confirm which is which may need some comparisons with my tail feather collection when they fledge. Images of Dark DF Violet Blues showing grey colouration leads me to suspect the 3rd bird from the left is the first Deep Dark Violet Blu...

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That would do it, EmeraldTurquoise Pied x Blue. We know the difference between EmeraldBlue and TurquoiseBlue whether Pied or not. I sure wish someone could do this earlier however. Chris and the other breeders I contacted who I knew had EmeraldTurquoise birds, just didn't grasp the importance of pai...

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Tienie, on having another look, one Pied has a yellow face compared to the green face of the Pied to its left. Either that is an EmeraldTurquoise Pied or the other one is. My guess is the former, as like a df Parblue there should be more psitticins in the heteroallele, EmeraldTurquoise than the Emer...

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This is my guess. Unless I have erred this is the outcome for a Violet TurquoiseBlue x EmeraldBlue Pied and the young shown can all be found on this list. The outcome percentages obviously haven't been met by this single clutch but nothing unusual about that. 3 EmeraldBlue Pieds, 1 Violet Blue, 1 Vi...

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we've been saying this repeatedly for months Hi Johan, I myself offered this test on 17 April 2013 in this thread. What we disagreed on was the number of 'Emerald' x Green /Blue pairings that had already been done. Last year I was confident that this breeding had already been done, this year I am n...

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Thanks Recio, you are right and therefore that last scenario won't work because we would have no way of telling the difference between an Emerald TurquoiseBlue and an EmeraldTurquoise.

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Willy I suppose any green type(normal,D,Violet green)/blue can be trialled. Lets see of this season proves the genetic makeup of the Emerald mutation. Cheers Molussus, using a Violet Green /Blue and such would confuse the search for a second Green phenotype indicating the SF Emerald Green has been ...

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this is forum is a learning platform not for self righteous crusaders. . You won't teach anybody anything if they don't know what you are talking about. The names we use and refer to were in the large coined by the budgerigar fraternity over the past century. Those mutations are the same in all par...

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I am posting this with the fear that I have overlooked something very simple but here goes. Let us assume that Emerald is incomplete dominant. I will call these birds 'Emerald'. To get the outcomes which are being observed then 'Emeralds' have to be Blue series or SF Emerald Blues. If 'Emeralds' wer...

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What is wrong with just being a birdo. IRN Vic, your website http://www.indianringneckvic.com/parblueexperience2012.htm with your thoughts and ideas about Parblues in IRNs is quite contrary to your being "just being a birdo". Having said that I approve wholeheartedly with your efforts to ...

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It is not that I object to the name, call it want you want. What I object to is being corrected for using a description of a morph by someone that hasn't taken the time or had the decency to digest this blog in it's entirety. Hence the further comment in regard to test mating emerald/turquiose when...

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trabots I disagree on all points stated in this post as I do with regard to a lot of your comments ringoneck I stand by my comment re indigo aqua variant. IRN Vic, 1st point: Bastiaan and Martin and Smith and Mutavi and the International Naming System use Aqua to name the mutation in IRNs we call E...

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My guess is the bird on the right of your top pic is turq blue the other is what I consider to be typical indigo aqua variant Aqua is the official name for Emerald which is not involved in this pairing. From the image of 4 in the bucket I can see 4 Parblues. They will either be IndigoBlue or Turquo...

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Actually Cobalt is a Dark Blue by definition so one Dark gene and two Blue genes, shaken not stirred ..........

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My bad, the cock is a Blue Pallid and the hen is a Pallid /Blue based on re-reading all of the responses.

Blue Pallid x Green Pallid /Blue

50% Blue Pallids cocks and hens

50% Green Pallids /Blue cocks and hens

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PS: the red lower mandible is not unusual and I have often seen black or red in the same mutation.

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Skyes, I have had a couple of IRNs of different mutations which have a 'black' eye unrelated to the mutation. You won't see the pupil in such an eye. The bird is a normal green IRN with a 'black' eye which cause is yet to be determined. Good on you for pusshing for an answer. We humans are an apathe...

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Unless the hen is split for Blue all babies will be Green. I would find a split CHCT hen to go with your Blue CHCT. Pallid can be nice in Green series birds as evidenced by the hen you have however Blue series Pallids are very pale.

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Blue CHCT x Pallid =

Green /CHCT / Pallid /Blue cocks

Green / CHCT /Blue hens

not a good pairing

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I have uploaded a selection of mutant lorikeets that I used to own. http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/Trabots/library/Trabots%20lorikeets?sort=3&page=1 [URL=http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/Trabots/media/Trabots%20lorikeets/Fallowcock32.jpg.html][img]http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Tra...

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Grey Green, Khaki and looks like 4 Fallows

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Violet IndigoBlue assuming some maturity

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These are from Ron, they were Jack Smith's including the original Deep Green, the young bird is compared to 2 normals in the nest. [URL=http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/Trabots/media/Trabots%20images/DeepGreen1.jpg.html][img]http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/Trabots%20images/DeepGree...

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except he keeps getting in front of her, instead of behind and on top of her I have a male Galah who has a Sun Conure who dotes on him non-stop and has so for the past 10 years. Did you know that New World parrots are 4 feet on the perch while copulating? Old World parrots are 2 footers, having the...

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In The Air, the bike wheels work a treat however the only ones I can get to ride a vertical wheel are lorikeets and my Sulpher Crest. The wheel should never be horizontal, you want gravity to help it turn. In the vertical wheel only the cockatoo has worked out how the duck his head in when going dow...

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Why the 15 digit password requiring numerical, alphabetical in upper and lower case, and punctuation symbols? Will our money really be safe??

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Young IRN can behave as male or as female independtly of their real sex, and this till they reach sexual maturity. I flock my 100 odd IRNs after breeding. Many revert to old same sex partners at this time. Some male pairs copulate, both same sex pairs feed each other. Some males get around in trios...

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feather in the cap for the Emerald pieds, emerald violets and emerald violet greens

So with Emerald Violet Greens have we proven that Emerald is dominant?? What were the parents? Pics?

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Ringo I have never believed the theory of the existence of male Pallidinos only. Both Ino and Pallid are sex-linked mutations. The hen in these mutations only has one active gene possible at that locus. Being alleles a hen can only be one or the other or wildtype. Cocks can have a Pallid and an Ino...

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Does this mean the good stuff will no longer appear on this forum??

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if grey completely destroys the structure how is it then possible that the cobalt grey displays blue on grey? which gives reasoning to my questions earlier? Many years ago I argued with Terry about the total destruction of the cloudy layer or not, by Grey. I had noticed that my Grey Green rainbow l...

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This is a great subject i can learn from... Willy, if they were to test a feather from an emerald greyblue, would they still find spongy zone completely destroyed in that feather? I pointed out with the image of the Violet Mauve that Violet somehow impedes the destruction of the cloudy layer. One c...

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After reading the quote again, it is consistent. Inte is only looking at the relative thickness of the spongy zone and is not actually looking inside it. I presume when you say he found the Grey "completely destroys the feather structure in the spongy zone" he was actually saying there was...

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What Inte found was that the grey mutation completely destroys the feather structure in the spongy zone, the dark mutation altered the feather structure by reducing the width of the spongy zone (this is still a macroscopic change in the micrometer range), but the violet factor had no macroscopic ch...

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Further to this, Dark unlike Violet and Deep is a structure destroying mutation as evidenced in the Mauve or DF Dark Blue in which the feather structure is nearly all destroyed. That is why I distinguish 'grey' as a perceived colour of most darkened Blue birds in certain light situations and 'mauve'...

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