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Johan The youngster is a new acquisition from Hans Meyer's collection, I acquired it to try and strengthen my own gene pool's melanistic factor and deep gene. On close observation, she appears to have a violet sheen to the body but with cobalt-like wings , I cannot capture this. Doc, my Ntviolet co...

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Hi guys I want to share this image with you and invite opinions on the genotype of the 3 year old. She cannot be DF Violet. Does Violet Deep (Cobalt) really produce such as rich, intense colour Please view the image below. On the right is a 2013 Cobalt Violet hen, and the left shows her aunt of 3 y...

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This is really interesting. I'm not a colony breeder and keep my pairs separate, but please keep posting your observations. There is little info about colony breeding available.

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If so, it makes sense. Seldomly breeders would hold back say a normal blue nowadays, but sell it off before the 1st year moult, meaning they sell it off before parblue manifests itself. As Chris & Bob said "some kind of Parblue", it sure is different as it only manifests much later as...

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Thanks for confirming, Madas.

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samb05 wrote:2nd Pic Dark, Deep, Dark

My guess too.

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My old settle couples are very active. But the newer couples don't even have nests yet. No rush, lots of time.

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Hi Martin, welcome to the forum. I hope you will enjoy the interaction and discussions. :D Thanks for the very informative post. I'll have to read it again to allow everything to sink in. While I do that, what are your thoughts on the birds commonly known in SA as Nico Theunissen violets, which many...

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Being patient is so hard!

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My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks. So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend...

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Hi Ben, What do you reckon, anything in this? For those who aren't aware theses are photos of Ron's deep green juvenile and a NT violet green from SA, Johan's bird. Hi Kappa, not my bird. I only took the picture. :) The 2 clear traits in the green series birds in SA is 1) the bird's body colour loo...

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Lee, I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. That makes for interesting conversation. :D My point was a very simple one. ... and b) "the prices are in line with imports"? My humble opinion is that something is amiss with b). Unfortunately, even though you mention you disagree with ...

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Lee, I think two things play a role here: 1) This one is on topic; I believe the push in declaring IRN as invasive in SA has caused a lot of damage to the market, esp. since there is still uncertainty as to what the permit system will entail. If it is like cycads, where one needs to keep an updated ...

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Hi Khalid, welcome to the forum. :D In my humble opinion, the hen looks as if edged is involved. However, looking at the cock, that doesn't seem genetically possible, as the cock should be expressing it in single factor. It doesn't look as if he is edged, which means he is carrying a recessive gene,...

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Pastel birds are born with black eyes and the allele bronze fallow with red, but I don't think either of those apply here. My best guess is that it is a strange looking cinnamon, although the flight feathers certainly does look edged. The cock bird doesn't show sl dom. edged traits in my view, unles...

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Sherjil, was the hen born with red or black eyes?

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I've seen talk of this today on Facebook this morning. You guys need to get numbers together urgently. We'll help any way we can.

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Shey, unfortunately, not good ones. This one came out too dark. You can see the difference in the wings, but not very well. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3308_zps69df0291.jpg This one of the NTviolet cobalt compares it to a cobalt turq and came out be...

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My apologies Nigel. And lovely pictures.

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Traceyweller wrote:Last post before I can upload pictures

Ok Tracey, so where are the pics already?

You should have plenty of good ones.

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Ok, birds on the front perch left to right : sfNT Violet sfViolet , df Dark Blues Birds on the far perch: sfViolet sfDark , sfViolet Green, TurquoiseBlue and sfNT Violet Blue. Not a bad attempt. Two changes: front perch is a sf violet sf dark, and back perch is the sf NT violet sf dark for comparis...

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mcw-indianringnecks wrote:The picture of peter smiths bird is emerold violet harlequin not emerold grey harlequin .,

Nobody said it was, Chris. Madas merely pointed out that the Peter Smith bird is close to one of my favourite phenotypes, the grey emerald harlequin.

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sheyd wrote:
RouKaime wrote:I believe it is a violet cobalt cinnamon

to the left is a Violet Cobalt Cinnamon

Maybe your other left, right?

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I've played around with the enhance function provided by photobucket, and this was the results http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/f0335e07-883b-4ad2-b2ab-45f5490f060b_zps8a20072b.jpg It seems to clear the colouring up a bit. I suspect the green background in m...

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When in the nest, take two pictures, one with the flash on and one with the flash off. The flash will change the colour of the misty chicks dramatically.

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And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...

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Unfortunately not.

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Oh, Ok, so the 2nd bird original pic is SF Dark SF NT Violet Blue , i still see that bird very dark to carry only 2 struct. mutations in SF, (using two screens). Make no mistake, the bird is very dark. More so than a good quality violet. It is between SF violet and SF violet SF dark. Maybe this wil...

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hi All I am going to go with the DF Violet , SF violet (although it is very dark) sf Deep violet and a darkgreen violet with the turquoise blue Robert Hi Robert, in the discussion between Madas and myself it was let slip the green bird is a SF violet green. Now work from there and the next hint. :D...

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would anyone have a picture of NT violet Of course. :D Notice the dark body with lighter than expected tail. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_0192NTgreencock_zpsb930485c.jpg Cobalt cock and NT hen (parents of some of the birds in the other topic). These...

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The greyish feet makes me think edged only and no cinnamon, but it is a hard question to answer with absolute certainty.

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And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this:

Madas, there's your riddle.

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So is it the same green series bird as in the other pic? if it isn't dark(sf) violet(sf) green then dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) green. Or is it another riddle? :?: For my eyes to dark or "olivish" to be a normal violet(sf) green. Yes, there are a couple of riddles, but not with this one. Well,...

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No players except Ring0? What a pity. Sure but not always online. :) Some people have to work. :D Left to right: dark(sf) violet(sf) blue, dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) blue, dark(sf) violet(sf) green, dark(df) blue. Not always online? :o Of course you are. :D Have another look at this one: http://i1278.p...

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That pic is fine. I agree with Ben.

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No players except Ring0? What a pity.

Ok Ben, so one stars so far for the mauve. Hint: no other DF mutations present.

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Do you have a picture of an open wing showing the flight feathers in detail?

Also, Saphire is a hen, right?

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Hi all, since the forum is quite, I figured I'd upload a series of photos (starting with one) from some birds carrying structural mutations. As specific birds are discussed, I'll upload additional photos. So, what are we? (Hint: Use the turqblue second to the right as reference) http://i1278.photobu...

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Ok, Ben, so when you say a picture showing 'variation in deep', we could also be looking at two different (but very close) mutations or alleles, and not necessarily variation (like juvenile turquoise expression). :?: The difference of course being, variation is the difference in expression in phenot...

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Spot on Johan :shock: all 4 do. Nice. Gold star for me. :lol: Still don't see it on that violet, though. :oops: So the one in the background is a dom. pied emeraldTurq? I think so, Madas. That beautiful even apple greenish colour in the front made me think emerald is also there. And I think that 's...

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That's a really nice pic. Ben, do you know whether all these birds were bred from a single source, or are they from more than one source? The two darker males are dead ringers for the NT violets this side. The mature cock at the bottom (lighter phenotype) seems different to anything I've run across ...

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If that bird was in SA, I'd go with SF NT violet SF dark. In your case, I'd guess SF deep SF dark.

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Shady hi, Ringo is right in that .. you have to see this from the eye of a person who only knows description and not seen many examples. someone who has not been there and done that ... it is very difficult not to be duped. that is a good example of what selective breeding can achieve.. Ringo now g...

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Ring0Neck wrote:Quiz: How many of these birds carry the emerald gene?

All of them, except possibly the violet. But it is hard to tell from that pic.

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Kappa wrote:Hi Madas,
You're right. Sometimes the imagination can work faster than the brain

+1

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Ben you think misty for everything :lol: Hen looks like a normal Pallid to me. ... Sure i do I bet that i can show you or most other OZ breeders a blue misty as a normal blue & no one will ever pick it as misty. So, how do you expect to see misty in a pallid? what difference do you think a mist...

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Lushen, are you saying that people that take a second language in an SA school can't read that language? What is our education system coming to?

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Johan I might be getting an emerald cinnamon edged hen, if not, at least i'll get some pics you might enjoy. :wink: Now that would be a treat! :D Add to that some contrast, and you get to something like an emerald grey harlequin, one of my favourite phenotypes. :mrgreen: Now we are getting closer t...

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Emerald is best displayed when the melanin is removed (in my opinion), so I find it hard to believe that there isn't more emerald inos around. Ok well, not that hard. People will usually throw their two most expensive mutations together in the hope of breeding something even more valuable. But stil...

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