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been around for a very very very very very long time U forgot one "very" :lol: Yep, guilty as charged! :lol: Johan you are right. So is Recio. Which is why I said that we should start seeing so called newer mutations emerging in our aviaries. This is because of the chances of common /bird...

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Hmm..I thought the American Violet strain was the one that looked 'violet' in sf- obviously not, unless what the eye sees is different to what this camera gives- Thanks for the picture Shey, it is very hard to capture a violet bird in a picture to look violet. They often turn out more blue, esp. wi...

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Another thing about this topic that I have been thinking about often is this: If we see the "same" mutation in various species of parrots (take blue, ino, etc.), it should mean that this mutation should have occurred a very long time ago in a common ancestor. And as this ancestor mutated i...

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Well, that's very interesting. Let's look at the facts evident in the tail feathers: 1) The NT green birds show a tail feather darker than the wildtype (confirmed from original imported hen) 2) The dark green birds show a tail feather darker than the wildtype (common knowledge) 3) The combination of...

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prodigy wrote:Just to set the record straight the bird in the first picture that is claimed to be a SA Deep Blue is actually a Cobalt Deep Blue

Which of the patents carried the dark factor? I understood that it was bred from blue cleartail x NT blue / cleartail. What am I missing?

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Chocobo, I think when talking about 'pastel' as being a half turquoise, the meaning is that it is the indigo morphotype of the parblue series. The real pastel mutation is an allele of the a-locus. This is where NSLino, bronze fallow and dark eyed clear (DEC) is also sitting. That is 4 different muta...

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I prefer to have a second pair of eyes so this will have to wait till April when Johan comes over. Do you have my wife's permission to make statements like that??? :lol: I have just look at my Grey Green Cleartail adult male (3 years) and I am absolutelly sure that Grey does not change uv induced f...

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Johan, You are thinking of the blue color seen in green series birds. OK. However in blue series, those colors you've chosen (Bondi, Teal)would be more like an Emerald phenotype rather then sa deep !? It makes sense for green series though. In blue i would say Denim? of course, you guys know better...

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Hi everyone, I'm bumping this topic again, as to ensure that we don't cause too much confusion between the Oz deep and the SA "deep". A little bit of history, this mutation is not new, and has been known for a number of years locally as a type of violet. Ben, you might recall some of our v...

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Unfortunately the DF was SA Deep Green was sold last week by my breeding partner, so lets start with the basics and i will show the differences with what we have to work with. The technique I am going to briefly explain I use when we are unable to visually tell birds apart with the naked eye , but ...

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prodigy wrote:They are all 2012 birds and of no use to man nor beat at this stage of the game, the MATURE DF birds have been sold into a breading program.

Of course not, pictures of young birds are also nice to look at!

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Unfortunately the DF was SA Deep Green was sold last week by my breeding partner, so lets start with the basics and i will show the differences with what we have to work with. The technique I am going to briefly explain I use when we are unable to visually tell birds apart with the naked eye , but ...

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Johan Thanks, but only because you assited with the lessons. My phone call to you is a lot cheaper compared to other experts Tienie :D That's what you think. I posted the bill this morning... I just hope the Post Office strike ends soon, otherwise you'll never get it. :lol: Pleasure to help. :)

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That is an excellent comparison of SF birds, thanks Tienie! Now we just have to wait for Peter's pic of the SF and DF next to one another.

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Nice birds, Tienie. Welcome to the 'I can now upload pics' club.

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For me the most exciting part is that it allows us to fine tune the phenotype of many mutations, but esp. for what each individual prefers when it comes to a purple looking bird. Some prefer violet(df), some like cobalt violet. Without deep, that is all we can do. With deep, we have many more option...

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Ring0Neck wrote:I would have used "Infatuated" -
... is it that obvious?

I would say I'm infatuated about good red wine. Mutation breeding, however, is much more serious than that!

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prodigy wrote:question answered thank you very much Chocobo !!!

and you Mr up-loader

No worries! That is a hen, though. Still waiting for a mature cock bird, but I don't think they exist yet.

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Ring0Neck wrote:Well, i travelled over 50km to pick this up, for that single reason the nails in the pics shown attracted my attention.

Obsessed I tell you.

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Here is the pic. Beautiful bird!

Johan S

@Madas, I believe that is a perfect example of what Tienie would call the "patchiness" we see in an edged youngster also carrying cinnamon, i.e. edged cinnamon crossover.

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The thing to look out for with the edged mutation in the cocks (SF birds) is the general body colour, which becomes lighter than your normal dark factor birds. Notice how well the hen is edged, yet the cocks don't display it quite as nicely. These are the sons of the cobalt edged hen, so it is the m...

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Peter, I've messaged a lot of people all over the world, but couldn't find a single mature cock yet.

Hope you have better luck, as I'm desperate to see one!

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the SF birds are almost exactly the same as a blue. Then these birds in the pics might be a DF, and might also be a very similar or the same muation as "azure". What makes me doubt this, however, is 1) the numbers of these birds. They are not that rare. 2) Informal verification of the mut...

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Hi Tienie, Post subject: Re: pictures of Deep and Dark Greens? Johan I agree with your statement. There isn’t any difference between Peter’s pics and the birds we own as sf SA “Deep”, but we might be missing trick and only recognize df birds and sf are mistaken as normal birds. I have some spl...

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As a matter of fact yes we do, see both attached DF (remember we all have secret projects) These ones looks just like the pictures of the SF birds I took at your place. And to be honest, considering how close they are to the dark factor, I can not imagine that the DF of this mutation would look lik...

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prodigy wrote:SA Deep !!!!

Do you have pics of the DF of this mutation in green or blue (and no, not the CHF bird)?

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ok hint time :D All 3 birds are out of the same nest Parents are as follows: 1,0 violet ????????? green /blue x 0,1 violet(DF) deep dark blue I have left out the question marks to make it more fun :twisted: P.S.Very close on the second guess You are kidding, right? :shock: When did you import deep?...

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http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/ ... rameri.htm

Enjoy!

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Thanks for the offer Ben. I don't think I'm ready to start yet and I'd definitely want a mobilised and enthusiastic team (such as the one you guys have built here) before I'd contemplate such a thing!... and probably I should finish my PhD thesis too, before launching something like that :) Ellie. ...

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Visible for me as well.

Don't know if the details are perfectly ironed out, but for me the visibility isn't as much an issue, but rather limited or restricted posting privileges.

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Hi all Sad to see that you all wont to break away and start a nother group. Info that has come out on this forum has been great and open To all who like to follow. Q. How do we join this group Hi Kev, that's not at all the idea. :D We simply want to move some of the valuable "new" informa...

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Hi Saud, welcome onboard! Back to the topic: I think we should clarify exactly what we will be doing on the new site. Personally, I do not think that it should conflict with this forum. I have made some good friends that I have met right here, so my feeling is that people should still return here fo...

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Pretty sure the red is blood, hey...

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Thanks ellie now just wonder what color they will be they are from my Dom. Edge turquoise cock x turquoise lacewing hen :) If you breed a SL dom. edged / pallid cock, you should keep it. One day he will produce a SL dom. edged pallid hen, which should be a very interesting combination. :D Molossus ...

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ringneck-genetics.com is a very good domain name (main domain). I would vote for it. Here we should publish finished projects. It should be build from CMS system. Sources could be synced by dropbox or something other. :) A good CMS is zeta-producer unfortunately only in german from Version 11 up. B...

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As for the domain name, seems as if "ringneckgenetics" and "ringneckworld" are still available. Just to get things kicked off.

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We still need clarity on the breeding outcome of a deep dark blue to a blue. Does this pairing breed deep and dark birds exclusively, or are blue and deep blue birds also present in the offspring? My apologies for not noting the age of the post I replied to. As far as proving Deep is not an allele ...

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Recio I'm up for that. I can contribute with domain name, website & hosting it, emails etc. no cost access to upload pics etc to trusted members.... 8 3 IV I'd be very keen on that. :D I've wanted to do it for a very long time, but it is too big a project for a single person to do properly, unl...

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Ring0Neck wrote:What bird is this? It does not say on the website:
http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/w ... irds_1.jpg
Is it dom. edge dilute adm pied?

I stand to be corrected, but I think that is a blue opaline dilute combination.

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Dbl factor deep blues paired to the above with the aim of breeding a dbl factor violet deep blue(dbl factor)cobalt. Hi Molossus, what do you mean with deep blue? Is it a blue bird with a single or double dark factor (i.e. cobalt or mauve), or something different? Although I'm yet to see a bird with...

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I have more than enough SL Edged IRN’s. 3 DF cocks and plenty of sf cock and hens. Combinations with dilute, adm pied, cleartail, clearheaded fallow, cinnamon and opaline already exist. Any suggestions for other combinations are welcome. Tienie, after that list, what is left ??? :lol: Let us stick ...

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Johan I wil have a few dom. edged pairs down this year, mostly with cinnamon colored or split cinn so i can record offspring nrs here. If anyone has any suggestions or ideas what else to pair dom edge with, happy to listen. 8 3 IV Thanks Ben, the cinnamon numbers would help a lot, seeing as if it s...

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I have not found anything conclusive where deep and dark factors were combined in a breeding pair where it can be shown that the mutations are indeed different. Johan, Ron has bred Deep Cobalt his website at http://www.fabulousparrots.com has images. See for yourself, the bird is as dark as any oth...

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One day I would really love to see a picture with a lutino, pallid and platinum hen in it. That would really be interesting to illustrate the difference in melanin percentage/concentration. And of course, on the cock side things can get much trickier, with ino, pallid, platinum, PallidIno, PlatinumI...

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The second pic seems almost like a different bird.

Now the chest area esp. shows the slight brownish wash. Well spotted from the first pic, Tienie!

Youngspud, when you say split ino, do you mean sex-linked ino? You would breed some very nice hens from that.

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Seems to have a red eye, but very pale. I'd also go with blue pallidino. Unless the flash was REALLY bright.

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Ring0Neck wrote:Price was same as a new car back then, so no i did not buy any spangle, i got the car instead... did i make the right choice?

How many babies did the car have to date? Enough said!

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Youngspud wrote:I'm not sure, they are very light grey I think with almost clear nails.

If greyish, I'd stick with dilute.

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Let me guess: he wrote two books about psittacula species. ;) :wink: but it is just as likely to happen in the male offspring, which can only be ID by breeding results. Do you mean the Edged /sex-linked crossover males? Or the Edged-sex-linked males? The last one should be distinguishable too. mada...

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