IndianRingNeck.com

Johan S

After reading the quote again, it is consistent. Inte is only looking at the relative thickness of the spongy zone and is not actually looking inside it. I presume when you say he found the Grey "completely destroys the feather structure in the spongy zone" he was actually saying there wa...

Johan S

This is a great subject i can learn from... Willy, if they were to test a feather from an emerald greyblue, would they still find spongy zone completely destroyed in that feather? I pointed out with the image of the Violet Mauve that Violet somehow impedes the destruction of the cloudy layer. One c...

Johan S

From correspondence with Deon and Recio, it became clear that Inte's research has shown that the known structural mutations actually don't fit along a curve (where one would assume the mutations have the same effect, with only the intensity modified). This was actually initially how I also considere...

Johan S

Thankyou so much for sharing these!- they (yours and mine) do look similar- would a dfViolet look the same? My pleasure! :D And no, these birds are quite a bit "darker" than a violet(df). If you have a violet(df) and mauve next to one another, these birds will fit in somewhere in between....

Johan S

Cobalt violet turquoiseblue vs violet(df). Young birds going into their 3 month moult. Not sure if it will help. Thanks Johan- would you happen to have any pics of your dfViolets, sfDark sfViolet Blues or sfDark dfViolets from the front? Unfortunately, none of the first birds. But here are some mor...

Johan S

Cobalt violet turquoiseblue vs violet(df). Young birds going into their 3 month moult. Not sure if it will help.

Johan S

Sounds about right to me.

Johan S

I think you mean violet is an incomplete dominant mutation. Grey is dominant. :) Skyes, some would actually disagree with your statement, seeing violet as dominant as well with no difference between SF/DF phenotypes. However, I do believe one can see a difference in SF/DF, so I also think it is inc...

Johan S

here he is (with my reg Blue- same bird in avatar) on the afternoon I got him- he is visually purple in real life- not bluish purple, but purple - but doesn't come out that way in his pics from a distance up close though he is more greyish than purple- Shey, I know what you mean with the blueish ph...

Johan S

Shey, contact the seller and ask the very simple question, "did the bird look like the cock it was bred from?" I can assure you that if the breeder paid any attention, he would have noticed if the offspring was the same as the father or notably darker. Irrespective of the light, that diffe...

Johan S

Ring0Neck wrote: i could not resist the urge to get this season the long awaited bird: turq. violet CHF.

That'll be a beauty well worth breeder... I could really use a hen like that.

Johan S

just out of interest ...what is the rarest or most sought after mutation now? :) not a mutation at all but i think it is a plain wildtype green not split for anything (in the context of aviary birds). :D I would bet you will find no such bird. madas Madas, just out of interest, how many such wildty...

Johan S

Hi Robert, none in the green series, I'm afraid. I'm considering pairing one of this line to a green pied in 2014, but that is a long way off. Great to see some interest in green series though! I'm not very pleased about the situation in SA where most breeders look at green and grey series birds in ...

Johan S

Regarding the Deep I think that most here would agree with me to use proper names that we use to identify the deeps: SA Deep or the NT Violet - The SA Deep Deep we recognise as Oz Deep It is a necessity to be specific becuase the 2 mutations are not the same. Ben, this confusion is exactly the reas...

Johan S

Mad Max wrote:It certainly looks Edged . I love the blue , nice and soft blue with white . I want one

Robert, you can add cinnamon to that list as well. Those three mutations have very close phenotypes.

Johan S

Welcome (welkom!) to the forum.

Johan S

Sanzaf1 wrote: i also believe that a reccesive violet cinnamon was bred in belgium

And South Africa. If by recessive cinnamon violet you mean the mutation currently referred to as 'bronze' fallow, which I believe will have to change again.

Johan S

Sorry Johan, I was not aware that you'd seen the bird in person, and that you took the pic yourself :oops: I haven't seen anything quite like that- might be will of those anomalies that we get from time to time- and would be interesting to see if the tail is passed on through offspring. No worries,...

Johan S

Hi Johan, Could you get a pic of the whole tail feathers? ... By the way Johan ... you have most of these feathers ... and the skills to properly and quickly perform the experiment ... Recio, that is the best picture of the tail I have. Unfortunately, more pictures is out of the question, as I stay...

Johan S

Gratz, to my mind this is one of the best reference pictures freely available, courtesy of Tienie. Left to right: Dark green, violet (America) green, Nico Theunissen green (aka SA "deep"; some also refer to it as European violet) Bottom: Wildtype http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y403/ca...

Johan S

if emerald is a parblue mutation the green series young could be split emerald, think about that before you give to petmarket the young green birds. Ben, at the risk of derailing this topic, some questions: 1) Have you ever seen a green / emerald for sale? 2) Have you ever heard or seen an emerald ...

Johan S

Just to throw a spanner in the works, have a look at this tail. The owner and I discussed it at length and he assured me that the old tail of the previous season looked the same.

Johan S

From that picture it looks violet green to me too.

Gratz wrote:the second bird is at a friends place paired up to a emerald dom pied

I agree with Ben, the above should be very interesting. I haven't seen emerald edged yet, but looking forward to it.

Johan S

Thanks Madas, your post clears up all my questions/concerns. I hope Markus plans to put khaki (df) x dark (df) soon. Personally, I have a strange feeling we should be looking at khaki (df) x grey (df) too.

Johan S

blue khaki cocks http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/CAFECBF1-592F-42B3-B802-4AD6431646C1-1756-00000195B18E407E_zps9b93a9ff.jpg blue khaki and df blue khaki http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/262D6340-2BA3-4641-867F-9A816A367B73-1756-00000195BDCEA8A3_zps2c06ad9e.jpg T...

Johan S

thanks for that my dear friend. I am going to try to get some Neem seed to grow these here at home. I would also like some seed/saplings if you manage to track some down, please. I have two large Melia Azedarach on my property, but they are messy trees and I can't stand them. They will be cut down ...

Johan S

These last pictures really remind me of some cobalt violets we have in SA imported from Europe, that to my eyes look different from that darker, yet dullish American violet cobalts. Pictures of the parents would be great when they have passed their molt.

Johan S

Johan- I am thinking that Kappa's Deep Green may be a Misty instead- Is there anyway to try and prove/disprove this before any birds are bred (and proven or not through Blue offspring)? Wouldn't Willy's Deep Blues be displaying Misty characteristics- or are they already? Shey, the best way I know o...

Johan S

Through the loop of getting here something went wrong or the breeder are lying or the quarantine facilities in Oz are infected because the breeder tested the bird with negative results any then sent the bird to quarantine. Procrastinator, this loop you are mentioning; were these birds by any chance...

Johan S

That's a rather heavy topic to begin with your first post. Regardless, welcome to the forum. PBFD is alive and kicking in SA and Europe as well, so I wouldn't necessarily point fingers to imports from Oz only. My opinion on the matter is rather simple: it remains the responsibility of every breeder ...

Johan S

sheyd wrote:He really is beautiful (took more pics today if you're interested) I love his colour.

Please share.

I'm leaning towards deep green too, but would like some more pics.

Johan S

Very interesting, Willy. You don't happen to have a picture of the Rainbows that shows that?

Johan S

I wouldn't be surprised if specifically adm pied leaves traces of it's presence in the phenotype, esp. in SL-ino where we have seen some mutations (cinnamon for example) come through. Yeah but don't Forget that cinnamon and SL ino act on the same chromosom (Z-chromosom) ans SL ino combined with rec...

Johan S

Tienie, you mentioned pied in general, but are you referring to both recessive adm and dominant pied? I wouldn't be surprised if specifically adm pied leaves traces of it's presence in the phenotype, esp. in SL-ino where we have seen some mutations (cinnamon for example) come through. I'd really be ...

Johan S

Skyes, those are a lot of questions! I'll retaliate with some of my own... :lol: It is great that you are close friends with the original breeder. Perhaps you can take some pictures of the parents. Do they share some of the characteristics of your bird? Also, for your bird, are the feet really pink?...

Johan S

There are a couple of things to consider with these birds. Most notably, however, is which strains of dark (European vs SA) and which strains of violet (American vs European) are being compared? That will give sufficient variation that it will become near impossible to compare the birds. That is a ...

Johan S

There are a couple of things to consider with these birds. Most notably, however, is which strains of dark (European vs SA) and which strains of violet (American vs European) are being compared? That will give sufficient variation that it will become near impossible to compare the birds. That is a s...

Johan S

The eye does look dark plum red in one picture. Perhaps a photo taken with a flash could help?

But I agree with Ben on the lower mandible. That would be strange for chf.

Johan S

I'm missing s-thing. Tiennie, Madas, Johan & whoever has edged. I have this mature pair that has bred for about 3 years for another breeder. Pair as i know is: Male: EF Edged DF Parblue/cinn Hen: df parblue grey edged cinnamon With this pair i should not be able to breed any non Edged males , o...

Johan S

Robert, we should be able to sex visually if you can upload a photo. Or send me a PM and you can email it to me for upload.

Johan S

There are hen blue series opaline CT that have been bred and have the blue head, so I thought that would be an indication to its combining effect on the light head colour mutations. Bennjamin, what is the head colour of a normal blue series CT hen without opaline? If unsure, have a look here http:/...

Johan S

sheyd wrote:so, if hens have the same phenotype as df cocks- would a df cock have the same coloured rachis as a hen?

It should. Tienie owns a DF SL edged cock and can hopefully assist with a close-up photo of the the tail with tip included.

Johan S

Recio wrote: the S shape theory of colour expresion

The same curve came up earlier today in a discusison here: http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 995#p96995 What a coincidence!

PS: I'm pretty sure Tienie's SL edged adm pied hen will be split blue.

Johan S

Johan- this one's for you - 0.1sl edged, 1.0wildtype, 1.0sf sl edged -not the best angle for him, but hopefully you can still make out the colour of the Rachis. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/Spiritedsprite/tails_zpsde2375fc.jpg Fantastic stuff, Shey! I'm glad that at least someone else is ...

Johan S

Madas, I agree.

Johan S

Sounded like a character from a Bond movie.

Johan S

Who is M?

Johan S

trabots wrote:So the Opaline CHCT does not have a clear head?

Not the hens. Mature cocks likely will.

Johan S

Will you please ask your friend for some new pics Hopefully those will remove the doubt.

Johan S

Notice the partially obstructed bird at the bottom That is a clue. None of these examples show the well known adm pied cap/crown. Actually, the last pic doesn't show a single adm pied characteristic.

Search found 1215 matches