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Johan S

Emerald is best displayed when the melanin is removed (in my opinion), so I find it hard to believe that there isn't more emerald inos around. Ok well, not that hard. People will usually throw their two most expensive mutations together in the hope of breeding something even more valuable. But still...

Johan S

There is almost no visual effect present. The two mutations do not interact very well and the resulting bird is a 95% dilute lookalike. Those that did the initial experiments were hoping that the head would darken significantly, but it doesn't really happen. About the most distinct feature is the wh...

Johan S

Pro, you can take the horse to the water, but you can not make it drink. No use bashing your head over this.

Johan S

Kappa, that's a good question. I'd go with something like a cobalt violet cleartail. The edging on this bird is well defined, so I reckon it would be wonderful to breed a bird like him, with a clear head and tail. It'll take some time, though.

Johan S

Kappa, there is a bit of talk of these nicer, slightly darker blues over here too. What I'd like to see is what two of these birds produce together. Would a double factor emerge? What would it look like?

Johan S

(paraphrasing here): "and they bred these really dark greens darker than the dark greens" . This, along with the blueish tint on the coverts close to the flights and the lighter blue than a dark green main tail feather, for me, are trademarks of the NT violet. The one remarkable thing for...

Johan S

What does the eye look like when a flash isn't used? Pallid or CHF?

Johan S

Yeah, that's the bird I'm talking about. Really interesting CHF IMO. Look at the flights and tail.

Johan S

Fantastic birds.

Johan S

Peter, why not upload a picture of the blue (misty?) CHF (was it a hen?) in the aviary next to the one where the above cock is housed? That chick showed the effect much better, esp. in the flights which are rather light.

Johan S

Maybe a deficiency in the diet during the time the feathers formed? Or possible liver problems. Or a mutation.

Johan S

The breeder that bred this bird has put Pieds into CHFs but no CHF Pieds were bred to his surprise. My questions is Why not? Depends on the pairs he made up and the amount of offspring. In SA CHF adm pieds exist. It looks like a very faded/diluted adm pied with the typical CHF eye. Personally, I th...

Johan S

Ring0Neck wrote:Here is a "What am I" of a higher difficulty. who wants a go?
The bird circled

Come now Ben, at least give us a decent picture first. Only thing I can tell is that we are limited to pink feet mutations.

Johan S

I have also sent my letter of objection. It turned into a bit of an essay. Hope they read it...

And I encourage everybody to write their own letter, esp. if you can add a personal story of how these birds influence your life and living situation.

Johan S

Check out the 2 consecutive pics i took 2 days ago of the hen or the sibling male (can't tell for sure as they look v similar) You'd think i'm showing 2 diff. birds here. I just moved 2 steps. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P3090508.JPG http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P3090509.JPG I'm betting you ...

Johan S

The grey turq edged is one of the most beautiful birds when edged is fully expressed (DF edged male, SF edged hen). Unfortunately I don't have other pics, this one was moulting. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Edged%20mutation%20in%20IRN/IMG_2258_zpsb5ede8c7.jpg Add emerald to tha...

Johan S

To ensure a guaranteed DD violet(df) is no easy feat. You will need to breed a mauve looking bird from 2x guaranteed D violet(df) parents, since I doubt that the DD violet(sf) and DD violet(df) will differ in phenotype. This is why I feel that one needs to take the violet(df) component out of the eq...

Johan S

sheyd wrote:hmm not sure on that one Molly.. Yes, I'm interested in what this season brings

That one might just stick...

Johan S

madas wrote:
Taliep wrote:Hi All

IMO the bird looks like a DF Turquoise Violet dom edge
Yeah. Or simple SL Edged Dark Turq(df).

I'm too late for the puzzle, but I would have gone with Madas. Looks like cobalt turq (possibly DF) SL edged male.

PS: Welcome to the forum, Taliep.

Johan S

Unfortunately not.

Johan S

From what I've heard young cinnamon-ino birds start out like normal ino and get some green colour later on. I'm not an expert on them, though.

Johan S

Shey, another thing to consider is that the ruby eye of the cinnamon tends to darken. I bet a few/lot? of breeders have been sitting with edged hens and thought they were cinnamon, and vice versa. I don't particularly like quoting myself... @Shey, consider again the point above, but I suppose we do...

Johan S

EDIT: I just remembered that the /emerald was not a visual CT but a /CT. old age i guess. Being in an identical cage i assumed ... ( i hate assumptions esp. when other do it) :lol: slightly more forgiving with myself :? Uhm... Yeah... In http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=...

Johan S

:lol: I was hoping you'd pick it up by the file name. we're looking at green violet CT /emerald I noticed the filename, but thought this must have been a different family of birds. Where's the green one, though? :?: If that bird paired to a violet blue/CT gave green offspring as first reported, we'...

Johan S

Ben, maybe if you share the story / background that probably came along with that pic the rest of us will be able to follow too...

Johan S

Hard to say with the flash being used, but that could be a real contender for cinnamon-opaline, yes. I've seen a picture of a violet cleartail cinnamon-opaline from England on Facebook, but can't seem to find it. Now that is an interesting bird. Edit: Here it is, thanks Ben. https://lh3.googleuserco...

Johan S

Dilute combinations tend to end up looking 95% like a dilute. In my opinion, the best combinations is with structural mutations like violet and dark factor. Luckily, opinions may differ.

Johan S

Thanks to everyone who have already signed the petition. We have hit the 150+ signatures mark. Apologies for being forward (but hey, you know me like that! :D ), but I would like many more. Imagine the social impact of this: you will not be able to purchase a ringneck chick as a pet anymore. Imagine...

Johan S

Shey, another thing to consider is that the ruby eye of the cinnamon tends to darken. I bet a few/lot? of breeders have been sitting with edged hens and thought they were cinnamon, and vice versa.

Johan S

Looks like they didn't pay for their hosting. If it isn't resolved early next week, I'll have to start a new one.

Edit: The petition website seems to be up and running again.

Johan S

Lee, you can contact the PVSA directly (details at http://www.aviculturesa.co.za/index.php/contact-us ) to enquire about their plan of action. They have been aware of this longer than me. And go sign the petition already. You, and your family. And your extended family. And friends. And neighbours. :...

Johan S

For those of you that aren't a member of the Parrot Breeder Association of Southern Africa (http://www.aviculturesa.co.za), I strongly urge you to reconsider whatever your reason was. Most people I speak to blame 'club politics', but club politics is nothing when compared to real politics. If you ar...

Johan S

Thanks Stefan, I'll have to wait for 2015 season with him. here he is: http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2069495.JPG Remarks: excellent vibrant color on him. Now that is a bird I'll gladly trade you 2x cobalt violet CHFs for. You'll have all the structural mutations you need in a CHF, and I'll have ...

Johan S

I have not been able to find any environmental impact study conducted on the topic in SA. When visiting http://www.invasives.org.za , one will find that they base the inclusion of the ban on ringnecks (look at the bottom right for "Animal Pest Alerts") on the findings of (Western) Australi...

Johan S

Nice pics, Madas!

So, what is the feeling: would the violet turqblue CHF or the violet indigoblue CHF be the better looking bird, esp. for mature male?

Johan S

, I don't think there is any question about opaline being sex-linked. Thus, the opaline mother is not relevant to the discussion of daughters, as only sons will inherit the gene. Sure thing Johan. I know the rules, rules don't stop me looking about when s-thing doesn't quiet match the expected, bes...

Johan S

Does anyone know how a combo NSL-ino Cinnamon looks like? Similar to SL-Ino Cinnamon (light green-yellow) or just like a lutino? Hi Recio, I've never seen one. Tienie and I have discussed this combination a couple of times, with the same question being asked. He has the ingredients to produce this ...

Johan S

Ring0Neck wrote:Many violet chfs were bred Johan

My apologies. I didn't know they were that common.

Johan S

Fantastic news, Mike. Best of luck for the coming season. I hope you have another good one.

Johan S

We don't have the exact bird, but have bred some violet blue CHF. So you are just shorting turquoise. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Clearhead%20fallows/IMG_1854_zps712340c3.jpg http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Clearhead%20fallows/IMG_2057_zps99f2bbb1.jpg There ...

Johan S

Thanks Johan, Tienie's edged-opaline hen was bred from a similar cock, so it further supports the premise of being linked rather than allelic. and Opaline mother? http://parakeet.me/irn/f/edge/SL%20Edged-opaline%20hen%20and%20her%20opaline%20mother.jpg Ben, I don't think there is any question about...

Johan S

Tartan ringnecks wrote:I think it is a pallidino turq grey.

I agree. Unsure about the grey, though.

Johan S

Ben, if that were true, the heterozygous edged heterozygous opaline cock would breed either edged or opaline hens. This is not the case from our breeding results with such a cock. We have produced edged, opaline and edged-opaline hens that I recall. Of course, being allelic, one wouldn't be able to ...

Johan S

John Shannon wrote:Looks like a Violet split Clearhead ??

John, the pink feet and black nails are rather curious, aren't it?

Johan S

Hi Sherjil, what you describe reminds me a lot about the orange face (autosomal recessive) and even more the pale face (incomplete dominant) mutations in the agapornis roseicollis (peach/rose faced lovebird). These are typically considered as species specific mutations, so I don't think a ringneck e...

Johan S

Ben, Johan and Stefan If you compare the tail of the opaline harlequin hen with a harlequin or opaline you will see that it is darker then both opaline and harlequin. Why ? Must admit some Ozy breeders say it isn't worth producing the combo but for my eyes it is beautiful. Tienie Excellent question...

Johan S

However, I understand that we do have a further 6 chicks from another TurquoiseEmerald Cleartail hen in Queensland (Mike Laffey) 3 of which are Turquoise and 3 of which are Emerald, no Blue or TurquoiseEmerald. I would be interested to know what the statisticians say about 7 and 6 from different mo...

Johan S

Cobalt SF/DF deep? Very nice looking bird!

Johan S

Madas, that specific greygreen opaline cock is the only one I've seen with such a large extended red region in the neck ring. Do you know of others/have pictures? I just about given up on finding more, and have considered that it is the combined effect of both grey and opaline in green series. Would...

Johan S

my breeding result proves (to circa 99% I think) that emerald has to be a par blue gene. Mike, is the above value of 99% a gut feeling, or did you attempt a statistical analysis? If the latter, perhaps you can show us the calculations of your hypothesis test? When I see a value of 99% with a sample...

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